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Cogburn
03-07-2010, 03:54 AM
Had this pop into the inbox today, not from the original sender but as a pass-a-long.

I've seen it on a few other sites, so I'm wondering what the legitimacy of this is.

Let's see how sharp your investigative skills are.

Is there any possibility of identifying a possible author?

GO!

:)

For those who do not know......

Joe Stack was the guy who flew a airplane into the IRS building in Austin,Texas.

And John Bedell was the guy who shot a guard at the Pentagon.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/pentagon-shooter-dead-cops-hospital/story?id=10017089

John Bedell and Joe Stack were not terrorist, they were good friends of mine. In 1996, we met at an embedded systems conference in Sacramento. I do not feel like typing out all the details, but we hit it off right from the beginning. We begin analysing networks together and by 2002, Joe and I were able to penetrate just about any network connected to the Internet. The correspondence between John, Joe, and I eventually came to a halt, but in February, 2007 I get a call from Joe telling me that we needed to talk in person. I met with him and he spilled his guts to me. He told me about all the unlawful and clandestine operations our government was involved with and also informed me of the level of corruption that has manifested itself in capitol hill. He suggested that we find out what was going on by infiltrating the CIA's as well as the NSA's networks. I was really hesitant about it, but Joe told me that John was on board and pointed me to this website and a couple of others as a nudge of encouragement. My wife had recently passed and I really felt like I had nothing to lose, so the day after his proposal, and after countless hours of pouring over conspiracy theories, I accepted. It was not because my moral standards were as high as Joe's, but more that my wife's death had take a tremendous toll on me, and I went into it for the thrill (it kept my mind preoccupied and off my wife). That was the last time I saw Joe face to face. I did not see John face to face throughout the entire operation, but we communicated through digital mediums.

Joe was the lead man. He orchestrated the entire event, and delegated tasks to people. I am a mathematics professor with a focus in cryptology, so Joe put me in charge of cryptography. I set up secure lines of communication and ran crypt-analysis on ciphered keys John sniffed off the networks. John was in charge of pen testing. If you are going to get caught, it will be during pen testing, since this the most intrusive part of the entire process. It had been years since we had worked together as a team, and Joe and John were not up to date on the latest network and software security practices. We started on private networks and worked our way up to large corporations. By 2009 we were prepared to undertake the task at hand.

Joe kept things compartmentalised during the operation. We were given information on a need to know basis. I do not know what methods Joe used to attack what networks, or even what files he was after, I was only given cipher-texts and expected to return the clear-text. John was in charge of anti-forensics and clean-up. But, I knew something went wrong when Joe called me. I immediately knew right off the bat that something was amiss, when I heard John in the background. That was our number one rule: no face-to-face contact. His first words, "It's way bigger than anybody could have ever dreamed. Look at today's date. Listen to the audio-file I just sent you and then look at the time-stamp and at today's date again". I honestly thought I was busted. I thought it was a government agent trying to be funny. The date was February 15, and, I will not ever forget this, the audio file was last modified about an hour before I listened to it. The clip was of the end of a hockey game and as the commentator wrapped things up, he said something along the lines of "Thrasers: 7, Kings: 6. Thanks for listening to us on this Monday night". At first I didn't understand. I didn't even have a clue as to what was going on until Joe sent me more of the archives which had every digital video, and audio, broadcasts for events that were supposed to happen tomorrow, but had not happened yet. Confirmation finally came that this was not just some sort of hoax database kept for fun, when we tuned into the Thrashers-Kings game and the final score was Thrashers: 7, Kings: 6.
After brainstorming and researching for days, they finally discovered the database was being written to via satellite. And from there things clicked into place. The NSA is able to see approximately 27 hours 42 minutes and 33 seconds into the future of the world. This is done through a satellite. The satellite is able to take images of earth, a selected number of video and audio broadcasts (the majority of it is news) routed to the satellite by communications on the ground up, to roughly 27 hours before it happens. As every second goes by it is slowly gaining the ability to see further into the future. I'm not going to expand any further here, but to say the satellite is able to do this because of a flaw in the way the Lorentz transformations were derived.

This is my insurance. They have already kill Joe and John, and in such a way that they made them out to be monsters to the public. They will not do this to me. This is the way it works. If they kill me, abduct me or anything, all evidence including the properly derived Lorrentz transformations are to be automatically posted here. I must be present at my computer at 5:29 a.m. (my timezone) everyday in order to keep this posts from happening because 174 servers spanning the globe are set to ensure that happens automatically unless my password is entered. If the government tries to take this site out or this page, I have created a virus that will spread on a massive scale and automatically upload all the evidence I have against them to the victims PC, so at the very least thousands will know the truth but most likely millions. My password cannot be cracked. It would take longer to crack an 8096 bit RSA encryption key, than my self-made encryption system. My initials are T.S.G. and I am a Mathematics professor. This shall ensure if they kill me and try to slander my name in the media, there will be at least a few people who know the truth I'm not telling everything here because then they would kill me. It's the only bargaining chip I have left.

KIWI
03-07-2010, 04:32 AM
27 hours 42 minutes and 33 seconds into the future of the world

thats the length of Bruce Cathies "grid" day

KIWI
03-07-2010, 04:43 AM
and I spammed a link to this thread through f-book :)

Cogburn
03-07-2010, 06:25 AM
thats the length of Bruce Cathies "grid" day

What the fuck....

No way. That's beyond coincidence.

See if you can get the man to comment on it.

hp
03-07-2010, 09:47 AM
Bogus.

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 09:56 AM
Sounds made up out of whole cloth. But the Bruce Cathy allusion is astounding.

hp
03-07-2010, 09:58 AM
Investigators were trying to unravel a bizarre series of Internet postings that suggested Bedell was fascinated with conspiracy theories, computer programming, libertarian economics and the science of warfare.


Curiously, Bedell also proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his own research on smart weapons. The 28-page proposal outlined his idea for DNA nanotechnology research that might "provide significant new capabilities for the Department of Defense and the individual warfighter."


That document is the first tangible link to surface connecting Bedell and the Pentagon.

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 10:03 AM
Bruce will not be happy with this.

hp
03-07-2010, 10:03 AM
Protect yourself by being anonymous to the world. Get wacked and no one knows until the next anonymous guy claims to know the story.

Looks like the typical internet story.

Hazelnut
03-07-2010, 10:17 AM
IF the guy oversleeps, the cat will be out of the bag.

Not buying it.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 10:32 AM
No way. That's beyond coincidence.

How so....that "grid day" is all over the Internet. And if someone were trying to author a spooky spy scenario....why not throw that McGuffin into the pot?

hp
03-07-2010, 10:37 AM
How so....that "grid day" is all over the Internet. And if someone were trying to author a spooky spy scenario....why not throw that McGuffin into the pot?
Exactly, it is seen often. Use it as a evidence when in fact it doesn't actually tie.

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 10:42 AM
CT conflation at its best.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 11:32 AM
CT conflation at its best.

Precisely, it is a classic example of pulling random shit together to create whatever fits the author's goals.

I wonder if Zorgon wrote that shit......that's right up his alley.

Snow Crash
03-07-2010, 02:29 PM
Well that was an entertaining waste of time.

Cogburn
03-07-2010, 03:42 PM
How so....that "grid day" is all over the Internet. And if someone were trying to author a spooky spy scenario....why not throw that McGuffin into the pot?

Ummm.. that was a possibility that wasn't ever discounted.

I said it was "beyond coincidence," but I didn't try to interpret how.

KIWI
03-07-2010, 04:06 PM
Protect yourself by being anonymous to the world. Get wacked and no one knows until the next anonymous guy claims to know the story.

Looks like the typical internet story.


errr,...yeah, with your proven ties to NASA HP Im a bit suspicious of your quick defence here :)

hp
03-07-2010, 04:12 PM
errr,...yeah, with your proven ties to NASA HP Im a bit suspicious of your quick defence here :)
Did you mean NSA or actually NASA?

KIWI
03-07-2010, 04:12 PM
and did ya hear?... there's a concert on the far-side of the moon this week-end, ....tickets 250.00USD per head, all enquiries to "kiwi-needs-the-money".com .... cash only, no cheques!

hp
03-07-2010, 04:14 PM
Bummer, before those Kiwi scalpers got all the tickets, they were only 125.

KIWI
03-07-2010, 04:23 PM
...... giving a leg up to the proponents of "inflation-theory" :)

that price aint that bad!.... all the green-cheese you can eat at the interval..


Did you mean NSA or actually NASA?

he he... you tell us! ( puts suspicious look on face)

hp
03-07-2010, 04:28 PM
For a quarter million I assume transportation is included.

KIWI
03-07-2010, 04:52 PM
indeed,.... transport supplied by 'Space-Pigeons inc" .... get in early for a window seat :)

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 05:38 PM
I said it was "beyond coincidence," but I didn't try to interpret how.

Interpret? I thought you did with "No way." Sorry, but I thought your comments were foreshadowing the possibility of some bizarre synchronicity. If "beyond coincidence" implies some kind of continuum, with mundane, everyday shit on one end....and hand-of-god lightning bolt on the other.....the choice of words seemed odd to me.

I thought it was on the mundane, everyday shit end. Some dude yanked some obscure metaphysical measurement from the Internet to add to the "gee whiz" factor.

Other than that.....that's the kind of article that regularly is held in extremely high esteem at places like ATS.

Star and Flag for You!!!!!:D

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 05:40 PM
indeed,.... transport supplied by 'Space-Pigeons inc" .... get in early for a window seat :)

Where's the window on a pigeon?

KIWI
03-07-2010, 05:40 PM
Where's the window on a pigeon?


under the tail feathers.... you keen? :)

hp
03-07-2010, 05:43 PM
Star and Flag for You

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*..........

Cogburn
03-07-2010, 05:48 PM
Interpret? I thought you did with "No way." Sorry, but I thought your comments were foreshadowing the possibility of some bizarre synchronicity. If "beyond coincidence" implies some kind of continuum, with mundane, everyday shit on one end....and hand-of-god lightning bolt on the other.....the choice of words seemed odd to me.

I thought it was on the mundane, everyday shit end. Some dude yanked some obscure metaphysical measurement from the Internet to add to the "gee whiz" factor.

Other than that.....that's the kind of article that regularly is held in extremely high esteem at places like ATS.

Cathie's comments would be important because it would go to show how well the person that drafted that letter understands the theories. Was it just random or was it actually by intent?

If you actually read my OP, this is towards discovering who wrote this letter or at least where it originated. The inclusion and successful incorporation of Cathie's theories might be a rather significant clue as to who the culprit might be when placed in context with other information.

Yeah, I guess you could read those comments that way if this were ATS... except it's not.

Maybe you should stop going there so your mind doesn't only work in one direction.

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 06:00 PM
some obscure metaphysical measurementdon't let the flightless bird with hairy feathers see that or you'll end up with an arcane wall of type to contend with.

KIWI
03-07-2010, 06:03 PM
BOO!!

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 06:04 PM
boo? that ain't no steeenking wall 'o type.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 06:13 PM
2.9 million results when googling Bruce Cathie. It isn't particularly obscure to anyone who follows the UFO meme with any intensity. That would increase the size of the potential author pool significantly.

For what it's worth.....I think the text was written by someone who put either a significant amount of time into it.....or hit an extremely unlikely streak of coincidences.

The initials, T.S.G.....aka, The Smoking Gun? Or, more odd, Topic Study Groups? Very much associated with mathematics?

My initial intuition is that there is no single author of the text. For some reason I'm leaning towards a consortium of sorts.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 06:15 PM
the flightless bird with hairy feathers

What's an apteryx have to do with it?

Ha.....I am a huge Johnny Hart fan.

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 06:18 PM
I happen to own FEMA's entire hoard of Cathie books. I use them for heating my shack in the winter. A certain flightless hairy bird is aware of this and he's very pissed. I could say more but I'm sworn to secrecy. Thank you.

Cogburn
03-07-2010, 06:26 PM
2.9 million results when googling Bruce Cathie. It isn't particularly obscure to anyone who follows the UFO meme with any intensity. That would increase the size of the potential author pool significantly.

For what it's worth.....I think the text was written by someone who put either a significant amount of time into it.....or hit an extremely unlikely streak of coincidences.

The initials, T.S.G.....aka, The Smoking Gun? Or, more odd, Topic Study Groups? Very much associated with mathematics?

My initial intuition is that there is no single author of the text. For some reason I'm leaning towards a consortium of sorts.
Well, argument by Google... you must be right.

C'mon dude. It's not a matter of being able to find the guy's name, it's being familiar with it, and mainstream conspiracy theory, to hone in on something like that and successfully incorporate it into a hoax.

I mean, if he were going to go on something that was prolifically available via Google search, why not just tie it into David Icke, Nikola Tesla, or Richard Hoagland's crazy math?

You're being dismissive of the fact without good cause.

hp
03-07-2010, 06:39 PM
Is anyone else promoting that the NSA can see into the future?

hp
03-07-2010, 06:42 PM
Anyway, if this were true then the intelligence community is very flawed or corrupt. Even with 24 hour notice they still can't stop events, or so it seems.

I suppose many will claim they are stopping hundreds of attacks a week but no one realizes it.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 06:48 PM
For fuck's sake Cogburn....I adjusted my approach......maybe taking the stick out of your ass would be a good adjustment?

That was nothing like an "argument by Google." It was an argument of scale. Thowing it aside with, "why not just tie it into David Icke, Nikola Tesla, or Richard Hoagland's crazy math?", is in fact, being "dismissive of the fact." The fact being the ease at which anyone who follows this stuff could pluck any random friggin set of numbers to bolster a story. You're right in a way....why not something from hyperdimensional physics? Who the fuck knows? The point I was trying to make is, that choice of "esoteric" knowledge isn't a particularly important piece of the puzzle.

It isn't obscure enough.

It appears the text first started as a post on GLP....since then, the membership there has gone bonkers accusing moderators of hiding the original post and screwing around with the time stamps.


to hone in on something like that and successfully incorporate it into a hoax.

Say what? This isn't the friggin' Manhattan Project. You, me, and a pile of other people know, there isn't anything special about this kind of shit. An Internet connection, time, and some creativity is all it takes.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 06:50 PM
Is anyone else promoting that the NSA can see into the future?

If they could, they would have had 27 hours + to cut "T.S.G." off at the pass.

hp
03-07-2010, 07:23 PM
If they could, they would have had 27 hours + to cut "T.S.G." off at the pass.
I was wondering if another CT man was promoting the future vision. If not, the author used would be logically, the only one.

Guess the guy got it done and out with the 27 hours window.

MrPenny
03-07-2010, 07:32 PM
All of this may just be wool gathering too. I think forums and such are perfect laboratories for studying and tracking the injections of memes and "hot topics" into a culture.

You can't discount the possibility that this is an intentional study in network dynamics.

boycotteverything
03-07-2010, 07:40 PM
Absolutely- OM, ATS and GLP are perfect examples of that petri dish approach.

bitdrops
03-07-2010, 08:24 PM
So what about the Lorentz Transformation?


I'm not going to expand any further here, but to say the satellite is able to do this because of a flaw in the way the Lorentz transformations were derived.

This is my insurance. They have already kill Joe and John, and in such a way that they made them out to be monsters to the public. They will not do this to me. This is the way it works. If they kill me, abduct me or anything, all evidence including the properly derived Lorrentz transformations are to be automatically posted here.

What could be wrong with the derivation? That would be Einstein's derivation, i guess. If i understand wikipedia correctly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation#Derivation), the speciality of Einstein's derivation is that speed of light is invariant.


However, this is not necessarily the starting point: indeed ... what is really at stake is the locality of interactions: one supposes that the influence that one particle, say, exerts on another can not be transmitted instantaneously. Hence, there exists a theoretical maximal speed of information transmission which must be invariant, and it turns out that this speed coincides with the speed of light in vacuum. The need for locality in physical theories was already noted by Newton ..., who considered the notion of an action at a distance "philosophically absurd" and believed that gravity must be transmitted by an agent (interstellar aether) which obeys certain physical laws.

So those bastards manipulate the speed of light in vacuum? :D

Cogburn
03-07-2010, 08:36 PM
I was wondering if another CT man was promoting the future vision. If not, the author used would be logically, the only one.

Guess the guy got it done and out with the 27 hours window.

You mean something like Project Looking Glass?

This is the first I've seen of someone attempting to connect Cathie's theories to some sort of conspiracy regarding "remote viewing" or "fortune telling" or whatever you want to call it.

Again, that is why I feel the information is important to identifying a potential author.

Cogburn
03-07-2010, 08:37 PM
All of this may just be wool gathering too. I think forums and such are perfect laboratories for studying and tracking the injections of memes and "hot topics" into a culture.

You can't discount the possibility that this is an intentional study in network dynamics.

Good point.

Hazelnut
03-07-2010, 08:38 PM
For context


The negative outcome of the Michaelson-Morely experiment left the whole concept of aether without a reason to exist. Worse still, it created the perplexing situation that light evidently behaved like a wave, yet without any detectable medium through which wave activity might propagate.and clarity


Lorentz transformations

If http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/8/f/48fefce592fdd80866caffb846a657bb.png is negative, then we set http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/9/e/19e95496429ff827f0774d4d7ea73d32.png which becomes the invariant speed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invariant_speed), the speed of light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light) in vacuum. This yields http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/1/c/a1c809e47e0b5b895daa2dcf2adb089a.png and thus we get special relativity with Lorentz transformation
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/c/9/1c930c402b2864992fa4062192bb552c.png where the speed of light is a finite universal constant determining the highest possible relative velocity between inertial frames.
for future reference

KIWI
03-07-2010, 09:41 PM
where the speed of light is a finite universal constant

... nah

bitdrops
03-13-2010, 05:13 PM
And? Any news on this?

KIWI
03-13-2010, 07:01 PM
And? Any news on this?

err.... been a while BD,..... I believe the speed of light and gravity are intrinsically tied, manipulating one has a direct effect on the other,....micro lensing serves to show that there is a real and present relationship between the two

the above is not definitive proof .... it will take some time to dig out all relevant theories..... which are buried in my maze somewhere, but if you want to get into it ... why not :)

hp
03-13-2010, 07:07 PM
i haven't found much of anything more on the topic.

KIWI
03-13-2010, 07:11 PM
regarding my comments above HP?

hp
03-13-2010, 11:03 PM
Mainly about the OP.

I know this sounds out there but keeping in CT forum spirit...

What if titor's time line errors are true and on our line:

That the Waco events are really CT - tech - information types doing these type of attacks against the government? A way to make people look closer and flush out intentions of those in control.

KIWI
03-13-2010, 11:07 PM
well thats a point :) ...... watch your in-box, might be a job offer coming your way

hp
03-13-2010, 11:13 PM
I am wondering if we will ever have 'the story' break on the internet. Either things are much more mundane than people want to think or secrets truly are guarded very closely.

KIWI
03-13-2010, 11:15 PM
making preperations now ..... the time is near (or has it been?)

:popcorn:

lala
03-15-2011, 04:48 PM
What the fuck....

No way. That's beyond coincidence.

See if you can get the man to comment on it.

I just sent it to Bruce and ask for his opinion on it ??? Plus gave him a link to the page . . . so we'll have to wait and see if he interested . . . will post if I get a reply . . . :p

Martian Exile
03-15-2011, 06:31 PM
err.... been a while BD,..... I believe the speed of light and gravity are intrinsically tied, manipulating one has a direct effect on the other,....micro lensing serves to show that there is a real and present relationship between the two

My Martian interplanetary zipulator is powered by a solid state cold fusion reactor driving an anti-graviton lens similar to a laser, so you are on to something Kiwi.