Serious Research: Historia Brittonum

[pack3tg0st]

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary, over many a quant and curious volumes of forgotten lore...

no really... Last night I started to re-read the Historia Brittonum again...

This time a different translation...

thats when I noticed something... I don't recall it in the last traslation I read... but Its something of great importance to get to the bottom of...

I have lispingly put together this history from various sources, and have endeavoured, from shame, to deliver down to posterity the few remaining ears of corn about past transactions, that they might not be trodden under foot, seeing that an ample crop has been snatched away already by the hostile reapers of foreign nations.

The Historia was written in 9th Century England... nearly 700 years before Columbus. There should be no mention of corn anywhere in Europe at this time...

In fact... there isn't even a latin word for 'corn' yet... so I don't get it...

So... I'm looking for someone who knows latin, that might be able to see what this passage actually says:

Tres magnas insulas habet, quarum una vergit contra Armoriacas et vocatur insula Gueith: secunda sita est in umbilico maris inter Hiberniam et Brittanniam et vocatur nomen eius Eubonia, id est Manau: alia sita est in extremo limite orbis Brittanniae ultra Pictos et vocatur Orc. sic in proverbio antiquo dicitur, quando de iudicibus vel regibus sermo fit: 'iudicavit Brittanniam cum tribus insulis'.

Sunt in ea multa flumina, quae confluunt ad omnes partes, id est ad orientem, ad occidentem, ad meridiem, ad septentrionem, sed tamen duo flumina praeclariora ceteris fluminibus Tamesis ac Sabrinae quasi duo brachia Britanniae, per quae olim rates vehebantur ad portandas divitias pro causa negotiationis. Brittones olim implentes eam a mari usque ad mare iudicaverunt.

My latin skills are non existent :)

I might not have even extracted the right section of the text... I had to narrow it down by the few words I do know...

meh, any help would be appreciated... If anyone around here is fluent in latin...

[MrPenny]

I'll forward this on to the Vatican.

I've heard they're up on this kind of stuff.

[Lexion]

Heh.

I took 4 years of Latin.

Don't really remember any
of it.

[hp]

Can't help with latin. But translation error doesn't seem to far fetched.

[MrPenny]

I tried to run it through an online translator.....Ha! I got back some amazing gobbledegook.

[hp]

There are other crops that have now a sharing of the term maize or corn. Milo or milo maize which is grain sorghum for instance.

[pack3tg0st]

Can't help with latin. But translation error doesn't seem to far fetched.

Has to be something with translation... There wasn't a latin word for 'corn' before corn was known to exist... there couldn't have been...

I'm just wondering what they're really describing...

its probably important to note that this translation comes to us from Henry Bohn, 1848...

[boycotteverything]

corn is derived from the Latin word 'granus' which means 'grain. not to be conflated with maize.

[pack3tg0st]

corn is derived from the Latin word 'granus' which means 'grain. not to be conflated with maize.

did a search of the latin text...

not one instance of granu... let alone granus...

I really shoulda learned latin hahaha

but I don't even know if knowing modern latin would be helpful in a document from the dark ages...

I imagine the language would have had dialects and would have evolved quite a bit since then...

This manuscript comes from a time when Latin was still a living language.

[pack3tg0st]

corn is derived from the Latin word 'granus' which means 'grain. not to be conflated with maize.

did a search of the latin text...

not one instance of granu... let alone granus...

I really shoulda learned latin hahaha

but I don't even know if knowing modern latin would be helpful in a document from the dark ages...

I imagine the language would have had dialects and would have evolved quite a bit since then...

This manuscript comes from a time when Latin was still a living language.

Shit... no earlier translations...

The document wasn't re-discovered until the 19th century in the Vatican.

Ya know, even though the catholic church is a bunch of douchebags... they sure do help preserve historical record hahahaha

[boycotteverything]

The Latin I studied was ancient Latin. Julius Caesar and those guys. 'Granus' was part of the vocabulary. Latin never evolved much from Roman times.

[boycotteverything]

But take it up with Rinnie/ MissA over at ANV. She's a Latin teacher.

[pack3tg0st]

But take it up with Rinnie/ MissA over at ANV. She's a Latin teacher.

Just took it over there... lets see what she comes up with :)

This might be a project she might be interested in too...

I'm pretty much trying to piece together as much as I can of some of the 'lost manuscripts' by looking at documents that provide excerpts and use them as sources...

I"m never going to be able to piece them together... but I want to get an 'idea' of the content of a few manuscripts lost in time...

Futile... I know... But its for nothing more than my personal database...

[boycotteverything]

hahaha well she loves this kinda stuff. hell she has a doctorate in it. smart kid.

[pack3tg0st]

Wonder how many of the 'lost manuscripts' from the dark ages are merely lost in the Vatican archives...

Not that i'm saying there's a conspiracy or anything... they just have a massive amount of data...

If one can find Leonardo Davinci's notebooks in a public library, imagine what happens when you have the massive amount of historical documents that the vatican holds on to...

Shit... The Vatican's only job of importance is to function as a modern day Alexandria.

[mojo]

there are a number of search results on www.sacred-texts.com for the keyword's "Historia Brittonum translation"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/fab/fab005.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/fab/fab009.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/fab/fab005.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/mab/mab04.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/cml/cml25.htm

there seems to be any number of translations into different languages. i'd imagine all sorts of various translated texts would be contaminated across the centuries. you'd actually need the original transcript to understand exactly what was written imo.


Another view is offered by Professor David Dumville (http://amkon.net/wiki/David_Dumville), who has done a great deal of research into the transmission of this text and the relationship of its recensions. Dumville believes that this text has been revised, supplemented, and rewritten many times and in many ways between the date of its apparent origin, and the date of its surviving manuscripts.[4] (http://amkon.net/l%20cite_note-3) The intent of its author was to produce a synchronizing chronicle after the manner of Irish (http://amkon.net/wiki/Ireland) historians in his own time. And since this manuscript offered the only history of Wales complementary to Bede (http://amkon.net/wiki/Bede)'s own Ecclesiastical History of the English People (http://amkon.net/wiki/Historia_ecclesiastica_gentis_Anglorum), it was reproduced and revised to meet this demand.


the bolded portion is what i imagine has occured.

[Cogburn]

Six Old English Chronicles. ed. J. A. Giles. London: Henry G. Bohn, 1848.

Find this.

It is the translation from which the OP text was drawn.

Read the author's notes, or the notes of a later scholar that dissected the translation.

If you check Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/History-Britons-Historia-Brittonum-Nennius/dp/1605979090/ref=pd_sim_b_1), they have 62 other works that cite this one as a reference.

I am inclined to believe the answer to your search lies within one of those works.

[pack3tg0st]

there seems to be any number of translations into different languages. i'd imagine all sorts of various translated texts would be contaminated across the centuries. you'd actually need the original transcript to understand exactly what was written imo.


I've got the original latin text...

I just lack the latin to read it hahahaha

Right now I'm on a mission trying to figure out what this means:

"Turbatam rempublicam ubique accepi, pacatam etiam Britannis relinquo.”

[pack3tg0st]

Six Old English Chronicles. ed. J. A. Giles. London: Henry G. Bohn, 1848.

Find this.

It is the translation from which the OP text was drawn.

Read the author's notes, or the notes of a later scholar that dissected the translation.

If you check Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/History-Britons-Historia-Brittonum-Nennius/dp/1605979090/ref=pd_sim_b_1), they have 62 other works that cite this one as a reference.

I am inclined to believe the answer to your search lies within one of those works.

Yah, I consulted with someone who is pretty knowledgable in latin... and she said that the Latin used in the document isn't something she can really read that well...

Its an esoteric latin or something...

British history is so fucked up... you'd need to konw at least 12 dead languages to read all the source documents...

I forgot how badly the Romans can distort history sometimes... Re-reading this document is a reminder :)

[Cogburn]

It's a dialect of Latin used by monks in the era, special indeed.

"Turbatam rempublicam ubique accepi, pacatam etiam Britannis relinquo."

"For receiving the acceptance of a company of republicans, Britons relinquish more and more."

My latin sucks, but most of those words are familiar.

Edit to add: eris is the Latin geek of the household, although her ecclesiastical Latin may be less than mine given I tend to enjoy reading such works. :)

[pack3tg0st]

It's a dialect of Latin used by monks in the era, special indeed.

"Turbatam rempublicam ubique accepi, pacatam etiam Britannis relinquo."

"For receiving the acceptance of a company of republicans, Britons relinquish more and more."

My latin sucks, but most of those words are familiar.

Emperor Severus's last words :)

He died in York... The Britons maintain that he was killed by them, with the assistance of the picts.

The Romans thought that he was assasinated, and thusly launched another campaign against Britain...

However, Roman historians say 'natural causes'.

hahahah

Kinda like this scenario here...

Roman Version:
However, the Romans fought off the Britons who withdrew. But it was clear to Caesar that the Britons were anything but a pushover and by the end of the year, the Romans had withdrawn to Gaul.

Briton's version of events:
and thus Julius Cæsar returned home without victory, having had his soldiers slain, and his ships shattered.

No one knows how to 'gloss over' shit like the Romans I guess hahaha..

[Cogburn]

Given the context, I have to admit I enjoy the juxtaposition of the term "republican" with the idea of freedom, when viewed through a modern context.

[mojo]

the problem facing us is that there is still much debate about whether nennius was in fact the author of the tome.
there seems to be enough evidence to call into question his authorship of it.

http://www.bartleby.com/211/0503.html



As to the probable date of this curious congeries of writings, it is held that they were compiled by a Briton somewhere about the year 679, after which additions were made to them. In particular, about the year 800, a recension of the whole was made by one Nennius. He represents himself as a pupil of Elbodugus (who is known to have been bishop of Bangor, and to have died in 809) and also, seemingly, as a pupil of one Beulan, for whose son Samuel he made his revision of the book. He may, very possibly, be identical with the Nemnivus of whom we have some curious relics preserved in a Bodleian manuscript. 20 The revision of Nennius is not extant in a complete form. Our best authority for it is an Irish version made in the eleventh century by Gilla Coemgin. Some of the Latin copies have preserved extracts from the original, among which are the preface of Nennius and some verses by him. A principal point to be remembered in this connection is that it is scarcely correct to speak of the History of the Britons as being the work of Nennius 2 (http://amkon.net/211/0503.html/lnote2)

[pack3tg0st]

the problem facing us is that there is still much debate about whether nennius was in fact the author of the tome.
there seems to be enough evidence to call into question his authorship of it.

http://www.bartleby.com/211/0503.html

Well yah... I'm working off the tenth century revision that was found in the Vatican Archives in the early 19th century.

But... it wasn't called the 'Dark Ages' for nothin' lol

There's alot we'll probably never know...

I think our best shot is an analysis of legend and questionable historical documents to try and piece together something...

Technically, there's not really any proof of Vortegern's existence either...

Anything after the Romans left all the way through the time of the all powerful and tyranical holy roman church running everything, is kind of... fuzzy.

[pack3tg0st]

Ok, Done with Brittanum...

Onto Bede's Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum

Linke here for those who care :P

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/bede-book1.html

[pack3tg0st]

hahahaha

Rome tells the Britons: Quit being such pussies!

Then the Romans declared to the Britons, that they could not for the future undertake such troublesome expeditions for their sake, advising them rather to handle their weapons like men

[Cogburn]

What the hell... did we just get sucked into a search for Camelot?

[pack3tg0st]

What the hell... did we just get sucked into a search for Camelot?

Camelot?

Naw, the Ecclesiastica Doesn't make any mention of an Arthur... unless you are of the school of thought who thinks that Ambrosius Aurelius was Arthur...

I enjoy England in the dark ages... its way more colorful than most other periods in history... Just re-reading some stuff...

I've had a pet 'for-fun' project going for a while now... Some of these documents are based on certain manuscripts that have been missing for centuries, but the original authors had access to... Several of them are based on the same supposed manuscripts...

I'm extracting the portions of each work that are based on these supposed missing documents and putting them together into categories... (St. Patrick, Caesar etc) hoping to glean some sort of context of these missing manuscripts.

I'll never be done... but its not so much about the 'finish line' as it is the enjoyment of reading some of these texts :)

Camelot... shit man... Caer Cadbury has already been discovered :P

[pack3tg0st]

A third History...

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles...

http://omacl.org/Anglo/

There are 9 surviving copies of the A-S Chronicles... This particular translation is a merging of all the available versions...

Anyway... so now the point on all three of these...

Historia Brittanum is written sympathetic to the Britons.

Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum is written by a Northumbrian, and thus, is sympathetic to Northumbria... Its also the most detailed, but the majority of the books are centered around the conversion of the Isle to Christianity.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles were commissioned by King Alfred of Wessex, who was of Anglo-Saxon descent... thus, is sympathetic to the Anglo-Saxons...

Three differing points of view covering the same time period...

There are still more to go, but if this is boring, I don't have to bother anyone with it lol

I love this shit.

Mojo's thing is Ancient Civ... Mine is more Dark Ages through middle ages.. (I REALLY don't like the 'high middle ages' and the rise of romanticism though..)

[pack3tg0st]

De Excidio et Conquestu Britanniae

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/gildas-full.html

Anyone read any of these? or are reading these when I post em?

If not, Its no skin off my back, I'll just chill and not go through the trouble of posting em...

[mojo]

try searching sacred-texts and project gutneberg pack, they have some great manuscripts and books on britain and celtic history.
it would be good for context to get your information from more than one source as well.

[Cogburn]

Hehe... My powers don't work without a target. :)

Are we looking for anything specific, or just browsing medieval English history?

[pack3tg0st]

Hehe... My powers don't work without a target. :)

Are we looking for anything specific, or just browsing medieval English history?

LOL

The Dark Ages are Riddled with targets...

Was Emperor Severus killed, or did he die of natural causes?

Was Vortigern real?

How many texts are these historical texts based off of?

What is the true story of the Saxon's coming to Britain (By invite, or by chance... there are two stories)

Why in all of this is the Isle of Man never mentioned... was it just not important?

[pack3tg0st]

try searching sacred-texts and project gutneberg pack, they have some great manuscripts and books on britain and celtic history.
it would be good for context to get your information from more than one source as well.

cool man, I'll check em out :P

[boycotteverything]

Suetonius: "The Life of Claudius Britanicus Caesar" is where I'd start.

[mojo]

Hehe... My powers don't work without a target. :)

Are we looking for anything specific, or just browsing medieval English history?

the mythology of the Tuatha De Danaan has intrigued me for years, almost as much as Sumer.

maybe for another thread, it reaches back beyond the middle ages.

[boycotteverything]

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/home.html

[pack3tg0st]

The English Dark Ages were after Rome left Britain... about 400-500 years after the 12 Cesaers.

Mojo: That's a little early for me hahahaha we're talking about 200 BC right?

[boycotteverything]

The English Dark Ages were after Rome left Britainthe point is that Rome has never left Britain.

[boycotteverything]

"All of Western Civilization is subsumed by the Spirits of Romulus and Caesar." A. Afterburn, Oh The Humanity!, ©Uppa US Publications 1974

[pack3tg0st]

the point is that Rome has never left Britain.

Thats not entirely true...

But its a long explanation... and I'm on cup 1 of my daily coffee ration :)

[boycotteverything]

Nothing is "entirely true."

[pack3tg0st]

Nothing is "entirely true."

England is special...

When the romans left, There was no longer anything holding back the Saxons.

The Saxons wiped out and residual Roman culture that might have remained during the equivilent of a holocaust event for the Britons.

Then the saxons burned churches and slaughtered priests...

The Catholic church didn't even send bishops back to the island for quite some time...

[pack3tg0st]

There's also something to be said for the idea that the Romans never really established a presence to begin with...

The Britons had to send word to Rome to send armies every time the saxons invaded... so its not like they had a strong presence on the island anyway...

There was also a period of time in which the Britons expelled the Romans...

But, they begged em to come back when invaders from Ireland and the Saxons started raping them...

[boycotteverything]

ok

[pack3tg0st]

ok

The reason its 'not entirely true' instead of outright false is a result of the Norman invasion :)

The Normans lived under Roman rule for quite a while... and thus, absorbed aspects of the culture...

But, its kinda splitting hairs :)

I had a thought last night...

Something akin to aspects of Hellenistic culture containing some of the same attributes as a virus...

If you stop and think about it... every culture that has been touched by the Greeks and Romans have self imploded due to overexpansion or overconsumption. Meanwhile, eradicating the sustainable cultures that existed for centuries before meeting the centurions.

[boycotteverything]

Something akin to aspects of Hellenistic culture containing some of the same attributes as a virus...yep. that was my point. we carry history with us. It's also Chomsky's point. Viral, rather than genetic is right. To me that's all that makes history an interesting study.

[boycotteverything]

We've had this discussion before in a different context. Our discussion of nihilism. It's been my position that 'nihilism' is really nothing other than the denial of history- not 'bracketing'- but denial.

[pack3tg0st]

Still wish I could Identify what causes the idea of 'find-conquer-consume-leave'

Thats probably more of a philosophy/anthropology type thing though...

The historical record only shows us the results of this process in action.

[boycotteverything]

That's because it's the most notable. being whacked upside the head with a lance hurts like hell. hahahaha

[pack3tg0st]

That's because it's the most notable. being whacked upside the head with a lance hurts like hell. hahahaha

Nature isn't half as cruel to mankind as mankind.

[boycotteverything]

nature makes no judgments. that's left for the descendants of the woman who ate the apple, so to speak.

[boycotteverything]

all study of ontology, epistemology, ethics and history couldn't ask for a better point of departure than that parable.

[Cogburn]

philosophy / psychology / anthropology type thing

It's far easier, infinitely faster and, for some, perversely more gratifying (enter psychology) to whack someone over the head and take their shit as opposed to going out and crafting/building/growing your own.

One of the oldest motivations for violence and other anti-social behaviors is starving children.

Crops fail. Animals migrate. Natural disasters happen.

Philosophy enters into the discussion at the point when one realizes that the reactions to desperation are maintained beyond their original need.

Ties in quite nicely to the oil thread, in that the oldest lessons are the ones still left unlearned... and you want to talk about conservation of oil resources?

Those priorities seem a bit misplaced.

[pack3tg0st]

Well the problem I have considering such a thing as psychology, or human nature, is the fact that not all cultures have been like that...

overall, Hellenistic cultures, and cultures who have been impacted by helenestic conquest, have a higher proportion of those sort of activities than others...

Long explanation could ensue... and maybe i'll get to it later, but for some reason, my kids have determined its time to go monkey shit.

[boycotteverything]

psychology in soviet america is called 'behavioral science.' the very word ought to give us the creeps. perfect field for an amoral crud like Cogburnt.

[Lexion]

All this over corn ?

[boycotteverything]

well- we meander. what can i say? life is a unithread.

[mojo]

Mojo: That's a little early for me hahahaha we're talking about 200 BC right?

even earleir than that, probably around 1500BC, maybe earlier.

the interesting thing in their mythology was their arrival in Eire on 7 great (black) clouds and the description of their powers (technology).

i'll start a thread on it i think, i've got a bunch of stuff saved around here somewhere.

[Cogburn]

psychology in soviet america is called 'behavioral science.' the very word ought to give us the creeps. perfect field for an amoral crud like Cogburnt.

Psychology is only one of many disciplines referred to as being a "behavioral science." Certain disciplines of genetics are also considered "behavioral sciences." A dictionary may be useful in such future attempts at refuting my statements or positions.

As to the extent of my amorality, you'd be hard pressed to find me defending organizations dedicated to the grand old pasttime of child rape.

Step off, crust britches.

[boycotteverything]

tell it to your social worker, wanker.

[Cogburn]

I already told her to get right fucked. (http://amkon.net/so-child-protective-services-t22351.html?t=22351r)

Today I'm in the mood to focus on you.

[mojo]

Pack, it seems there is a tenuous link between your Historia Brittonum research and my Tuatha De Danaan research after all. :)

http://amkon.net/tuatha-de-danaan-t25161.html?t=25161


Numerous fragments of Irish pseudohistory are scattered throughout the seventh and eighth centuries, but the earliest extant account is to be found in the Historia Brittonum or "History of the Britons," written by the Welsh priest Nennius (http://amkon.net/wiki/Nennius) in 829-830. Nennius gives two separate accounts of early Irish history. The first consists of a series of successive colonisations from Iberia (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iberian_peninsula) (Hispania (http://amkon.net/wiki/Hispania), modern Portugal (http://amkon.net/wiki/Portugal) and Spain (http://amkon.net/wiki/Spain)) by the pre-Gaelic races of Ireland, all of which found their way into LGE. The second recounts the origins of the Gael themselves, and tells how they in turn came to be the masters of the country and the ancestors of all the Irish.

[pack3tg0st]

Pack, it seems there is a tenuous link between your Historia Brittonum research and my Tuatha De Danaan research after all. :)

http://amkon.net/tuatha-de-danaan-t25161.html?t=25161




Cool man :P

I really doubt the pre-history in Brittonum is anything more than fairy tale though... I don't see how anyone would have any way of knowing where the tribal peoples came from a few thousand years ago...

I've never taken that kind of stuff to seriously...

Although... Perhaps if our research came together, we could find cultural similarities and potentially figure something out.

[mojo]

I don't see how anyone would have any way of knowing where the tribal peoples came from a few thousand years ago...


DNA

[Cogburn]

I wonder how many other connections there are in ancient British history that mention maize other than Nennius in the 9th(?) century and Rossyln Chapel in the 15th.

[pack3tg0st]

I wonder how many other connections there are in ancient British history that mention maize other than Nennius in the 9th(?) century and Rossyln Chapel in the 15th.

I consulted with a latin expert :P

She says 'ears of corn' means 'ears of barley'

:)

but.. I do remember the ecclesiastica mentioning Corn at least once.. (which would be grain again)

[Cogburn]

Niiiiiiiiiiice.

[boycotteverything]

we use the word 'corn' improperly to mean maize. granus for the Romans meant cereal grain in general- not just barley. that was the original meaning of the word 'corn' also.

[mojo]

its obvious.

the tuatha came down from the caucasus through anatolia and into sumer and from there took grain with them to eire.

[boycotteverything]

yup

[pack3tg0st]

DNA

I meant in the 9th century manuscripts :P

[boycotteverything]

i think Mojo's point is that history has no discernible beginning. all starting points are arbitrary and based on the agenda or the energy level of the researcher. Gibbon said something to that effect in the intro of Decline and Fall as I recall. He went on and on about the need to husband his dwindling energy.

[mojo]

i think Mojo's point is that history has no discernible beginning. all starting points are arbitrary and based on the agenda or the energy level of the researcher. Gibbon said something to that effect in the intro of Decline and Fall as I recall. He went on and on about the need to husband his dwindling energy.

its probably why i never seem to finish anything. )

[anarch]

Delphine

[Red Skare]

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary, over many a quant and curious volumes of forgotten lore...

no really... Last night I started to re-read the Historia Brittonum again...

This time a different translation...

thats when I noticed something... I don't recall it in the last traslation I read... but Its something of great importance to get to the bottom of...

I have lispingly put together this history from various sources, and have endeavoured, from shame, to deliver down to posterity the few remaining ears of corn about past transactions, that they might not be trodden under foot, seeing that an ample crop has been snatched away already by the hostile reapers of foreign nations.

The Historia was written in 9th Century England... nearly 700 years before Columbus. There should be no mention of corn anywhere in Europe at this time...

In fact... there isn't even a latin word for 'corn' yet... so I don't get it...

So... I'm looking for someone who knows latin, that might be able to see what this passage actually says:

Tres magnas insulas habet, quarum una vergit contra Armoriacas et vocatur insula Gueith: secunda sita est in umbilico maris inter Hiberniam et Brittanniam et vocatur nomen eius Eubonia, id est Manau: alia sita est in extremo limite orbis Brittanniae ultra Pictos et vocatur Orc. sic in proverbio antiquo dicitur, quando de iudicibus vel regibus sermo fit: 'iudicavit Brittanniam cum tribus insulis'.

Sunt in ea multa flumina, quae confluunt ad omnes partes, id est ad orientem, ad occidentem, ad meridiem, ad septentrionem, sed tamen duo flumina praeclariora ceteris fluminibus Tamesis ac Sabrinae quasi duo brachia Britanniae, per quae olim rates vehebantur ad portandas divitias pro causa negotiationis. Brittones olim implentes eam a mari usque ad mare iudicaverunt.

My latin skills are non existent :)

I might not have even extracted the right section of the text... I had to narrow it down by the few words I do know...

meh, any help would be appreciated... If anyone around here is fluent in latin...

you are a faggot

[Lexion]

His wife had GREAT tits.

Just saying.

[Watchdog]

Legion IX HISPANIA never was destroyed in Briton.

[Red Skare]

He does not have a wife he uses linux, for him W.I.F.E (Wife Is a Foreign Executable) is incomparable with linux

[Lexion]

He got divorced, last year.

[Red Skare]

I guess she did not understand him telling her "Im moving to sweeten" then him moving a few blocks away.

[Martian Exile]

then him moving a few blocks away.

Naw, he's under house arrest in Texas.

[Lexion]

Well, going to jail pisses some wives off.

[Red Skare]

yes especially when it involves CP

[pack3tg0st]

lol you guys really have nothing better to do?

I've never been to jail... at least in the U.S.... the Time overseas doesn't really count... SOFA agreement and all... that was my first Command level Letter of Reprimand though :P

ahhh good times.

[mojo]

lol you guys really have nothing better to do?



if we did do you think we'd be here?

[pack3tg0st]

if we did do you think we'd be here?

lol I suppose not.

[mojo]

haha