Anyone else allergic to MSG?

[Raptor Jesus]

I've developed a severe allergy to this stuff over the last two months. I've really got to stay away from the stuff otherwise I feel awful for hours. I've been researching and I'm not the only one.

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/conditions/digestive/digestive-health/allergies/identifying-treating

http://www.msgmyth.com/


Have you been tested for, suffer from, and found little relief from any of the following conditions?
1. Severe headache12. Shortness of breath, chest pains, asthma23. Slowed speech2. Nausea, diarrhea, vomiting13. Swelling, pain, or numbness of hands, feet, jaw24. Chronic bronchitis-like symptoms, allergy reactions, dry cough, hoarseness or sore throat3. Irregular heart beat or blood pressure, racing heart14. Pain in joints or bones25. Heavy, weak feeling in arms and legs4. Depression or mood change, bipolar, SAD15. Flushing or tingling in face, chest, pressure behind eyes26. Irritable bowel or colitis5. Abdominal pain, cramps, bloating, colitis, IBS16. Gagging reflex or difficulty swallowing27. Attention deficit disorder, anxiety attacks, rage, panic attacks6. Balance problems, dizziness, or seizures, mini-strokes17. Hyperactivity, behavioral problems28. Neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's, fibromyalgia, MS, Parkinson's7. Tenderness in localized areas, neck, back, etc. 18. Chronic post nasal drip29. Pressure behind eyes or on head, neck, shoulders8. Sleep disorders19. Skin rash, itching, hives30. ADD, ADHD, Rage Disorder 9. Blurred vision or difficulty breathing20. Bloated face, dark circles under strained eyes31. Asthma10. Chronic fatigue or sleepiness21. Extreme thirst or dry mouth32. Weight problems, obesity, hypoglycemia11. Excessive perspiring or shuddering and chills22. Difficulty concentrating and poor memory


Hidden Names for MSG


The following substances contain the highest percentage of factory created free glutamate, with MSG containing 78%:
MSGGelatinCalcium CaseinateMonosodium glutamateHydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (HVP)Textured ProteinMonopotassium glutamateHydrolyzed Plant Protein (HPP)Yeast ExtractGlutamateAutolyzed Plant ProteinYeast food or nutrientGlutamic AcidSodium CaseinateAutolyzed YeastVegetable Protein ExtractSenomyx (wheat extract labeled as artificial flavor)

The following substances contain some factory created free glutamate in varying amounts. Please note that some food labels list several of these items, which can add up to a considerable and dangerous amount in one product:
Malted Barley (flavor)Natural Flavors, Flavors, FlavoringModified food starchBarley maltReaction FlavorsRice syrup or brown rice syrupMalt Extract or FlavoringNatural Chicken, Beef, or Pork, Flavoring "Seasonings" (Most assume this means salt, pepper, or spices and herbs, which sometimes it is.)Lipolyzed butter fatMaltodextrin, dextrose, dextratesSoy Sauce or Extract"Low" or "No Fat" itemsCaramel Flavoring (coloring)Soy ProteinCorn syrup and corn syrup solids, high fructose corn syrupStockSoy Protein Isolate or ConcentrateCitric Acid (when processed from corn)BrothCornstarch fructose (made from corn)Milk PowderBouillonFlowing AgentsDry Milk SolidsCarrageenanWheat, rice, corn, or oat proteinProtein Fortified MilkWhey Protein or WheyAnything enriched or vitamin enrichedAnnattoWhey Protein Isolate or ConcentrateProtein fortified "anything"SpicePectinEnzyme modified proteinsGums (guar and vegetable)ProteaseUltra-pasteurized dairy productsDough ConditionersProtease enzymesFermented proteinsYeast NutrientsLecithinGluten and gluten flourProtein powders: whey, soy, oat, rice (as in protein bars shakes and body building drinks)Amino acids (as in Bragg's liquid amino acids and chelated to vitamins)Algae, phytoplankton, sea vegetable, wheat/ barley grass powders

[boycotteverything]

the shit has always given me a splitting headache.

[Raptor Jesus]

It's hiding in everything under a ton of pseudonyms. Hydrolysed vegetable protein, textured yeast, whey protein and dozens of others.

Yes headaches are one of the symptoms.

I don't know how you can avoid it if you're in the USA unless you're some sort of paranoid monk.

[boycotteverything]

hahahah stay away from chinese food and you should be ok.

[Raptor Jesus]

That's a big myth, it's everywhere, srsly.

But if you're OK don't worry about it.

[boycotteverything]

well i've had a damned headache since 1974 but i guess i'm ok.

[Raptor Jesus]

Do you really get chronic headaches?

Well I dnt want to push it on you, but if you scan the list in the OP, when you eat any of those things yr eating MSG.

www.msgmyth.com (http://www.msgmyth.com)

[Lexion]

Believing the internet leads
to allergies.

[Raptor Jesus]

Fuck you tons of people have this I feel like I'm dying when I eat it, it took years to make the connection. Recovering now.

BTW all your posts look like limericks.

[Raptor Jesus]

The man's seen a floating disc once and he thinks he knows everything God save us

[Lexion]

BTW all your posts look like limericks.

It's Haiku bitch.

[Raptor Jesus]

Oh and fuck yr leather trousers too

[Raptor Jesus]

If it was haiku you'd have a proper syllable count

[Lexion]

The internet cause loss of
sarcasm recognition.

[Raptor Jesus]

Were you wearing yr leather trousers when you saw the saucer?

[Lexion]

Nope.

BDU's.

[Raptor Jesus]

This thread has AIDS

[skunk]

Mayo clinic on msg (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/monosodium-glutamate/AN01251)

The mayo clinic, quite the conspiracy theory website.

MSG has been used as a food additive for decades. Over the years, the FDA has received many anecdotal reports of adverse reactions to foods containing MSG. These reactions — known as MSG symptom complex — include:

Headache
Flushing
Sweating
Facial pressure or tightness
Numbness, tingling or burning in face, neck and other areas
Rapid, fluttering heartbeats (heart palpitations)
Chest pain
Nausea
Weakness

However, researchers have found no definitive evidence of a link between MSG and these symptoms. Researchers acknowledge, though, that a small percentage of people may have short-term reactions to MSG. Symptoms are usually mild and don't require treatment. The only way to prevent a reaction is to avoid foods containing MSG.

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/ickeicke.jpg

[Raptor Jesus]

Thx Skunk, the Mayo clinic are paying lip service to the issue but mimimising it and making it look not as bad as it really is

LOL@Lex

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/tinfoilhataub2-1.png

[skunk]

Yes I understand that, but at least they recognize it has potentially harmful effects, at least to some people.

I can't stand the stuff personally.

[Raptor Jesus]

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[Lexion]

Heh.

Personal attacks lose arguements.

Nice try, though.

[Raptor Jesus]

Just a bit of fun you do it all the time

[Lexion]

I prefer this pic, actually.

That's Groom Lake, in the background.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/MVC-024F.jpg

Here's the USGS marker on
top of Tikaboo.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/MVC-025F.jpg

[boycotteverything]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/MVC-005S-1.jpg

fuck the leather pants. i wanna borrow that shirt.

[Alessandra]

just hang out at a health food place. Lots of yummies there without all the bad shit "big guys" put in their food.

[Raptor Jesus]

Yes they help, but, not to sound paranoid, it's in there as well. Srsly it's irritating as shit.

[Alessandra]

just go full on vegan and harvest your own food! lol

[Raptor Jesus]

That's what I'm being forced into doing

[Alessandra]

you'll be better off anyway. Just make sure to get protein in somehow.

[Raptor Jesus]

Had some noodles today, asked for no MSG and of course they put it in anyway. Felt shit for the last 5 hours. Irritable, tired, couldn;t concentrate. It struck me this is how most of society feels anyway.

God awful stuff....

[Pam]

Eat an orange anytime you are exposed to MSG, it will counteract the effects.

[Raptor Jesus]

Really? Is there a source for this, and do you have any other tips? I take Taurine, which counteracts it pretty well. My allergy has gone down from severe to just irritating.

[Pam]

Really? Is there a source for this, and do you have any other tips? I take Taurine, which counteracts it pretty well. My allergy has gone down from severe to just irritating.

I don't have a source, the information was given to me by an older Chinese gentleman. I had mentioned to him that I don't feel good after ingesting food with MSG in it and he told me to eat an orange.

I tried it and it helped.

I once went to a high end Chinese Restaurant in town and was completely surprised when at the end of the meal, a plate of sliced oranges was placed on the table along with warm hand towels so that we could wash our hands as some of the items we had ordered were meant to be eaten by hand.

[Raptor Jesus]

Well it can't hurt to try, thanks for the info...There's often a bit of truth to these urban health tales. I'm surprised that the Chinese, with all their culinary knowledge, dowse everything they eat with MSG...

Taurine is the 'opposite' amino acid to glutamate. You can get it cheap from bodybuilder stores... 20 dollars for a years supply, great for health + the heart in general... More info on www.msgmyth.com (http://www.msgmyth.com) - some folks have it really bad there...

[Ducky]

If I'm not mistaken, I heard MSG was introduced to food to make people more hungry.

Every once in awhile, I'll hit up the bulk food barn stores up here to grab basic necessities. These stores aren't like your normal grocery store chains, in that they don't lean towards selling produce and brand name foods, but more along the lines of soup broths/freeze-dried/etc. They don't come prepackaged but are in huge bins whereby we 'scoop' what we need and bag it - later to be weighed.

The smell of spices hit you at the front door when you walk in. It's not overwhelming; reminds me of one of my relatives pantry spice nooks. They also carry a line of organic and homeopathy items. I've tried some of them and have to say, "Not bad :D"

When I look for soups, the labels are pretty clear on what entails the ingredients. The tags and signs will let folks know if there's MSG in the foods or not.

Another thing to look out for is sodium/salt content. What people don't realize is that the more sodium they ingest, the more they get thirsty, and the kidneys get quite the work-out.

I can't say this enough. INCREASE your H2O folks during the day. This not only helps you to flush out impurites, retain proper organ functions, but will lighten up on those headaches as well.

Think of it this way, if you've ever had a hang-over, then you know the symptoms. And one of them is a nasty headache. That's because we're de-hydrated. Same can be said when we don't imbibe, as far as headaches go. Drink your water.

[Raptor Jesus]

If I'm not mistaken, I heard MSG was introduced to food to make people more hungry.


I've read that too, and I've got to admit it tastes delicious.



When I look for soups, the labels are pretty clear on what entails the ingredients.


MSG can be hidden under dozens of pseudonyms like hydrolysed yeast, pectin, why protein.


I can't say this enough. INCREASE your H2O folks during the day. This not only helps you to flush out impurites, retain proper organ functions, but will lighten up on those headaches as well.

Yes I believe chronic dehydration is a major problem.

[MrPenny]

I have no chance of locating the source, but some time back I read an article that described how food scientists had established a base "flavor" apart from sweet, sour, etc....and that flavor was provided by MSG. It's been some time ago though.

Nonetheless.....why the fuss about MSG? Fuck, millions of people have food allergies of some sort or another....shellfish, milk, wheat gluten, peanuts.....you name it, someone's liable to have a problem with it.

So why raise a stink about MSG? Do people with a sensitivity to it deserve some sort of special consideration?

No.

For fucks sake....a peanut can kill some people.

[Raptor Jesus]

So what's your point?

I never asked for special treatment. I just avoid the stuff and get on with it. MSG may well be a major contributor to heart disease and bowel complaints. These two illnesses have brought America's health to it's knees, but whenever someone mentions a possible cause, you just laugh it off.

I read that '5th taste' article, Unami or something, it looked like spin and lies to me.

[FancyFree]

I think if anything it helps us be more aware of the junk we put in our bodies. So carry on Triangle!!! :)

[MrPenny]

you just laugh it off.

I'm not laughing anything off......I'm asking a question. Why the focus on MSG? When no definitive connection exists to the symptoms and the substance.

I don't think you've really noticed the total amount of food products, and generally crappy stuff added to food products, that cause problems. Given the totality of such things......how does MSG warrant anymore scrutiny than say, processed sugars. I checked the Mayo Clinic's site....the symptoms of "MSG syndrome" nearly mirror the effects of eating pufferfish at a sushi bar.

One of your links mentioned this..."For example, some additives like monosodium glutamate (MSG) have been found to affect the brain." No shit. Everything you eat, affects the brain. The air you breath affects the brain. At its face value.....the sentence means nothing more than the two sentences I've italicized. But the author is clever....dropping that sentence into that context, manages to suggest some deeply sinister quality of MSG.

Is MSG good for ya'? Might it cause problems for people with a sensitivity? Answers are......who knows, and apparently. But it clearly is not the bugaboo that opponents make it out to be.....within the sphere of crap in our food....massive doses of antibiotics in meat products (I know, I know....well don't eat meat...fine advice, but millions of people do, and will), corn sugars in nearly everything. Absolutely atrocious controls and oversight of the food products shipped from China.....and MSG somehow bears stronger investigation?

Forgive me Triangle....but I simply find it to be, and I'll borrow a phrase from the cartoonsyndicate....a lot of sound and fury, over a very small part of a larger issue.

[GeneralStriker]

shut the fuck up, penny. you're making way too much sense.

[Raptor Jesus]

Fair enough... I'll write more tomorrow when I have more time, but since I cut the stuff out my health improved a lot, and it's more than just placebo....

[egg]

That's a big myth, it's everywhere, srsly.

But if you're OK don't worry about it.

It's a flavor enhancer. Anything to enhance the product, my man. Get yo ass to buy it.

[MrPenny]

Fair enough... I'll write more tomorrow when I have more time, but since I cut the stuff out my health improved a lot, and it's more than just placebo....

Really? Are you sure you haven't fallen prey to the ol' "correlation equals causation" trap? By your own admission, you've dramatically changed your diet, exercise, and intake of supplements far beyond simply eliminating MSG from your diet.

And if you've managed to completely eliminate MSG and its cohorts from your diet......what the fuck are you eating? Sawdust? I'd be interested in hearing what strategies you're employing to avoid the stuff. It's ubiquitous.

[MissSilver]

So what's your point?

I never asked for special treatment. I just avoid the stuff and get on with it. MSG may well be a major contributor to heart disease and bowel complaints. These two illnesses have brought America's health to it's knees, but whenever someone mentions a possible cause, you just laugh it off.

I read that '5th taste' article, Unami or something, it looked like spin and lies to me.


While I am not personally affected by MSG, I try to limit my consumption of it. Not a great fan of Chinese food either, makes me gassy and I feel hungry an hour later unless I fill up on spare ribs, those are frigging yummy licious! :mrgreen:

You do raise a valid point, I know of a lot of people who has a hard time with MSG, especially my mother, gives her terrible headaches.


Umami is not a spin or a lie, it is the way it is described in the Japanese language as a sense of taste. Guess it could translate as a "meaty" taste. It used to be achieved with sea kelp until some Japanese chemist was able to reproduce the taste artificially.

Glutamic acid is found naturally in a variety of food, as sugar is. MSG on the other hand, being of artificial nature not unlike aspartame, is bound to be rejected by people who are more sensitive to chemical compounds.


Not going against your argument for msg can easily and naturally be replaced by various sea kelp but given that it can be easily mass produced to replace the original Umami feeling given by eating a dish, it is preferred for it's cheapness, price wise, and it's quickness as an additive compared as to making a reduced and potent kelp base.

I make my own miso soup. Granted, I could use instant Dashi and thrown the rest in such as vegetable, tofu, miso paste, green onions... think you get the point but instant brought do tend to have a lot of MSG unless you make your own or go to specialized stores. SO I make my own Dashi by soaking kelp in a pot of boiling water and letting it stand for an hour. It is by far better tasting than whatever miso soup i've had at japanese restaurant regardless of their price range and does have that umami "meaty" taste regardless of the fact that there is no meat in that miso soup I once in a while whip up for myself (the hubby ain't a great fan of it).

MSG is in itself, a chemical, this is why I will try to avoid it, then again, I also try to stay away from food that has words hard to pronounce out loud written on the labels. If I can't read it, why should I eat it ;)

Good luck in your endeavor of living an free MSG life. It is but one less chemical in your diet.


Nice article on the umami subject.

http://kitchensinkzen.blogspot.com/2009/07/umami-kelp-and-msg.html

[Lexion]

MSG is in itself, a chemical, this is why I will try to avoid it,

I guess you're gonna starve
to death.

Everything is a chemical.

[MissSilver]

I guess you're gonna starve
to death.

Everything is a chemical.


Thank you very much for highlighting that obvious fact Lex. Yet another trolling dumb ass snide remark by yours truly.

You know where you can stick that remark of yours... right? :fucku2:


http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/you_will_die_friendless_and_alone_trollcat.jpg

[egg]

I forget who but, someone once told me that cats taste like pepperoni.

[Lexion]

Thank you very much for highlighting that obvious fact Lex. Yet another trolling dumb ass snide remark by yours truly.

You know where you can stick that remark of yours... right? :fucku2:


http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/you_will_die_friendless_and_alone_trollcat.jpg

Trolling ?

I pointed out a stupid remark.

You said you were going to avoid
chemicals.

Everything is made up of chemicals.

Either clarify, or shut the fuck up.

[MissSilver]

Trolling ?

You said you were going to avoid
chemicals.





MSG is in itself, a chemical, this is why I will try to avoid it, then again, I also try to stay away from food that has words hard to pronounce out loud written on the labels. If I can't read it, why should I eat it ;)



Jesus Christ Lex, you could at least try to read, even tho in your quest to get drunk tonight, before replying FFS.

You were fucking trolling, now playing the innocent card.


http://boingboing.net/images/x_2008/ohnoes08.jpg


You can go back to splitting hairs now, that post was meant for triangle before you trolled in.

[MissSilver]

I forget who but, someone once told me that cats taste like pepperoni.


Unless they cured that cat...

[Lexion]

MSG is in itself, a chemical, this is why I will try to avoid it,

You are going to avoid chemicals,
by that statement.


then again, I also try to stay away from food that has words hard to pronounce out loud written on the labels. If I can't read it, why should I eat it

Yes, you are going to starve.

[Raptor Jesus]

Thanks for an excellent and informative post Miss Silver... I never knew that about Unami. I thought the article was a spin piece to make an excuse to put more MSG in our diet. I will read up on kelp etc...

Lex, it was probably pretty obvious that Miss Silver was referring to man made modern synthetic chemicals instead of the whole thing.

[skunk]

Yes, you are going to starve.

Not if she eats whole foods.

[Lexion]

Well, I'm pretty sure the Rife
machine can sustain her for
a while.

:D

[MrPenny]

If she eats the machine......

[MissSilver]

Not if she eats whole foods.

Dear Skunk

This is what I am trying to achieve even tho I do enjoy crap once in a while such as that Boyardee ravioli or the occasional HEB hamburger helper mix or the damned, also occasional, mac and cheese mix!

Lex seems to be under the impression that when I write down the words "I try to avoid" literally means that I am avoiding all together all man made chemicals which is by far untrue. I do not know on how he came to the conclusion that "I try to avoid/stay away" and I am staying away" takes on the same meaning but in his mind, it does. It just might be a touch of dyslexia or a poor Louisiana education system, which one? I will never know.

Also, his concern of me starving to death seems less than genuine. It is in my opinion, only a poor excuse to be able to insert meaningless rhetoric into a conversation of merit between I and another poster such as "zing" or "haarp" or "Rife Machine" as pointed above.

Sincerely

Miss Silver

[Lexion]

To clarify.

I went to school in Fla.

You are correct, though.

The education system in La.
is atrocious.

[skunk]

I would recommend staying away from preservatives, (aside from salt that is) but that's damn near impossible unless you eat 100% organic whole foods.

I eat them too...

[MissSilver]

I would recommend staying away from preservatives, (aside from salt that is) but that's damn near impossible unless you eat 100% organic whole foods.

I eat them too...


Next time you pick up a box of salt, Iodized or not, check the label (yes, the salt label) to see if some yellow prussiate of soda (Sodium ferrocyanide) was added as an anti caking agent.

Believe it or not, most common table salt has chemical additives. The only ones I have found without that additive is Kosher salt and Alessi sea salt.

[Raptor Jesus]

I would recommend staying away from preservatives, (aside from salt that is) but that's damn near impossible unless you eat 100% organic whole foods

I don't get paranoid about it or pursue unrealistic goals. I just do my best to minimise preservatives and enjoy life. I noticed when I eat as pure as I can my energy levels zoom up and my moods improve, so I'll continue...

[skunk]

All you can do is try your best.

[Raptor Jesus]

Exactly, do your best and relax. The other side of the coin is we have access to an unprecedented quality of nutritional medicine.

[Pannotia]

Hello Triangle,

I have a sensitivity to MSG as well and totally understand your symptoms. One feels like they have a hangover the day after ingesting it.

My solution was to just stay away from prepared 'foods' and stick with foodstuffs that I could prepare myself. Fruit, vegetables, meat, dairy and so on. I make my own bread too.

I do miss seasoned potato chips though!

Regards,
Pannotia

[skunk]

You know there are MSG-free potato chips Pannotia.

[Pannotia]

Oh yes, Skunk. That I do. Nothing comes close to Zesty Doritos though: sumptious taste that ends in in death by the time one scrapes the bottom of the bag.

:)
Kind regards,
Pannotia