The Great Pyramid. WHAT DOES IT DO!?!?!

[anarch]

OK this is a side passion of mine (Like many of my side passions. This one is YEARS old)

The great pyramid. It is a water pump. But it is more too. Edward Kunkle was the first to propose the Great Pyramid as a water pump.

Here is a GIF image of how it basically pumps water. The design has been re-created and tweaked a number of times but never fully reproduced due to a lack of understanding about the grand galley or the Vacuum tube.

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/epumpinfo.gif

This guy is working hard on it http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html (Warning his site takes forever to load on my DSL connection) He has made some of the best pumps so far but their is still the missing grand galley link.

This site loads faster and also has detailed info on the great pyramid and how water was utilized in its construction and how it functions as a pump. http://www.linux-host.org/energy/ebuilt2.html (It loads ALOT faster)

Here http://www.ianjamescolmer.com/pyramid.htm We have the theory that the chambers are really a Dual Chamber system and I think this theory has the most merit.

http://www.ianjamescolmer.com/dual.jpg



However.......

There is the grand Galley issue and this is the issue that has plagued my thoughts.


The TOP of the grand galley entering the kings chamber. You can see the galley has holes for sprockets or cogs.

http://www.hunkler.com/pyramids/r18_86.gif



From the bottom entering the queens chamber.
http://www.crystalinks.com/gg.gif


A picture of the holes in question.
http://www.greatpyramidexplanation.com/easyUp/image//great_pyramid_40.jpg


WHAT WENT INTO THESE HOLES?! A gear of some type obviously but for what purpose?!?!

There is also the center niche to consider.

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/egypt/studyguide/jpgs/grand_gallery_south_sect.jpg

In the middle of the Grand Galley chamber their is a center niche which suggests whatever those gears moved used the center niche as a guide of some kind.... You know, like a slide.


This is a complicated mystery. Not a tomb of that their is no doubt. A water pump... But more too. Most likely they were utilizing Massive pressures to capitalize on piezoelectricity and we can deduce that from the quartz limestone of the kings chamber. Still what of the grand Galley? Were the gears for a simple stopper? If the dual chamber theory is correct then would it of functioned like a two stroke piston engine one instead of using a dynamo and internal combustion we would be using Water pressure and piezoelectricity...

And how was the electricity transmitted? Just directly through the air like tesla wanted for our grid? And for what would they of utilized electricity for?

IS the Djhad real? Just how advanced were those pyramid builders? And why don't the current archeologists want the real answers instead of what the current field of egyptology pushes?...

I digress.

The Grand Galley! That is the point of my rambling here. What did it house? What did it move? And what happened to the Gears?

[anarch]

Two more pics for better grand galley understanding


queens chamber
http://pymd.com/Queens-Chamber-Khufu-Pyramid.jpg

kings chamber
http://pymd.com/Kings-Chamber-Cheops-Pyramid-4.jpg

[Jackinthebox]

Interesting.

I like the story of the guy who got electrocuted standing at the top, supposedly from some sort of mysterious power generated by the pyramid itself. Supposedly enough to light up a light bulb held by hand. Or something like that. I can't really remember the whole story.

[Royal]

It was a giant washing machine.

All the people complained how dusty they they got in the middle of a desert so they rallied together and built a huge washing machine.

[anarch]

Interesting.

I like the story of the guy who got electrocuted standing at the top, supposedly from some sort of mysterious power generated by the pyramid itself. Supposedly enough to light up a light bulb held by hand. Or something like that. I can't really remember the whole story.

And that lends some credence that their might be a whole nother batch of chambers yet to discover. In fact they might be the positive terminal chambers. And they might still be semi functional but with no battery to charge the energy created would just dissipate having no place to store the charge...Unless of course the charge gets routed through you.

[lala]

Have you read http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H1WZTWHSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/0892811064/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books)

[anarch]

I have not.

[Mungodave]

My father built a pyramid to the exact specs in that book, sat a blunt razor blade in the dead centre pointing to magnetic north/south and after 4 days, hey presto, sharp blade.

Mungo

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[Lexion]

I might do an extensive reply
to this, tomorrow.

Then again, I might not.

[anarch]

ok.

[Lexion]

Dude.

My interests fluctuate.

I'll look into it.

Though, I've heard a few
theories involving water.

"They floated the blocks
up the sides, using locks
and dams".

Yeah.

That construction would have
been larger than the actual
pyramid.

Like I said, I'll look into it.

[anarch]

Um...Ok feel free.

[Cogburn]

I'm not one for the lock theory, either.

What's being suggested is that the quartz in one of the chambers was being subjected to periodic compression via the hydraulic system, thereby generating a current.

Tesla's design emitted waves in rapid succession at a specific rate which would re-enforce the previous wave as it circled the earth. Once the wave reached a particular magnitude, the theory was that its energy could then be utilized to power appliances and what not.

What's missing from the equation in respect to the Pyramid would be the appliances, or traces of them. Beyond the depictions of djhad pillars, are signs of the practical or religious application of the technology?

There in lies the problem with such theories.

[anarch]

regardless people have been building new water pumps based on the Pyramid design.

[Lexion]

Anarch.....you are a glutton
for punishment.

:)

[anarch]

I suppose but what I am really looking for is a grand galley answer.

Just what the fuck goes in those damn holes? And the slide. What moved on the inside groove of the slide?

[Lexion]

I suppose but what I am really looking for is a grand galley answer.

Just what the fuck goes in those damn holes? And the slide. What moved on the inside groove of the slide?

I too am inquisitive.

And Hawass is a liar.

Water pump ?

Not so much.

[Cogburn]

regardless people have been building new water pumps based on the Pyramid design.

I could use my shirt as a turban, but it doesn't make it a turban.

Ever heard of the old IT urban legend of the user who utilized the CD-ROM as a drink tray?

What you suggest is not an argument on the nature of the creation itself, only to that which we have been able to employ it with our limited understanding.

[anarch]

It doesn't help to further our understanding by basing our understanding of it on a few vandalized hieroglyphics.

[Cogburn]

And Hawass is a liar.
Worse than a liar, Hawass ignores evidence for the sake of his own career, which he has built upon establishing an argument by false dilemma regarding the true nature of the early Egyptian dynasties.

A fucking tool brought to fame by Art Bell because Hawass likes to tell people "no".

[Cogburn]

It doesn't help to further our understanding by basing our understanding of it on a few vandalized hieroglyphics.

Uhhh.. no one suggested that, quite the opposite in fact.

If the Pyramids were used to generate electricity as you suggest, where are the remnants, depictions or writings that illustrate or infer such things existed?

Other than wild speculations on the nature of the djahd pillars, that is. That is to say, there's nothing in evidence that connects the djahd to the Great Pyramid.

[anarch]

Neither of you to think the damn think was built to support bible prophecy or point at star constellations do ya?

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/sued1_big.jpg

Before you do it.

[Cogburn]

That's not a djed (we've been spelling it wrong) pillar, Lex. What ever that thing is is what rests upon it in other depictions.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/fd_djedaussen.jpg

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_89.2.539.jpg

Stellar alignments of the pyramids to the belt of Orion are not accurate and do not match. I can dig up the science to support that if you'd like.

[Cogburn]

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/1460865.jpg

[anarch]

Uhhh.. no one suggested that, quite the opposite in fact.

If the Pyramids were used to generate electricity as you suggest, where are the remnants, depictions or writings that illustrate or infer such things existed?

Other than wild speculations on the nature of the djahd pillars, that is. That is to say, there's nothing in evidence that connects the djahd to the Great Pyramid.

Meh... My thoughts are open... Someone else suggested piezoelectricity to me based on the make up of the stones in the kings chamber.

It sounds reasonable but if such is the case how would such electricity be transmitted.

You wonder about what things they may of used the electricity for too. I wonder the same. I also wonder if anything that did use electricity would survive 5000 to 6000+ years intact? Maybe... The Baghdad batteries survived but people have trouble agreeing on what they are and what they may of been used for.

But we get ahead of ourselves.

What goes into the holes and slide of the Grand Galley?

[Cogburn]

Still ahead of yourself.

What was the Grand Galley used for, itself?

Further still... what was the Pyramid's purpose?

[anarch]

Still ahead of yourself.

What was the Grand Galley used for, itself?

Further still... what was the Pyramid's purpose?

Indeed. Well What is it NOT for?

It is not a tomb. It is not a gigantic bible code. It is not the worlds largest astrolabe.

I am of the mind that it pumped water. That is my supposition. Seriously, Plumbing is cool. Pneumatics is a fascinating subject.

TO continue: But for what purpose? What was the water pumped used for? Just to expand the amount of available fresh water? Possible but I do think their is more to it. Before I can get there I must go through the Grand Galley. The Vacuum tube.

Something moved along that slide. Something went into the holes.

And I do not believe yokes and pulleys cut the mustard. If that is the case we might as well believe hundred thousand slaves used a ramp and subsisted on mana from heaven.

No those are gear holes. And that center groove is a slide. Something went up and down in the grand galley.

It could of just been a plug for the kings chamber to change the pressure to open up the queens chamber?

It may of been something more... don't know.

[torbjon]

hmmm... how can we drive future people crazy? I know, let's build a massive pile of rock that God himself couldn't even move, fill it with some funky chambers and hallways that almost, but not quite, make sense. Let's make it quite clear that we Could perfectly align this 'thing' to some stars, but let's be off just a bit to further cloudy the issue. Let's build other piles of rocks and festoon them with artwork and writings but leave this one Void of art and inscriptions. Let's make this one look like the others on the Outside, but with radical differences on the inside to add to the confusion. Ya baby, let's totally fuck with those 'clever' people in the future, he hee heee...

Cog, asking the "purpose" of the Great Pyramid is a good question, but kinda lame too, don'tcha think? I mean, what's the "purpose" of the Eiffel Tower? to house a restaurant at the top? a tourist attraction? because we're French? art for the sake of art? all of the above? none of the above? other?

The pump idea doesn't fly with me... it may have been designed for that, but if it was ever actually used for that there would be Geological (not archaeological) evidence in the rock that any first year geology student would recognize Without taking a hammer to the rock. Water is some of THE most corrosive stuff on the planet...

[anarch]

there would be Geological (not archaeological) evidence in the rock that any first year geology student would recognize Without taking a hammer to the rock. Water is some of THE most corrosive stuff on the planet...

LOL. Geologists and Egyptologists do not get along at all. Egyptology says one thing and the rock hound looks at the rock and sees another. The geological evidence is there. Egyptologists say

:lalala:

[Bitchkoma]

The pump idea doesn't fly with me... it may have been designed for that, but if it was ever actually used for that there would be Geological (not archaeological) evidence in the rock that any first year geology student would recognize Without taking a hammer to the rock. Water is some of THE most corrosive stuff on the planet...

Yeah I was thinking that too. I never heard any talk about water erosion inside the Pyramids.

[lala]

There water eroison down the sphinx back . . . :D

[Cogburn]

Cog, asking the "purpose" of the Great Pyramid is a good question, but kinda lame too, don'tcha think? I mean, what's the "purpose" of the Eiffel Tower? to house a restaurant at the top? a tourist attraction? because we're French? art for the sake of art? all of the above? none of the above? other?
Lame, perhaps, but certainly better than starting in the middle as one might do by asking the purpose of an individual facet of the structure.


And I do not believe yokes and pulleys cut the mustard. If that is the case we might as well believe hundred thousand slaves used a ramp and subsisted on mana from heaven.

No those are gear holes. And that center groove is a slide. Something went up and down in the grand galley.

That's all fine an dandy, however you assume usage based upon modern context without a single shred of evidence to do so. One cannot even conceive as to how such a structure was built, much less the purpose or intent of uniform carvings upon the inside.

It's an intriguing theory, but no more factually supported than the assertion that the entire thing was built by aliens from Omicron Persei VIII.

http://futurama.sk/postavy/img/lrr.jpg

[torbjon]

there's geological evidence which states that the Inside of the great pyramid was filled with water? I'd be interested in seeing that...

Anarch, you're saying that there were some sort of Gears inside the Grand Gallery, yes? And the teeth of these gears went into the rectangular 'holes' on the floor of either side of the Grand Gallery, correct?

we're talking about This grand gallery and These rectangular holes, yes?

http://www.solomonseries.com/freedo29.jpg

if so, then, Do The Math, dude. Be smarter than them 'deny our existence' nutjobs.

I'm not finding a good picture to take measurements off of, and my connection Sucks Shit right now or I'd poke around more... find a blueprint of the thing that is accurate and to scale. Actually measure the distance between each and every hole. Are they Really equidistant? They would Have to be for a gear to work, yes? Next, how big around would this gear have to be, how many teeth would it have to have, etc. to do what you think it should do. Next, would such a gear actually FIT there? The holes are right up against the wall, but the wall slopes inward with each and every tier (each block moves inwards a few inches, like a staircase)

http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/images/great_pyramid/great_pyramid_24.jpg

How big around would this gear have to be? Would it even fit or would the tiers a few levels up force the gear to move inwards?

IF the gear has to move inwards a bit in order to not hit the protruding rock above, then Why are the holes flush with the base wall? IF the gears have to be at an angle in order to make this puppy fly, then why are the 'gear holes' NOT at a corresponding angle? At a glance it seems like the holes are plumb (square to the earth)

Lastly, what does the Geological evidence say? You're talking about a massive machine with moving parts.... moving parts, no matter how perfect or how well lubricated create Friction, and friction leaves some pretty easy to see evidence... which I've never heard about (and that doesn't mean squat other than I've never heard about it)

seems to me that the first thing to do is to find some good blueprints of the thing and start taking your own measurements...

[torbjon]

Cog: I hear you, and agree, to a degree, but also think it's kind of a silly thing to spend too much time pondering when applied to certain subjects... Like, the "purpose" of the Empire State Building is to be taller than the Chrysler Building. The Empire People actually changed their design plans when they learned that the Chrysler People had added a spire to the top of their building that would make it so many feet taller than their original plans. It's Sole "purpose" is to "BE BIGGER".

It's Function, on the other hand, has absolutely nothing to do with it's purpose... it's function is just another block of offices open to anyone who can afford the rent. Nothing very big and mystical and grandiose about that, is there?

Old school architecture fascinates the hell out of me... especially the megalithic stuff... I have my doubts that us digital watch / cell phone carrying "brainiacs" will ever be smart enough to figure out their 'true' purpose/function.

[anarch]

Well thats not entirely accurate now is it? We know the base was leveled by water.

As for water erosion on the inside? You should check out the bottom inlet.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramide/piramide11_15.jpg

Their are also some examples in the bowl..

Crap I been slacking!

[Cogburn]

@torb: Fair enough. In fact, your arguments outweigh mine, entirely.

A gear wheel large enough for the teeth to fit in those holes requires a diameter wider than that of the chamber itself, and I don't need to do any measurements for that: one can eyeball that much.

+1 for you.

[mojo]

fucking spoilsports the pair of ya....i was enjoying thinking about what the purpose of the damn thing could have been. :)

i don't go for the water pump hypothesis either but there is something distinctly strange about the whole thing.
wouldn't you just ;love to get into the archives of hawass's shit that he won't allow to be released.
who knows what stuff he's got put away.

i do tend to think that there is something to an alignment theory, i just don't think the alignment has anything to do with stars or constellations.
the alignment has a much more earthly connection i believe.

[KIWI]

my day isnt complete if I dont bring BC kicking and screaming into an Amkon debate :)





My research has led me to believe that the Great Pyramid, particularly, was constructed for a definite scientific purpose. The exact purpose is not yet clear, although the mathematics show that the fundamental measurement throughout the structure is based on the harmonic frequency of light.


Calculations also indicate that the passageways and chambers have been engineered in such a way as to form wave guides and cavity resonators which are tuned to light, mass and gravitational frequencies. What could be the meaning of this? A cosmic telephone box, a matter-transmitter, a powerhouse?


Much research will have to be carried out to find the answer but I believe, at least, that the code of the construction has been ! I was recently sent a copy of an article from the 23 August 1972 issue of the Toronto Star. This concerns the theories expounded on the structure of pyramids by Eric McLuhan, son of Marshall McLuhan and an electronics specialist at St Michael's College, which appear to agree with what I have found by calculation.


The article describes Eric as an "intellectual gymnast who effortlessly straddles several academic disciplines at once and feels as comfortable exploring wave mechanics or nuclear physics as he does the work of the French symbolist poets. He is outrageous, arrogant, brilliant, and one minute you decide he is a genius or the next that he has slipped slightly round the bend."McLuhan says that "pyramids do something.


They are not just glorified tombstones, as many of the early pyramids show no evidence of burial. A cardboard pyramid of the right dimensions—the same dimensions as the Great Pyramid of Cheops—is capable of sharpening a dull razorblade placed
inside it, or of dehydrating meat. Researchers in Czechoslovakia, the USA and elsewhere have satisfied themselves that the pyramid's shape, in some way that we don't understand, acts as a device for manipulating forms of energy that modern science hasn't yet defined.


But how?"When McLuhan saw a photograph of the bent pyramid at Danshur, he considered it to be a two-frequency octahedron and the'fact that Egyptian priests in ancient times had used the same geometric concept set him thinking. He says "the reason the pyramids have remained an enigma is the separation betweendisciplines.


If an archaeologist knows nothing about electronics, he is not likely to see that the pyramids were tools; a sophisti­cated piece of technology."To test his theories he farmed out several experimental pyramids to scientists in Toronto, Hamilton and Ottawa. One is dehydrating food, one is sharpening razorblades, and in a third they're experimenting with semiconductors—the crystalline electronic components that are the basic building-blocks of modern miniaturised electronics.


McLuhan speculates that the semiconductors grown inside the pyramid could be the most efficient ever known because they have been grown in a magnet­ically pure environment.He theorises that as the transistor manipulates electrons, so ' the pyramid can focus, or deploy, the forces of magnetism and gravity.


The dehydration and edge-sharpening effects are explained in terms of. wave mechanics. Oxygen atoms behave differently inside different magnetic fields. Magnetism can affect the way they bond with, or dissociate from, other elements.


Since the razor's edge is composed of metal oxides, and since oxygen atoms depart during the dehydration process, McLuhan suspects that a coherent magnetic field inside the pyramid may be the explanation. "The pyramid is a resonating cavity," he says, "just like a trumpet, a cyclotron or a hi-fi speaker."Another interesting article which points to the fact that the pyramid shape sets up some type of electromagnetic or gravitational force was published by the London Times on 14 July 1969.


The article written by John Tunstall says, in part Scientists who have been trying to X-ray the pyramid ofChephren at Giza, near Cairo, are baffled by mysteriousinfluences that are throwing into utter confusion the readingsof their space-age electronic equipment.


For twenty-four hours a day for more than a year, in the hopes of finding secret chambers thought to exist within the six-million-ton mass of the pyramid, they have been recording on magnetic tape the pattern of cosmic rays reaching the interior.


The idea is that as the rays strike the pyramid uniformly from all directions, they should, if the pyramid is solid, be recorded uniformly by a detector in the chamber at the But if there were vaults above the detector, they would let more rays through than the solid areas, thereby revealing their existence.


More than one million dollars and thousands of manhours have been spent on the project, which was expected to reach a climax a few months ago when the latest IBM 1120 computer was delivered to Ein Shams university near CairoAt Ein Shams, Dr Amr Gohed, in charge of the installation at the pyramid, showed me the new IBM 1120 computer surrounded by hundreds of tins of recordings from the pyramid, stacked up in date order.


Though hesitant at first, he told me of the impasse that had been reached"It defies all the known laws of science and electronics," he said, picking up a tin of recordings. He put the'tape through the computer which traced the pattern of cosmic ray particles on paper. He then selected a recording made the next day and put it through the computer.


But the recorded pattern was completely different."This is scientifically impossible," he told me. . . I asked Dr Gohed, "Has this scientific knowledge been rendered useless by some forces beyond man's comprehension?"He hesitated before replying, then said: "Either the geometry of the pyramid is in substantial error, which would affect our readings, or there is a mystery which is beyond explanation—call it what you will—occultism, the curse of the Pharaohs, sorcery, or magic—there is some force that defies the laws of science at work in the pyramids!"


This particular research project was sponsored by the US Atomic Energy Commission, the Smithsonian Institute, and the Ein- Shams University in Cairo.It is obvious that knowledge of vast importance to mankind is locked up in the secrets of the pyramids and the very word pyramid should give us the first clue. The literal meaning is "fire in the middle".


On page 86 of The Great Pyramid—Its Divine Message, by D. Davidson and H. Aldersmith, another deriva­tion of the word is given: pyramid is the G recianised form of the Hebrew uirim-tniddin—"light measures".


The Egyptian name for the Great Pyramid is Khitti—"th& Lights". In the Semitic languages the equivalent name is urirn—"the Lights". .In Phrygian and Greek, the root ur(light) became successively pur and pyr (fire) and pyra (plural), "beacon fires".In Chaldee and Hebrew middln equals "measures". Hence the Chaldee-Hebrew name for the Great Pyramid—in, Egyptian Khtifi, "the Lights", is Urim-middin (purim-middin) or "lights-measures".


I found some more interesting facts in a pamphlet written in 1972 by a Mr G. Patrick Flanagan, Ph.D., on "The Pyramid and its Relationship to Biocosmic Energy". Mr Flanagan was cited in two pages for his scientific and inventive genius, some years ago, in a Life magazine article which named 100 of the most important young people in the United States in government, science, space, business, education, religion and the arts.


They were called "the takeover generation".Mr Flanagan states that the Great Pyramid of Giza is a powerful source of biocosmic energy. He calls this particular Held of science Magnetic Form Resonance and says that his research results confirm that the energy is of a special magnetic nature—the forces that bind the universe together. Energies of microcosmic levels may be tuned in with microcosmic devices such as the pyramid. "The pyramid generates millimicrowaveor nanowave radiation by the simple fact that it has five corners —the four base corners plus the apex.


The corners are in effect a type of nanowave radiator. The radiation from the molecules or the atoms of matter in the pyramid combine by the angles of the corners into a beam which bisects the angles and transmits a beam of this radiation towards the centre of the pyramid.

[Hazelnut]

I might do an extensive reply
to this, tomorrow.

Then again, I might not.

I giggled. :popcorn:

[GeneralStriker]

my day isnt complete if I dont bring BC kicking and screaming into an Amkon debate :)no wonder they burnt the guy's books. jesus...

[KIWI]

no wonder they burnt the guy's books. jesus...


its a fairly standard reaction when they find a researcher who's getting too close...

I notice they are still using pages from that epic "work" you pulished in '75 ( " Dead Cats Dont Purr" : "a history of plastic bag manufacture and distribution in the greater Colorado region...")

...for arse-wipe in the "trainee's" toilet block at Langley.....nice:nuts2:

[boycotteverything]

" Dead Cats Dont Purr" : "a history of plastic bag manufacture and distribution in the greater Colorado region..."jesus h christ.. i can't believe someone actually read that. plastic bags sure did catch on though, ya gotta admit!

[lala]

But weren't you ment to be Mr Green . . . :D

[hp]

Could it actually be...

...the installation at the pyramid, showed me the new IBM 5100 computer surrounded by hundreds of tin foil hats stacked up in hat size order.

Anyway,

Remember to big debate over the fact the the dimensions contained PI. But then Japanese researchers showed that a wheel was probably used to make the measurements when laying out the pyramid.

[KIWI]

But then Japanese researchers showed that a wheel was probably used to make the measurements when laying out the pyramid.


handy things.....wheels

[Lexion]

handy things.....wheels

No wheel needed.

Just an arc.

No, not the Biblical Ark.

Fixed point, and a bit of string.

[KIWI]

No wheel needed.

Just an arc.

No, not the Biblical Ark.

Fixed point, and a bit of string.

dead right Lex....the "invention" of the wheel is perhaps the most overrated non-event in human history

nature has produced its form in a million differernt examples, and for those that would not make the connection, they soon do once this baby pulls up at their front door:shortbus:

[Ducky]

Now where was I reading up on ...no WAIT.. it was on the tube; probably discovery channel, and the archeologists where mentioning that if it took around 20 yrs to make the great pyramid, the workers would have to placing stones in place - one every 9 seconds.

I've heard so many theories about the pyramids useage. Started off learning in school that it was a 'tribute/monument' to was it KUFU or CHEOPS. One or the other. Somebody found a hiroglyph of his name somewhere inside the pyramid. Zahi Huwas (sp?) was looking for what he believed to be a 'repository of knowledge' that was supposedly inside the Sphinx.

Then I heard that the pyramid was to be the entombment of a pharoah. And just like Jodie Foster in the movie 'Contact', "What a great waste of space." All those stones to put in place for someone's ego is more like it. Forever epitomized.

But still, I thinking it was much more than the theories/examples I've given.

For one thing, what a fantastically strategic spot to erect a pyramid in the first place! If you check out on google maps, you'll find that these monuments are pretty much in the EXACT centre of the longitude/latitude meridian (where both lines meet on the eastern hemisphere/mabey the whole world?)

All three structures are perfectly aligned with the north/south/east/west axie.

The openings (conduits?) on the sides supposedly point to a constellation - if one were to rewind time to the supposed era of when these pyramids where constructed, they point to Orion. And the Spinx was supposedly created and would have aligned with the constellation LEO at the time. Anywhere between 10,500 - 12,000 yrs ago.

[hp]

The wheel was a distance measuring device, much like used today to roll over a distance and yield a length. Not laying out circles.

[KIWI]

The wheel was a distance measuring device, much like used today to roll over a distance and yield a length. Not laying out circles.


peg ,string, axle, wheel, circle ?

[torbjon]

Now where was I reading up on ...no WAIT.. it was on the tube; probably discovery channel, and the archeologists where mentioning that if it took around 20 yrs to make the great pyramid, the workers would have to placing stones in place - one every 9 seconds.

I've heard so many theories about the pyramids useage. Started off learning in school that it was a 'tribute/monument' to was it KUFU or CHEOPS. One or the other. Somebody found a hiroglyph of his name somewhere inside the pyramid. Zahi Huwas (sp?) was looking for what he believed to be a 'repository of knowledge' that was supposedly inside the Sphinx.

Then I heard that the pyramid was to be the entombment of a pharoah. And just like Jodie Foster in the movie 'Contact', "What a great waste of space." All those stones to put in place for someone's ego is more like it. Forever epitomized.

But still, I thinking it was much more than the theories/examples I've given.

For one thing, what a fantastically strategic spot to erect a pyramid in the first place! If you check out on google maps, you'll find that these monuments are pretty much in the EXACT centre of the longitude/latitude meridian (where both lines meet on the eastern hemisphere/mabey the whole world?)

All three structures are perfectly aligned with the north/south/east/west axie.

The openings (conduits?) on the sides supposedly point to a constellation - if one were to rewind time to the supposed era of when these pyramids where constructed, they point to Orion. And the Spinx was supposedly created and would have aligned with the constellation LEO at the time. Anywhere between 10,500 - 12,000 yrs ago.

Longitude (the map lines that run from pole to pole) are arbitrary, 100% man made, and extremely recent historically. Anything built on what we would think of as "magic" or "special" longitudes, (say zero or ninety or whatever waves your flag) after about 1500 or so (Vespucci, and that's stretching it) is a fluke, total chance, and not something we should get too excited over...

Latitude, on the other hand, is pretty easy to figure out... just walk around and look at the shadows... hmmm.. high noon, zero shadow... it must be equinox at the equator! that sort of thing.

Ancients placing things at the equator and the tropic of cancer / tropic of capricorn is kind of a no brainer... seriously, all you need is a stick in the ground and a little patience to figure out those places. Ancients placing things on modern day lines of longitude is just a fluke of luck / chance.

[Royal]

Everyone who contributed to this thread has tried to find a single reason for why the pyramid was built.All of you are on the wrong track.

If the Egyptians were as advanced as our tinfoil caped friends say they are, then the pyramid would serve multiple purposes- especially being that big and many.


The king would want it build to have a grand tomb.
The astronomer will want to track the stars...
The explorers and warriors will need a reference point (If it's true that is was seen hundred miles away).
The people will want it built to have a water pump and a possible power plant. And wash their clothes.
The artist will have jobs (hieroglyphics)
Visiting aliens can have a reference point
Aliens in the underground caverns can have a destination point...

etc...
The jews will want it build to hide theire gold after they uprise.
The blacks will want it built to see the biggest bling in the world (If the top of the pyramid was pure gold)


Do I have a point or do I have a point.

The world trade center did not only was used as office space, but served as a symbol of US economic power. Now being the complex structure the pyramid was, how advanced were they?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????

My signature reads by the way:
"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see" - Ayn Rand

[torbjon]

" Everyone who contributed to this thread has tried to find a single reason for why the pyramid was built."

I don't recall nor can I locate any 'single unified pyramid purpose / function / reason theory' made by Me *pokes* That's twice today you've made all encompassing statements that have, perhaps falsely, included me in their extreme generalizations...

Might I suggest the possibility of perhaps including a few modifying qualifiers and quantifiers in future broad reaching, generalized statements so assholes like me will maybe have less of a reason to get in your face and say "Shut The Fuck Up, I NEVER Said That. You Syphilitic Prick You." (or some such inane bs)

or not *shrugs*

just a thought

[Royal]

" Everyone who contributed to this thread has tried to find a single reason for why the pyramid was built."

I don't recall nor can I locate any 'single unified pyramid purpose / function / reason theory' made by Me *pokes* That's twice today you've made all encompassing statements that have, perhaps falsely, included me in their extreme generalizations...

Might I suggest the possibility of perhaps including a few modifying qualifiers and quantifiers in future broad reaching, generalized statements so assholes like me will maybe have less of a reason to get in your face and say "Shut The Fuck Up, I NEVER Said That. You Syphilitic Prick You." (or some such inane bs)

or not *shrugs*

just a thought


Generalizations made our civilization the way it is today. Intolerant and stupid. If you don't like it, get out.

But what do you think of my theory? dick.

[KIWI]

" Everyone who contributed to this thread has tried to find a single reason for why the pyramid was built."


errr.... not here either Royal.....nor does Bruce Cathie purport to know its ultimate use and reason for construction.....he simply applies his mathematical formula to the physical structure and points out the recurrence of the same figures that he bases his theory on..

what Bruce Cathie did do though was change the arbitrary division of a 24 hour earth rotation to a slightly longer figure that he says is in harmony with the earth-sun mass ratio, and this is all based around the idea that light and the speed there-of , and its relationship to gravity, are the key to understanding our universe

as a result of which he asigns a period of nearly 27 "grid" hours for one rotation of the earth


Longitude (the map lines that run from pole to pole) are arbitrary, 100% man

as regards the Great Pyramid Torb, the claim as I understood it was that it stood in the "geographical" center of the earth....as in that if the earths land-masses were all connected,... the GP would reside in the center of it

[Royal]

errr.... not here either Royal.....nor does Bruce Cathie purport to know its ultimate use and reason for construction.....he simply applies his mathematical formula to the physical structure and points out the recurrence of the same figures that he bases his theory on..

what Bruce Cathie did do though was change the arbitrary division of a 24 hour earth rotation to a slightly longer figure that he says is in harmony with the earth-sun mass ratio, and this is all based around the idea that light and the speed there-of , and its relationship to gravity, are the key to understanding our universe

as a result of which he asigns a period of nearly 27 "grid" hours for one rotation of the earth



as regards the Great Pyramid Torb, the claim as I understood it was that it stood in the "geographical" center of the earth....as in that if the earths land-masses were all connected,... the GP would reside in the center of it

Ok so I made a generalization to get everyone's attention. Now are we going to continue dwelling on one idea or that it served multiple purposes.

EVERYONE. IS. A . JEW.

[KIWI]

Ok so I made a generalization to get everyone's attention.

little bitch!

[Cogburn]

Hey KIWI, here's a way to test Cathie. You're infinitely more familiar with his material than I am and you probably have access to all the requisite information.

Based upon the known position of the recently discovered pyramids in Serbia, do Cathie's lay-lines fall in alignment with such a structure?

Given that it was virtually unknown when Cathie drafted his material, I'd be hard pressed to argue co-incidence if his theory "predicted" the existence of such a structure in just such a spot.

Hell, I might become a believer myself. :)

[KIWI]

lol, that is the guts of it all Cog.......early in his researdh he realised himself that that is exactly what he needs to see if there was any merit to his theories....

as to the Serbian "structures" I will check it out....but yes he does claim to have predicted aerial insatallation points here in NZ, and found them to be right where his figures predicted....will find the relevant passage and post :)

[WITCH HUNT]

Great topic Anarch, I love this subject to. To be honest I have never heard of the water pump theory before. I will definitely have to google more about this. I have always believed that the pyramids acted like the weights we put on a tire's rims to balance it. Acting as a possible energy discharge conduit for electromagnetic or geological forces. Since the 90% of the casing stone are gone and god knows what else have been taken, it is impossible to say for sure what it's purpose was. Copper or gold fittings and wires would surely have been pilfered almost as soon as it was completed!

On a side note Anarch, I believe that the "Egyptians" or whoever you want to call them used a form of concrete to build the pyramids in place. Do any of you believe the theory of cut blocks and sledges?

[KIWI]

this is an excerpt from HARMONIC 695: the UFO and anti-gravity:1971






...It was clear that the specialised aerials were set up in straight lines in relationship to one another—and in addition were blended into the UFO grid pattern established over the Auckland area.

At this point I was faced with the obvious conclusion that a group of electronics experts knew far more than I did about the grid system—and moreover, that the knowledge must have been in their possession for quite some years. Some of the aerials, we found, had been located on the present sites for periods ranging up to several years


When the implications of this dawned on me, the shock was severe: the grid was no longer just a theoretical possibility. It was a definite fact, and a fact that had been known to an indefinite but clearly large number of people for some considerable time.

It looked to me as though electronic equipment were being built into the network, and as though they were carrying out or controlling large-scale experiments.

But to what purpose? And who were "they"? Both of these questions cannot yet be answered. However, we shall present some of our speculations, and we hope that readers will come to light with further information that will help solve the mystery.

There was another method by which we could prove conclusively that the so-called ham radio stations were established on certain geometric positions for purposes other than for private experiment or simple communication. By a. study of the geometric pattern that had emerged from a careful plotting of all the known aerial sites, it should be possible to predict where other odd aerials would show up.

If the pattern was right, if our thinking was right, we should be able to extend the pattern, rather like the "series" type of problem sometimes presented in intelligence tests, and declare that therefore another aerial should be located here, there, or over there—on the mapIf, on the other hand, the positions were entirely coincidentally linked with the grid; if in fact there was no connection at all and if indeed the aerials were genuinely ham stations and scattered in a more or less random order over the countryside, such predictions would simply not be valid.

One Friday night I spent a couple of hours studying the network of aerials and calculated various coordinates from their positions. When I had pinpointed what seemed to me to be a most likely position for an aerial as yet undiscovered by us, I called Peter and we arranged for a meeting the following afternoonOn an ordinary street map we pencilled in the position where 'I expected an odd aerial should be located. Then, with a camera handy, we went off on our hunt.This was to be the first big test.

I was reasonably confident that we would find an aerial where I had plotted it on the map but at the same time I was horribly aware that I could also be falling flat on my face. I had still been compelled to assume certain geometric relationships in connection with the system whoever had planned the evident aerial network already knew for certain all the relationships involved, while I had to fumble through a maze of calculations to theorize about them.

I was not certain, also, how Peter was reacting to my theories. We hadn't long been working together at that stage, and up to now he had simply had to take my word for many aspects of my research. But if the present excursion proved to be successful, the greatest gain for both of us could be a .firming up of confidence.

We approached the street I had circled on the street map, and turned the corner.And there it was.I was both relieved and excited. Peter seemed quietly surprised.The aerial before its, and which we photographed, was a two-way complex of directional components. Coordinates from several other aerial positions passed through this point from different directions.

My plot had been accurate to within about a hundred feet or so which, considering the quality of the survey maps I use, was fairly close to precision. We found a place from which we could take photographs to add to our growing pile of pictorial evidence for the existence of an aerial network, and went home.

There was still a slim possibility that the finding of an aerial almost exactly where I had predicted it to be could have been by chance alone. I knew that it was by no chance; but at the sametime we recognised the fact that sceptics would make this claim.

However, a short time later, and on two different occasions, I was able to go through the identical performance for yet another two aerials—first, figuring on the map where they ought to be, in accordance with the emerging pattern and my theories on the factors involved in locating the strange masts; and then with a street map and a car, actually locating them in precisely those positions.


In all honesty I must also admit that on two occasions I drew a blank. One of these spots, where I was certain I would find a mast, is now being kept under observation by some of our helpers. I believe there is a strong possibility that eventually an aerial will appear on this location.

One development, and one that we realised would come about, has been that the folk in charge of these aerials are aware of our activities and, probably knowing that we have the place under surveillance, they may be unwilling to construct a mast there until it becomes imperative for the network as a whole to have one there.

[anarch]

On a side note Anarch, I believe that the "Egyptians" or whoever you want to call them used a form of concrete to build the pyramids in place. Do any of you believe the theory of cut blocks and sledges?

I do not believe sledges or rollers were used. Nor do I think ramps were used. Be they spiral or centered no ramps.

I have seen some Concrete methods done by french students (I think) that is plausible. On the other hand Quarried stone floated on a lock and dam system is also plausible. Also if they utilized water to such extents they may of just floated the material needed for concrete and skipped the whole quarry thing all together. So I am open to the more logical theories.

But sledges and log rollers fueled by the might of ten thousand slaves? no.

[Cogburn]

One might think that with the braggadocio of the Pharaohs, a Pharaoh that was able to organize that much labor might have had someone write it down to attest to his power over men.

[mojo]

they used alien cat people for the hard labour.

got that from jedimiller's research.

[Cogburn]

AVATAR MOVIE IS REAL!

[mojo]

and george lucas is jar jar binks father.

[anarch]

This is great stuff for the Alien human hook up story.

[WITCH HUNT]

On the other hand Quarried stone floated on a lock and dam system is also plausible.

The National Geographic Channel had a program on 2 weeks ago about Egyptian shipbuiding. For decades Egyptologists thought they used man-made canals or locks and dams to transport their ships to the Red Sea. After a discovery of a parchment , they now believed the ships were built far up the Nile, then disassembled and brought across the desert to the Red Sea, ..... on a camel train. Can you believe that shit!

[boycotteverything]

whatever the Pyramid may have been it was definitely not a washing machine.

[torbjon]

Royal:

But what do you think of my theory? dick.

what, that its purpose / function was multi-disciplinary? Sure, why not?

Kiwi:

as regards the Great Pyramid Torb, the claim as I understood it was that it stood in the "geographical" center of the earth....as in that if the earths land-masses were all connected,... the GP would reside in the center of it

ya, that was more for Ducky who was talking about longitudes / meridians, however, even the center of 'Pangaea' is still a bit arbitrary... Pangaea was Pangaea for a long time before the break up, coastlines changed over that time... and how are we measuring that 'center' point? I'm assuming equidistant from all the shorelines of the continent, but, is that distance measured as the crow flies or as the dog trots? The two aren't the same...

If this 'center point' was determined After the break up, then the designers had knowledge of the entire globe and continental drift...

For me, the 'problem' of "funky ancient stuff" isn't so much the who, what, where, why and how of it, but rather the When of it. I feel that the current (accepted) chronology of human civilization is greatly in error.

[Ducky]

ya, that was more for Ducky who was talking about longitudes / meridians, however, even the center of 'Pangaea' is still a bit arbitrary... Pangaea was Pangaea for a long time before the break up, coastlines changed over that time... and how are we measuring that 'center' point? I'm assuming equidistant from all the shorelines of the continent, but, is that distance measured as the crow flies or as the dog trots? The two aren't the same...

If this 'center point' was determined After the break up, then the designers had knowledge of the entire globe and continental drift...

Pangaea obviously took place before the pyramids were built.

What strikes me, is how the builders 'knew' where the earth's center point would be - exactly where the pyramids are situated right now.

If we took all the earth's water away and were left with just the land masses (trying to see if I can find a topography map to go along with this idea) then we'd notice that the earth is pretty 'lop-sided'.

Now here's an even crazier notion. What if...

the weight of the combined pyramids were exacted in the region that they are, so as to keep the earth from wobbling too much on its axis? Kind of like putting metal weights on a car's tire. I know that's pretty farfetched, as the builders would have had to have a fantastic knowledge of gaia in the first place. I wouldn't put anything past the great builders at this point.

Look at all the places like Pumapunku; whereby we can't even lift the huge monolithic blocks with any equipment today? An engineering feat unsurpassed.


I feel that the current (accepted) chronology of human civilization is greatly in error.

This is what think as well. It's as though someone pushed the re-set button and erased our past. But for what reason?

[Lexion]

Since the earth is suspended in space, it cannot be put on a scale and weighed. But scientists can estimate its total weight by estimating the weight of each of its parts, the crust, or solid rock, the mantle, also solid rock, and the core, a liquid, because of the great heat at the center.

These add up to an estimated 6.6 sextillion tons! To see what that number looks like, we’d have to write two 6s, followed by twenty Os, or 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons!

Source (http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/how-much-does-the-earth-weigh)

It is estimated that in excess of 2,000,000 limestone blocks were used giving the pyramid an estimated total mass weight of 6,000,000 tons. it is estimated the blocks weighed an average of 2.5 to 15 tons each

Source (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_dimensions_and_facts_about_the_Great_ Pyramid_of_Giza)

Pretty sure the weight of the
pyramid won't offset any wobble.

[Cogburn]

Pretty sure the weight of the
pyramid won't offset any wobble.

Oh?

Tell that to the 2gm weights placed on your car's 20lb tires to balance them.

[Lexion]

I might suck at math, but
the ratios between the two
are a bit extreme.

[Cogburn]

Can't deny that, however such extremes cannot be used to eliminate a theory on face value.

After I posted my contribution I thought to myself "Did the construction of New York City offset the balance of the earth rotating on its axis?"

Balance answer is a no-go.

[skunk]

The city has depressed the land beneath it the same way a glacier does I imagine (http://nsidc.org/glaciers/questions/land.html).

[Cogburn]

The point being suggested is that mass is moved from one place on the earth to another to "smooth out" the rotation.

If you move a greater portion of mass to a point that is not in sync with the wobble, the wobble becomes more pronounced.

If you think the wobble of the earth has changed anything more than a few 10ths of a degree in the past 100 years, I have a religion for you (www.abundanthope.net).

[skunk]

I'm not saying I agree with the premise cog. I was saying cities affect the land directly beneath them, I am not arguing they affect the planet as a whole.

[WITCH HUNT]

the weight of the combined pyramids were exacted in the region that they are, so as to keep the earth from wobbling too much on its axis? Kind of like putting metal weights on a car's tire.

My theory didn't really have anything to do with the Earth's rotation or a wobble. It was more of a pressure relief kind of thing. whether it's tectonic stress, electromagnetic discharge or possibly even spiritual energy. Sure, it's not as sexy as Von Danikan or Sitchin, but hey, neither am I.:flash:

[torbjon]

Ducky:

What strikes me, is how the builders 'knew' where the earth's center point would be - exactly where the pyramids are situated right now.

If we took all the earth's water away and were left with just the land masses (trying to see if I can find a topography map to go along with this idea) then we'd notice that the earth is pretty 'lop-sided'.

hmmm... okay, work with me here, Duck: Take a basketball, let a little air out, squish it a bit so it's "lop-sided" in a way you feel would represent the earth, and tell me Why you feel that one point on that "lop-sided" ball is the "center"... I'd also be curious to know how you got to that "center" conclusion... just felt right? looked right? did some math? etc.

Now do a Hawkings, picture the earth as a balloon with polka dots all over it. Pick a random polka dot and stand on it. Slowly let the air out of the earth balloon and note what you observe: ALL of the polka dots come rushing in towards You, making You the center of everything. This holds true for any polka dot you choose to stand on.

Now let's really blow our minds: You pick a random polka dot and I'll pick a random polka dot and then we'll let the air out... and we Both witness the exact same thing...

Who is standing on the Center polka dot, you or me?

"...and I am you and what I see is me..."

[torbjon]

In theory the stones for the GP were quarried pretty close by, globally speaking... sure, their may have been a 'balancing' impact from the shift of mass, but c'mon... the shifting sands of the various deserts around the globe, not to mention the variations of icecaps over the years, the variations of water that is either surface water or in the form of cloud cover, the tides themselves... the dust in the atmosphere,,, the atmosphere it self... we got many Billions of tons of mass in motion here...

[KIWI]

For me, the 'problem' of "funky ancient stuff" isn't so much the who, what, where, why and how of it, but rather the When of it. I feel that the current (accepted) chronology of human civilization is greatly in error.

same thoughts here Torb....the next book you should read, unless of course you already have :) , is Immanuel Velikovsky's "Ages in Chaos" which deals with exactly that possibillity, see if can track an e-copy down

[KIWI]

his idea hinges on the Ipuwer papyrus

http://www.henryzecher.com/papyrus_ipuwer.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_in_Chaos



Ages in Chaos is a book by the controversial writer Immanuel Velikovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky), first published by Doubleday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleday_(publisher)) in 1952, which put forward a major revision of the history of the Ancient Near East.

Velikovsky had put forward his ideas briefly in Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History in 1945, but Ages in Chaos was his first full-length work on the subject.


A second volume was due for publication shortly after this but was postponed. Instead it was followed eight years later by Oedipus and Akhnaton. In the last two years of his life Velikovsky published a further two works on ancient history: Peoples of the Sea and Rameses II and His Time.

At the time of his death he considered that completing his reconstruction of ancient history would require a further two volumes: The Assyrian Conquest and The Dark Age of Greece; these were never published in English, but the manuscripts have long been available online at the Velikovsky archive.

[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_in_Chaos#cite_note-0)
Velikovsky claimed in Ages in Chaos that the histories of Ancient Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt) and Ancient Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Israel) are five centuries out of step.

His starting point was that the Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus) took place not, as orthodoxy has it, at some point during the Egyptian New Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kingdom), but at the fall of the Middle Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdom_of_Egypt). Velikovsky made heavy use in this and later works on ancient history of the concept of "ghost doubles": historical figures who were known by different names in two different sources (e.g. Egyptian and Greek) and were conventionally considered to be entirely different people living in different centuries, but who he proposed to be actually erroneously dated accounts of the same individuals and events.


Velikovsky's work has been harshly criticised, including by fellow chronological revisionists such as Peter James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_James_(historian)). In 1984 fringe science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_science) expert Henry H. Bauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_H._Bauer) wrote Beyond Velikovsky: The History of a Public Controversy, which Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_magazine) described as "the definitive treatise debunking Immanuel

[anarch]

Any new thoughts?

[KIWI]

Any new thoughts?

same thoughts as before ...... as the chronology of the "ancient east" was based on that of the Egyptian's ...... how will it be possible to apportion a date to any event prior to the occupation then expulsion of the Hyksos when there exists a discrepency of up to 1660 years amongst the academics rergards that time-period ????( between the middle and new kingdoms)....


but I will add a thought to the OP anyway... for anarch ... as he has bumped the thread .... "ahem"

"... The Great Pyramid. WHAT DOES IT DO?"

it sits on its fat arse in the middle of the desert making $$$$$ for the Egyptian tourist industry ... :)

[egg]

It was God's juicemaker. Then he got an electric one.

http://img.tradekey.com/images/uploadedimages/products/2/7/B2365919-20081217030227.jpg

[KIWI]

It was God's juicemaker. Then he got an electric one.



god-juice is yellow??

[egg]

god-juice is yellow??

? :confused:

[egg]

Oh, do you mean because the Pyramids are yellowish? That's what happens to orange juice stains over the millennia, they fade to yellow.

God loves orange juice.

[KIWI]

so that would make "The Great Deluge" a giant golden-shower?

[egg]

so that would make "The Great Deluge" a giant golden-shower?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Yes, if you were God and totally disgusted with the lot of us, how would you drown us?

[KIWI]

we have a winner .. :)

[egg]

God, HE must have been drunk. We're lucky he only pissed on us.

[KIWI]

it would account for the sightings of " gigantic cigar-shaped-craft" reported to have been in the area at the time ... you could be onto something here Egg

[KIWI]

It would then narrow the feild down considerably... either God or Doctor Evil.. muaaaah

[egg]

it would account for the sightings of " gigantic cigar-shaped-craft" reported to have been in the area at the time ... you could be onto something here Egg

Hahahahahahhahaaha!!!!




http://dallaspenn.com/pics/albums/backup3/earth.jpg:badmonkey:

[KIWI]

lol .... egg bad monkey!! ha ha ha