Senate votes to extend surveillance and seizure provisions of the Patriot Act

[skunk]

Democrats retreat on new privacy protections (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100225/D9E35TM00.html)

Grow some fucking balls you cowards. Oversight be damned.

Senate Democrats have retreated from adding new privacy protections to the nation's primary counterterrorism law, as Republicans refused to lend support and portrayed the majority as willing to harm terror investigations.

Lacking the necessary 60-vote supermajority, Democratic leaders settled on a one-year extension of expiring surveillance and seizure provisions of the USA Patriot Act.

They tossed aside curbs - and greater scrutiny - on government authority agreed to by the Senate Judiciary Committee in October after spirited debate.

...

The three sections of the Patriot act that would stay in force:

_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.

_Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.

_Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.

[skunk]

Well this shit passed, no surprise.

Obama signs one-year extension of Patriot Act (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gmao3Tg9nvBQeAOMAVzmeZkrmAoAD9E4QD501)

Where's that change we've been waiting for? Cuz all I see is more of the same.

Is anyone actually going to vote to re-elect this douchebag?

Kucinich/Paul 2012.

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President Barack Obama has signed a one-year extension of several provisions in the nation's main counterterrorism law, the Patriot Act.

Provisions in the measure would have expired on Sunday without Obama's signature Saturday.

The act, which was adopted in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, expands the government's ability to monitor Americans in the name of national security.

Three sections of the Patriot Act that stay in force will:

_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.

_Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.

_Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.

Obama's signature comes after the House voted 315 to 97 Thursday to extend the measure.

The Senate also approved the measure, with privacy protections cast aside when Senate Democrats lacked the necessary 60-vote supermajority to pass them. Thrown away were restrictions and greater scrutiny on the government's authority to spy on Americans and seize their records.

[Cogburn]

Kucinich/Paul 2012

Why, so you can be even more disappointed when they are "revealed" as more of the same?

http://i47.tinypic.com/icigiv.jpg

Her campaign slogan should be: "At leas you know what you're getting."

[MrPenny]

The recent Supreme Court decision regarding corporate donations to candidates will effectively put any Ron Paul presidential candidacy in the poor house faster than you can say Merck......or AIG......or Goldman Sachs.....etc.....

[Kogburn]

Here we go again... Warrentless wiretaps and search/seizures... These fuckers need to go! When are we gonna wake the fuck up?

[hp]

corporate donations (n) - A monetary dildo rammed up a politician in order to turn him into a puppet to enhance business revenues.

[Lexion]

[offsite]
Three sections of the Patriot Act that stay in force will:

_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.

_Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.

_Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.



Here we go again... Warrentless wiretaps and search/seizures... These fuckers need to go! When are we gonna wake the fuck up?

Warrentless ?

Where do you see that ?

[Kogburn]

Warrentless ?



Where do you see that ?

It's buried... google fisa amendments act of 2008... if you think the only one's they're using it on is/are foreigners I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying...

[Lexion]

I'm feeling luck....nah, lazy.

Link it.

[Kogburn]

Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121391360949290049.html

"Exigent Circumstances. If intelligence important to the national security may be lost or not timely acquired, collection can begin before the FISA Court reviews and approves the targeting procedures."

[Lexion]

I agree with them.

The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 provides critically important authority for the U.S. Intelligence Community to acquire foreign intelligence information by targeting foreign persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States.

From Ima's link.

Hmmm.

What's so evil ?

[Kogburn]

I agree with them.

The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 provides critically important authority for the U.S. Intelligence Community to acquire foreign intelligence information by targeting foreign persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States.

From Ima's link.

Hmmm.

What's so evil ?
If you read between the lines...


...it seems they will allow the end to justify the means. In other words, you go ahead and get started on acquiring the data and we'll round up a warrant based on what you find, but hurry up cuz we only have about a month...

"The AG and DNI must submit the procedures within 7 days and the court would make a determination within 30 days. During this period, all relevant minimization and reverse targeting guidelines would apply."

[Lexion]

Hmmm.

Sounds to me, like "don't be stupid".

[Kogburn]

Hmmm.

Sounds to me, like "don't be stupid".
Considering how talented and masterful some are with digital manipulation...


...being stupid could be decided for you by an evil and nefarius shadow government entity. :rasta:

[Lexion]

Yeah.

Keep that mind-set.

I hear there is another Comet
in-bound.

[Kogburn]

Yeah.

Keep that mind-set.

I hear there is another Comet
in-bound.
True... And I have a bunk bed with your name on it! With Pirates of the Carribean bedding.

[skunk]

Why, so you can be even more disappointed when they are "revealed" as more of the same?

http://i47.tinypic.com/icigiv.jpg

Her campaign slogan should be: "At leas you know what you're getting."

True enough. Best case scenario has no president.

[guinnessford]

Patriot act, no matter how well camoflaged will be around til the end of time.

Polish it, clean it up, its still the same 1000 page document, in full effect that happened to be ready a few short days after 9-11.

It just dont seem right, any of it.

And were stuck with it now, cuz NONE of the idiots that voted it in, ever fukkin read it.

Maybe it hasnt been used against us yet, maybe it wont ever be, but the fact that it CAN be used against us, at any time, for ANY thing, really doesnt agree with my sensible side.

I just think it could have been better thought out, and if it wasnt force fed to the "elected" idiots, maybe it wouldnt have the full power it has to completely cripple the constitution.

[skunk]

Why do you think it was called the PATRIOT ACT? No one was going to vote against a bill named that, and risk the potential of being labeled anti-american.

The text of the bill didn't matter, it was the name that people care about.

[guinnessford]

Why do you think it was called the PATRIOT ACT? No one was going to vote against a bill named that, and risk the potential of being labeled anti-american.

The text of the bill didn't matter, it was the name that people care about.


Exactly.

I think even if it was named a hitler act at that point, it woulda been a close vote, as long as it had a flag on the cover, and the people pushing it said it would get the boogeymen.

APATHY!!!

[skunk]

I think its less about apathy, and more about cowardice.

[boycotteverything]

i don't buy the cowardice angle. they saw as a protective. whether it was a right or wrong decision is subject to rational debate. but it it wasn't 'cowardly.'

[skunk]

They voted for it because they were/are afraid. What's the difference?

[guinnessford]

Voting for it out of fear, but also not reading the contents for apathy.

2 things involved.

[boycotteverything]

yeah- but to fear is not the same as being cowardly. only the stupid and the dead are fearless.

[skunk]

Being afraid of the boogeyman is cowardly.

[boycotteverything]

having a healthy fear of an enemy can also be seen as prudent.

[skunk]

Or paranoia, especially if the enemy is of our own creation.

[boycotteverything]

it's all about perception.

[guinnessford]

I am close to fearless on some things, but I also realize very well that fear has no play in the outcome of anything, its a useless feeling.

But on the other side, I suppose having it could never go away.

being afraid, and letting fear make decisions for you are 2 different things, too.

[boycotteverything]

sure. i'm not particularly fearful either. but like i say- it's all about perception. fear is a valuable principle of natural selection. it has protective qualities in itself. personally- i just don't give a shit.

[guinnessford]

Some things I fear, but realize fear wont change anything.

Guess thats my perception of it.

[boycotteverything]

well- you fear for your son. and that provokes a protective response from you. see what i mean?

[guinnessford]

But with that fear of some things, I see past it, knowing those fears i feel wont effect anything.

Only the article, or action itself is left, if that makes sense.

I see what youre sayin.

[skunk]

How does passing the PATRIOT act help protect us from our enemies? The fear in this case is completely irrational.

[boycotteverything]

How does passing the PATRIOT act help protect us from our enemies? The fear in this case is completely irrational.it doesn't. and the fear that inspired it was irrational and emotional imo- but not cowardly.

[guinnessford]

You want their explanation?

to get the boogeymen by all means nessecary.

including steppin all over our rights.

[skunk]

I'd say that's pretty damn cowardly.

[guinnessford]

It is both.

In my eyes.

Perception, again.