Stockpiling

[itsabouttime]

I'm interested in knowing if any of you are doing any so-called stockpiling in the event of a national or global crisis. In the US, even our government asks us to do SOME preparation and storage of food/water, so this is not unreasonable (I'm not saying siding with the governments recommendations is always reasonable. ; ) ). See www.ready.gov (http://www.ready.gov)

Thanks for your input.

[Lexion]

I'll just hit up my in-laws.

They still have stuff from
the Y2K non-event.

[anarch]

I stock pile information. Fuckers can steal anything tangible, your food, your guns, your property , the determined asshole mob can get together and over power....But one thing that can not be taken is the knowledge you got up inside your head. So I stock pile information.

Also got a small seed bank and a small stash of hard silver just in case.

[hp]

When a person doesn't live in the city then that person tend to keep a bit on hand.

I'm waiting for spring to start up the garden.

Knowledge is a good thing but you can't eat it. Kinda sad to give up preparedness because it might not work out. Withot it, one is guaranteed to be in a tight spot.

[anarch]

What I lack in canned food and dehydrated meats can easily be made up for in pecans and deer meat.

Seriously the fucking deer here are out of control. No predators and we cant shoot them. Their population in NB is way too large... Still, In a time of need that same extra large population could easily service us folks in the out lying areas, along with the fish, and our gardens.

Its great to have a large stock pile and all but on the down side everyone that knows about it...well they know about it. Desperate people will do desperate things.

All the same you and I are both the type that can hunt, fish, garden, and gather what the wilds have to provide for us.

It is the city folks that don't understand how to get food from sources other than the grocery store that would be the most desperate in any kind of difficult situation.

Knowing how to distill water is something everyone should know.

[hp]

I hear you. We just keep a bit of extra on hand since the towns are not close. We can't do the big warehousing of special foods.

One draw back is that when everyone goes for the deer, etc route, it won't last that long. Guess looting will be a popular but dangerous past time.

[GeneralStriker]

From The Guardian yesterday-



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Americans stock up to be ready for end of the world

Recession and the constant threat of terrorist attacks have given new life to the ingrained survivalist instinct

Tess Pennington, 33, is a mother of three children, and lives in the sprawling outskirts of Houston, Texas. But she is not taking the happy safety of her suburban existence lightly.
Like a growing army of fellow Americans, Pennington is learning how to grow her own food, has stored emergency rations in her home and is taking courses on treating sickness with medicinal herbs.
"I feel safe and more secure. I have taken personal responsibility for the safety of myself and of my family," Pennington said. "We have decided to be prepared. There all kinds of disasters that can happen, natural and man-made."
Pennington is a "prepper", a growing social movement that has been dubbed Survivalism Lite. Preppers believe that it is better to be safe than sorry and that preparing for disaster – be it a hurricane or the end of civilisation – makes sense.
Unlike the 1990s survivalists, preppers come from all backgrounds and live all over America. They are just as likely to be found in a suburb or downtown loft as a remote ranch in the mountains. Prepping networks, which have sprung up all over the country in the past few years, provide advice on how to prepare food reserves, how to grow crops in your garden, how to hunt and how to defend yourself. There are prepping books, online shops, radio shows, countless blogs, prepping courses and prepping conferences.
John Milandred runs a website called Pioneer Living, which is one of the main forums for discussing prepping. It provides a range of advice for those who just want to store extra food in case of a power cut, to those who want to embrace the "off the grid" lifestyle of America's western pioneers. "We get inquiries from people from all walks of life. We had a principal from a school asking us to talk to their children. We have doctors and firemen and lawyers," he said.
Milandred lives in Oklahoma and, should society collapse around him, he is well placed to flourish. Indeed, he might not notice that much. His house has a hand-dug well that gives him fresh water. He grows his own food. He has built an oven that needs neither gas nor electricity. He can hunt for meat. "If something happened, it really would not affect us," he said.
There are several reasons for the rise of prepping. The first is that, in the post-9/11 world, mass terror attacks have become a fear for many Americans. At a time when US diplomacy is focused on preventing Iran getting nuclear weapons and terror experts continue to warn of "dirty bombs" on American soil, it is no surprise that many Americans feel threatened. Added to that paranoia has come the recession. Suddenly, millions of Americans have been losing their jobs and their homes, reinforcing a feeling that society is not as stable as it once seemed.
Hollywood has caught on. A succession of films, such as 2012, The Road, The Book of Eli and Legion, have tapped into an American Zeitgeist that is worried about the end of civilisation.
"Prepping masks a wide range of stances and ideologies. But the more people are prepared, the more they are likely to have an apocalyptic way of thinking," said Professor Barry Brummett, of the University of Texas-Austin.
Even government officials have accepted that the financial crisis posed a threat to social order. In recent testimony before Congress, treasury secretary Tim Geithner admitted that top-level talks had been held on whether the US could enforce law and order in the wake of a collapse of the financial system.
Certainly, Tom Martin agrees. He runs the American Preppers Network, which helps provide a wide range of resources. Martin, a truck driver who lives in Idaho, believes that more and more people will become preppers. "Millions of people now have the mindset that they want to be prepared for something, but don't know what to call it," he said.
That rings true with Pennington. In the 1990s, survivalism was the province of anti-government militiamen or loners in the woods. But preppers are more concerned with stocking up on food and water and relearning skills so that they can fend for themselves.
To that end, Pennington has set up a website called Ready Nutrition, which teaches basic food skills to prepare for a time when pre-packaged goods at a supermarket might not be available: "Prepping is not taboo, like survivalism. There is no negative connotation to it. We are not rednecks. In many ways, our ancestors were preppers. So were the Native Americans. It is just going back to being able to look after yourself."











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[Cogburn]

Stockpiling?

Sounds like the death of commercial consumption.

No wonder TPTB are concerned.

[GeneralStriker]

I'm stockpiling cat food. My cats already scare the piss outa me.

[Snow Crash]

I'm interested in knowing if any of you are doing any so-called stockpiling in the event of a national or global crisis. In the US, even our government asks us to do SOME preparation and storage of food/water, so this is not unreasonable (I'm not saying siding with the governments recommendations is always reasonable. ; ) ). See www.ready.gov (http://www.ready.gov)

Thanks for your input.


Regarding giving it the large over the net, I posted this on ATS shortly before I was banned there, in response to post after post in the survival forum that were blatant fishing expeditions, and the responses by net warriors looking to impress by listing their skill sets, their locations, and the amount of guns they had. Its a tad dramatic, but you get the point...

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A Story For All The Revolutionary Types To Consider

Please forgive the long nature of this post. This is a story all the revolutionary types should read. I urge you to read to the end, even if you don't agree with everything said.

Picture this scenario, if you will:

You're a person who has, over the past few years, become increasing disatisfied with the way things are going both in your country and abroad (unless you're one of those ignorant types who is unaware of a world outside your borders). You've been robbed by the government, you've been robbed by their coroporate buddies, and your freedoms are being stripped away. There's a new president in office, but it looks like, despite all his talk, he is working for the same crowd as the previous guy. There's talk of action by the people against the government/system/cartel in charge, and you want to know how you can help out.

So, what do you do? There's noone local you can talk to, as they just want to talk about TV/movies/music/etc. You need something with a wider reach, so youhead to the internet. On the internet, you can talk with people all over the world, connect, network, share ideas and compare ideologies (aka argue over petty party politics if you're a fox new fan).

Anyway, eager to seek out the people you have come searching for, you arrive at a forum that looks suitably filled with disgruntled and angry types. Hey, theres so many pissed off people here you even get right wing conservatives agreeing with those whacko commie leftist hippie types. You know the ones; the ones THEY said were traitors for not rolling out the war paint and flags after 9/11. The ones who told us we were being tricked etc, but we chose not to listen to them, cos they weren't delivering the message with the stars and stripes in the background.

So, it seems you've found a great little online community to get info from. Get that ex marine guy to give you tips on how to take care of your guns. Get that student to show you, in a coded fashion, how to set up crude home made explosives. Get that redneck to show you how to hunt stuff in your local wilderness. Get that crazy philosopher guy to give you some deep political and social insight. You're happy for a while, absorbing whatever you can, but you start to feel restless. You're learning this stuff for a reason, right? When is that reason going to happen?

One day, your impatience gets the better of you, and you start a thread, calling for immediate action. You find there's a lot of responses from people who are pretty much exactly where you are, all pledging to die for the flag etc etc. There's also of course, the people in the thread there to put you down, call you a crazy survivalist, or an unpatriotic sort. If you're really lucky, they might even call you a whacko commie leftist hippie. You engage in a battle of words, feeling invigorated by the responses you get, ignoring that weird chess playing guy who, four pages in, responded to your original post with a cryptic message, urging you to be patient, and to not advertise your strengths online. He says you're giving the enemy intel, but he is just one guy, and all the people supporting you can't be wrong, can they?

Sooner or later, the thread dies out, and you realise that your call for immediate revolution went unheeded. You're disappointed, but you feel good knowing that there's others out there just itching to take action. Then you see a thread where some new guy who appears to know what he is talking about, is calling for the members of the forum to give their locations. He wants to know where people are, so that all the members can form into groups, ready to take action 'when the time comes', as he puts it. He also asks that you list what guns you have. He would also like to know if you have any training or skills that the local group you're assigned to can utilise. You dutifully list your skills and firearms. You even tell them what kind of ammo you prefer.

Anyway, in Real World, the country is getting worse, and a bill is passed that allows the Government to start rounding people up who might cause an issue. 'Domestic Terrorism' they call it. You know who they mean though, and you know that your group is ready to take action.

The very night after you hear about this new bill, a knock at your door sounds. you head downstairs, and open the door, only to find yourself staring down the barrel of a gun. The government's enforcers are here, it seems. Your children scream, and your spouse begs as you are taken away from them. The last thing you see as they slip a black bag over your head is a cip tazing your spouse because they won't do as they are told. You cannot helo though, and you are driven in darkness to a place where you never see daylight, and are questioned about things you don't understand. Your confusion is turned to terror as they begin to beat you, but that changes nothing; you still don't understand what's really going on, what they are after.

After a few months, they let a lawyer in to see you, and the lawyer tells you that you are to be tried as a terrorist. You were of course expecting this sooner or later, and the trial begins as promised. The information used in your prosectuion starts to ring some bells, before suddenly, you realise they are using your own words, your words from the forum. Like that time you promised you'd be the one to pull the trigger on the president. Like that time you told the forum you would fight the police if they ever dared come to your home. And there's that time you egged on that new kid who wanted to go blow up a fed building. The real shock though is when they say that you even began to form a terrorist cell, and they point to all the stuff you said in that thread where the guy called for local groups to be formed. Your prosecutors even tell the court what exactly your role would be in the group, and they show what skills and experience you listed.

Your lawyer is just overwhelmed. He cannot defend your words, even if he was genuinely there to help you. You are duly found guilty, and are shipped off to a prison camp in the middle of nowhere, guarded by some private security thugs who kick you just for looking at them funny.

As you sit in your cell, you think of your family. You also think about where it is you went wrong. You curse the agent who posed as a member of the forum to get you to incriminate yourself. Then you remember that weird chess playing geek who told you not to reveal your hand. He was right, it seems. The voice of patience, with that distinct lack of bravado and chest beating that you found so distasteful, was right.

Then it hits you. The people you were searching for sent a man to warn you to stay low, and you ignored them. The people who could have shown you what to do if you really wanted to make a difference, you dismissed them when they tried to restrain you.

THE PEOPLE WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE INTERNET IS A PUBLIC PLACE AND THAT SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF ON A FORUM HERE IS LIKE SHOOTING IT OFF IN A CROWDED STREET. DO NOT GIVE YOUR ENEMY INTELLIGENCE ABOUT YOURSELF OR YOUR CONNECTIONS.

Have a nice day.

[Cogburn]

:lol:

You're so cute.

[Snow Crash]

:lol:

You're so cute.

:lol:

And you're a sad cunt.

[Cogburn]

There's really no point in discussing point-by-point exactly how sophomoric and myopic that rant is of which you are so proud, given that you'll just resort to some comment about how next my genitalia should be mutilated or some other stream of four lettered vitriol.

It's about all I expect anymore from folks who lives half their life on the internet.

So all you get is "you're cute"... like a sweet little puppy yapping at the heels of the big dogs.

[Snow Crash]

There's really no point in discussing point-by-point exactly how sophomoric and myopic that rant is of which you are so proud, given that you'll just resort to some comment about how next my genitalia should be mutilated or some other stream of four lettered vitriol.

Translation: "I was having a snipe, but I really have nothing to comment about. I was just being a dick, as is my style."

Oh and by the way, regarding your genitalia... from your postings on this site, its clearly you that is obsessed with your Weiner.


It's about all I expect anymore from folks who lives half their life on the internet.

Says the guy who wants so desperately to have the respect of all who witness his piss-ant antics online, and lashes out at those who see him from the pseudointellectual attention whore that he is? Haha, too funny.


So all you get is "you're cute"... like a sweet little puppy yapping at the heels of the big dogs.

Firstly, you're not a big dog, Cog. You never will be, so please, give it the rest with the big "I am" cos really, its fucking pathetic. What don't you get? You're not that special, you're certainly not as smart as you think you are, and you really need to stop trying to intimidate people over the net. It's laughable.

Secondly, if you had anything to say rather than being the snarky little pot of elephant jizzum that you are, then you'd have said it.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Indeed Snow.

I would like to say that I have several large boxes of pot noodles should anyone fancy a snack.

Also I will mostly (in the event of there being no food) be eating Chinese people, there's millions of them and like Anarch's deer no one will miss a few hundred!

Fox

[GeneralStriker]

Translation: "I was having a snipe, but I really have nothing to comment about. I was just being a dick, as is my style."cosigned, tovarish.

[Snow Crash]

Mmmmm... pot noodle! Plastic noodles! Student food! If the proverbial ever hits the fan, you better watch out fox, cos that kind of treasure trove is gonna get attacked by some Mad Max style arseholes in dune buggies.

[hp]

eating Chinese people

Real Chinese food or would that be Chinese leftovers.

[GeneralStriker]

Indeed Snow.

I would like to say that I have several large boxes of pot noodles should anyone fancy a snack.

Also I will mostly (in the event of there being no food) be eating Chinese people, there's millions of them and like Anarch's deer no one will miss a few hundred!

Fox
recipe' please.

[Cogburn]

Secondly, if you had anything to say rather than being the snarky little pot of elephant jizzum that you are, then you'd have said it.
A) I'm absolutely as smart as I think I am, and bear the accomplishments and accolades to prove it.
B) I am special.
C) It's not I who requires the internet for personal relationships because people find me just fine in real life. I don't think that's a discussion you really want to have.

I was who I was before I started posting here, and I will be who I am long after I stop.

The only thing that changes is the level to which you are permitted to share in the fun.

The world does not revolve around you and your interests alone, my friend. That was pretty much the whole problem with your infantile little rant. Thanks for taking the time to illustrate it further so I don't have to take the time to explain it.

Try not to be so butt-hurt that I don't consider your material worth further comment next time. Here's the worthwhile comment you so seek: next time try to post something better thought out.

[skunk]

Snow crash, what exactly is your objection to people sharing how they have prepared for a worst case scenario?

I don't think anyone has called for violent overthrow of any government. That's about the only reason you might want to keep your preparations off the radar.

[Snow Crash]

A) I'm absolutely as smart as I think I am, and bear the accomplishments and accolades to prove it.

You seem to mistake me for someone who cares? You're not impressive to me Cog. Get over it, please. If you want my respect, try not being a dickwad all your life. That tends to get you more respect in the real world than acting like a prick and spouting off about how smart you are.

You knew that, right?


B) I am special.

Pray tell what makes you special, Middle Management MSG Mason.


C) It's not I who requires the internet for personal relationships because people find me just fine in real life. I don't think that's a discussion you really want to have.

Haha, ooo, that was catty. And this just demonstrates how little information you actually have to utilise against me, in you resort to trying to score a hit by targeting my relationship with Chi. Is that really all you have? Are you just pissed off because you struggle for decent ammo, and have to resort to jibes about Chi and how 'smart' you are? Haha, that's so fucking pathetic. Sad little obsolete man...


I was who I was before I started posting here, and I will be who I am long after I stop

ie, a prick?


The only thing that changes is the level to which you are permitted to share in the fun.

Awww damn, you not gonna share your toys? WAAAAAHHHHH


The world does not revolve around you and your interests alone, my friend. That was pretty much the whole problem with your infantile little rant. Thanks for taking the time to illustrate it further so I don't have to take the time to explain it.

Riiiiiiiiiight, so yeah, I posted that because I want everyone to focus on what I want to talk about... methinks you typed that while looking in a mirror Cog. Try harder.


Try not to be so butt-hurt that I don't consider your material worth further comment next time. Here's the worthwhile comment you so seek: next time try to post something better thought out.

Honestly, I could care less of your opinion, something that seems to escape your feeble grasp on this thing called reality which you claim to be on good terms with. If it was not worth a comment, then any normal person would have ignored it. But as you're still sore from the Dresden thread, you felt you had to have a pop. And look! Once again, its blown up in your face.

[GeneralStriker]

people sharing how they have prepared for a worst case scenario?What specifically are you doing in preparation for the 'worst case scenario?'

[Snow Crash]

Snow crash, what exactly is your objection to people sharing how they have prepared for a worst case scenario?

I don't think anyone has called for violent overthrow of any government. That's about the only reason you might want to keep your preparations off the radar.

Call me old fashioned, but I believe in information hygiene when it comes to my personal safety and that of those around me. Posting shit on an open forum is not good practice, either doing so under your own steam or at the behest of another user.

[Cogburn]

You don't care SO MUCH that you took all the time and effort to just post that wall of text to tell me exactly how much you don't care.

You're cute.

[Jackinthebox]

I'm interested in knowing if any of you are doing any so-called stockpiling in the event of a national or global crisis. In the US, even our government asks us to do SOME preparation and storage of food/water, so this is not unreasonable (I'm not saying siding with the governments recommendations is always reasonable. ; ) ). See www.ready.gov (http://www.ready.gov)

Thanks for your input.

It is more important to learn skills that will make it easier to procure the resources you need to survive.

But if I were to try to prepare for an apocalypse, I would plan to arm and equip a platoon-sized element suitable for both raiding and defense of a secure location where subsistence could be sustainable.

[Snow Crash]

You don't care SO MUCH that you took all the time and effort to just post that wall of text to tell me exactly how much you don't care.

You're cute.

Love the way you edited out those bits of the story then Cog... I literally watched the screen change. Did you perhaps realise that the story is a... example? Fucking idiot LOL.

Oh, and I see you're running out of steam already. If you need to stop for breath, thats cool.

[Cogburn]

Oh, and I see you're running out of steam already. If you need to stop for breath, thats cool.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2lxasz9.jpg

Steam? I never even cranked the engine.

Just not worth it.

[GeneralStriker]

outa steam

[skunk]

Required reading (http://www.scribd.com/doc/387846/The-Anarchist-Cook-Book)

[GeneralStriker]

it's called premature ejaculation

[Snow Crash]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2lxasz9.jpg

Steam? I never even cranked the engine.

Just not worth it.

It was obviously worth you posting your snotty little snipe earlier Cog! Dontcha wanna play no more?

[GeneralStriker]

Required reading (http://www.scribd.com/doc/387846/The-Anarchist-Cook-Book)
required by whom?

[Snow Crash]

Crazy chefs, obviously.

[skunk]

Jesus.

[GeneralStriker]

It is more important to learn skills that will make it easier to procure the resources you need to survive.

But if I were to try to prepare for an apocalypse, I would plan to arm and equip a platoon-sized element suitable for both raiding and defense of a secure location where subsistence could be sustainable.That makes sense in twisted way.

[Snow Crash]

Jesus.

See? Jesus was a crazy chef. Loaves and fishes, yo!

[skunk]

Sucks to be in a nanny state. I guess you shouldn't be reading this if you live in the UK.

Boy in court on terror charges (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7030096.stm)

The 17-year-old, who was arrested in the Dewsbury area of West Yorkshire on Monday, was given bail after a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It is alleged he had a copy of the "Anarchists' Cookbook", containing instructions on how to make home-made explosives.

[GeneralStriker]

I agree. The guy was definitely not about big prep- at least in a material sense.

[Cogburn]

Required reading (http://www.scribd.com/doc/387846/The-Anarchist-Cook-Book)

The original will get you killed easily. I wonder how bad the 2000 version is, given it was edited together by USENET contributors or some shit.

[Snow Crash]

Sucks to be in a nanny state. I guess you shouldn't be reading this if you live in the UK.

Boy in court on terror charges (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7030096.stm)

The 17-year-old, who was arrested in the Dewsbury area of West Yorkshire on Monday, was given bail after a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It is alleged he had a copy of the "Anarchists' Cookbook", containing instructions on how to make home-made explosives.

I remember this story. Such a joke, really. If he was white, it wouldn't have been a news article. But hey, Muslims are the baddies these days...

[skunk]

The original will get you killed easily. I wonder how bad the 2000 version is, given it was edited together by USENET contributors or some shit.

Some of those things look pretty fun. I'll be staying away from the pipe bomb though.

[skunk]

Warning please understand that the information in this book is very dangerous so attempting to do anything in the anarchy cookbook can get you in to trouble with the law. Dont buy the book for bad intentions buy it for the simple fact its a book and an interesting read.

http://www.anarchycookbook.org/

[GeneralStriker]

You realy think it's a good idea to publish the ACB on Amkon?

[Jackinthebox]

That makes sense in twisted way.

Big enough to be formidable against small, unorganized groups. Big enough to get sizeable projects done. Small enough to be highly adaptable and mobile, even to the point of increasing lethality against a larger more cumbersome force. Also small enough to make sustainability more practical.

[GeneralStriker]

You're describing the guys in Idaho, Montana and Colorado. It's happening as we speak.

[Jackinthebox]

You're describing the guys in Idaho, Montana and Colorado. It's happening as we speak.

I do not talk about Colorado.

[WITCH HUNT]

I live just outside of New Orleans so we always have stuff on hand for hurricane season. Six 5-gallon jugs of drinking water, a 55 gallon drum of water for baths and cleaning, seven days of canned food, portable grill and a shitload of charcoal. A generator to run the freezers and ice makers. I can fish or hunt for fresh "groceries" if needed but my freezers are always full of deer, tuna, redfish and right now 2 really nice young pigs. Most important is to have several cans of gasoline on hand.

If you are talking about when things go bat-shit crazy, I pack up and head up to my family's farm. It's on a river and has a paddle wheel generator, as long as the river is flowing, we have power.

[GeneralStriker]

I do not talk about Colorado.hahahaha why not?

[Jackinthebox]

hahahaha why not?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/fight-club.jpg

[Hazelnut]

Its about time to rotate those stockpiles.