lemon juice antiseptic doctor convicted

[Oblivion]

link to nineMSN.com.au article (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1001073/doctor-convicted-over-lemon-juice-antiseptic)



A German doctor who used lemon juice instead of antiseptic on patients' operation wounds has been convicted after seven of them died.

Arnold Pier received a 15-month suspended sentence after his method of cleaning wounds with lemon juice proved fatal, according to German newspaper Bild.
One woman died after developing an infection after her operation wounds that were covered in lemon juice to save money on antiseptics.

Dr Pier headed the private clinic where the deaths occurred and is also accused of performing several major unnecessary operations merely to earn more money from the patients.
The struggling hospital was facing bankruptcy before Dr Pier began implementing the cost-cutting measures, which included replacing standard antiseptics with the unsterilised lemon juice.
In handing down his verdict, Judge Lothar Beckers said the practice probably caused additional pain to the patients and was experimental in character.

Dr Pier and three other doctors have been charged with 64 counts of grievous bodily harm, concerning 18 patients

lemon juice, what a fuck head.
it'd be like adding salt to your wounds, literally
oh, the pain ! :o

[RubyRocket]

Good god..I can't imagine.
That's like old times pouring whiskey on it.
Antiseptic is really that expensive???
Then WTF are you doing being a doc if you can't afford the basics

[anarch]

fuck man.... even junkies know to burn the needle tip when sharing rigs....

WTF!?! Lemon juice.... Asinine

[TracerBullet]

Lemon is an antiseptic... Sure it probably hurt, so would salt, which is also an antiseptic. If it is that or infection though, I take the pain any day.

I saw a tracheotomy done with vodka, a pen and a kitchen knife. It was messy, but it was all that was available at the time. The guy who it had to be performed on didn't mind one bit, I talked with him weeks after, he was glad to be alive.

[Raptor Jesus]

Did you see it live Tracer or on TV?

[TracerBullet]

Did you see it live Tracer or on TV?

In front of me live.

The guy had an allergy, I seriously would have not known what to do. One of the people in the room was a TA medic, he did everything. It shit me up for months afterwards, I honestly thought the guy was dead.

Something I never want to see again.

[MissSilver]

Lemon is an antiseptic... Sure it probably hurt, so would salt, which is also an antiseptic. If it is that or infection though, I take the pain any day.




I see what you mean TB but we are talking about a bloody hospital here, one where patients go in perfect confidence that they will be treated with "conventional" means, not unsterilized lemon juice. Just got to wonder if he even soap the lemon to remove any waxy residues or impurities on the peel.

Even a bottle of peroxide is cheaper than lemons. Just hope they throw away the key when they lock him up.

[TracerBullet]

I see what you mean TB but we are talking about a bloody hospital here, one where patients go in perfect confidence that they will be treated with "conventional" means, not unsterilized lemon juice. Just got to wonder if he even soap the lemon to remove any waxy residues or impurities on the peel.

Even a bottle of peroxide is cheaper than lemons. Just hope they throw away the key when they lock him up.

Oh I agree, no excuse for a hospital to use such methods. I just thought it was funny that the focus was on lemon juice rather than a doctor not doing his job.

[Raptor Jesus]

We are surrounded by quacks on one hand and big pharma on the other...

The only way out is the new wave of anti-septics. Byotrol, MMS and a few others may be the way forward.

I firmly believe that there are better anti-septics out there than what's used in standard hospitals, but they're probably little known.

[MissSilver]

Oh I agree, no excuse for a hospital to use such methods. I just thought it was funny that the focus was on lemon juice rather than a doctor not doing his job.


Well, isn't obvious that he was not doing his job by using lemon juice?

At this point, some teatree or lavender essential oil with a honey wound dressing is far preferable than the brand of medicine he practiced.

[TracerBullet]

Well, isn't obvious that he was not doing his job by using lemon juice?

At this point, some teatree or lavender essential oil with a honey wound dressing is far preferable than the brand of medicine he practiced.

Yeah, but it was not the lemon juice that was the problem, it was the doctor using it.

[Raptor Jesus]

In front of me live.

The guy had an allergy, I seriously would have not known what to do. One of the people in the room was a TA medic, he did everything. It shit me up for months afterwards, I honestly thought the guy was dead.

Something I never want to see again.


Interesting Tracer, like yr other Derren Brown story... If you've got time to write more details one day I'm sure people'd like to read it.

[MissSilver]

Yeah, but it was not the lemon juice that was the problem, it was the doctor using it.


Yeah, him and the ones who allowed him to go on with a less than sterile "antiseptic" without speaking up on his practice.

[TracerBullet]

Interesting Tracer, like yr other Derren Brown story... If you've got time to write more details one day I'm sure people'd like to read it.

I still have the flyer from the time that Derren Brown show was filmed, next time I visit my Mom's house I will take a pic.

Here is the episode, notice how little is filmed inside the winter gardens? Consider they rented it for a day, surprising no?

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-trick-of-the-mind/4od/player/2922193

Oh and just incase you wondered I lived on Cavendish Road, Bispham Blackpool.

[Raptor Jesus]

No I believe you on the Derren Brown story I was just interested details on the operation episode... But whenever yr ready it's no big deal.

[TracerBullet]

Basically, I used to hang out with a few guys in a flat near my Mom's. I was about 17, they were all 19 to 21/22, I knew one of the guys quite well (the guy who's flat it was) my parents went to the same school as his parents.

3 of us were sitting around drinking, having a laugh. Two of his mates came around, one of them had a severe allergy to nuts. Basically my mate who's flat it was had some left over curry, it had ground cashew nuts in. The guy ate some not realising and went into anaphylactic shock. He started going red, blotchy, sweaty and choking.

The best mate of the guy who's place it was knew exactly what to do, whilst on the phone to the emergency services, tipped vodka over his neck, put a small horizontal (1/1.5cm) slit in the lower of the guys throat with a knife, screamed get a pen or straw, pen was closer, put it in. Sat with the guy keeping him breathing as best as it was possible, less than 10 mins later ambulance turned up.

I don't think I left the seat I was in the whole time, I was scared shitless, I seriously thought the guy was already dead.

He survived, was cool, I moved to Blackpool a few months after at the end of the college year.

[Raptor Jesus]

Thx for typing wow...

Gave me the shivers that did.

[TracerBullet]

Yeah, I was really fucking scared at the time. If it was not for the guy having medical training in the TA he would have died I am sure. Unlucky for everyone in the room apart from the guy with the allergy, he was lucky as fuck.

[Raptor Jesus]

That nut allergy is crazy, is it only people in western countries that suffer from it?

I wonder if it's some sort of toxin blocking a natural process.

[TracerBullet]

Did some searching on the subject, can't seem to find if its localised at all. Here is some interesting info on "tree nut" allergies.

http://foodallergies.about.com/od/nutallergies/p/treenutallergy.htm

[Lexion]

We are surrounded by quacks on one hand and big pharma on the other...

The irony here is amazing.

More collodial silver, anyone ?

I'm surprised the pseudo medical
practitioners haven't jumped in
saying he was correct in using
lemon juice.

Maybe if he had used a rife machine,
it would have all been ok.

[anarch]

The irony here is amazing.

More collodial silver, anyone ?

I'm surprised the pseudo medical
practitioners haven't jumped in
saying he was correct in using
lemon juice.

Maybe if he had used a rife machine,
it would have all been ok.

Its beautiful that you single me out. Maybe you should of read the first page.

[captainkiwi]

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