SO what nobody is paying attention to Isreal right now?

[anarch]

What did the MSM cry wolf too many times?

http://amkon.net/palestinian-flotilla-aims-for-t27009.html

They killed folk in international waters. Going against their word to use pepper spray and mace. The flotilla had No guns and CC cams to protect themselves. Israel is going ape shit right now shooting at everything North , south, and east.

Do yall not know a perfect storm when you see one... Obama aint gonna support Israel. Especially with our problems at home. Turkey is pissed. That flotilla was multi national. And it had not even reached Israeli waters yet before the Israeli decided to open fire upon them.

It's called war. And they are now deep in it.

[egg]

Wow. I've been enjoying memorial day weekend with some friends for most of the day. I had no idea about this. Didn't know they went so far. I'm more than sorry to hear that....

[Chorlton]

I think you need to look at this laterally. The Governments are watching what Israel does very closely, and they are going to allow sacrificial lambs if it helps build a case against Israel.
Israel is slowly closing the doors to International support and is getting itself deeper and deeper in the shit.

I suggest that many Governments are going to wait untill they, Israel, sink deep enough and when they hold out a hand for help they arent going to get it unless some pretty serious concessions are made to the Palestinians.
Slowlee slowlee catchee monkee

[egg]

I think you need to look at this laterally. The Governments are watching what Israel does very closely, and they are going to allow sacrificial lambs if it helps build a case against Israel.
Israel is slowly closing the doors to International support and is getting itself deeper and deeper in the shit.

I suggest that many Governments are going to wait untill they, Israel, sink deep enough and when they hold out a hand for help they arent going to get it unless some pretty serious concessions are made to the Palestinians.
Slowlee slowlee catchee monkee

Good theory. I'm just surprised that Israel's response to this was so ridiculously drastic.

[Royal]

I think you need to look at this laterally. The Governments are watching what Israel does very closely, and they are going to allow sacrificial lambs if it helps build a case against Israel.
Israel is slowly closing the doors to International support and is getting itself deeper and deeper in the shit.

I suggest that many Governments are going to wait untill they, Israel, sink deep enough and when they hold out a hand for help they arent going to get it unless some pretty serious concessions are made to the Palestinians.
Slowlee slowlee catchee monkee

Good theory.

[Cogburn]

The only people brave enough to fuck with the Turks in the past 100 years have been the Greeks, and they ain't up to doing anything right now.

Not even Hitler screwed with Turkey.

Those zionist fools.

[Royal]

The only people brave enough to fuck with the Turks in the past 100 years have been the Greeks, and they ain't up to doing anything right now.

Not even Hitler screwed with Turkey.

Those zionist fools.

lol.

[Chorlton]

The only people brave enough to fuck with the Turks in the past 100 years have been the Greeks, and they ain't up to doing anything right now.

Not even Hitler screwed with Turkey.

Those zionist fools.

But we aint going to let them into the EU though

[Cogburn]

But we aint going to let them into the EU though
Last I checked, no one wanted to be in the EU but Poland.

[Lexion]

Last I checked, no one wanted to be in the EU but Poland.

zing

[Trauma Teased]

Last I checked, no one wanted to be in the EU but Poland.

I think you may be right about that. Thankfully Norway never joined EU in the first place.

Independence for the win!

:viking:

[Trauma Teased]

The Governments are watching what Israel does very closely, and they are going to allow if it helps build a case against Israel.


Norwegian press reports 16 sacrificial lambs and 30 more injured.

And Benjamin Netanyahu has cancelled a planned meeting with Obama in the White House tomorrow.

Oh yes, this is going to turn out well for Israel, I'm sure.

[MrPenny]

The "axis of evil" has become a quartet.

[MissA]

Turkey is one of my favorite countries because they are very independent from other Muslim nations and don't follow the order of "Islam-dom". The people are warm and welcoming. They have kept to themselves for a long, long time.

This is terrible news.

[Chorlton]

Last I checked, no one wanted to be in the EU but Poland.

Well the US does but as they you spell defence or colour we wont let you.

[Chorlton]

I think you may be right about that. Thankfully Norway never joined EU in the first place.

Independence for the win!

:viking:

But all you have to offer is Fish and puffer jackets !

[Chorlton]

Turkey is one of my favorite countries because they are very independent from other Muslim nations and don't follow the order of "Islam-dom". The people are warm and welcoming. They have kept to themselves for a long, long time.

This is terrible news.

Thats all except the ones who grab and rape the Eu girls, oh and the Militant extremeist PM who wants an Islamic state and Oh yes the Turkish army who are slaughtering and torturing and raping the Kurds and oh yes their Death penalty?

Is it THAT Turkey you mean?

[MissA]

Thats all except the ones who grab and rape the Eu girls, oh and the Militant extremeist PM who wants an Islamic state and Oh yes the Turkish army who are slaughtering and torturing and raping the Kurds and oh yes their Death penalty?

Is it THAT Turkey you mean?

Yes, the one where all Turks rape everyone and the extremist PM that is a replica of the Saudi Royal family. Yes, that one.

Thanks for trolling and hugs to you.

[Chorlton]

Yes, the one where all Turks rape everyone and the extremist PM that is a replica of the Saudi Royal family. Yes, that one.

Thanks for trolling and hugs to you.

It wasnt a Troll at all. There are now many resorts in Turkey where Single girls dont go because of the chances of being groped or raped by Turks and its pointless complaining to the police. (sister Edwina has just booked her ticket)

The PM has called for an Islamic state on several occasions but has been roped back by the moderates who know if Turkey goes fully Islamic theyll never get into the EU, Not that the bastards have much chance anyway.

[MrPenny]

I don't know much about Turkey......I just like what they've done with their bird.

[Chorlton]

They put a Burqa on it

[MrPenny]

What's that? Some kind of gravy?

[Chorlton]

Yep, with stuffing

[Cogburn]

Netanyahu cancels visit w/ Obama for tomorrow.

UN Security Council in emergency session right now.

Delicious.

[Chorlton]

And someone called an Emergency Nato meeting
What Israel did was technically Piracy.

[MissA]

I have doubts that anything will happen at all besides a few feet stomping angrily.

[MissA]

This is the sort of political bullshit that I hate:


White House Spokesman Bill Burton said the United States "deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy," while the British Foreign Office said it was seeking "urgent clarification" of the incident.http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/israel.gaza.raid.reaction/

Working to understand? Firing on humanitarian aid is a huge no-no. It is a generally accepted precedent that humanitarian and relief aid should be exempt from politics and treated with respect.

[Cogburn]

It's like reading a pre-WWI timeline.

All we need is a popular world leader and his wife to be assassinated.

[Lexion]

All we need is a popular world leader and his wife to be assassinated.

Goodbye Michelle.

(you read it here, folks)

[MissA]

I have considered this, that someone would try and take him out. It worries me because of what will happen in that event.

[Cogburn]

I have considered this, that someone would try and take him out. It worries me because of what will happen in that event.

The Koreas looking for an excuse to start shooting.

Turkey would love a reason to re-invade Cyprus and get away with it and a war in the Mediterranean would suit that nicely. Greece can fight back with crumpled IOUs.

Name an arab nation that wouldn't want to see Israel wiped off the map.

... and nothing helps a faltering economy like a good war.

[MissA]

The Koreas looking for an excuse to start shooting.

Turkey would love a reason to re-invade Cyprus and get away with it and a war in the Mediterranean would suit that nicely. Greece can fight back with crumpled IOUs.

Name an arab nation that wouldn't want to see Israel wiped off the map.

... and nothing helps a faltering economy like a good war.

I don't see how the US could take Israel's side on this one so they will leap to broker peace because they will not turn their back on that country.

I do not foresee this escalating for that reason. It will stay on course with the same bloody stagnation as it has been since the 2000 intifada began.

[Snow Crash]

I am shocked you guys haven't been accused of being anti-semites/Nazis by BE (or in Cog's case a Self Hating Jew).... oh wait, Anarch has him on ignore... delicious....

But yeah... proves what people have been saying all along. Israel is a terrorist state.

[Snow Crash]

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed regret after at least nine people died when troops stormed ships trying to break the Gaza blockade.

But he said soldiers had been defending themselves after they were "clubbed, beaten and stabbed".

Pro-Palestinian campaigners say the soldiers opened fire unprovoked when they landed on the aid-carrying ships.

There has been international condemnation of the loss of life, and the UN is holding an emergency session.

As the meeting of the UN Security Council got under way in New York, diplomats said the draft text of a resolution called for condemnation of the operation, the immediate release of the impounded ships and for an international inquiry.

Mr Netanyahu cut short a visit to Canada to deal with the growing crisis and cancelled a scheduled meeting in Washington with US President Barack Obama on Tuesday.

Israel imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip after the Islamist movement Hamas took power there in 2007.

The six-ship convoy had set out to carry 10,000 tonnes of aid from Cyprus to Gaza, despite repeated Israeli warnings that it would not be allowed to reach the territory.

In a statement, Mr Netanyahu defended the Israeli operation, saying troops were attacked when they landed on the largest of the six ships in the flotilla.

"They were mobbed. They were clubbed, they were beaten, stabbed," he said.

"There was even a report of gunfire and our soldiers had to defend themselves, defend their lives or they would have been killed.

"Regrettably, in this exchange... people died. We regret this loss of life. We regret any of the violence."

View challenged

Organisers of the convoy have strongly denied the Israeli account.
Contact with activists on the ships was lost after the raids and no first-hand accounts from them have yet emerged.

Arafat Shoukri, of the Free Gaza Movement (FGM) which helped organise the convoy, said those on board one ship had told them by telephone that Israeli helicopters had arrived.

"Then we started to hear screams, shouting, shooting everywhere," he said. "We heard some of them shouting 'We are raising the white flag, stop shooting at us'."

He said Israeli claims that activists had pistols and other weapons were "cheap propaganda".

Audrey Bomse, also of the FGM, told the BBC that the activists were "not going to pose any violent resistance".

The flotilla left the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and had been due to arrive in Gaza on Monday.

Reports say troops boarded the ship about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea in international waters.

Organisers of the flotilla said at least 30 people were wounded in the incident. Israel says 10 of its soldiers were injured, one seriously.

There has been widespread condemnation of the violence, with several countries summoning their Israeli ambassadors.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon said he was "shocked" and called for a "full investigation" into what happened.

The White House said the US "deeply regrets the loss of life" and was "currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy".

There was a particularly strong response from Turkey, where many of the activists on the ships are from.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of state terrorism and violation of international law.

In Istanbul, thousands of protesters took part in an angry demonstration against Israel.

Turkey was Israel's closest Muslim ally but relations have deteriorated in recent years.

Greece has withdrawn from joint military exercises with Israel in protest at the raid on the flotilla.

The office of French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he condemned "the disproportionate use of force", while UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said there was "a clear need for Israel to act with restraint and in line with international obligations".

Israel has escorted the ships to the port of Ashdod and says it will deport the passengers from there.

Israel says it allows about 15,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.

But the UN says this is less than a quarter of what is needed.

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10199480.stm)

Oh yeah, I am really sure Netanyahu regrets this act of terrorism. If anyone belives that, I have a tower in Paris to sell them...

[MissA]

I am shocked you guys haven't been accused of being anti-semites/Nazis by BE (or in Cog's case a Self Hating Jew).... oh wait, Anarch has him on ignore... delicious....

But yeah... proves what people have been saying all along. Israel is a terrorist state.

There is certainly a self-destructive quality to their actions the past decade.

[Chorlton]

Goodbye Michelle.

(you read it here, folks)

Actually during the 6 months before Oldbama was elected, I said on RU, " I bet someone somewhere is aligning their sights and polishing their bullets for the time he gets elected" or something along those lines.
I'm amazed he's lasted this long. But theres time yet.

[Royal]

Stealth Bump

[anarch]

I thought this was mildly amusing for it's absolute bullshit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians


A soldier identified only as a sergeant told reporters at a military briefing that the activists on board "were armed with knives, scissors, pepper spray and guns." He said he was armed only with a paintball rifle. "It was a civilian paintball gun that any 12-year-old can play with," he said. "I saw my friends on the deck spitting blood."


Some how despite only being armed with "paintball" guns the IDF managed to kill about 15 of those flotilla folk. ....Maybe they should stop selling those lethal paint ball guns to 12 year olds.

[Chorlton]

The fact is it doesnt matter what they were armed with. The ships were in international waters and were boarded by aggressive forces. Those people on the ship had a right to defend themselves and the aggressors had not right to even attempt to board the ship in International waters

A similar analogy was seen last year when police busted into someones house. In Court it was reported that the accused had many weapons on and around his person.
It had to be pointed out to the police that it wasnt an offenmce at all to surround yourself with hammers knifes sticks, bows and arrows and even air guns in your own home.

[mojo]

The fact is it doesnt matter what they were armed with. The ships were in international waters and were boarded by aggressive forces. Those people on the ship had a right to defend themselves and the aggressors had not right to even attempt to board the ship in International waters



QFT.

[anarch]

indeed... and it makes the isreali and their disregard for maritime law no more better than somali pirates.

[Royal]

Middle East is figuring out right now how to wipe out israel.


THIS YEAR COULD BE THE END OF ISRAEL.

Can anyone say "finalllllllly"

[Chorlton]

Middle East is figuring out right now how to wipe out israel.
THIS YEAR COULD BE THE END OF ISRAEL.
Can anyone say "finalllllllly"

Oh no it wont.
Not untill the Yanks base Embassy in Iraq is totally finished and armed.

[anarch]

Oh no it wont.
Not untill the Yanks base Embassy in Iraq is totally finished and armed.


what chu talking bout willus... that thing is finished and Armed..Truth be told we have our foot hold there now so that means our alliance with isreal is now redundant.

[Chorlton]

what chu talking bout willus... that thing is finished and Armed..Truth be told we have our foot hold there now so that means our alliance with isreal is now redundant.

I could tell you more. But then I'd have to shoot you.
It aint finished yet. At least the secret bits aint. Nor the tunnels.

[Royal]

I could tell you more. But then I'd have to shoot you.
It aint finished yet. At least the secret bits aint. Nor the tunnels.


Tunnels were finished in 2008.

Your intel sucks.


Stealth Fuck you.

[anarch]

mmmm ... I guess I could be wrong... I was under the impression that base / embassy was done.

[anarch]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians_77

New boats headed to Gaza to challenge blockade



JERUSALEM – Organizers of the Gaza aid flotilla that was the target of a deadly Israeli naval raid say they're sending two more ships to the area within the next few days.
Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement says a cargo boat is already on the way to challenge Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. She says a second boat carrying about three dozen passengers is expected to join it.
Meanwhile, criticism inside Israel was spreading Tuesday about the botched raid, which killed at least nine activists.
Israeli officials say about 50 of the 671 activists aboard the flotilla have been taken to Israel's international airport for deportation. They say others have refused to identify themselves and will remain in detention.


And as for the other 621???? Only God knows. Those peace activists sure are some aggressive non violent fucks gotta give em props for their refusal to be intimidated.

[Royal]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians_77

New boats headed to Gaza to challenge blockade



JERUSALEM – Organizers of the Gaza aid flotilla that was the target of a deadly Israeli naval raid say they're sending two more ships to the area within the next few days.
Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement says a cargo boat is already on the way to challenge Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. She says a second boat carrying about three dozen passengers is expected to join it.
Meanwhile, criticism inside Israel was spreading Tuesday about the botched raid, which killed at least nine activists.
Israeli officials say about 50 of the 671 activists aboard the flotilla have been taken to Israel's international airport for deportation. They say others have refused to identify themselves and will remain in detention.


And as for the other 621???? Only God knows. Those peace activists sure are some aggressive non violent fucks gotta give em props for their refusal to be intimidated.

STFU. Mossad is listening to this board.



shhSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH listen.



SHHHH.

[anarch]

Oh wow!

Egypt opens crossing with Gaza to allow humanitarian aid



http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article443699.ece

[hp]

Here is someone's on another forum look into the laws


Here's the limits of my knowledge on the subject. I hope someone with actual experience and information can help.

This all assumes, purely for the sake of argument, that the blocade of Gaza is itself legal.

The primary source of law is the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994, which is in effect a restatement or summary of customary international law.

The Manuel is here:

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082...25641f002d49ce (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce)

The important provisions are sections 146 and 67, which state as follows:



146. Neutral merchant vessels are subject to capture outside neutral waters if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67 or if it is determined as a result of visit and search or by other means, that they:
...

(f) are breaching or attempting to breach a blockade. and



67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture; "Neutral waters" are defined here:



14. Neutral waters consist of the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States. Neutral airspace consists of the airspace over neutral waters and the land territory of neutral States.
All of this tends to show that the attack was legitimate ("attack" here means any sort of interference with the ships running the blocade). The fact that the ships were in "international waters" is irrelevant. The relevant fact is that the ships were not in "neutral waters".

On the other hand, the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 states as follows:

http://www.un.org/Depts/los/conventi...clos/part7.htm (http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm)



Article110

Right of visit

1. Except where acts of interference derive from powers conferred by treaty, a warship which encounters on the high seas a foreign ship, other than a ship entitled to complete immunity in accordance with articles 95 and 96, is not justified in boarding it unless there is reasonable ground for suspecting that:

(a) the ship is engaged in piracy;

(b) the ship is engaged in the slave trade;

(c) the ship is engaged in unauthorized broadcasting and the flag State of the warship has jurisdiction under article 109;

(d) the ship is without nationality; or

(e) though flying a foreign flag or refusing to show its flag, the ship is, in reality, of the same nationality as the warship.

2. In the cases provided for in paragraph 1, the warship may proceed to verify the ship's right to fly its flag. To this end, it may send a boat under the command of an officer to the suspected ship. If suspicion remains after the documents have been checked, it may proceed to a further examination on board the ship, which must be carried out with all possible consideration.

3. If the suspicions prove to be unfounded, and provided that the ship boarded has not committed any act justifying them, it shall be compensated for any loss or damage that may have been sustained.

4. These provisions apply mutatis mutandis to military aircraft.

5. These provisions also apply to any other duly authorized ships or aircraft clearly marked and identifiable as being on government service.
Under these provisions, the important fact is that the ships were in "international waters". I believe that this is the source of the statements that the Israeli action was "illegal". However, Israel is not a signatory to the Convention (neither, curiously, is the US). Not being a signatory to the treaty, it is not binding on them.

At least, that appears to be the situation. I'm no expert - I merely looked into the matter on my own. Can anyone provide a more fulsome analysis?


Seems we are back to who has the biggest stick and wins plus what the world things and does.

[MissA]

There are also humanitarian laws to consider

http://www.icrc.org/eng/ihl

Were these merchant vessels or were they humanitarian aid vessels? Were this the Red Cross does anyone believe it would have been fired upon?

[MissA]

From the above link (Geneva Convention)


Common Article 3


http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions/$File/art3.jpg


Article 3 (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/365-570006), common to the four Geneva Conventions, marked a breakthrough, as it covered, for the first time, situations of non-international armed conflicts. These types of conflicts vary greatly. They include traditional civil wars, internal armed conflicts that spill over into other States or internal conflicts in which third States or a multinational force intervenes alongside the government. Common Article 3 establishes fundamental rules from which no derogation is permitted. It is like a mini-Convention within the Conventions as it contains the essential rules of the Geneva Conventions in a condensed format and makes them applicable to conflicts not of an international character:

It requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands, without any adverse distinction. It specifically prohibits murder, mutilation, torture, cruel, humiliating and degrading treatment, the taking of hostages and unfair trial.



It requires that the wounded, sick and shipwrecked be collected and cared for.



It grants the ICRC the right to offer its services to the parties to the conflict.



It calls on the parties to the conflict to bring all or parts of the Geneva Conventions into force through so-called special agreements.



It recognizes that the application of these rules does not affect the legal status of the parties to the conflict.

Given that most armed conflicts today are non-international, applying Common Article 3 is of the utmost importance. Its full respect is required.


Does anyone know where the Red Cross is in all of this?

[hp]

The red cross is delivering aid to the Taliban. They will get around to this one later.