mojo
03-03-2010, 09:37 PM
The Tuatha De Danaan, arrived in Eire and are thought to be one of the original inhabitants along with the Firbolg and the Fomorians, before being defeated by the invading Milesians.
Form the Irish meaning Children of the Goddess Danu, Tuatha de Danann is probably the most important race of færies (http://amkon.net/Faerie.htm). The had a monarchical society, and they were a magical race. The Tuatha de Danann flew into Ireland with their four magical possessions: The Lia Fail (stone of destiny), the spear of their warrior god Lug, the sword of Nuadu, and the inexhaustible cauldron of the god good the Dagda. They banished the Firbolg (http://amkon.net/Firbolgs.htm) and defeated the demonic Fomorians (http://amkon.net/Fomorian.htm). Many centuries later they were defeated and driven to their otherworldly kingdom, Tir nan Og by the Milesians. There in Tir nan Og, they remain ageless and beautiful, still practicing magic. Many think that all færies are descended from the race of Tuatha de Danann.
Tuatha de Danann - (People of the goddess Danu) This is the tribe of Irish deities, founded by Danu (http://amkon.net/l%20danu). Originating from the 'islands in the west', the gods traveled on a cloud to Ireland, which they then settled. Their use of magic had reached a level of perfection. Upon arriving in Ireland, they defeated the Firbolg (http://amkon.net/l%20firbolg). They later conquered the Fomorians (http://amkon.net/l%20fomorians) as well. Rather than demolishing the Fomorians, as they did the Firbolg, they bestowed upon them the province of Connacht. When the Milesians (http://amkon.net/l%20milesians) came to Ireland, they drove the Irish gods into the underworld. They apparently still dwell there, now as invisible beings. They will sometimes aid mortals, armed with pure white shields, and lances made of blue flame.
The Milesians mentioned here are not the ancient Greek Milesians but refers to the descendants of Mil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_(Irish)) who are thought to have come from Spain and invaded Britain and defeated the Tuatha de Danann.
Various sources for the belief that the Milesians were from Spain and possibly before that Scythians who spent time in Egypt.
The Lebor Gabála (http://amkon.net/wiki/Lebor_Gab%C3%A1la_%C3%89renn) (Book of Invasions - probably first written in the second half of the 11th century (http://amkon.net/wiki/11th_century) AD) describes the origin of the Gaelic (http://amkon.net/wiki/Gaels) people. Under the leadership of Galamh or Golam (Míl Espáine, the soldier of Hispania (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hispania) - a descendant of Japheth (http://amkon.net/wiki/Japheth), one of Noah (http://amkon.net/wiki/Noah)'s three sons), they came out of ancient Scythia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scythia) (southern Russia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Russia) - a land that had obtained sovereignty shortly after the Deluge (http://amkon.net/wiki/Deluge_%28mythology%29)) to live for a while in Egypt (http://amkon.net/wiki/Egypt). According to Edmund Campion writing in 1571 (http://amkon.net/wiki/1571), at the court of King Amenophis (http://amkon.net/wiki/Amenophis) of Egypt, Galamh married the king's daughter, Scota (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scota); when the pharaoh (http://amkon.net/wiki/Pharaoh) had drowned in the Red Sea (http://amkon.net/wiki/Red_Sea), Galamh and his people wandered for many years before conquering Hispania (Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula), or modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) and establishing the city of Brigantia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Brigantia_%28city%29).
Grains of truth?
Article (http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1064152004)
Historians believed that the Celts, who were originally from the Alpine regions of central Europe, invaded the Atlantic islands in a massive migration 2,500 years ago. But Dr Bradley said that it was possible migrants moved from the Iberian peninsula as far back as 6,000 years ago and up until 3,000 years ago.
The study, using DNA samples from people living in Celtic nations and other parts of Europe, found
there are also close links between Scotland and Ireland dating back much further than the Plantations of the 1600s, when many Scots moved to northern Ireland in search of fertile farming land.
source (http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1393742006)
A MAJOR genetic study of the population of Britain appears to have put an end to the idea of the "Celtic fringe" of Scotland, Ireland and Wales.
Instead, a research team at Oxford University has found the majority of Britons are Celts descended from Spanish tribes who began arriving about 7,000 years ago.
A possible reason for differing DNA is that various ethnic groups have populated that region over thousands of years. It is now thought that Spanish ancestry began before the celts in Ireland between 6000 and 7000 years ago.
source (http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1064152004/)
Historians have long believed the British Isles were invaded by Iron Age Celts from central Europe in about 500 BC. But geneticists at Dublin’s Trinity College now claim the Scots and Irish have as much, if not more, in common with the people of north-western Spain.
source (http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1393742006)
Prof Sykes divided the population into several groups or clans: Oisin for the Celts; Wodan for Anglo-Saxons and Danish Vikings; Sigurd for Norse Vikings; Eshu for people who share genetic links with people such as the Berbers of North Africa; and Re for a farming people who spread to Europe from the Middle East.
The study linked the male Y-chromosome to the birthplace of paternal grandfathers to try to establish a historic distribution pattern. Prof Sykes, a member of the Oisin clan, said the Celts had remained predominant in Britain despite waves of further migration.
wikipedia source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_(Irish))
According to Edmund Campion writing in 1571 (http://amkon.net/wiki/1571), at the court of King Amenophis (http://amkon.net/wiki/Amenophis) of Egypt, Galamh married the king's daughter, Scota (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scota); when the pharaoh (http://amkon.net/wiki/Pharaoh) had drowned in the Red Sea (http://amkon.net/wiki/Red_Sea), Galamh and his people wandered for many years before conquering Hispania (Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula), or modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) and establishing the city of Brigantia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Brigantia_%28city%29).
It had been prophesied that Galamh's descendants would rule Ireland, but he himself never reached its shores, dying in Gallaecia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Gallaecia) (modern Galicia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Galicia_%28Spain%29) and northern (http://amkon.net/wiki/Norte%2C_Portugal)Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal)) in the north-west of the Iberian Peninsula (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula). One day, on looking out from the tower of Breogán, his uncle ĺth saw the island of Ireland (Hibernia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hibernia)) across the sea and decided to sail there with Scota: on arriving in Ireland he met the country's three kings - men of the Tuatha Dé Danann (http://amkon.net/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann) - and was killed by them. Out of vengeance, eight sons of Galamh (ie. sons of the Míl Espáine, thus Milesians) and nine brothers of Íth set out from their territory (said to have been around modern Bayonne (http://amkon.net/wiki/Bayonne) in the Basque Country (http://amkon.net/wiki/Northern_Basque_Country)) and invaded Ireland.1
What is exciting about this thought that the Milesians arrived sometime between 6000 and 3000BC is that would mean the Tuatha De Danaan arrived even earlier than that. Lets forget the flying ships for a moment and understand the importance of this.
How do we account for them arriving on ships capable of carrying a great number of people and provisions long before modern historians would have us believe anyone was capable of advanced open sea sailing or navigation.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_Gab%C3%A1la_%C3%89renn) Interesting read with excerpts and links to Lebor Gabála Érenn ( The Book of the Taking of Ireland).
Numerous fragments of Irish pseudohistory are scattered throughout the seventh and eighth centuries, but the earliest extant account is to be found in the Historia Brittonum or "History of the Britons," written by the Welsh priest Nennius (http://amkon.net/wiki/Nennius) in 829-830. Nennius gives two separate accounts of early Irish history. The first consists of a series of successive colonisations from Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula) (Hispania (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hispania), modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) by the pre-Gaelic races of Ireland, all of which found their way into LGE. The second recounts the origins of the Gael themselves, and tells how they in turn came to be the masters of the country and the ancestors of all the Irish.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann)
The Tuatha Dé were descended from Nemed (http://amkon.net/wiki/Nemed), leader of a previous wave of inhabitants of Ireland. They came from four northern cities, Falias, Gorias, Murias and Finias, where they acquired their occult skills and attributes. They arrived in Ireland, on or about May 1 (http://amkon.net/wiki/May_1) (the date of the festival of Beltaine (http://amkon.net/wiki/Beltaine)), on dark clouds, although later versions rationalise this by saying they burned their ships to prevent retreat, and the "clouds" were the smoke produced.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemed)
In Irish mythology (http://amkon.net/wiki/Irish_mythology), Nemed ("holy" or "privileged") son of Agnoman (http://amkon.net/wiki/Agnoman) of Scythia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scythia) was the leader of the third group of inhabitants of Ireland (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland). They arrived in 2350 BC (http://amkon.net/wiki/24th_century_BC) according to the chronology of the Annals of the Four Masters (http://amkon.net/wiki/Annals_of_the_Four_Masters), 1731 BC (http://amkon.net/wiki/18th_century_BC) according to Seathrún Céitinn (http://amkon.net/wiki/Seathr%C3%BAn_C%C3%A9itinn)'s chronology.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthol%C3%B3n)
In Irish mythology (http://amkon.net/wiki/Irish_mythology) Partholón was the leader of the second group of people to settle in Ireland (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland), the first to arrive after the biblical Flood (http://amkon.net/wiki/Deluge_%28mythology%29). They arrived in 2680 BC according to the chronology of the Annals of the Four Masters (http://amkon.net/wiki/Annals_of_the_Four_Masters), 2061 BC according to Seathrún Céitinn (http://amkon.net/wiki/Seathr%C3%BAn_C%C3%A9itinn)'s chronology, and the time of Abraham (http://amkon.net/wiki/Abraham) according to Irish synchronic historians.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessair)
In Irish mythology (http://amkon.net/wiki/Irish_mythology), Cessair (or Ceasair) was the leader of the first inhabitants of Ireland (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland) before the Biblical (http://amkon.net/wiki/Bible)Flood (http://amkon.net/wiki/Deluge_%28mythology%29), in what may be a Christianisation (http://amkon.net/wiki/Christianisation) of a legend that pre-dates the conversion, but may alternatively be the product of post-conversion pseudohistory (http://amkon.net/wiki/Pseudohistory).
If the ancient Milesians that defeated the Tuatha De Danaan were originally Scythian's, then who were the Tuatha de Danaan and where did they come from. Even taking into account the Scythians existed around 1000BC that would put the arrival of the Tuatha at least around 2000 - 1500BC, still quite a technological feat to move a large amount of people across open water.
Did they possess the technology and knowhow to cross open seas, are the "magical" objects they bought with them really just advanced technology that seemed magical?
Were the Tuatha Atlantean refugee's looking for a new home?
Some information on the races inhabiting Eire when the Tuatha arrived.
Firbolg - These were the early inhabitants, or perhaps gods, of Ireland. They conquered Ireland by defeating the Fomorians (http://amkon.net/l%20fomorians), after two other races had failed. Their name means 'Men of the Bags.'
Fomorians - These are demonic giants who occupied Ireland at one time. They withstood invasions by both the Partholons and the Nemeds, only to fall to the Firbolgs (http://amkon.net/l%20firbolg). The Firbolgs subdued them and they lived in peace together. Eventually, the Tuatha de Danann (http://amkon.net/l%20tuatha) arrived in Ireland and eliminated the Firbolgs. The Fomorians, however, were allowed to keep the province of Connacht. The Fomorian king is Balor (http://amkon.net/l%20balor). Some others are Bres (http://amkon.net/l%20bres), Eriu (http://amkon.net/l%20eriu), and Tethra (http://amkon.net/l%20tethra). These giants are sometimes associated in myth with natural powers that hinder mankind, such as winter, fog, and storms.
Some information on Scythians.
http://history-world.org/scythians.htm
The Scythians were feared and admired for their prowess in war and, in particular, for their horsemanship. They were among the earliest people to master the art of riding, and their mobility astonished their neighbors. The migration of the Scythians from Asia eventually brought them into the territory of the Cimmerians, who had traditionally controlled the Caucasus and the plains north of the Black Sea. In a war that lasted 30 years, the Scythians destroyed the Cimmerians and set themselves up as rulers of an empire stretching from west Persia through Syria and Judaea to the borders of Egypt. The Medes, who ruled Persia, attacked them and drove them out of Anatolia, leaving them finally in control of lands which stretched from the Persian border north through the Kuban and into southern Russia.
The Scythians were remarkable not only for their fighting ability but also for the civilization they produced. They developed a class of wealthy aristocrats who left elaborate graves filled with richly worked articles of gold and other precious materials. This class of chieftains, the Royal Scyths, finally established themselves as rulers of the southern Russian and Crimean territories. It is there that the richest and most numerous relics of Scythian civilization have been found. Their power was sufficient to repel an invasion by the Persian king Darius I in about 513 BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Origins_and_pre-history_.28to_700_BC.29
Scholars generally classify the Scythian language (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scythian_languages) as a member of the Eastern Iranian languages (http://amkon.net/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages). The Scythians are thought to have originated from the Central Asian (http://amkon.net/wiki/Central_Asia) region of Greater Iran (http://amkon.net/wiki/Greater_Iran) (Persia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Persia))[5]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-5"[6]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-6"[7]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-7"[8]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-8"[9] (http://amkon.net/l%20cite_note-4), as a branch of the ancient Iranian peoples (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ancient_Iranian_peoples) expanding north into the steppe regions from around 1000 BC.[10]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-Sulimirski-10"[11]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-11"[12] (http://amkon.net/l%20cite_note-Szemer.C3.A9nyi-9)
The Scythians only existing at some time around 1000BC seems to rule them out as the source of Milesian invasion that the DNA sources suggest occured roughly 5,000 or more years ago.
However in an earlier excerpt above its suggested in the "Book of Invasions" only that they came out of ancient Scythia "shortly after the deluge". What time do you place the deluge at? 3000BC, 6000BC, 10,000BC.??????
So were does the truth lie, somewhere in between. Are the Tuatha a race of previously unknown origin that arrived in Ireland sometime before the invasion of the Milesians.
When did this occur, 500BC, 1000BC or much later as many are now suggesting, somewhere between 5,000 and 8,000 years ago. That puts the timeline in direct comparison to one of the very first cities that has ever been discovered, Catalhoyuk in Anatolia.
Form the Irish meaning Children of the Goddess Danu, Tuatha de Danann is probably the most important race of færies (http://amkon.net/Faerie.htm). The had a monarchical society, and they were a magical race. The Tuatha de Danann flew into Ireland with their four magical possessions: The Lia Fail (stone of destiny), the spear of their warrior god Lug, the sword of Nuadu, and the inexhaustible cauldron of the god good the Dagda. They banished the Firbolg (http://amkon.net/Firbolgs.htm) and defeated the demonic Fomorians (http://amkon.net/Fomorian.htm). Many centuries later they were defeated and driven to their otherworldly kingdom, Tir nan Og by the Milesians. There in Tir nan Og, they remain ageless and beautiful, still practicing magic. Many think that all færies are descended from the race of Tuatha de Danann.
Tuatha de Danann - (People of the goddess Danu) This is the tribe of Irish deities, founded by Danu (http://amkon.net/l%20danu). Originating from the 'islands in the west', the gods traveled on a cloud to Ireland, which they then settled. Their use of magic had reached a level of perfection. Upon arriving in Ireland, they defeated the Firbolg (http://amkon.net/l%20firbolg). They later conquered the Fomorians (http://amkon.net/l%20fomorians) as well. Rather than demolishing the Fomorians, as they did the Firbolg, they bestowed upon them the province of Connacht. When the Milesians (http://amkon.net/l%20milesians) came to Ireland, they drove the Irish gods into the underworld. They apparently still dwell there, now as invisible beings. They will sometimes aid mortals, armed with pure white shields, and lances made of blue flame.
The Milesians mentioned here are not the ancient Greek Milesians but refers to the descendants of Mil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_(Irish)) who are thought to have come from Spain and invaded Britain and defeated the Tuatha de Danann.
Various sources for the belief that the Milesians were from Spain and possibly before that Scythians who spent time in Egypt.
The Lebor Gabála (http://amkon.net/wiki/Lebor_Gab%C3%A1la_%C3%89renn) (Book of Invasions - probably first written in the second half of the 11th century (http://amkon.net/wiki/11th_century) AD) describes the origin of the Gaelic (http://amkon.net/wiki/Gaels) people. Under the leadership of Galamh or Golam (Míl Espáine, the soldier of Hispania (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hispania) - a descendant of Japheth (http://amkon.net/wiki/Japheth), one of Noah (http://amkon.net/wiki/Noah)'s three sons), they came out of ancient Scythia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scythia) (southern Russia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Russia) - a land that had obtained sovereignty shortly after the Deluge (http://amkon.net/wiki/Deluge_%28mythology%29)) to live for a while in Egypt (http://amkon.net/wiki/Egypt). According to Edmund Campion writing in 1571 (http://amkon.net/wiki/1571), at the court of King Amenophis (http://amkon.net/wiki/Amenophis) of Egypt, Galamh married the king's daughter, Scota (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scota); when the pharaoh (http://amkon.net/wiki/Pharaoh) had drowned in the Red Sea (http://amkon.net/wiki/Red_Sea), Galamh and his people wandered for many years before conquering Hispania (Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula), or modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) and establishing the city of Brigantia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Brigantia_%28city%29).
Grains of truth?
Article (http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1064152004)
Historians believed that the Celts, who were originally from the Alpine regions of central Europe, invaded the Atlantic islands in a massive migration 2,500 years ago. But Dr Bradley said that it was possible migrants moved from the Iberian peninsula as far back as 6,000 years ago and up until 3,000 years ago.
The study, using DNA samples from people living in Celtic nations and other parts of Europe, found
there are also close links between Scotland and Ireland dating back much further than the Plantations of the 1600s, when many Scots moved to northern Ireland in search of fertile farming land.
source (http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1393742006)
A MAJOR genetic study of the population of Britain appears to have put an end to the idea of the "Celtic fringe" of Scotland, Ireland and Wales.
Instead, a research team at Oxford University has found the majority of Britons are Celts descended from Spanish tribes who began arriving about 7,000 years ago.
A possible reason for differing DNA is that various ethnic groups have populated that region over thousands of years. It is now thought that Spanish ancestry began before the celts in Ireland between 6000 and 7000 years ago.
source (http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1064152004/)
Historians have long believed the British Isles were invaded by Iron Age Celts from central Europe in about 500 BC. But geneticists at Dublin’s Trinity College now claim the Scots and Irish have as much, if not more, in common with the people of north-western Spain.
source (http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1393742006)
Prof Sykes divided the population into several groups or clans: Oisin for the Celts; Wodan for Anglo-Saxons and Danish Vikings; Sigurd for Norse Vikings; Eshu for people who share genetic links with people such as the Berbers of North Africa; and Re for a farming people who spread to Europe from the Middle East.
The study linked the male Y-chromosome to the birthplace of paternal grandfathers to try to establish a historic distribution pattern. Prof Sykes, a member of the Oisin clan, said the Celts had remained predominant in Britain despite waves of further migration.
wikipedia source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_(Irish))
According to Edmund Campion writing in 1571 (http://amkon.net/wiki/1571), at the court of King Amenophis (http://amkon.net/wiki/Amenophis) of Egypt, Galamh married the king's daughter, Scota (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scota); when the pharaoh (http://amkon.net/wiki/Pharaoh) had drowned in the Red Sea (http://amkon.net/wiki/Red_Sea), Galamh and his people wandered for many years before conquering Hispania (Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula), or modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) and establishing the city of Brigantia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Brigantia_%28city%29).
It had been prophesied that Galamh's descendants would rule Ireland, but he himself never reached its shores, dying in Gallaecia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Gallaecia) (modern Galicia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Galicia_%28Spain%29) and northern (http://amkon.net/wiki/Norte%2C_Portugal)Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal)) in the north-west of the Iberian Peninsula (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula). One day, on looking out from the tower of Breogán, his uncle ĺth saw the island of Ireland (Hibernia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hibernia)) across the sea and decided to sail there with Scota: on arriving in Ireland he met the country's three kings - men of the Tuatha Dé Danann (http://amkon.net/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann) - and was killed by them. Out of vengeance, eight sons of Galamh (ie. sons of the Míl Espáine, thus Milesians) and nine brothers of Íth set out from their territory (said to have been around modern Bayonne (http://amkon.net/wiki/Bayonne) in the Basque Country (http://amkon.net/wiki/Northern_Basque_Country)) and invaded Ireland.1
What is exciting about this thought that the Milesians arrived sometime between 6000 and 3000BC is that would mean the Tuatha De Danaan arrived even earlier than that. Lets forget the flying ships for a moment and understand the importance of this.
How do we account for them arriving on ships capable of carrying a great number of people and provisions long before modern historians would have us believe anyone was capable of advanced open sea sailing or navigation.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_Gab%C3%A1la_%C3%89renn) Interesting read with excerpts and links to Lebor Gabála Érenn ( The Book of the Taking of Ireland).
Numerous fragments of Irish pseudohistory are scattered throughout the seventh and eighth centuries, but the earliest extant account is to be found in the Historia Brittonum or "History of the Britons," written by the Welsh priest Nennius (http://amkon.net/wiki/Nennius) in 829-830. Nennius gives two separate accounts of early Irish history. The first consists of a series of successive colonisations from Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula) (Hispania (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hispania), modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) by the pre-Gaelic races of Ireland, all of which found their way into LGE. The second recounts the origins of the Gael themselves, and tells how they in turn came to be the masters of the country and the ancestors of all the Irish.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann)
The Tuatha Dé were descended from Nemed (http://amkon.net/wiki/Nemed), leader of a previous wave of inhabitants of Ireland. They came from four northern cities, Falias, Gorias, Murias and Finias, where they acquired their occult skills and attributes. They arrived in Ireland, on or about May 1 (http://amkon.net/wiki/May_1) (the date of the festival of Beltaine (http://amkon.net/wiki/Beltaine)), on dark clouds, although later versions rationalise this by saying they burned their ships to prevent retreat, and the "clouds" were the smoke produced.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemed)
In Irish mythology (http://amkon.net/wiki/Irish_mythology), Nemed ("holy" or "privileged") son of Agnoman (http://amkon.net/wiki/Agnoman) of Scythia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scythia) was the leader of the third group of inhabitants of Ireland (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland). They arrived in 2350 BC (http://amkon.net/wiki/24th_century_BC) according to the chronology of the Annals of the Four Masters (http://amkon.net/wiki/Annals_of_the_Four_Masters), 1731 BC (http://amkon.net/wiki/18th_century_BC) according to Seathrún Céitinn (http://amkon.net/wiki/Seathr%C3%BAn_C%C3%A9itinn)'s chronology.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthol%C3%B3n)
In Irish mythology (http://amkon.net/wiki/Irish_mythology) Partholón was the leader of the second group of people to settle in Ireland (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland), the first to arrive after the biblical Flood (http://amkon.net/wiki/Deluge_%28mythology%29). They arrived in 2680 BC according to the chronology of the Annals of the Four Masters (http://amkon.net/wiki/Annals_of_the_Four_Masters), 2061 BC according to Seathrún Céitinn (http://amkon.net/wiki/Seathr%C3%BAn_C%C3%A9itinn)'s chronology, and the time of Abraham (http://amkon.net/wiki/Abraham) according to Irish synchronic historians.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessair)
In Irish mythology (http://amkon.net/wiki/Irish_mythology), Cessair (or Ceasair) was the leader of the first inhabitants of Ireland (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland) before the Biblical (http://amkon.net/wiki/Bible)Flood (http://amkon.net/wiki/Deluge_%28mythology%29), in what may be a Christianisation (http://amkon.net/wiki/Christianisation) of a legend that pre-dates the conversion, but may alternatively be the product of post-conversion pseudohistory (http://amkon.net/wiki/Pseudohistory).
If the ancient Milesians that defeated the Tuatha De Danaan were originally Scythian's, then who were the Tuatha de Danaan and where did they come from. Even taking into account the Scythians existed around 1000BC that would put the arrival of the Tuatha at least around 2000 - 1500BC, still quite a technological feat to move a large amount of people across open water.
Did they possess the technology and knowhow to cross open seas, are the "magical" objects they bought with them really just advanced technology that seemed magical?
Were the Tuatha Atlantean refugee's looking for a new home?
Some information on the races inhabiting Eire when the Tuatha arrived.
Firbolg - These were the early inhabitants, or perhaps gods, of Ireland. They conquered Ireland by defeating the Fomorians (http://amkon.net/l%20fomorians), after two other races had failed. Their name means 'Men of the Bags.'
Fomorians - These are demonic giants who occupied Ireland at one time. They withstood invasions by both the Partholons and the Nemeds, only to fall to the Firbolgs (http://amkon.net/l%20firbolg). The Firbolgs subdued them and they lived in peace together. Eventually, the Tuatha de Danann (http://amkon.net/l%20tuatha) arrived in Ireland and eliminated the Firbolgs. The Fomorians, however, were allowed to keep the province of Connacht. The Fomorian king is Balor (http://amkon.net/l%20balor). Some others are Bres (http://amkon.net/l%20bres), Eriu (http://amkon.net/l%20eriu), and Tethra (http://amkon.net/l%20tethra). These giants are sometimes associated in myth with natural powers that hinder mankind, such as winter, fog, and storms.
Some information on Scythians.
http://history-world.org/scythians.htm
The Scythians were feared and admired for their prowess in war and, in particular, for their horsemanship. They were among the earliest people to master the art of riding, and their mobility astonished their neighbors. The migration of the Scythians from Asia eventually brought them into the territory of the Cimmerians, who had traditionally controlled the Caucasus and the plains north of the Black Sea. In a war that lasted 30 years, the Scythians destroyed the Cimmerians and set themselves up as rulers of an empire stretching from west Persia through Syria and Judaea to the borders of Egypt. The Medes, who ruled Persia, attacked them and drove them out of Anatolia, leaving them finally in control of lands which stretched from the Persian border north through the Kuban and into southern Russia.
The Scythians were remarkable not only for their fighting ability but also for the civilization they produced. They developed a class of wealthy aristocrats who left elaborate graves filled with richly worked articles of gold and other precious materials. This class of chieftains, the Royal Scyths, finally established themselves as rulers of the southern Russian and Crimean territories. It is there that the richest and most numerous relics of Scythian civilization have been found. Their power was sufficient to repel an invasion by the Persian king Darius I in about 513 BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Origins_and_pre-history_.28to_700_BC.29
Scholars generally classify the Scythian language (http://amkon.net/wiki/Scythian_languages) as a member of the Eastern Iranian languages (http://amkon.net/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages). The Scythians are thought to have originated from the Central Asian (http://amkon.net/wiki/Central_Asia) region of Greater Iran (http://amkon.net/wiki/Greater_Iran) (Persia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Persia))[5]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-5"[6]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-6"[7]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-7"[8]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-8"[9] (http://amkon.net/l%20cite_note-4), as a branch of the ancient Iranian peoples (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ancient_Iranian_peoples) expanding north into the steppe regions from around 1000 BC.[10]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-Sulimirski-10"[11]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-11"[12] (http://amkon.net/l%20cite_note-Szemer.C3.A9nyi-9)
The Scythians only existing at some time around 1000BC seems to rule them out as the source of Milesian invasion that the DNA sources suggest occured roughly 5,000 or more years ago.
However in an earlier excerpt above its suggested in the "Book of Invasions" only that they came out of ancient Scythia "shortly after the deluge". What time do you place the deluge at? 3000BC, 6000BC, 10,000BC.??????
So were does the truth lie, somewhere in between. Are the Tuatha a race of previously unknown origin that arrived in Ireland sometime before the invasion of the Milesians.
When did this occur, 500BC, 1000BC or much later as many are now suggesting, somewhere between 5,000 and 8,000 years ago. That puts the timeline in direct comparison to one of the very first cities that has ever been discovered, Catalhoyuk in Anatolia.