haitis gettin wrecked!

[guinnessford]

quake, and then aftershock after aftershock...

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2433581

[MissSilver]

You just got to wonder why it is always Haiti who gets that type of shit while the dominican republic remains unscathed.

Boggles the mind.



"While officials are currently assessing the damage and the possibility of Canadians injured, Canada stands ready to provide any necessary assistance to the people of Haiti during this time of need."Sad part is that practically no relief aid will make it through, to many corrupted officials in their country. Seen it happened when that hurricane hit Haiti some years ago.

The Haitians in montreal were raising money to send to their people. Turned out that the money and clothing never made it there for the organizers of the fund raising made off with the money the community had raised.

Canadian aids back then mostly consisted of bottled water, a real joke.

[guinnessford]

what a fukkin mess it is there.

15 aftershocks, all above 4.8

thats like 14 more quakes.

[guinnessford]

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[mur]

Wow...my heart goes out to those folks

[Royal]

I'm jealous.

[guinnessford]

I'm jealous.


jeez royal....

its dark, and gettin a quake every 5 min.

everythings fallen down around you...nothing left.

go to detroit if you want some of that

[Lexion]

HAARP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!eleven!!bbq!!11

[guinnessford]

wondering bout haarp....

didnt wanna be the first to think it, though.

[Lexion]

Sarcasm, GF.

Pure sarcasm.

[skunk]

7.0 earthquake...

Stay safe Haitians.

[guinnessford]

http://twitpic.com/xvbh7

[Lexion]

Any spirals in the sky ?

[guinnessford]

Sarcasm, GF.

Pure sarcasm.


i dont know enuff about it, besides both sides of what ive read.

[mur]

Watching Nightline...devastation is truly appalling.

The USA should invade and take over.....

[anarch]

Jesus they got whacked!

[MissSilver]

Watching Nightline...devastation is truly appalling.

The USA should invade and take over.....

The US already occupied Haiti back from 1915 to 1934.

The CIA meddled during the Duvalier regime. There are wild rumors that it was the US that supplied weapons to Duvalier so his regime of terror would continue... but of course, it is only rumors. The CIA is never squeaky clean when it comes to meddling with foreign relation :rolleyes:

Haiti will always be corrupt, sad but true. Child slave trade is still active over there. As long as they remain under educated, nothing will change.

[Paroxysm]

Watching Nightline...devastation is truly appalling.

The USA should invade and take over.....

:lol:

They probably already have plans to do so...:lol:

[DaMajikNinja]

Things we should be thinking about:

1) HAARP and/or Other Ionospheric Heaters
Can anyone verify if the HAARP array is/was active around the time of the quakes? EISCAT? Any report of strange clouds or visuals in the sky over Haiti/Cali/Mexico before/during/after the quakes?

2) Unusual Natural Occurrence
Do these quakes fit the norm? Anything strange here? Seems to be a lot of noteworthy to significant quakes occurring around the world. Is there any data to support a link to Pole Shift? NEOs? Solar activity? Effects from Sagittarius A via Dark Rift? Any indication of irregular auroral activity?

3) Typical Natural Occurrence
Are these events insignificant from the perspective of geologic record? Is this par for the course?

[mur]

The US already occupied Haiti back from 1915 to 1934.

The CIA meddled during the Duvalier regime. There are wild rumors that it was the US that supplied weapons to Duvalier so his regime of terror would continue... but of course, it is only rumors. The CIA is never squeaky clean when it comes to meddling with foreign relation :rolleyes:

Haiti will always be corrupt, sad but true. Child slave trade is still active over there. As long as they remain under educated, nothing will change.

For humanitarian purposes only

[anarch]

The after shocks are still going.... This earthquake has not stopped since it started.... Checked out the USGS site... Another 4.7 in the last hour....

That whole area is lite up like a christmas tree.

[skunk]

Watching Nightline...devastation is truly appalling.

The USA should invade and take over.....

We occupied Haiti temporarily in 2004 during their rebellion.

[MissSilver]

For humanitarian purposes only

I will not argue the semantics of the CIA and how they are notorious about meddling with other nations foreign policies mur... Already have my hands full with those stark raving idiots on IMBD about the movie "The Road"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/board/thread/155218954

It is just another doomsday post apocalyptic movie that some people see as gospel and if you disagree with them, then you are the worst retard on earth.

*UGH*

Tiring bunch of nit picking fuckers :rolleyes:

On another note, sad what happened to Haiti and getting suspicious of those more than unreal aftershocks.

DaMajikNinja certainly raised good questions.

[skunk]

Possibly 100,000 dead and 3 million effected by this earthquake. Considering Haiti's population is only 9 million, that's pretty fucking brutal.

[Jackinthebox]

My cousin and her family just came back from Haiti. They were there on a humanitarian mission to help build housing.

[Lexion]

Glad I got my HAARP jibe
in early.



Things we should be thinking about:

1) HAARP and/or Other Ionospheric Heaters
Can anyone verify if the HAARP array is/was active around the time of the quakes? EISCAT? Any report of strange clouds or visuals in the sky over Haiti/Cali/Mexico before/during/after the quakes?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/TactFP.png

IT'S A FUCKING EARTHQUAKE

[guinnessford]

im not shocked by pictures, but the ones ive seen are pretty bad.

[mur]

Glad I got my HAARP jibe
in early.




http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/TactFP.png

IT'S A FUCKING EARTHQUAKE



QFT

[anarch]

They are still having aftershocks.... 5 pointers...

It does not stop!

I have never seen anything like this...Not Mt St Helens.... nothing..

[skunk]

3) Typical Natural Occurrence
Are these events insignificant from the perspective of geologic record? Is this par for the course?

Yes this happens all the time unfortunately.

Experts warned of Haiti earthquake risk (http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/01/12/caribbean.earthquakes/index.html)

Haiti lies near the Enriquillo-Plantain Garden fault zone.

This story has a timeline of natural disasters to hit Haiti.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/6978919/Haiti-earthquake-history-of-natural-disasters-to-hit-the-country.html

[mur]

I will not argue the semantics of the CIA and how they are notorious about meddling with other nations foreign policies mur... Already have my hands full with those stark raving idiots on IMBD about the movie "The Road"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/board/thread/155218954

It is just another doomsday post apocalyptic movie that some people see as gospel and if you disagree with them, then you are the worst retard on earth.

*UGH*

Tiring bunch of nit picking fuckers :rolleyes:

On another note, sad what happened to Haiti and getting suspicious of those more than unreal aftershocks.

DaMajikNinja certainly raised good questions.


Many folks are going to die in the aftermath.

We are needed to restore order.

US military response could be swift...and we have the resources to save lives.

If not us, then someone needs to get the fuck in there, and quick.

[anarch]

Yes this happens all the time unfortunately.


But this is unreal.... And it is was I say we are a flea on an elephants but by comparasion to our impact on the earth...

We can not do whats happening in Hati... not by anything I know of...

That fucker started at a 7 and has not stopped shaking yet....Surreal.

[skunk]

Timeline of haitian earthquakes from 1820-2010 (http://www.google.com/search?q=history+of+haitian+earthquakes&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=fOdNS6alCMyutgfrtfDkDA&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=13&ved=0CDcQ5wIwDA)

EDIT: Not all of the earthquakes cited are in haiti.

[Lexion]

I feel for the people, and agree
with Mur.

We should be mobilizing our people
there, to assist.

About the quake.....

Haiti sits on a fucking fault.

Faults build up energy, then
release it.

Mother Nature having an orgasm,
at our expense.

[skunk]

Many folks are going to die in the aftermath.

We are needed to restore order.

US military response could be swift...and we have the resources to save lives.

If not us, then someone needs to get the fuck in there, and quick.

There's already a carrier en route, having trouble finding a source online, but I saw it on the news this morning.

[Lexion]

LOS ANGELES – January 12, 2010 – California Task Force 2 (CA-TF2), Los Angeles County Fire’s world-class Heavy Rescue Task Force, has been mobilized for deployment to Haiti to help rescue and recover earthquake victims in the impoverished Caribbean nation, following the reported 7.0 magnitude quake southwest of Port-au-Prince earlier this afternoon.

Commanders of the 72-member team received the request from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and are currently staging at the Department’s USAR Facility in Pacoima.

Source (http://calfire.blogspot.com/2010/01/usar-ca-tf2-mobilizes-for-haiti.html)

Those guys know what they're
doing.

Edit for wrong BB tags.

[skunk]

You used youtube tags to quote a site lol?

[Lexion]

You used youtube tags to quote a site lol?

Hush.

:D

[mur]

72?

I was thinking along the lines of at least 5000

[mur]

MASH units, Engineers, MP's....the country's infrastructure has been totally wiped out.

Jesus, it's a chance for the USA to do the right thing.

Certainly it is a mission that has a winnable outcome, unlike Afghanistan.

[Lexion]

I'm waiting for the mass
looting stories.

You know it's gonna happen.

[guinnessford]

I'm waiting for the mass
looting stories.

You know it's gonna happen.


already going on, im sure.

it was dark already, and im sure theyve been hungry.

is it looting still if its survival?
im sure the looters starting now are missing out.....

[guinnessford]

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20100113085636891C105820

[Lexion]

is it looting still if its survival?


Yeah, I'm a bit cynical.

Looting to survive is fine.

After Katrina, those looters
were stealing booze and TV's.

Survival at it's best.

[guinnessford]

booze i can see.

where the fukk did they plug in and watch tvs?

thems the slow looters.....

[Lexion]

thems the slow looters.....

No, thems the bruthas sticking
it to tha mens.

[guinnessford]

carrying a 40 in tv thru waist deep water while drinkin scotch....yeah, thats how id pay back da man!!

tardfest

got both hands full, and someone else wants ur scotch....uh oh

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Nutjob.jpg

[skunk]

What. A. Fucktard.

Pat Robertson Blames Haiti Earthquake on "Pact With the Devil"

S5nraknWoes

[hp]

Haarp, voodoo, nope, it is a pre-eclipse quake.

I wish these wizards would get off their rears and use the profound knowledge they possess to save the world.

[skunk]

I wish these wizards would get off their rears and use the profound knowledge they possess to save the world.

You and me both HP.

Maybe Pat Robertson can make a pact with god and start the rapture early.

[guinnessford]

imagine using HALF the technology we have to straighten out the wrongs...

[hp]

You and me both HP.

Maybe Pat Robertson can make a pact with god and start the rapture early.

Careful there. I think some of the religious element is hoping for WW3 or the like to cause it. I personally believe that would be a fail.

[Cogburn]

What. A. Fucktard.

Pat Robertson Blames Haiti Earthquake on "Pact With the Devil"


The sad part is, according to NPR so do many Hatians.

[theeindiee]

I blame the giant Magma Turtles.

[hp]

"They'll [the Obama administration] use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community, in the light-skinned and black-skinned community in this country. It's made to order for them. That's why he could not wait to get out there. Could not wait to get out there." -- Rush Limbaugh

Asshats never take a day off.

[skunk]

I heard about that yesterday...

You don't have to like Obama to realize he isn't doing this for "credibility" within the black community.

If Bush sent aid, Limbaugh would have praised him as a fucking hero.

[skunk]

Our very own cockburn wrote an article in the independent.

This is an opinion piece of course, and we wouldn't have it any other way.

Patrick Cockburn: America is failing Haiti – again (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-america-is-failing-haiti-ndash-again-1869539.html)

The US-run aid effort for Haiti is beginning to look chillingly similar to the criminally slow and disorganised US government support for New Orleans after it was devastated by hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Five years ago President Bush was famously mute and detached when the levees broke in Louisiana. By way of contrast, President Obama was promising Haitians that everything would be done for survivors within hours of the calamity.

The rhetoric from Washington has been very different during these two disasters, but the outcome may be much the same. In both cases very little aid arrived at the time it was most needed and, in the case of Port-au-Prince, when people trapped under collapsed buildings were still alive. When foreign rescue teams with heavy lifting gear does come it will be too late. No wonder enraged Haitians are building roadblocks out of rocks and dead bodies.

In New Orleans and Port-au-Prince there is the same official terror of looting by local people, so the first outside help to arrive is in the shape of armed troops. The US currently has 3,500 soldiers, 2,200 marines and 300 medical personnel on their way to Haiti.

Of course there will be looting because, with shops closed or flattened by the quake, this is the only way for people to get food and water. Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world. I was in Port-au-Prince in 1994, the last time US troops landed there, when local people systematically tore apart police stations, taking wood, pipes and even ripping nails out of the walls. In the police station I was in there were sudden cries of alarm from those looting the top floor as they discovered that they could not get back down to the ground because the entire wooden staircase had been chopped up and stolen.

I have always liked Haitians for their courage, endurance, dignity and originality. They often manage to avoid despair in the face of the most crushing disasters or any prospect that their lives will get better. Their culture, notably their painting and music, is among the most interesting and vibrant in the world.

It is sad to hear journalists who have rushed to Haiti in the wake of the earthquake give such misleading and even racist explanations of why Haitians are so impoverished, living in shanty towns with a minimal health service, little electricity supply, insufficient clean water and roads that are like river beds.

This did not happen by accident. In the 19th century it was as if the colonial powers never forgave Haitians for staging a successful slave revolt against the French plantation owners. US marines occupied the country from 1915 to 1934. Between 1957 and 1986 the US supported Papa Doc and Baby Doc, fearful that they might be replaced by a regime sympathetic to revolutionary Cuba next door.

President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, a charismatic populist priest, was overthrown by a military coup in 1991, and restored with US help in 1994. But the Americans were always suspicious of any sign of radicalism from this spokesman for the poor and the outcast and kept him on a tight lead. Tolerated by President Clinton, Aristide was treated as a pariah by the Bush administration which systematically undermined him over three years leading up to a successful rebellion in 2004. That was led by local gangsters acting on behalf of a kleptocratic Haitian elite and supported by members of the Republican Party in the US.

So much of the criticism of President Bush has focused on his wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that his equally culpable actions in Haiti never attracted condemnation. But if the country is a failed state today, partly run by the UN, in so far as it is run by anybody, then American actions over the years have a lot to do with it.

Haitians are now paying the price for this feeble and corrupt government structure because there is nobody to co-ordinate the most rudimentary relief and rescue efforts. Its weakness is exacerbated because aid has been funnelled through foreign NGOs. A justification for this is that less of the money is likely to be stolen, but this does not mean that much of it reaches the Haitian poor. A sour Haitian joke says that when a Haitian minister skims 15 per cent of aid money it is called "corruption" and when an NGO or aid agency takes 50 per cent it is called "overheads".

Many of the smaller government aid programmes and NGOs are run by able, energetic and selfless people, but others, often the larger ones, are little more than rackets, highly remunerative for those who run them. In Kabul and Baghdad it is astonishing how little the costly endeavours of American aid agencies have accomplished. "The wastage of aid is sky high," said a former World Bank director in Afghanistan. "There is real looting going on, mostly by private enterprises. It is a scandal." Foreign consultants in Kabul often receive $250,000 to $500,000 a year, in a country where 43 per cent of the population try to live on less than a dollar a day.

None of this bodes well for Haitians hoping for relief in the short term or a better life in the long one. The only way this will really happen is if the Haitians have a legitimate state capable of providing for the needs of its people. The US military, the UN bureaucracy or foreign NGOs are never going to do this in Haiti or anywhere else.

There is nothing very new in this. Americans often ask why it is that their occupation of Germany and Japan in 1945 succeeded so well but more than half a century later in Iraq and Afghanistan was so disastrous. The answer is that it was not the US but the efficient German and Japanese state machines which restored their countries. Where that machine was weak, as in Italy, the US occupation relied with disastrous results on corrupt and incompetent local elites, much as they do today in Iraq, Afghanistan and Haiti.

[anarch]

The US-run aid effort for Haiti is beginning to look chillingly similar to the criminally slow and disorganised US government support for New Orleans after it was devastated by hurricane Katrina in 2005.

So much is wrong with that first paragraph alone. Haiti is not turning away any aid unlike the aid relief that was turned away during after Katrina. Haiti did not have advanced warning of the impending disaster unlike Katrina. Haiti is on an island in the Caribbean and not accessible by US maintained roads. Haiti is not a US possession. Haiti has already received a US response where as the folks of New Orleans were still waiting for a response five days after the storm had passed.

Both events are very bad but I do not see a similarity between the two beyond both events being horrible natrual disasters. One situation was exasperated by the US government the other is already receiving world wide assistance.

[Cogburn]

+1

[skunk]

The piece was slanted, its opinion, and written by a brit. What'd ya expect?

Haiti is in far worse condition than NOLA though, and we are definitely helping out a lot more and faster.

[Mungodave]

Haiti disaster 'like no other'

By North America correspondent Lisa Millar (http://www.abc.net.au/profiles/content/s1889116.htm?site=news) and wires
Posted 3 hours 43 minutes ago
Updated 2 hours 34 minutes ago
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http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201001/r499345_2630785.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201001/r499345_2630790.jpg) The UN says the catastrophe has left affected regions with little infrastructure. (Reuters: Carlos Barria)



Video: Rescuers dig survivors from rubble (ABC News) (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201001/r499134_2629225.asx)
Video: Aid arrives in Port-au-Prince (ABC News) (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201001/r499136_2629241.asx)
Audio: Logistical problems delay aid in Haiti (AM) (http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/audio/am/201001/20100116-sam1-us-efforts.mp3)
Audio: Little food and shelter for Haiti's survivors (AM) (http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/audio/am/201001/20100116-sam2-mcmullen.mp3)
Audio: US helicopters arrive in Haiti but safe landing sites are scarce (AM) (http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/audio/am/201001/20100116-sam3-lisa-cross.mp3)
Audio: Angry scenes in Port au Prince as the city runs out of fuel and basic foods (AM) (http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/audio/am/201001/20100116-sam9-haiti-cross.mp3)
Related Story: Bottleneck paralyses Haiti relief efforts (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/15/2792847.htm)
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The United States military is trying to find a solution to the supply bottle-neck at Port-au-Prince airport, as Haitians struggle to survive what the United Nations has described as the worst disaster it has ever confronted.
The USS Carl Vinson is now situated about 15 kilometres off the Haiti coast and its aircraft have been dropping supplies, so many in fact they have run out.
They are not the only navy ship in the region and they are waiting for more supplies from Guantanamo Bay.
But Rear Admiral Ted Branch says he is frustrated that there are supplies sitting at Port-au-Prince airport brought in by other agencies, which they can not get out.
He says he would like to use the navy's choppers but the coordination on the ground just is not there.
A UN spokeswoman has said earthquake is the worst disaster ever confronted by the organisation, pointing out that the catastrophe has left affected regions with little infrastructure.
"This is a historic disaster. We have never been confronted with such a disaster in the UN memory. It is like no other," Elisabeth Byrs, spokeswoman of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said.
A UN assessment team surveying three towns to the west of Port-au-Prince found that Leogane, with a population of 134,000, was "the worst affected area with 80 to 90 per cent of buildings damaged."
"According to the local police, between 5,000 to 10,000 people have been killed and most bodies are still in the collapsed buildings," Ms Byrs said.
"No local government infrastructure remains."
The assessment team also surveyed Carrefour, which has 334,000 inhabitants, and found that 40 to 50 per cent of buildings in the town's worst-affected areas had been destroyed.
Meanwhile in Gressier, which has 25,000 inhabitants, around 40 to 50 per cent of the buildings - including the police station - had been destroyed.
"Search and rescue teams are in these areas," said Ms Byrs, who stressed that there was an "urgent need for medical care."
Rescue efforts are however being hindered by three major constraints - transport, communications and fuel.
The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, is expected in Haiti tomorrow to see the situation for herself.
Mrs Clinton says she will meet Haiti's President and American civilian and military leaders.
"We will also be conveying very directly and personally to the Haitain people our long term, unwavering support, solidarity and sympathies, to reinforce President Obama's message that they are not facing this crisis alone," she said.
US Navy Commander Ron Flanders, who is coordinating the relief effort from Florida, says navy helicopters are vital for the mission.
"We have right now 19 helicopters at our disposal off the USS Carl Vinson that will be available to lift supplies and move them around to the people that need them," he said.
"If the roads are impassable helicopters can be used and the helicopter can be quite valuable as a tool to get these supplies rapidly to the people that need them."




Tragic really.

The shit is there for them, they just cant distribute it.

So sad.



Mungo


.

[Mungodave]

And a big " good on you Yanks"

for steaming as fast as you did.

Our government just fuckin talks about it.

Just like they do with most shit.

Thier plight really gives me pause.

There is nothing I can do sadly.

Mungo


.

[anarch]

I gotta say I don't like the Australian Broadcasting network. I click on one link and read about how their airport is congested with planes flying aid in and that boats are coming in and how the french are sending ships and infrastructure resources and what not.... And then I click another link saying the Haitians are stacking dead bodies in the road in protest of the lack of aid and are being forced to wait for much needed aid...

Well which is it? It can not be both. Either the boats are steaming in and the airport is over loaded and the Dominican Republic is doing its part OR they are getting the Katrina treatment. But it can't be both.

ABC down under sucks.

[Cogburn]

Actually.... it can be.


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01560/BODIES_1560043c.jpg
Haiti's shell-shocked government gave the United States control over its main airport to bring order to aid flights from around the world and speed relief to the impoverished Caribbean nation.
Trucks piled with corpses have been carrying bodies to hurriedly excavated mass graves outside the city but thousands of bodies still are believed buried under rubble.

"We have already collected around 50,000 dead bodies," Paul Antoine Bien-Aime, Haiti's interior minister told Reuters. "We anticipate there will be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead in total, although we will never know the exact number."
Around 40,000 bodies have been buried in mass graves.
Although doctors, rescue teams and supplies had been flying into the Haitian capital, Port au Prince, a series of bottlenecks meant aid was not getting to those who needed it most.
The sound of gunfire echoed around Port au Prince as looters fought over scarce food supplies, hijacked vehicles and raided a UN warehouse where 15,000 tons of food had been stockpiled.
Even the most stoic Haitians began to express frustration at the continued lack of help on the fourth day of their ordeal, and in one part of the capital corpses were piled up to build roadblocks in protest at the delays.
David Wimhurst, spokesman for the Brazilian-run UN peacekeeping mission in Haiti, said: "They want us to provide them with help, which is, of course, what we want to do. But they're slowly getting more angry and impatient."
Brazil's defence minister Nelson Jobim, who spent two days in Port au Prince, said: "As long as the people are hungry and thirsty, as long as we haven't fixed the problem of shelter, we run the risk of riots."
The problem has been worsened by the complete destruction of Port-au-Prince's main prison, where almost all of the 4,000 inmates survived the earthquake and are now roaming the streets.
Rescuers have been told to stop work when it gets dark because of fears they will be attacked.
"Our biggest problem is security," said Delfin Antonio Rodriguez, rescue commander for the Dominican Republic. "Yesterday they tried to hijack some of our trucks. Today we were barely able to work in some places because of that. There's looting and people with guns out there, because this country is very poor and people are desperate."
Shaul Schwarz, a photographer for TIME magazine, said he saw at least two roadblocks formed with bodies of earthquake victims and rocks.
"They are starting to block the roads with bodies," he said. "It's getting ugly out there. People are fed up with getting no help."
Pierre Jackson, who is desperate for medical help for his mother and sister who both have crushed legs, said: "We've been out here waiting for three days and three nights but nothing has been done for us. What should we do?"
The main pinch point is at the small airport in Port au Prince, which lost its control tower in the tremor. It became so clogged with aid aircraft that many of them had to wait hours to be unloaded and it had to be closed to new arrivals for eight hours. A shortage of jet fuel also meant some could not take off again.
"There's only so much concrete," said US Air Force Col Buck Elton. "It's a constant puzzle of trying to move aircraft in and out."
Once supplies had been unloaded, blocked roads meant progress in getting them to where they were needed was desperately slow. "People have been almost fighting over water," said aid worker Fevil Dubien as he distributed water from a lorry in a suburb of Port-au-Prince.
The situation improved with the arrival of the American aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, with 19 helicopters on board, which will be used to transport supplies by air. The US is also sending more than 10,000 soldiers and marines to keep the peace.
Charities have managed to set up several field hospitals, and 17 search and rescue teams were picking through the rubble of collapsed buildings with sniffer dogs, pausing every so often to wait for aftershocks to pass.
Most Haitians, however, are still having to use their bare hands to search for survivors.
"We hear on the radio that rescue teams are coming from the outside but nothing is coming," said Jean-Baptiste Lafontin Wilfried, as he helped dig through the remains of an office building. "We only have our fingers to look for survivors."
The World Food Programme (WFP) said it was drawing up plans to feed two million people for a month.
Emila Casella, of the WFP, said: "The physical destruction is so great that physically getting from point A to B with the supplies is not an easy task. Pictures can get out instantly ... and that's important because the world needs to know. But getting physically tons and tons of equipment and food and water is not as instant as Twitter or Skype or 24-hour television news."
The charity Medecins Sans Frontieres said "thousands" of people in Haiti were waiting for surgical treatment. The UN was looking at the possibility of using the national soccer stadium in Port au Prince as a base for a giant field hospital.
Meanwhile, with bloated corpses posing an increasing risk to public health, mass graves were being dug to get the bodies off the streets.
Aid workers from as far afield as China, France, Iceland and Venezuela are among those already deployed on the ground in Haiti.
Some of the injured, including Spain's ambassador to Haiti and some staff from the US embassy, were taken to the nearby US naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba – site of the controversial prison camp for terrorism suspects – for medical treatment.
Liony Batista, project manager of the charity Food for the Poor, said: "I don't think that a word has been invented for what is happening in Haiti. It is a total disaster."

[Mungodave]

I gotta say I don't like the Australian Broadcasting network. I click on one link and read about how their airport is congested with planes flying aid in and that boats are coming in and how the french are sending ships and infrastructure resources and what not.... And then I click another link saying the Haitians are stacking dead bodies in the road in protest of the lack of aid and are being forced to wait for much needed aid...

Well which is it? It can not be both. Either the boats are steaming in and the airport is over loaded and the Dominican Republic is doing its part OR they are getting the Katrina treatment. But it can't be both.

ABC down under sucks.


Could be it's hard gettin facts from the ground...

Could be that your just being your usual cynical self.

Cant be both




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[anarch]

Could be it's hard gettin facts from the ground...

Could be that your just being your usual cynical self.

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FIXT

I am.

This is the kind of thing that does not sort itself out in a few days...hell they will still be fixing this by this time next year. And I can understand the trouble with getting facts on the ground... Hell I am impressed with the efforts made already. I been checking the earthquake map every day since this started (Got family in Dominica The island not the one next to Haiti) and since that 7 pointer Haiti has not stopped shaking... They have been suffering 5 pointer aftershocks like rain drops.

Surreal tragedy.

[Mungodave]

FIXT

I am.

This is the kind of thing that does not sort itself out in a few days...hell they will still be fixing this by this time next year. And I can understand the trouble with getting facts on the ground... Hell I am impressed with the efforts made already. I been checking the earthquake map every day since this started (Got family in Dominica The island not the one next to Haiti) and since that 7 pointer Haiti has not stopped shaking... They have been suffering 5 pointer aftershocks like rain drops.

Surreal tragedy.

Respect.

You now have mine.



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[skunk]

Apparently the doctors have all been kicked out of the hospital in fear they may be hurt or killed.

The source is the dailykos, but I saw this on the news yesterday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/16/825674/-U.N.-orders-Haiti-hospital-closedUpdatex12

I'll try finding a more reliable source.

EDIT: The doctors left friday night and were let back in this morning.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/16/haiti.updates.sat/

timeline of events above

[Ducky]

Let's get this forum back to it's original glory!!!!

[skunk]

Ducky are you drunk?

[Lexion]

Ducky are you drunk?

Pretty evident.

[GeneralStriker]

quack quack... urrrp

[skunk]

I think she passed out.

[GeneralStriker]

quackquackquackquackzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. ...

[skunk]

As Jack pointed out in another thread, and I've been meaning to do so for a few days...

The Haitian poor have been eating dirt cakes for food before the earthquake.

What are they eating now?

Poor Haitians resort to eating dirt cakes (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080130-AP-haiti-eatin.html)

[Hazelnut]

They are selling these dirt cookies for the equivalent of 5 cents each. The dirt is trucked into the marketplace to sell. Then women buy the dirt, add salt and shortening to bake the cookies on their roofs which they, in turn, sell to support their families.


Assessments of the health effects are mixed. Dirt can contain deadly parasites or toxins, but can also strengthen the immunity of fetuses in the womb to certain diseases, said Gerald N. Callahan, an immunology professor at Colorado State University who has studied geophagy, the scientific name for dirt-eating.



Haitian doctors say depending on the cookies for sustenance risks malnutrition.



"Trust me, if I see someone eating those cookies, I will discourage it," said Gabriel Thimothee, the executive director of Haiti's health ministry.
Marie Noel, 40, sells the cookies in a market to provide for her seven children. Her family also eats them.



"I'm hoping one day I'll have enough food to eat, so I can stop eating these," she said. "I know it's not good for me."

[guinnessford]

As Jack pointed out in another thread, and I've been meaning to do so for a few days...

The Haitian poor have been eating dirt cakes for food before the earthquake.

What are they eating now?

Poor Haitians resort to eating dirt cakes (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080130-AP-haiti-eatin.html)


dirt cakes mixed with concrete

[skunk]

Desperate people turn to desperate measures.

Dirt cakes mixed with human flesh probably wouldn't taste that bad...And there'd be some protein in it too!

A step up from their current situation.

[Hazelnut]

Desperate people turn to desperate measures.

Dirt cakes mixed with human flesh probably wouldn't taste that bad...And there'd be some protein in it too!

A step up from their current situation.

As heartwrenching as it sounds, I wouldn't blame them if they did. Starvation has stages. Once you reach the final stages after about 2 weeks, hunger ceases. Most living creatures will not reach the final stages before falling prey to disease or will simply lose the will to live.

For five years during my teens, I starved and not because I wanted to. At the worst, I never felt hungry, just a grinding pain in my midsection. At that point, the thought of food was enough to cause a gag reflex. Its bizarre. Once I was finally in a position where food was regularly available, I had to force myself to eat it.

I can only imagine what life would be like if everyone around me was starving at the same time with nothing but dirt to eat. It would be a living hell.

[GeneralStriker]

this all has the feel of the apocalypse about it. could this be coming soon to a neighborhood near you?

[skunk]

France accuses US of occupying Haiti (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020908/US-accused-of-occupying-Haiti-as-troops-flood-in.html)

I bet the French are pissed they didn't get a chance to take Haiti back after the Haitian revolution.

Now is not the time my friends.

The French minister in charge of humanitarian relief called on the UN to "clarify" the American role amid claims the military build up was hampering aid efforts.

Alain Joyandet admitted he had been involved in a scuffle with a US commander in the airport's control tower over the flight plan for a French evacuation flight.

"This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti," Mr Joyandet said.

The US is turning away medical supplies?

Geneva-based charity Medecins Sans Frontieres backed his calls saying hundreds of lives were being put at risk as planes carrying vital medical supplies were being turned away by American air traffic controllers.

But US commanders insisted their forces' focus was on humanitarian work and last night agreed to prioritise aid arrivals to the airport over military flights, after the intervention of the UN.

The priority has been to get as many troops as possible to help out, but not accept aid?

This makes no sense.

Haiti was occupied by the US between 1915 and 1935, and historical sensitivities together with friction with other countries over the relief effort has made the Americans cautious about their role in the operation.

American military commanders have repeatedly stressed that they are not entering the country as an occupying force.

Yet we sent troops just 6 years earlier during the revolt?

Starting to sound like a broken record...

A paratrooper sergeant said they were authorised to use "deadly force" if they see anyone's life in danger but only as a "last resort".

Yup, humanitarian aid alright.

However, it was agreed on Sunday night that the Americans would take over security at the four main food and water distribution points being set up in the city, Capt Kirby said.

"Security here is in a fluid situation," he said. "If the Haitian government asked us to provide security downtown, we would do that." He played down the threat of violence, saying: "What we're seeing is that there are isolated incidents of violence and some pockets where it's been more restive, but overall it's calm."


No policing role for U.S. troops in Haiti: Gates (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60H53A20100118)

Wait just a minute!

Capt Kirby seems to think quite differently Mr. Gates, as does the President of Haiti.

What's the difference between "peacekeeping" and "policing?"

Haitian President Rene Preval said on Sunday that U.S. troops will help U.N. peacekeepers keep order on Haiti's streets, where overstretched police and U.N. peacekeepers have been unable to provide full security.


Gates please stop talking out of your asshole for once.

Gates told reporters on a flight to India there would be a security element to U.S. relief efforts, but added: "I haven't heard of us playing a policing role at any point."

Asked about rules of engagement, he said "as anywhere we deploy our troops, they have the authority and the right to defend themselves."

"And they also have the right to defend innocent Haitians and members of the international community if they see something happen," he said.

:projectile:

US sending 10,000 troops to Haiti (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8462221.stm)

[Lexion]

France accuses US of occupying Haiti (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020908/US-accused-of-occupying-Haiti-as-troops-flood-in.html)

:lol:

Fuckers.

They build tanks with 6 reverse
gears, and one forward.

[mur]

I knew it

(CNN) -- Thursday, January 21
1:06 p.m. -- Soldiers at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have set up tents, beds and toilets in anticipation of a possible influx of Haitian refugees, a military spokeswoman said.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/21/haiti.updates.thursday/index.html?hpt=T1

[Lexion]

But.........but...........

The Magic Negro shut down Gitmo.

He PROMISED !!!

[Lexion]

But.........but...........

The Magic Negro shut down Gitmo.

He PROMISED !!!

[skunk]

He promised a lot of things.

[hp]

If they can cluster bomb iraq with MREs why not Haiti. Fly over and dump those puppies around the island.