Apeci Wiki

[Gunter]

Well- here it is for all the Apeci fans who may have missed it. While it's been erased from the Amkon Wiki page it shall remain here for all to see:

Apeci was both loved and despised during his Amkon tenure. This poster was one of the few that loved him and miss his input. Although he preferred to define himself as a Proto-Libertarian, he was in reality a representative of that rarest of species: the 'Right Wing Jebby (RWJ). And like all intellectually curious RWJs he was brilliant, glib and brutally judgmental. He was also a self-taught tech maven, and during the time of his ascendancy as a quality poster he was a rarity at amkon. His obvious programming abilities were soon recognized by the Admin team and he was elevated to the position of Tech Mod- the position that Packblah now holds at the forum. Unfortunately he was also an inveterate tweaker. The board could always be improved by just one further leap into arcane code revision, thought he. General Striker mused about this dangerous type of obsession and the unintended but inevitable consequences:

When twinks and beads
don't shine enough and
Toyz and stuff ain't good enough-
Tinker and tweak as you will, boyz,
Tinker and tweak as you will.
And tinker and tweak the database he did. Continually. Until in the spring of 2009 came what the General has described as the GAC- the Great Amkon Colonic- during which almost half of the community's work product was unceremoniously disgorged into the eternal void with one final sweaty peck on the Save Key. This database debasement is now popularly know as The Apeci. Oh the humanity!

[pack3tg0st]

hahahahaha

You're making an ass out of yourself to everyone that has one micron of computer knowledge.

keep it up mang.

[Gunter]

Rest assured I will. This is my take on the episode posted for the enjoyment of the Amkon membership.

[skunk]

Your take is false though. Apeci's "tinkering" did not ruin the databse.

[pack3tg0st]

Rest assured I will. This is my take on the episode posted for the enjoyment of the Amkon membership.

hahaha ok...

I guess ignoring reality has become a way of life for some.

[Gunter]

In your opinion. But here it stays with no 'roll back.'

[mojo]

as the admin (as well as yo mama) that asked apeci to join the team i can categorically say that Apeci was never a tinkereer with the forum or the software at anytime, and always consulted myself before he touched anything of importance.
nor was he despised by the membership.
i'll fight for your right to post what you think happened but i'll be damned if i'll not call you out on bullshit when i see it.

[skunk]

In your opinion. But here it stays with no 'roll back.'

No, that's the facts.

There was a problem with the board software not properly backing up the database.

This is not my opinion, that's reality.

[Gunter]

Whatever you say. My view is different.

[skunk]

You can believe what you want, but you are wrong.

[pack3tg0st]

Your view is wrong.

But like I said... fuck it.

I don't care anymore.

[Gunter]

nor was he despised by the membership.He was indeed loved and despised by turns. By myself included. The reason was that he's a serious and learned man never shy about making his controversial and, at times, acerbic opinions known. And in that he was indeed a rarity- always his own man. Love him or hate him- he commanded respect.

[mojo]

you are so way off base about his perception among the members its not funny.
as well as the fact that the Apeci event wwas software related and had absolutely nothing to do with him "tinkering".
it may well be "your" perception of those events but it's a mile away from being the truth.

[Gunter]

Listen, monkey. my ideas are mine and yours are yours. i saw no reason to warren my opinion on Apeci. but if that's the nature of Wikipedia then so be it. i'm happy enough to post my opinions here. the only reason i added the edit to the wiki is because i figured i had a valid point a view. it was obviously posted as opinion and even included a fucking poem for crissakes. if my view-point doesn't belong in the wiki then so be it. i'll survive. but the wiki's gonna die from thirst.

[Gunter]

Your view is wrong.

But like I said... fuck it.

I don't care anymore.
If you think it's wrong then append your own rationale to it. prove that it's wrong- but don't just warren the fucking thing because it doesn't comport with popular opinion. that's the nature of a wiki discussion as far as i know. or at least that's how Amkoids should handle it.

[Paroxysm]

So moral of the story folks....PRACTICE disaster recovery procedures in place, to make sure they work....don't just assume because the tape pops out everyday, that anything got backed up even in the slightest.

[Gunter]

yeah- that's it. i just fleshed it out with a song and dance and a little seltzer down your pants. nothing wrong with that, is there?

[anarch]

BE, your a crybaby.

I have said all I need to say.

[Gunter]

And you're an asshat. And what ya got against apostrophes, anyway?

[mojo]

Listen, monkey. my ideas are mine and yours are yours. i saw no reason to warren my opinion on Apeci. but if that's the nature of Wikipedia then so be it. i'm happy enough to post my opinions here. the only reason i added the edit to the wiki is because i figured i had a valid point a view. it was obviously posted as opinion and even included a fucking poem for crissakes. if my view-point doesn't belong in the wiki then so be it. i'll survive. but the wiki's gonna die from thirst.

:P

never suggested your opinion should be removed, just that i thought it was a crock of shit. (from the point of view of someone who was intimately involved in working with apeci during that time).
but yeah it seems thats the way wiki works.

[KIWI]

I liked the Ape...... anyone with that much "copper" in their barrow ya gotta respect....

last I heard he'd moved to Canada, taking up Jess's offer of a 6 month "anal-inversion" course...

$20 says he"ll do it 3,....and drop a record moose in the bargain :)

[Bitchkoma]

i don't understand. there's an easy solution. put one of those banners like they have in wikipedia about neutrality, you know, that scales banner, see discussion for more details. then include both viewpoints or a compromise sentence. something along the lines of "while apeci was in no way caused by apeci tinkering with the boards innards, there are many who still hold on to that belief like a religion, in large part due to the extremely traumatic nature of the event."

and if there's any more issue fucking discuss it on the wiki, don't whine over here to rally and shit. what the fuck. go learn what the fuck wiki is about god damnit.

now worship me.

[mojo]

i don't understand. .

its amkon.

^shrugs^

nothing makes sense.

[anarch]

I offer you a sacrifice of American spirit tobacco.

[Gunter]

but yeah it seems thats the way wiki works. then it ain't my cup of tea. i'm at home in this format where i can be an irreverent curmudgeon and an annoying nose tweaker. hahaha

[Ducky]

there's an easy solution. put one of those banners like they have in wikipedia about neutrality, you know, that scales banner, see discussion for more details. then include both viewpoints or a compromise sentence.

I like that idea. Include opinions from others to dilute the biasness of one over the other.

For example: Apeci was never anything but sincere to me. Always the helpful sort. No matter how busy he was, he always took the time to assist myself and others. It's unfortunate that his screen name will forever be eptimized with something negative, like the 'Edsil' or 'Hindenburg'. But what's done is done. From now on in, let sleeping dogs lay. Learn from this experience and move on.

[Gunter]

i suggest this one-

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p180/metallica2k1/internet_serious_business.jpg

[Snow Crash]

mang.

Scarface?

[skunk]

i don't understand. there's an easy solution. put one of those banners like they have in wikipedia about neutrality, you know, that scales banner, see discussion for more details. then include both viewpoints or a compromise sentence. something along the lines of "while apeci was in no way caused by apeci tinkering with the boards innards, there are many who still hold on to that belief like a religion, in large part due to the extremely traumatic nature of the event."

and if there's any more issue fucking discuss it on the wiki, don't whine over here to rally and shit. what the fuck. go learn what the fuck wiki is about god damnit.

now worship me.

BK pack and I have been trying to explain what a wiki is for a few days now.

Folks still don't seem to understand.

[skunk]

If you think it's wrong then append your own rationale to it. prove that it's wrong- but don't just warren the fucking thing because it doesn't comport with popular opinion. that's the nature of a wiki discussion as far as i know. or at least that's how Amkoids should handle it.

We've proven it was wrong. You didn't have the intimate details of how the apeci went down, now you do.

Read the fucking wiki page for chrissakes.

[guinnessford]

til a few years ago i thought wiki was slang for a wicker chair.

[boycotteverything]

yeah- well it hasn't advanced much since those days either so it seems. hahaha

[guinnessford]

lerning iz funn

[boycotteverything]

We've proven it was wrong. keep repeating that shit long enough and you'll have yourself convinced.

[skunk]

Ok I'm done with you BE. You can play in your sandbox here, but don't expect me not to correct you on the wiki page.

Have fun living in lala land.

[guinnessford]

lala has her own place?

sweet!

i bet its nice!
now cant we all just get along?

[skunk]

I suggest everyone not familiar with what a wiki is read wikipedia's about page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About) and quit bitching about falsities being edited out when they are presented as absolute fact.

The ideal Wikipedia article is well-written, balanced, neutral, and encyclopedic, containing comprehensive, notable, verifiable knowledge.

Read: not 100% unverifiable biased opinion.

Don't like it? Don't write an article.

[Bitchkoma]

BE... usually I think you're very smart. This time I think you're just being a stubborn jackass.

[guinnessford]

but thats just b.e.

next

[skunk]

For those of you interested in reality.

http://wiki.amkon.net/index.php/The_Apeci

At the time, Amkon was running the phpbb3 forum software. There was an error present in the administrator control panel backup utility that caused the backup script to time-out while attempting to download a backup of the website database. This ultimately resulted in corrupt backup files.

Thus, when Apeci tried to restore from the corrupted backup file, only the 'uncorrupted' portion of the database was restored.

I believe that was pack who wrote that entry, as you can tell, a bit more "techy" heh.

http://wiki.amkon.net/index.php/Apeci

Apeci was wrongly blamed for causing The Apeci. Prior to a board upgrade, Apeci did what he was supposed to. He backed up the database, and began installing the new board software. He uploaded the database, but the backup was corrupt. This was an error within phpBB3, totally unrelated to Apeci.

Hostgator, Amkon's host at the time, was not properly backing up the database either, and we have been unable to recover the posts lost in The Apeci.

[boycotteverything]

hahaha pretty bland read there big guy. that'll attract the masses.

[skunk]

Its supposed to be factual, not sensationalist bullshit.

What you're looking for is encyclopedia dramatica (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Main_Page).

[boycotteverything]

yeah well- i'm partial to sound and fury. wiki is milquetoast.

[skunk]

Sorry if the facts are boring. Wiki isn't for you I guess.

[Kogburn]

I for one miss the ape man, as Ducky said he was always cordial.

[boycotteverything]

cordial to an extent. brutally truthful when required. he is pure Amkon.

[Cogburn]

Apeci was wrongly blamed for causing The Apeci. Prior to a board upgrade, Apeci did what he was supposed to. He backed up the database, and began installing the new board software. He uploaded the database, but the backup was corrupt. This was an error within phpBB3, totally unrelated to Apeci.

Hostgator, Amkon's host at the time, was not properly backing up the database either, and we have been unable to recover the posts lost in The Apeci.

WRONG.

Apeci tried to remove or disable the Smite mod, and every single post that had been smited was erased, which deleted the absolute best contributions from users for 18 months.

[skunk]

Lol. We lost the smites when we upgraded to vbulletin.

[guinnessford]

therefore, if apeci didnt hit a button, even to do what was right or asked of him, these posts would still be there??

soooo....an action from apeci made things go away?

seems like nobody is 100pct right in this fight then.
and nobody is 100pct wrong, either.

[Cogburn]

Lol. We lost the smites when we upgraded to vbulletin.

No dude, not the smites.

The posts that earned the smites have been gone since that fateful day in June.

[skunk]

therefore, if apeci didnt hit a button, even to do what was right or asked of him, these posts would still be there??

soooo....an action from apeci made things go away?

seems like nobody is 100pct right in this fight then.
and nobody is 100pct wrong, either.

No, the posts would be gone no matter what. The database backup was corrupt because the forum software would not allow us to download the entire database.

Actually...the posts might still be hidden away in the database somewhere, but the board cannot properly read them, so its as if they are gone.

[Cogburn]

Holy crap.

That is such bullshit.

We were there, in the chat room, when it happened.

[guinnessford]

gotcha.

but....it seems if you got really technical with the terminology, or it was court, ape would be the guilty party.
where the hell did he go anyways?

he have some kind of guilt from this?

doesnt really matter to me, he was cool and did his job finding good posts and relevant info on stuff.

[skunk]

Holy crap.

That is such bullshit.

We were there, in the chat room, when it happened.

http://amkon.net/forum-problems-t21313.html?t=21313

[Cogburn]

he have some kind of guilt from this?

More like avoidance of the massive amount of bullshit being thrown at him for it.

Kinda like when pack3tg0st offered to deleted warrenb's posts, although slightly lesser given that it was indeed unintentional.

[Cogburn]

http://amkon.net/forum-problems-t21313.html?t=21313

Yeah I know what was posted, however I was there and you are attempting to re-write history.

Apeci clicked something naughty and that screwed up the whole lot. It wasn't until the next day (when JT made that post) that it was discovered that the bad data bad been backed up (because it took too long to get anyone on the horn with access to it), so the previous night's backup was a no-go.

In the meanwhile, so much mucking about had been done with the site to try and fix it that any previous backup would also no longer work.

Three days later the only recourse was to put AmKon back online with giant swiss cheese holes in the threads.

[skunk]

This is from the admin forums:


No I'm actually coming to not trust any of the backups that are on the system. I just pulled a fresh new backup and it is 16 megs. The largest one on the system is 6 megs. I think the best thing to do now is to delete dead threads when they are encountered.

There was indeed a problem with the backups. I don't remember the particular update that was happening at the time, so its possible you are right it had to do with the smites.

[skunk]

And this is what the wiki is intended to be used for, an accurate history of events, not the bullshit BE posted.

If there is some inaccuracies in my statement, you can modify it to correctly fit reality.

[Cogburn]

The reason why the "fresh new backup" was fucked up is because it was made after the crash. We waited too long to pull the backup and the "good" one from prior to apeci's mucking about was overwritten. That's no one's fault but JTs: he was the only one with access and was unreachable.

Gah, I wish I could remember who else was in the chatroom when apeci was doing his thing. I want to say BK, but I don't think he dropped in until a few hours later.

[skunk]

Gah, I wish I could remember who else was in the chatroom when apeci was doing his thing. I want to say BK, but I don't think he dropped in until a few hours later.

This is easily verifiable information...Give me a little while.

[skunk]

You may be right cog. It wasn't the db itself, it was the backup at the time that was corrupt.


IN ADDITION:

Had the tech support at hostgator not given apeci and myself some bullshit information, we would have been able to perform a proper rollback with minimal loss. However, he had us looking in the wrong place until it was too late and the previous rollback (the "good" one) was replaced with one from after the problem occurred.

Jasn

Pack seems to think they were all corrupted though, all the way back to January.

[hp]

Hasn't the issue always been the backup was bad.

[skunk]

That's what its looking like.

[boycotteverything]

Yeah I know what was posted, however I was there and you are attempting to re-write history.

Apeci clicked something naughty and that screwed up the whole lot. It wasn't until the next day (when JT made that post) that it was discovered that the bad data bad been backed up (because it took too long to get anyone on the horn with access to it), so the previous night's backup was a no-go.

In the meanwhile, so much mucking about had been done with the site to try and fix it that any previous backup would also no longer work.

Three days later the only recourse was to put AmKon back online with giant swiss cheese holes in the threads.Well that pretty well proves that Skunk is a disingenuous fuck for warrening my Apeci wiki.

[skunk]

From the almighty pack:


remember there are two backups though...

our backup, which was corrupt from the software issue...

And the server side backup taken by the host.

our backups were worthless...

Hostgator was retarded and gave the bullshit information, and the server side backup (which would have been good... thats how I take backups now) was overwritten by bad data...

its not a matter of 1 backup...

Its a matter of our copies vs. the Hosts copies...

and the host was friggan tarded.

[boycotteverything]

And this is what the wiki is intended to be used for, an accurate history of events, not the bullshit BE posted.

If there is some inaccuracies in my statement, you can modify it to correctly fit reality.
NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IN BLACK AND WHITE WHAT A LYING PRICK YOU ARE.

[skunk]

Poor apeci.

http://amkon.net/showpost.php?p=238238&postcount=133


After many hours of tirelessly laboring at my keyboard to figure out what the fuck happened

this is my official conclusion concerning the events of whenever the fuck this happened

"during the mod it appeared the sql server had in fact crashed. I was in the middle of chatting with tech support to get my wtf answered when it came back on and they didn't know what was going on. I therefore deem it possible that the sql server was in the process of choking on its own vomit when I asked it to provide me with a backup and it didn't quite get it all out."
- Lord and High Master Apeci, 12 May 2009

[boycotteverything]

Yeah I know what was posted, however I was there and you are attempting to re-write history.

Apeci clicked something naughty and that screwed up the whole lot....just as I stated in my Wiki edit...

[skunk]

The database backup "program" in the admin control panel was corrupt because it would time out after so long, and not save the entire database.

That was how we were backing up the database at the time.

The database backup "program" in the cpanel was not corrupt, however we had not been backing the forum up that way, hence the loss of posts.

cog may be right that apeci was upgrading the smite software at the time, I don't remember what particular upgrade was going on, but that's the truth.

The ACP backup was corrupt, the cpanel backup (from hostgator) was not.

But since hostgator royally fucked us, and did not help us out in time, the cpanel backed up the corrupted ACP backup we had "rolled back" to.

[boycotteverything]

And this is what the wiki is intended to be used for, an accurate history of events, not the bullshit BE posted.

If there is some inaccuracies self serving lies in my statement , you can modify it to correctly fit reality.
fixt

[boycotteverything]

and so- to make a long story short- this is what happened-


Well- here it is for all the Apeci fans who may have missed it. While it's been erased from the Amkon Wiki page it shall remain here for all to see:

Apeci was both loved and despised during his Amkon tenure. This poster was one of the few that loved him and miss his input. Although he preferred to define himself as a Proto-Libertarian, he was in reality a representative of that rarest of species: the 'Right Wing Jebby (RWJ). And like all intellectually curious RWJs he was brilliant, glib and brutally judgmental. He was also a self-taught tech maven, and during the time of his ascendancy as a quality poster he was a rarity at amkon. His obvious programming abilities were soon recognized by the Admin team and he was elevated to the position of Tech Mod- the position that Packblah now holds at the forum. Unfortunately he was also an inveterate tweaker. The board could always be improved by just one further leap into arcane code revision, thought he. General Striker mused about this dangerous type of obsession and the unintended but inevitable consequences:
Quote:
When twinks and beads
don't shine enough and
Toyz and stuff ain't good enough-
Tinker and tweak as you will, boyz,
Tinker and tweak as you will.
And tinker and tweak the database he did. Continually. Until in the spring of 2009 came what the General has described as the GAC- the Great Amkon Colonic- during which almost half of the community's work product was unceremoniously disgorged into the eternal void with one final sweaty peck on the Save Key. This database debasement is now popularly know as The Apeci. Oh the humanity!

[guinnessford]

in the interest of just moving on, cant we just poot an asterisk next to it or a footnote or something?

even if it was written in stone, some peoples recollection of events will never be the same as others it looks like.

we are all friends here, and do you really think that if a newbie comes here it will matter what apeci means, besides some shit disappeared and will never come back?

[Gunter]

everyone's view of history is different. there is no objective truth.

[guinnessford]

exactly what i mean, so after 8 pages and seeing both sides measure up fairly evenly, cant we just go get dinner and place a footnote there?

[KIWI]

everyone's view of history is different. there is no objective truth.


Herman Goering~Nuremburg 1945

[lala]

Isn't it funny, we're arguing over something that happen a year,year and a half ago, with mix takes . . . what chance does history have !:D
O and for the record I liked Apeci . . . He just like giving shit, and he did it so well :pound:

[skunk]

everyone's view of history is different. there is no objective truth.

In this case, the truth of the matter is this:

The database backup "program" in the admin control panel was corrupt because it would time out after so long, and not save the entire database.

That was how we were backing up the database at the time.

The database backup "program" in the cpanel was not corrupt, however we had not been backing the forum up that way, hence the loss of posts.

cog may be right that apeci was upgrading the smite software at the time, I don't remember what particular upgrade was going on, but that's the truth.

The ACP backup was corrupt, the cpanel backup (from hostgator) was not.

But since hostgator royally fucked us, and did not help us out in time, the cpanel backed up the corrupted ACP backup we had "rolled back" to.

[Cogburn]

I kinda dig how the wiki has inspired investigation of AmKon's very own conspiracy.

[hp]

My memory is that there was an upgrade in progress which was to require restoring the DB. It was to be OK as a backup was made. The rest is history...

[KIWI]

My memory is ........

whatever BE decides it will be :)

[skunk]

I kinda dig how the wiki has inspired investigation of AmKon's very own conspiracy.

Amen.

[hp]

Cool, saves me from having to store thoughts.

[guinnessford]

please move on everyone!
hate seeing the best minds i know dribble over this crap.

im sure theres better things to do, and we all need to prepare for the super bowl doom!

[skunk]

please move on everyone!
hate seeing the best minds i know dribble over this crap.

im sure theres better things to do, and we all need to prepare for the super bowl doom!

Actually I'm glad this was brought up as I was able to remember a larger portion of the story.

The chat logs look like they're gone, so there's no way to find out what apeci was saying at the time of the actual database error unfortunately.

I'm sure BK and Jasn could corroborate the story regarding our problems with phpBB3 backups in the ACP.

[guinnessford]

im glad i know the full history now, too, like i said i was under the impression it was just something he did on accident, i always knew it wasnt something he did on purpose.

kinda sucks he aint around anymore.

[skunk]

Some of us had been taking backups from the ACP, apeci included. I didn't realize they were incomplete, apparently none of us did.

We figured out the problem later on, I think it may have been long after the apeci event till we realized the ACP was bugged.

I'm not positive when we found out there was a problem with the forum software...

[skunk]

The reason why the "fresh new backup" was fucked up is because it was made after the crash. We waited too long to pull the backup and the "good" one from prior to apeci's mucking about was overwritten. That's no one's fault but JTs: he was the only one with access and was unreachable.

This is true, and exactly what I was saying in regards to the ACP/cpanel backup issue.

I guess Jasn didn't know he had to backup the DB via cpanel :D

[skunk]

whatever BE decides it will be :)

He's welcome to believe what he wants, that doesn't make it the truth.

[lala]

He's welcome to believe what he wants, that doesn't make it the truth.


Do you think ;) lol

[guinnessford]

ahem....saints by 3, close all the way and alot of injuries.

maybe even a backup quaterback coming in.

[Bitchkoma]

I'm sure BK and Jasn could corroborate the story regarding our problems with phpBB3 backups in the ACP.

Yup I had to download it 4 times, it kept timing out. And the last copy I had also seemed to have plenty of entries that were empty, just "", "", "",""... strangest thing.

[skunk]

Yup I had to download it 4 times, it kept timing out. And the last copy I had also seemed to have plenty of entries that were empty, just "", "", "",""... strangest thing.

BE's gonna cry.

[boycotteverything]

Amen.
Yeah I know what was posted, however I was there and you are attempting to re-write history.

[skunk]

So now BK's a liar?

[skunk]

For those with eyes:

http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/phpbb3/ticket.php?ticket_id=20325

ACP backup system does not backup all tables although selected.

Its a known bug.

[mojo]

the point is moot in the end because if it hadn't been for Apeci intervening during the Beaver episode there wouldn't have been a forum 12 months later.