My Rife Machine

[anarch]

I own a Rife machine. I have cured two cancers with it. Doctors are not allowed to use it in practice any doctor that uses it loses everything and normally does jail time even when his patients get cured.

It is a highly suppressed technology. I have mentioned it to a few on this forum and even asked on of our medical experts here to check it out.

Anyone want know more about this from my personal experiences?

[Snow Crash]

I own a Rife machine. I have cured two cancers with it. Doctors are not allowed to use it in practice any doctor that uses it loses everything and normally does jail time even when his patients get cured.

It is a highly suppressed technology. I have mentioned it to a few on this forum and even asked on of our medical experts here to check it out.

Anyone want know more about this from my personal experiences?

Yes please, tell us what's gone down. Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you direct us to some good designs online?

This stuff has been a curiousity to me for a while, but never seem to get round to having a crack at building one, unfortunately. I hear good things though, generally speaking.

[anarch]

I bought a pre-manufactured for 1600. I got a medical discount because I practice massage therapy and I said I would use this in my practice. The retail on my particular unit is 2k.

The cheapest units I have seen come from noriftrife.com .It utilizes a CD program that will use your computer to generate the frequencies. YOu just gotta splice some TENS unit pads into a speaker jack.

You can also buy copies of the CD program at Amazon.com Ebay went through a crack down recently and as such you will no longer find rife machines on EBAY... I did see some AWSOME stuff at amazon though... I wouldn't mind getting a newer better unit.

My unit is a crude but effective model. Uses contact cylinders. Better units use plasma tubes for frequency transmission.

Ummm Torrents have a Rife program circulating the tubz... Its a 30 day free trial program that you can always uninstall and reinstall.

So far I have seen my machine cure one bone cancer, one skin cancer and one case of vermox resistant pinworms.

[Snow Crash]

Outstanding! Much kudos for the healing there, and thanks for the search ideas. I just need to go knock over an armoured car to finance the machine now.... lol

[anarch]

hahahah YOur looking to get a plasma tube device I see. GOOD NEWS. In the last few years I have seen a dramatic decrease in the price on those. ...

Like I said AMAZON.com They got deals that beat Ebay hands down.

Like under a grand for a plasma tube device.

[Snow Crash]

I'll have a look around on Amazon and make a list while I wait for the armoured car.

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

I'll have a look around on Amazon and make a list while I wait for the armoured car.

Hahaha.

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

Oh btw, what else can these cure?

[Cogburn]

Anyone want know more about this from my personal experiences?
Sure.


I have cured two cancers with it. Prove that it was the effects of the machine and not any other circumstance. Please indicate exactly how you isolated the cause of remission to be your device.

How many cancers have you "treated" that did not go into remission?


It is a highly suppressed technology. Prove that it is being suppressed and not being subjected to the trials and tribulations of other medical quackery.

[anarch]

The Rife machine can cure anything viral or bacterial. It can not cure genetic or chromosomal defects. It is contraindicated for people that wear pace makers and pregnant women. It can really scramble a growing fetus. So that is one I always look out for when dealing with women.

It can not regrow lost tissue.

[Cogburn]

You're like one of those infomercials for the next wanna-be AmWay...

"Are you tired of your dead-end cancer treatments..."

Except there's never actually anything said about what you're supposed to be selling.

Then you find out that it's door-to-door steak knives.

[mojo]

Then you find out that it's door-to-door steak knives.

Sham WOW!!


:D



j/k anarch.

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

You're like one of those infomercials for the next wanna-be AmWay...

"Are you tired of your dead-end cancer treatments..."

Except there's never actually anything said about what you're supposed to be selling.

Then you find out that it's door-to-door steak knives.

:lol:

[anarch]

Sure.

Prove that it was the effects of the machine and not any other circumstance. Please indicate exactly how you isolated the cause of remission to be your device.

Um... Not sure how to do that. Their is a yahoo group that deals with Lyme disease and they do cultures and record the results under microscope. They are the ones fighting the hardest. They choose lyme disease as their choice pathogen because of its size. It is easy to see under commercial microscopes.

The Rife machine is not a diagnostic tool. With out a proper diagnosis your just shooting into the breeze hopeing to hit something.

Those I have treated I have never told to discontinue conventional therapy. To do so would be unethical and illegal. However their is no cure for multiple myaloma. No cure FDA approved anyways. After weeks of going back and forth to the doctor for blood tests because my bone cancer clients doctor could not accept the results he finally declared her in full remission after 6 weeks of treatment.

My skin cancer client had it cut out...after a year malignancies started re-appearing on her skin. After treatment swelling eased, malignancies disappeared and she is doing fine.

My pinworms case will speak for themself momentarily.








How many cancers have you "treated" that did not go into remission?


Zero. Granted I have not got many people to try it. That is the hardest thing to do. Most people dismiss it out of hand. I say "look just try it worst case scenario nothing happens". And to that they say no. The worst thing about owning something like this is watching it work , knowing you can help people and watching those fucks say NO! because they "know" it wont work... so they refuse to even try it.



Prove that it is being suppressed and not being subjected to the trials and tribulations of other medical quackery.

Suppression is not an easy thing to prove by definition. Your in the know. I am not a doctor myself, just a lowly RMT. So how would I go about setting up clinical trials.

.... As far as history goes, Dr. Rifes' labs were raided, his work destroyed on more than one occasion. The leading website on the subject is back up after going down from repeated hack attacks. Hulda Clark does not do the work of Royal Rife any favors. Her and her stupid fucking zapper...

This aint radonics. Its real science. Can I unilaterally prove suppression? Not as well as others have. www.rife.org is back online. They might be able to do the subject better justice than I.

[anarch]

You're like one of those infomercials for the next wanna-be AmWay...

"Are you tired of your dead-end cancer treatments..."

Except there's never actually anything said about what you're supposed to be selling.

Then you find out that it's door-to-door steak knives.

You know If I had half the appeal of one of those informercial sales people I would of cured the whole of Rhode Island by now.

[MissSilver]

I can say that it got me rid of a Pin worm problem I had for more than a year. I have tried all the conventional medicine had to offer, PinX vermox with no effect, it would give me relief for a few weeks but then, around 3 AM (weird on how they had that alarm clock to get active) I would wake up in a start, cussing with all my might!

I changed diet, tried to eliminate the most sugar from my food, went with natural alternatives (clove bud oil, Wormwood and black walnut hull tinctures) which also provided relief for a while but they always came back with a vengeance. Changed my bedsheets almost every day, washed my ass every morning, even resorted to duck tape FFS to slow down their progression and nothing worked (duck tape, I was desperate at that point had been a year or so) so much that I got myself a sugar cream pie and stuck a candle on it to celebrate their one year anniversary of them having successfully colonizing my colon. Not to forget the lovely feeling of tea tree oil around my anus and the fact that they loved warm and humid places, being a woman... I am pretty sure that I am forgetting a few things I have done in my desperation but just so people would get the picture, it was pretty bad.

I was miserable and in hell, could barely sleep and it put me in an almost constant bad mood.

Then I met my husband who convinced me to use his rife machine. I did not believe it at first and only did it to humor him but to my great surprise, even without medication, they went away and never came back.

So yay for me! That was more than 2 years ago.


I never poopooed on the rife machine after this.

A lot of people will talk against it, the rife machine, because it is misunderstood. It is not like it is suggested to stop all treatment for a cancer patient and only use the rife machine but to use it as a complement. It kills abnormal growth.

Also stop having dermal cysts when I started to use the rife machine regularly. it also drastically shrunk that HPV foot wart I've been carrying for 9 years.

[Cogburn]

Um... Not sure how to do that. Their is a yahoo group that deals with Lyme disease and they do cultures and record the results under microscope. They are the ones fighting the hardest. They choose lyme disease as their choice pathogen because of its size. It is easy to see under commercial microscopes.

The Rife machine is not a diagnostic tool. With out a proper diagnosis your just shooting into the breeze hopeing to hit something.

Those I have treated I have never told to discontinue conventional therapy. To do so would be unethical and illegal. However their is no cure for multiple myaloma. No cure FDA approved anyways. After weeks of going back and forth to the doctor for blood tests because my bone cancer clients doctor could not accept the results he finally declared her in full remission after 6 weeks of treatment.
Then how do you know it went into remission or was not already in remission when your "treatment" was applied?

What controls did you place on your subjects in order to verify that it was indeed the device that cured them?


My skin cancer client had it cut out...after a year malignancies started re-appearing on her skin. After treatment swelling eased, malignancies disappeared and she is doing fine.
How do you know that it was your treatment and not the medications the person was placed on after surgery, or that the witnessed changes were anything other than the expected reaction to professional treatment?


My pinworms case will speak for themself momentarily.
The device is sonic, correct? Ever heard of worm grunting?

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Zero. Granted I have not got many people to try it. So what you have is a single trial without any sort of controls by which you have declared the treatment of cancer a success?

[MissSilver]

The device is sonic, correct? Ever heard of worm grunting?




Ever had pin worms coming out of your ass?

trust me, YOU KNOW when they are coming out!

No, there was no mass exodus while I rifed myself, I would have felt them like I felt them for over a frigging year.

[anarch]

Then how do you know it went into remission or was not already in remission when your "treatment" was applied?


My bone cancer client was in a wheel chair when I met her. She had only gotten her diagnosis about a month or so when her husband found me online. I traveled to Houston once a week to let her use my machine and she only agreed to it as a favor to her husband. Over the course of time I watched her move to a walker then a cane then walking unassisted.

It was her doctor that made all diagnostic claims not me.

You can research multiple myaloma for yourself. As far as cancers go it is a pretty nasty one. It can be managed with some degree of success but remission is uncommon. Its a killer.




What controls did you place on your subjects in order to verify that it was indeed the device that cured them?All three of them? Well as I said before, I can not tell them to discontinue conventional therapy. To do so is a crime. Also I am not one fighting for great justice. That would be those Lyme Rifers that do that. They do cultures record the results send those results off to doctors, get ignored repeat the process all over again hopeing for someone to champion the cause and get this into clinical trials again. Their were the Mayo clinic trials in the 30s... but it never went past that despite the great results there too. Also I recently read about clinical trials in Germany for treating arthritis with the Rife machine.



How do you know that it was your treatment and not the medications the person was placed on after surgery, or that the witnessed changes were anything other than the expected reaction to professional treatment?
hmmm My skin cancer client had undergone the knife a year prior. She was no longer on meds. Not as far as she informed me. I had known her awhile and seen the malignancies before they were cut out. When they resurfaced they looked the same and she had told me that her doctor confirmed it... We used the rife machine and things changed.

So I can pretty much say it was the Rife machine there has she was pissed at the doctor for not getting it all when she underwent surgery. She didn't take meds or go under the knife again.. She did the machine only.





The device is sonic, correct?
Not entirely correct. MY DEVICE uses micro-current frequency. As best as I understand it is a combination ultrasound and electricity. Just to say I am a laymen on how it works. A doctor may not understand how lithium treats bi-polar disorder but he still knows it works and will prescribe it.

The original device uses plasma ray tubes to transmit the frequencies. My device does not utilize plasma ray tubes... Which is also why it takes longer to be more effective than the plasma devices.

Think of it as the difference between taking a shot or taking a pill. Both deliver your medicine but one will get into you alot quicker.




So what you have is a single trial without any sort of controls by which you have declared the treatment of cancer a success?Nooo What I have are anecdotal accounts of my past experiences that I have related. I do not speak from a medical point of view. I am not a doctor. I just know that those who have used it have recovered in amazing ways. If you do not understand that re-read over my accounts... AND if you know anyone that would be willing to give it a try then please let me know. I'll let anyone use it and you can judge the results from that.

I did not travel to Houston for 7 weeks on my own dime because I enjoyed a long ass but fuck boring ride ya know. I did it because I feel the obligation of owning something like this is allowing anyone to use it... even when they are far from me and I have to go to them. Although I do limit how far I am willing to go. I try to keep it in the same state. Anyone that wants to use it outta state has to pay for my ride... and if your gonna go that extent I can probably help you find something in your state...

[Cogburn]

It was her doctor that made all diagnostic claims not me.I'm assuming you have copies of such diagnostics in order to make your claims something other than a fairy tale.

If you have them, PM me and I will provide you a fax number.



All three of them? Well as I said before, I can not tell them to discontinue conventional therapy.
That's not what I asked. I asked if you established a set of controls by which you could determine if your device was effective. I'll take your response as a "no."


hmmm My skin cancer client had undergone the knife a year prior. She was no longer on meds. Not as far as she informed me. I had known her awhile and seen the malignancies before they were cut out. When they resurfaced they looked the same and she had told me that her doctor confirmed it... We used the rife machine and things changed. So you did not establish any baseline criteria before beginning your "treatment." There was no survey, no third-party diagnostics or testing, simply a one-on-one informal interview.

You have proof of nothing.


Not entirely correct. MY DEVICE uses micro-current frequency. As best as I understand it is a combination ultrasound and electricity. Just to say I am a laymen on how it works. A doctor may not understand how lithium treats bi-polar disorder but he still knows it works and will prescribe it.

The original device uses plasma ray tubes to transmit the frequencies. My device does not utilize plasma ray tubes... Which is also why it takes longer to be more effective than the plasma devices. No, you are completely wrong. A doctor must know biochemistry and how such drugs will not only affect the patient, but how it might interact with any other medications the patient might be taking. I'm not sure what you think physicians are doing for 12 years before their residency, but it's not all college bitches and keg parties.

The whole bit about ultrasound and electricity and plasma ray tubes doesn't even make sense.


Think of it as the difference between taking a shot or taking a pill. Both deliver your medicine but one will get into you alot quicker. That's not correct. Certain medications will be broken down by the digestive system before it reaches its intended target, so an injection into the blood stream is required.

Given you don't seem to know a thing about basic physics, medicine or chemistry I'm not surprised that not many people agree to be a guinea pig for your voo-doo science... no matter how dedicated you are to it.

[anarch]

WOW! Vitriolic much?

Let me see if I can make this clearer. I have related anecdotal accounts. Savvy? I am not fighting to get this medically accepted. Others are and I support them and their efforts. I am not trying to unequivocally irrefutably prove my machine. I don't have to do that. If some one wants to use it I will go to great lengths to help them. And if someone does not want to use that is there choice too.

Now READ ON



I'm assuming you have copies of such diagnostics in order to make your claims something other than a fairy tale.

If you have them, PM me and I will provide you a fax number.


Of course not. I do have the names of my clients but I do not keep in contact with them... I suppose I could make the effort. But so what? One case is gonna change the modern medical establishment? I doubt it.




So you did not establish any baseline criteria before beginning your "treatment." There was no survey, no third-party diagnostics or testing, simply a one-on-one informal interview. No I established nothing. I wasn't doing a study. I am not qualified to diagnose. I relied on what my clients told me as per their doctors. Then I let them use my machine for the disease they had been diagnosed with.



You have proof of nothing.
Maybe not but they do and I'm fine with that. They are better and thats enough for me.



No, you are completely wrong. A doctor must know biochemistry and how such drugs will not only affect the patient, but how it might interact with any other medications the patient might be taking. I'm not sure what you think physicians are doing for 12 years before their residency, but it's not all college bitches and keg parties.The theory of how lithium interacts with the brain to treat bi polar disorder is just that, a theory. Kinda like ADHD. No blood test can confirm it. It can only be diagnosed as a behavioral issue and treated with drugs that seem to have positive interactions with the patients and their disorders but the exact chemistry of how the chemicals help with the disorders is still something undergoing medical research. Knowing the contraindications and interactions is one thing. But understanding how it works with your neurons is something else.

Also I hear you can really fast track your medical schooling if you apply for Ross university.



That's not correct. Certain medications will be broken down by the digestive system before it reaches its intended target, so an injection into the blood stream is required.I gave you a metaphor to help illustrate the idea. Not bonafide medical advice. If the medication is oxy-cotin then it don't matter if you shot it , pop it, or snort it your still not gonna be feeling much pain. But the delivery method will change how long it takes before it you feel the effects. And that is what I was speaking on. The delivery method.



Given you don't seem to know a thing about basic physics, medicine or chemistry I'm not surprised that not many people agree to be a guinea pig for your voo-doo science... no matter how dedicated you are to it.As I said in the beginning. Vitriolic much. The Rife machine is non-invasive, not painful, and only costs you an amount of your time. Worst case scenario, it doesn't help and nothing happens. So why not go out on a limb and give it a try if you have nothing to lose but possibly a cure to gain?

Is it skepticism? Is skepticism worth it? Shouldn't a good skeptic give something the benefit of the doubt by trying it and then dismissing it after it doesn't work rather than doing that in reverse by dismissing it as bunk and choosing not to try it.

It's not voodoo science. It's legit. I can let anyone use it (provided they dont have a pace maker or a bun in the oven) and I do. So far those I have let use it have gotten better. Its anecdotal but thats enough for me. They got better and that is what counts.

[anarch]

In my OP I asked if people wanted to hear about my personal experiences. Remember that. These were not medical case studies or anything of that nature. Just my personal experiences.

[Snow Crash]

Hadn't you heard Anarch? the oh so honest and incorruptable FDA is the difference between legit medicine and snakeoil lol.

[anarch]

SO I understand snow crash so I understand. PHEN PHEN? AOK! Colloidal Silver? Snake oil!

Levaquin GOOD STUFF! Tea Tree oil? Alternative quackery!

And so it seems to go with the FDA. Who ever has the richest lobbyist has the most effective cure and those that come up with even more effective treatments need to STFU!

Its the way of the world.

We can only rail against it till it changes.

[Raptor Jesus]

Well done Anarch I've heard good things about Rife generators but never had the chance to try one... MMS is good stuff, have you ever tried it?

[anarch]

Miracle mineral solution? Never heard about it till I googled it five seconds ago. Do tell more while I read more.

Costs, uses, anytime or people when it shouldn't be used.

Yes do tell more.

[anarch]

OK I gotta say at first glance I am super skeptical of chlorine di oxide. Not that I would dis miss it out of hand... but this is one I would test on my kitty first. ... I love being a pet owner.

[Cogburn]

WOW! Vitriolic much?

Let me see if I can make this clearer. I have related anecdotal accounts. Savvy? I am not fighting to get this medically accepted. Others are and I support them and their efforts. I am not trying to unequivocally irrefutably prove my machine. I don't have to do that. If some one wants to use it I will go to great lengths to help them. And if someone does not want to use that is there choice too.

<SNIP>

It's not voodoo science. It's legit. I can let anyone use it (provided they dont have a pace maker or a bun in the oven) and I do. So far those I have let use it have gotten better. Its anecdotal but thats enough for me. They got better and that is what counts.

That's not vitriol, that's unrelenting logic, reason, and adherence to the scientific method.

It is not legit because you have no proof. Anecdotes are not proof. If that's enough for you, that's fine, but that's not how science works.

You are not a biochemist. You are not a physicist. You are not a doctor or otherwise trained in the medical arts. You cannot explain how the device operates. You cannot devise a blind study to determine its true effectiveness. You are nothing short of a True Believer (tm) and there's not a single reason in the world anyone should believe a thing you say.

http://doxxa.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/snake-oil.jpg

Vitriol? No, sir. Reality is a harsh mistress.

[Raptor Jesus]

I have but one anecdotal account for MMS, it has really helped my oral health... teeth tighter, cleaner and healthier. I don't have much time to post info right now Anarch but I have seen it work for myself...There are many many reports of it helping people out of decade long illnesses... cost: about 10 c per day.

[Cogburn]

The theory of how lithium interacts with the brain to treat bi polar disorder is just that, a theory. Kinda like ADHD. No blood test can confirm it. It can only be diagnosed as a behavioral issue and treated with drugs that seem to have positive interactions with the patients and their disorders but the exact chemistry of how the chemicals help with the disorders is still something undergoing medical research. Knowing the contraindications and interactions is one thing. But understanding how it works with your neurons is something else.
I wanted to address this gem specifically, as you haphazardly stumbled into the field of science for which I am about to receive my first degree: psychology.

ADHD shares many traits in common with autism spectrum disorders, making for analogous treatment regimens. ADHD is often (but not always) a purely psychological disorder, which makes controlling it a two pronged approach: pharmacology to forcibly affect behavior and a psychological evaluation to determine the best course of ongoing therapy to correct the overall behavior. All too often only the pharmacological approach is used and the disorder itself is merely suppressed, not treated.

Simply having a hyperactive child with a diverse range of interests is not reason for an Adderall prescription.

Have you ever heard of the Physician's Desk Reference (http://pdr.net/)? It is internationally recognized as primary resource for medical information, including: drug interaction tables for 1,000 common medications, diagnosis and treatment information for hundreds of common and uncommon ailments, and the online version contains up-to-date research abstracts for 20+ disciplines.

Doctors are not expected to know everything, they are only expected to know where to look for answers and how to interpret that information into a specific treatment for an individual.

I'm sorry you've had such poor experience with the medical profession, but that hardly justifies your ignorant statements.

Psychiatry is voo-doo. Psychology is science.

[KIWI]

lol cog, redundancy in the wind?.....colloidal silver gets the same treatment from the establishment, until they can charge you for it in your new refridgerator, H202 suffers the same......How big a slice of the "herbal remedy" pie to big pharma have cog?

christ!, theres $$ slipping by!....we better climb aboard

[KIWI]

BTW Cog, my m8s mum sent me a copy of the photo of that stone head , I havnt spoken to her so wont post it here just yet (wait permission) but will send you a copy to where ever if you like

[KIWI]

and its not without some small irony that you have Castenada in your siggy, the master of the herbal fixit ?.....:)

[anarch]

Vitriol Because you failed to observe my declaration made in my OP.

DO YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES?

Proof? Well Miss Silver chimed in with her story. I told you about my personal experiences, AND I have told you about the lyme rife group and what they do. And I have explained a time or two now that I am not trying to prove anything here. Nor am I trying to get this FDA approved. Others are working toward that end and it is a noble effort but not one I am apart of aside from my moral support for them. Again I am only relating personal experiences.

Skepticism is a good thing when properly applied. Should I be believed out of hand just because? No of course not. Should I be disbelieved out of hand just because? No thats not right either.

A good skeptic would want to test something.

You can do this yourself. You can download a rife program online.

http://rife-generator.timo-esser.downloadsoftware4free.com/

After you down load it your gonna want to splice some TENS unit pads into some spare speaker wire jack. The rife frequency will be generated through the speaker jack on your computer but not through speakers. Apply the pads to the the general area you would like to treat. If bone cancer is in your leg you can still treat it by applying the pads to your chest but the treatment is gonna be more effective/quicker if you apply the pads to your leg.

For your purposes , should you choose to go that far , I would recommend finding some one with psoriasis. For a controlled study find two people with psoriasis. Keep them separate don't let them talk to one another. Apply the pads to the affected area and treat one with the Rife corresponding program once or twice a week (your choice) and do the same with the other but don't treat them. Instead make it a fake like an actual TENS program... or do nothing and tell them that they are not supposed to feel anything... This is why you don't want the two subjects talking because using an audio carrier to transmit the frequency can cause anything from mild tingling sensation to sever muscle constriction depending on the intensity you apply. You want the subject to be able to feel it and thats it. You don't wanna turn it up to max intensity and freak em the fuck out. So if they talk to one another about their experiences you can see why that would be bad.

Anyways.

Treat the two individuals for 6 weeks. This might mean re-downloading the 30 day free trial version. OR you can spend 30 bucks on it. I hear their is also a cracked version on torrents but as near as I can tell the crack doesn't work.

After 6 weeks of treatment with the Rife machine the one that got it will show marked improvement. The one that did not get it will still have red blotchy skin. Since its topical the results would be easy to confirm or rebuke.

If your that skeptical and that passionate about proof one way or the other their is your method. Just make sure you follow the rules. No pacemaker people and no pregnant people.No heart stints either. Better safe than sorry. Be sure to explain to anyone with pins that they may observe some feeling there.

Have them drink a glass of water afterwards and tell them to come back next week or whatever.

If you want to be super clinical give everything I just said to a third party to carry out. I was just explaining a casual, on the the cheap thing. And I would let the two psoriasis sufferers continue to use whatever they are using to try and manage it because we both know their is no FDA cure for psoriasis sufferers and they could use all the help they can get. You can insist upon it for science but what I suggest is casual and as such I would treat the individuals gently.

And I only make these suggestions so you can rationally logically satisfy your own skepticism rather than dismissing me and what I have to say just because.

My only medical bona fides is a degree in Swedish and Sport massage. This does not mean what I said about the interaction Lithium and how it works is not true. And you know that. How it interacts with other drugs or maladies is one thing. How that particular drug itself works is another. Not understanding exactly how it works does not stop physicians from prescribing it. And that is common knowledge for anyone with a real interest in medicine.

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Apply logic , be rational, but don't call me full of shit unable to prove a damn thing just because you think I should prove it. I said nothing of the sort in my OP. Do doctors go to jail for using this in their practice? Yeah I can fetch proof of that in several different countries. Is this suppressed? You be the judge on that. After letting folks use my machine did they get better? YES! Were the cancer cases in remission when I let them use my machine? According to what they told me via their doctors , NO!
Is it possible conventional therapies healed either cancer case? No, not in the time frame they got better.

Has either case relapsed? When I last checked on my bone cancer case a few years back and about a year after her last treatment NO...no relapse. I keep in regular contact with my skin cancer case. No relapse there either.

Was it a miracle or mind over matter? Only if you believe in science. So far every individual that has given it the benefit of the doubt did so begrudgingly at the behest of others.

Skin cancer case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_cell_cancer It grew off her eyelid causing swelling around the area that went into the temple. She had it cut out. It grew back. Then she agreed to use my machine. It never came back.

Bone cancer case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_myeloma As I said I met this woman in a wheel chair. It was spreading from her leg. As far as conventional therapies go I know she did some chemo and one round of radiation. This was after we began the Rife sessions. Like I said, she had been recently diagnosed and her husband found me online with in a month or so of that diagnosis. 7 weeks, one Rife session a week. Complete remission. No more wheel chair, no walker, no cane. Took forever to get the freaking lab results on her blood because the doctor kept on sending them back as he took more blood for more tests. As far as I know from when I lasted contacted them , No relapse.

And thats my personal experience.

Also I know what a PDR is. Mine is from 2002 ...A little old. I know I should get a new one but I can always look up something online and thats helping my procrastination of getting a new one.

This is my unit. It is not the cheap computer version but it was not the most expensive model on the market either. It also comes with pads.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/MeRusty/SDC10837.jpg

[MrPenny]

A Rife Machine....hey?

I've been getting good results with one of these...

http://amkon.net/picture.php?albumid=11&pictureid=167

I power it up with rice and beans.

[anarch]

I bet you mine is more effective than yours.

[Cogburn]

and its not without some small irony that you have Castenada in your siggy, the master of the herbal fixit ?.....:)
There's a distinct difference between 8,000 year old homeopathic remedies and snake oil.


Vitriol Because you failed to observe my declaration made in my OP.

DO YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES?
I can't believe that you seriously expect that just because you employed some passive wording in your OP that your fairy tale was beyond question.

Are you trying to sell us something?

Should we move this thread to the SPAM can?


Skepticism is a good thing when properly applied. Should I be believed out of hand just because? No of course not. Should I be disbelieved out of hand just because? No thats not right either.

A good skeptic would want to test something.

You can do this yourself. You can download a rife program online.

I have attempted to show you how your anecdotes are not evidence by asking questions that any honest researcher would have arrived at on their own.

You're not a researcher. You're not a skeptic. You're a True Believer(tm).

Skepticism does not mean that I take time, effort, money, and energy and invest them in every single unsupported claim that crosses my monitor.

The fact that I am not moved to test this nonsense is because you've yet to provide even one single iota of factual evidence to justify spending such time.

You believe it works. That's awesome.

Why should I tilt at the same windmills when a True Believer(tm) can't prove that it works?

A good skeptic doesn't waste time on unsupported, poorly constructed theories offered by those that do not even understand the fundamentals of the phenomenon being discussed.

WHEN YOU MAKE A CLAIM THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.

Jesus why can't you people understand this.

[Cogburn]

Honest researchers don't spend all day trying to prove their theories right, they try to prove them wrong.

[MissA]

I don't think he claimed he was a "researcher", tho. I think that he found something that worked for him and shared his story. Research is for the purpose of proving something beyond abnormal behavior and into repeatable, generic behaviors and results. If it works for him then it works for him and that ought to be good enough to have justified putting money in.

My friend holds my thumbnails and asks me to say "hiccup" while looking into her eyes and it cures my hiccups. Is it going to work on everyone? No, but my brain somehow believes it works and it DOES work.

Good enough for me. When I get the hiccups I know right where to go.

[anarch]

I can't believe that you seriously expect that just because you employed some passive wording in your OP that your fairy tale was beyond question.


Well, its not a fairy tale. My wording was declarative not passive. I welcome questioning. Your going above and beyond questioning and have crossed into being dismissive.




Are you trying to sell us something?
Have I tried to sell anything here? Ever? If you were interested I offered you a link to a downloadable program. I said you could re-install it after 30 days or buy the thing. I do not own it. You could reset you computer clock for all I care , I was just trying to explain a casual skeptic test. I could of been more rigorous in the protocols and thought up a more clinical trial but I was trying to design something simple enough that you could do yourself if you so choose that would rationally and thoroughly prove or disprove the curative powers of the machine/frequencies.


It is frequency based therapy. Like ultrasound and kidney stones. It doesn't matter if the frequency is transmitted via your laptop/PC or from a prefab device. I tried to give you the easiest cheapest way I could find to allow you yourself to experiment with it.



I have attempted to show you how your anecdotes are not evidence by asking questions that any honest researcher would have arrived at on their own.

You're not a researcher. You're not a skeptic. You're a True Believer(tm).
Show me where I claimed to be a researcher. You attempted to show me that my personal experiences are not evidence by asking questions. Why didn't you ask me questions to understand my personal experience? You have come at me with a preconceived opinion that I am wrong and this machine is bogus and now your in aggressive mode trying to prove it.

You asked me how many of those cancer clients I treated did not go into remission.
I told you both folks I treated went into full remission... I followed up to let you know that neither one had relapsed.

You insisted I prove it was my device that cured those two cancers and nothing else. I do not think you will take me at my word and I have no documents. No video recordings. I did not take blood samples. I am not the one that is spear heading the effort to get this accepted. Neither is the lyme rife yahoo group. I see they have gone to pot. Well their is still this group
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rife They are more strictly moderated.

Anyways. I do not have proof I can offer aside from my word. The best can offer is the email of the elderly man who contacted me to let his wife use my machine. The bone cancer case. Otherwise I have already thoroughly elaborated on it.

Other than that, you can quiz miss silver about her case some more. Granted she did not have cancer. Her case may of been a bit less "extraordinary" but still valid.

You also insisted that I prove that it is being suppressed and not just subjected to the trials and tribulations of other medical quackery.

Well right there you finish off your first reply to me with a quackery label. Treatments, devices, modalities all would of been more neutral but you choose to go with the derogatory quackery label. Your opinion begins to shine through from the start. As I said, By Definition Suppression Is Hard To Prove! Do you want links to the doctors jailed for using it? Do you want links to the mayo clinic trials? Do you want link to the VIDS of the Rife frequencies being applied to viruses and bacterias? You tell me, what are you expecting me to provide you with that will prove suppression. I don't think a can get the "super top secret lets stop that man" documents. But hell your close to the Mayo Clinic. Why don't you ask them for more info about the Rife trials.


Here is one short vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S00XN-0kWg&feature=related




Skepticism does not mean that I take time, effort, money, and energy and invest them in every single unsupported claim that crosses my monitor.Skepticism does not mean the other extreme either. That you should disbelieve every single unsupported claim. Skepticism means taking a neutral stance and testing a claim to the best of your abilities available and drawing a conclusion from said tests. You have asked me a few semi biased questions and already come to a conclusion with out testing a claim.



The fact that I am not moved to test this nonsense is because you've yet to provide even one single iota of factual evidence to justify spending such time.Ok fair enough. Your not moved to test a claim because I can not justify to you investing the time. Thats fine. But that is not skepticism. It is cynicism and bias. My word lacking weight, Miss Silvers words equally with out value, and all the information you can find online is not enough to convince you that their may be something to this. You have already made up your mind. Cold rational skepticism is no longer being applied. Your just fronting your conclusion now with out testing claims and ignoring first hand testimony.




A good skeptic doesn't waste time on unsupported, poorly constructed theories offered by those that do not even understand the fundamentals of the phenomenon being discussed.
A good skeptic eh? The whole of the burden of proof is on me to provide and you to refute? My word on this is nothing but "poorly constructed and unsupported" Miss Silvers word...no good. My understanding of the contraindications of micro current frequency does not merit "understanding the fundamentals".

Its all just bunk to be refuted and ignored because I lack the money and degrees to see what happens when I put a cell phone to a mouse with Alzheimer ?

No proof. Nothing supports the idea of frequency based medicine. Just quackery from someone with no understanding of the medical arts.

Great skepticism.

[anarch]

Other personal experiences.

I once treated a chic for psoriasis. She did not maintain the treatments. She quit after two sessions. End of her story , she still has psoriasis. Anyways, what is interesting about this particular case is that she was wearing a silver necklace during the first session. Her psoriasis was mostly on her neck and scalp. I did not expect to see much in the way of improvement from one session. I was shocked as shit to see a clear peachy clean line of skin cutting through her psoriasis patch right where that silver necklace of hers had been resting. This convinced me that the frequencies of the machine had a definite interaction with the silver. Since then I have always offered colloidal silver to those who use my rife machine.

Another time I had this fibromyalgia case. Now this one was tricky for me because fibromyalgia is "one of those kinds of diseases" and by that I mean it's cause is not well understood if it is physiological or psychological. To say nothing of the age. It was mommy that wanted her kid treated and the 16 year old agreed. But I could not help but to wonder if she was faking or not. Not that I even hinted at that aspect of my thoughts. My manners are not that bad. I treated the case for one session. Never saw them again. I have to wonder, did I show bad manners? Or was the whole experience too strange for them? Maybe she was playing up her symptoms? Who knows. I don't.



I have also had fun just messing around with it. At higher intensities your muscles will twitch and/or constrict involuntarily. Once I got used to it I had fun trying to do push ups while using the machine or challenging my friends to similar contests.

Never been hassled about my machine...But I am always upfront about it and y credentials or lack their of. I am not a doctor. So my license can not be taken away. I never tell people to stop conventional therapies not under any circumstance so I wont be jailed.

Still the hardest thing in the world is just getting a person to try from beginning to end. So many folks find it so unbelievable that they won't even give it a chance. They say things like "Well if it worked it would be in every doctors office" or "If its true why hasn't the government gotten to you?" , whatever they can to help convince themselves that it is bullshit and therefore not even worth their time. Sadly they miss out on something that could save their life.

[MissA]

So how many people have you put through the Rife with positive results? I know you didn't 'treat' them because that is practicing medicine, but I know you let them sit in the machine.

Did you record results? What do you think was your personal rate of 'success' as defined by the people that used the machine?

[livewireNZ]

My first post on this site
i have had the honor to use a photon Genie device from the Ed skilling institute
(who is rumoured to have worked for Nasa)
this extract has been taken fron their website and their is a lot more info on


1895 ...Nikola Tesla (http://www.edskilling.com/nikola.html)
1922 ...Alexander Gurvich (http://www.edskilling.com/alexander.html)
1925 ...Georges Lakhovsky (http://www.edskilling.com/georges.html)
1935 ...Royal Raymond Rife (http://www.edskilling.com/royal.html)



http://www.edskilling.com/royal.html


ROYAL RAYMOND RIFE

In 1934, the University of Southern California appointed a Special Medical Research Committee to study 16 terminal cancer patients from Pasadena County Hospital that would be treated with mitogenic impulse-wave technology, developed by Royal Raymond Rife. After four months the Medical Research Committee reported that all 16 of the formerly-terminal patients appeared cured.

Rife's high voltage gas tube device was designed, with the aid of his unique microscope, by experimentally witnessing the effects on microbes and bacteria, finding what he believed were the particular frequencies that resonated with their destruction. "In 1938, Rife made his most public announcement. In a two-part article written by Newall Jones of the San Diego Evening Tribune (May 6 & 11), Rife said, 'We do not wish at this time to claim that we have "cured" cancer, or any other disease, for that matter. But we can say that these waves, or this ray, as the frequencies might be called, have been shown to possess the power of devitalizing disease organisms, of "killing" them, when tuned to an exact wave length, or frequency, for each organism. This applies to the organisms both in their free state and, with certain exceptions, when they are in living tissues.'"

"He had the backing in his day - this was in the 1930's - of such eminent people as Kendall, a professor of pathology at Northwestern University and Millbank Johnson, M.D., who was on his board, along with many other medical men, when he began to treat people with this new 'ray emitter.'. There were articles written on the Rife technique. in the Journal for the Medical Society of California and other medical journals. Suddenly, Rife came under the glassy eye of Morris Fishbein of the AMA and things began to happen very quickly. Rife was put on trial for having invented a 'phony' medical cure. The trial lasted a long time." In 1953, Rife published his cancer report in book form, History of the Development of a Successful Treatment for Cancer and Other Virus, Bacteria and Fungi. A turning point occurred in 1958, when the State of California Public Health Department conducted a hearing which ordered the testing of Rife's Frequency Instrument. The Palo Alto Detection Lab, the Kalbfeld Lab, the UCLA Medical Lab, and the San Diego Testing Lab all participated in the evaluation procedure. "All reported that it was safe to use. Nevertheless, the AMA Board, under Dr. Malcolm Merrill, the Director of Public Health, declared it unsafe and banned it from the market."

All these distinguished scientist, back in 1958, had been carrying on significant research in the biological and immunological treatment of cancer for years. It is still only now that the United States orthodoxy is beginning to catch up. Because of the suppressive actions of the American Cancer Society, the American Medical Association, and the Food and Drug Administration, our people have not had the advantage of the European research.

This work has been ignored because certain powerful individuals backed by large monetary grants can become the dictators of research and suppress all work that does not promote their interests or that may present a threat to their prestige.

[Cogburn]

Great skepticism.
You have no idea what true academic skepticism is, only the poor mimicry that exists within the conspiracy theory community. I don't doubt your claims because you never provided any proof to support your claims. Testimonials are not proof.

Don't use words when you don't know what they mean, and certainly don't PM me anymore about your threads when you don't like what I have to say about your information.

It's a waste of both of our time.

[anarch]

I'd like to thank livewireNZ for his input.


So how many people have you put through the Rife with positive results? I know you didn't 'treat' them because that is practicing medicine, but I know you let them sit in the machine.

Did you record results?

What do you think was your personal rate of 'success' as defined by the people that used the machine?

How many folks did I put through with positive results?

Myself included four. This is following through with the regiment. As I said average regime is somewhere around 6 to 8 weeks. Being the owner those closest to me get to use it more often.

Did I record the results?

No. Never saw a need to. I am a results orientated kind of person. If it works thats good enough for me, if it don't work trash it and find what does work.

What do I think was my personal rate of 'success' as defined by the people that used the machine?

100% for those that followed through. Those that use the rife machine once and expect to be cured might as well take one penicillin pill and expect to be cured. It don't work like that. To get results one must follow the regime.

[Cogburn]

If you truly didn't record results, you would say that you didn't know what happened.

However, you maintain that the results were "positive," which would seem to indicate that you do not record results that do not seem to benefit the dogma of the Church of Rife.

You get the Jesus Toast Award for Abuse of Logic.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_512VEbm7xB0/SmNBdkW-DmI/AAAAAAAAfjo/ka_AHaotiIM/s400/6.jpg

[anarch]

You have no idea what true academic skepticism is, only the poor mimicry that exists within the conspiracy theory community. I don't doubt your claims because you never provided any proof to support your claims. Testimonials are not proof.

Don't use words when you don't know what they mean, and certainly don't PM me anymore about your threads when you don't like what I have to say about your information.

It's a waste of both of our time.

Sheesh, talk about a sour pus. I know what true academic skepticism is.

I don't use words when I do not understand their definition.

Testimonials are what they are.

And I pmed you because I thought you might of taken the time to look up a bit of info about it by now.

Did I claim to be a researcher? no. Did I state that I wanted to prove the medical viability of the Rife machine? nooo. Did I just ask if folks wanted to hear about my own personal experiences with it? Yes.

Again what do you expect of me? Faxes? Lab Results? Peer Reviewed papers? I just some dude with some basic medical understanding and a Rife machine. And I'm just talking about it online. You lead this crusade for me to prove something. What do I have to prove? And Why? If you don't like what I have to say , the say bullshit and move along.

Jesus your horse is high.

[anarch]

If you truly didn't record results, you would say that you didn't know what happened.



Um yeah...super logic. I was there. I programed the frequencies. I remember what happened. I did not record the results , I am going off of memory.

...

And you did read where I stated earlier that those that do not follow through do not get cured? That it is not "a use once and your all better" kind of magic pill?

[Cogburn]

Sheesh, talk about a sour pus. I know what true academic skepticism is.

I don't use words when I do not understand their definition.

Testimonials are what they are.

And I pmed you because I thought you might of taken the time to look up a bit of info about it by now.

Did I claim to be a researcher? no. Did I state that I wanted to prove the medical viability of the Rife machine? nooo. Did I just ask if folks wanted to hear about my own personal experiences with it? Yes.

Again what do you expect of me? Faxes? Lab Results? Peer Reviewed papers? I just some dude with some basic medical understanding and a Rife machine. And I'm just talking about it online. You lead this crusade for me to prove something. What do I have to prove? And Why? If you don't like what I have to say , the say bullshit and move along.

Jesus your horse is high.
Puh-leeze.

"Hey guys, I had this really cool UFO/psychic/paranormal/medical experience. Want to hear about it?"

I'm not sure which is worse: the fact that you attempted to employ such sophomoric conversation tactics or that you expected it would garner any response other than what it has.

My horse is high because research analysis is what I do for a living. Asking pertinent questions to validate information puts a roof over my head and food in my mouth. While you may not think highly of my abilities, a Fortune 100 company tolerates my eccentricities because it is worth that much to them.

This flux capacitor or what ever it is is your pet conspiracy. I'm sorry that you don't understand it well enough to describe it, because if you could perhaps this thread could be elevated to a level beyond that of an infomercial.

For what it's worth, I thought that your evidenced determination in shagging out the pop fly of the "ghost road" showed you had more than a passing interest in the truth.

Although I can understand your situation. I mean, if I spent $1,600 on some cure-all and it didn't work my wife would fucking kill me.

[anarch]

Puh-leeze.

"Hey guys, I had this really cool UFO/psychic/paranormal/medical experience. Want to hear about it?"



Sure what do got?






Although I can understand your situation. I mean, if I spent $1,600 on some cure-all and it didn't work my wife would fucking kill me.But it did work and more than once. In a repeatable demonstrable fashion.
No placebo effect. No faith required. Your doubtful and thats fine. Ask the Mayo clinic about the Rife trials.

But your high horse, that has nothing to do with your job. Thats all you. You came out of the gate on the offensive expecting me to prove something to you. I was more or less hoping for your opinion on the matter since I gave you a heads up on it already. I thought you might of already looked into the trials at Mayo or something to that effect all on your own...

Did I mention that I did not invent the thing? Sure I can talk about the MOR and sympathetic resonance and the square wave vrs sine wave. Is that it? Do you want me to describe exactly what frequencies are transmitted and how the different transmission mediums alters the utility of the frequency?

Again I am compelled to ask you Cogburn, what were you expecting of me?

I never claimed to be a research analyst. Just a guy with a neat machine and some basic medical understanding.

[Cogburn]

Your doubtful and thats fine. Ask the Mayo clinic about the Rife trials.

...

But your high horse, that has nothing to do with your job. Thats all you. You came out of the gate on the offensive expecting me to prove something to you. I was more or less hoping for your opinion on the matter since I gave you a heads up on it already. I thought you might of already looked into the trials at Mayo or something to that effect all on your own...
For what it's worth, the Mayo clinic propagates as much bad science as any other organization of it its size and scope. One need not look any further than their non-research into the deleterious effects of second-hand smoke for proof.

You posted junk science claiming it was a cure-all from your own experience, however you never took a single step to validate that what you saw is truly what you believe you saw. You are operating on pure faith and not from rational, logical observation combined with dispassionate analysis. In order to supplement your own lack of validity, you point to the research of others which you do not understand. I think that the Scientologists have something in which you'd be interested.

http://mcsavage.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/e-meter.jpg

Re-labeling my tone from "skeptic" to "doubtful" doesn't make you any more accurate in your appraisal of my responses, and at this point I cannot help but wonder if it is a function of your own ignorance or your incorrect preconceived notions.

[skunk]

Is rife the same machine the scientologists use?

[anarch]

Technical Bullshit. Fuck you Cog for prompting me to look through all this old ass jargon so I can regurgitate for the publics general reading pleasure.

Dr. Royal Rife invented of the most powerful optical microscopes of his day microscopes that are still comparable to this day. His microscope number 5 rests somewhere in some fucking museum god I do not remember off hand and no I am not looking it up, you can. His work with the microscopes was centered on his desire to observe a virus in its living state.

He eventually came across some problems when he reached a magnification level capable of seeing the microscopic beastees. Every time he would check them out they would be dead... He deduced that his light fro the microscope might be the cause. He made some adjustments then he got his prize. The ability to observe a microscopic organism in its living state. He also got the bonus prize. A way to kill the shit in the dish.

It was Rifes concept that all cells have a Mortal Oscillation Rate (MOR) and that the right frequency would cause sympathetic resonance and explode the little fuckers. He would go on to spend the rest of his life fine tuning his work, exploring the MORs and generally getting a beat down from the medical community after it turned its back on him.

His first machine was a big unevac looking mother fucker with one big ass light bulb in the middle filled with a variety of noble gasses,

Here is a big ass external quote for your jollies.


Rife utilized a radio frequency generator that produced between 100 and 150 Watts of power with a carrier frequency between 3.1 Mhz and 35 Mhz. The output from the generator was connected through suitable impedance matching circuitry to a plasma discharge tube with one or more noble gases. It is believed that Helium was the primary gas used although many researchers cite Argon or an Argon mix as the choice ingredient. Further, Rife utilized a standard dial-type vacuum tube audio frequency generator as the modulation source for his radio frequency transmitter. The modulation signal was a square wave and it is assumed he chose this waveform because of its high harmonic content and broad spectral contributions.

Rife obtained the original MORs through a painstaking method of tuning the dial of the audio frequency generator while observing the sample pathogen under his microscope. When a frequency was discovered that demonstrated the ability to devitilize a particular microorganism, its dial position was duly noted and marked. The actual frequencies were determined later after the experimental trials. By the mid 1950s the verified original MOR frequency list included 15 different bacteria and viruses. Regardless of what other researchers have said, the authors believe that these 15 frequencies represented the complete list. The following is a listing of these known MORs as compiled by Dr. Robert P. Stafford, M.D. a physician who worked with an original Rife Machinefrom 1957 to 1963:




(a REAL research paper on the subject)

http://users.navi.net/~rsc/



Hooray that.


After Rife got his labs raided and a general fuck you from the establishment he continued his work refining the machine into smaller cheaper better versions.


Eventually John Crane and John Marsh would talk rife into switching the transmission medium from a plasma ray tube to an audio carrier. Generally this type of devise is referred to as a bare-crane unit...but I say fuck it RIFE WAS THERE, he helped build the fuckers I say credit goes to Rife not bare nor crane nor marsh.

The frequency generated from the Audio unit is delivered via pads or steel cylinders.
The hertz should be between 20 and 20,000 under three decebals. It is supposed to be a square wave. Not trapezoidal, not curved but freaking square.

Ummm FUck it I'm gonna go post some vids now.

TO save on load time I am just gonna post the links and you can open a new tab or whatever or not for those of you on dial up.

Here we see some paramecium dying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-dVXIcVng

Here is some other micro bug getting it at 1150 hertz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSYcN5A1qJE

Here is a vid of some dude who used RIFE to cure his lyme disease. I have not watched this particular vid but I have seen this dude on the tubes before. THe last few minutes are of interest... Shows Rife extracting a sample from a tumor in a rat. Filtering said sample. Injecting it into a new rat to grow and it should end with the first rat getting rifed and having tumor removed. I may have the order of events mixed up. Anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vf0JdnSvTk

The guy at the first link knows his shit better than I as does the dudes at Rife.org

For fucks sake you don't need to be an Rocket Scientist to understand internal combustion but you damn sure need to be a rocket scientist to explain proper fuel air mixture ratios, gravitational trajectories and other such bullshit.

I never claimed to be a mechanical engineer , nor a doctor, nor a research analyst.

Just some fuck with thing that saw another fuck who worked in the field of things. I kinda thought when I popped this rife shit on you last week that you might of fancied a look by now. Since you haven't here is a belligerent piss poor over view.

Now go fuck yourself.

[Trauma Teased]

Re-labeling my tone from "skeptic" to "doubtful" doesn't make you any more accurate in your appraisal of my responses, and at this point I cannot help but wonder if it is a function of your own ignorance or your incorrect preconceived notions.

Well, anarch did state in a post somewhere today or yesterday that he had signed up again at SHTF... Perhaps he isn't really that into truth and facts is he really wants to go back to that loonie bin? I guess ignorance can be a bliss to some people.

[anarch]

Well, anarch did state in a post somewhere today or yesterday that he had signed up again at SHTF... Perhaps he isn't really that into truth and facts is he really wants to go back to that loonie bin? I guess ignorance can be a bliss to some people.

And you go fuck yourself with his left over unwanted waste products.

[hp]

The one thing that makes me question the reality of this is that if it truly works there should be clinics making huge amounts of money using it to cure various problems.

The quest for money never sleeps.

[Trauma Teased]

And you go fuck yourself with his left over unwanted waste products.

Some potty mouth language is all you've got to state your case? That is the argument you put on the table?

Yeah, you'll fit right in at SHTF. Just remember to be passive aggressive and a little more subtle in your insults so you won't get banned again, haha.

[Lexion]

Albert Abrams invented it.

Rife ripped it.

Double scam.

[anarch]

The one thing that makes me question the reality of this is that if it truly works there should be clinics making huge amounts of money using it to cure various problems.

The quest for money never sleeps.

Those clinics get raided and shut down. Any doctors that participate get sentenced to years in prison. It is a taboo medical subject. Few doctors are even willing to suggest its feasibility for further study.

I can get free electricity from the sun. Who owns the patents on the majority of the solar power industry? Shell oil.

When you got a monopoly on something its good business sense to buy out the competition. Short of that , discredit them, prosecute them , if you can kill them. Because your right , The quest for money never sleeps. Corporations are established to make money. Not find cures.

[hp]

Patents have a limited life span. Shouldn't this tech be open to anyone now. The medical profession could get it in use it they see $$$ in the air. Follow me.

[Lexion]

Those clinics get raided and shut down. Any doctors that participate get sentenced to years in prison.

That is used by every scam,
known to Man.

Why isn't it used more often ?

"THE MAN" keeps it down.

The 100 mpg carbeurator ?

"THE MAN" keeps it down.

Cure for cancer ?

"THE MAN" keeps it down.

Im-fucking-possible.

Yet, every scam/tall-tale out there
uses this lame catch-all.

[anarch]

Again this is not a violet ray tube scam or some magic black light or some kind of whacked out coffee enema.

Reall science. Real results. Repeatable and demonstrable. Faith not needed/

[Lexion]

Faith not needed/

That is a joke.

[Trauma Teased]

When you got a monopoly on something its good business sense to buy out the competition. Short of that , discredit them, prosecute them , if you can kill them. Because your right , The quest for money never sleeps. Corporations are established to make money. Not find cures.


Haha, you're right about the money thing. If this miracle machine really worked at all, some big corporate firm would have bought the rights to it years ago. They would have made billions and billions of dollars on it. Ever wonder why this hasn't happened yet..?

But hey, you WANT to believe, right? Then fuck logic and facts.

[hp]

Lex, I saw a mythbusters on one of those mpg increasing carbs. They set it up and it got worst milage then the car with the original carb.

[anarch]

Patents have a limited life span. Shouldn't this tech be open to anyone now. The medical profession could get it in use it they see $$$ in the air. Follow me.

Doctors and paramedics litter my family tree. Given the choice opportunity between a quick cheap treatment and a long expensive treatment most doctors would go with the latter and enjoy their new pool.

Their are valid reasons why I am not on the grand crusade to get this thing FDA approved.

That wall is infinitely taller than anything that can be thrown at me here.

[Cogburn]

From anarch's link:
Rife isolated a virus-sized pathogen from a neoplasm, successfully cultured it and proved it caused cancer in experimental animals. Using his ray, Rife is reputed to have had 100% success curing cancer at a clinic set up in 1934 in Southern California, yet relatively few know of his work.
So this did not cure cancer, it destroyed a pathogen that encouraged cancerous cell growth: destroy the pathogen, stop the cancer. That, of course, still leaves you with a tumor.

That should in no way be interpreted to mean that all cancers are caused by such pathogens, nor could all cancers be cured in the same manner.

End of discussion.

[anarch]

From anarch's link:
Rife isolated a virus-sized pathogen from a neoplasm, successfully cultured it and proved it caused cancer in experimental animals. Using his ray, Rife is reputed to have had 100% success curing cancer at a clinic set up in 1934 in Southern California, yet relatively few know of his work.
So this did not cure cancer, it destroyed a pathogen that encouraged cancerous cell growth: destroy the pathogen, stop the cancer.

That should in no way be interpreted to mean that all cancers are caused by such pathogens, nor could all cancers be cured in the same manner.

End of discussion.

Wait what?

This is semantics now. Fuck its not like the thing cuts your telemarse in half or something. YEs it kills the pathogen, pathogen dies cancer stops.

How does that not mean cancer cured?

[Lexion]

One of Abrams's many imitators was Royal Raymond Rife (1888-1971), an American who claimed that cancer was caused by bacteria. During the 1920s, he claimed to have developed a powerful microscope that could detect living microbes by the color of auras emitted by their vibratory rates. His Rife Frequency Generator allegedly generates radio waves with precisely the same frequency, causing the offending bacteria to shatter in the same manner as a crystal glass breaks in response to the voice of an opera singer. The American Cancer Society has pointed out that although sound waves can produce vibrations that break glass, radio waves at the power level emitted a Rife generator do not have sufficient energy to destroy bacteria [5].

The bottom line is that radionics devices have no value for diagnosing or treating anything.

Source (http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Rife.jpg

American Cancer Society (http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/115)

(sound familiar ?)

[anarch]

I was not recruited to sell this device. It was not part of a pyrmid scheme. In fact you can down load it for free online.

SOme want to prove this shit others just care about sharing it.

[Cogburn]

Cure - bring around: provide a cure for, make healthy again; "The treatment cured the boy's acne"; "The quack pretended to heal patients but never managed to"

Cancer is not something that is "cured." You live with cancerous tumors every day of your life. Usually your body destroys them, however when your body is no longer able to destroy the cancerous cells, for whatever reason, you get "cancer."

You keep claiming a basic medical knowledge and yet you keep using basic medical terminology incorrectly.

Furthermore, if you can download it online, why did you pay $1,600 for it and from whom?

[anarch]

Cure - bring around: provide a cure for, make healthy again; "The treatment cured the boy's acne"; "The quack pretended to heal patients but never managed to"

Cancer is not something that is "cured." You live with cancerous tumors every day of your life. Usually your body destroys them, however when your body is no longer able to destroy the cancerous cells, for whatever reason, you get "cancer."

You keep claiming a basic medical knowledge and yet you keep using basic medical terminology incorrectly.

Furthermore, if you can download it online, why did you pay $1,600 for it and from whom?

Jesus fucking semantic christ.

Thank you captain correct. Good detractors are a rare gift. Maybe I should say "cures the cause of cancer" rather than "Cures cancer"

I bought mine for 1600 because I did not know about the downloadable program at the time. Now I do so I tell others that so that they can save a buck and still enjoy the benifits.

[Lexion]

Jack Gardetto was the friend that I mentioned in "Rife critique," 2005, on Lymenut and reposted here just in case Jenifer gets in one of her slash and burn moods.

As his health declined more and more and the relapses became more frequent he bought ever more supplements and nutraceuticals that he found advertised in magazines at the "health store."

He got most of them by mail order from the Herbal Healer and Hulda Clark. Then he got a Rife machine because he had heard that it worked best with alternatives. He was a true-believer in anything alternative.

Jack was not internet enabled but somehow he heard about Herxes and convinced himself that his relapses were really herxes and that they were proof that his choice of treatments was working. He continued to believe that even as the herxes got worse and worse and he could no longer work at his trade. He was a true-believer.

Then he got a new Rife machine, the "new and more powerful" Doug coil device that he had read about in a book. He was sure that it was working because the Herxes were getting "stronger." They got so strong that sometimes he couldn't get out of bed for days.

By December he could hardly maintain a conversation on the phone but he still insisted that he was getting better because he was "Herxing!" His local friends and I concluded that his brain was gone and that it would probably be best to just let him go.

He died on January 16, officially of "idiopathic coronary arrest" according to the ER duc who was on duty at the local hospital. Since his death was 'attended' no autopsy was performed.

Interesting Read (http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=293)

[anarch]

Blah blah blah. Yeah yeah yeah heard it all before. Never suffered a herx effect myself.

Never told anyone to discontinue conventional therapy.

And if its associated with clark its better to avoid it.

My machine works. I watched it work. More than once. Faith is not a component .

Also fake machines do exist. LOTS of them. Kinda helps sully the idea of rife. But you can normally spot a faker because they will be the ones saying conventional medicine is bad and to be avoided.

THAT IS VOODOO!

[MissA]

Okay, as someone who has worked in public health, had contract work with the NIH, HHS, FDA, etc you do get to watch how decisions are made, and I have observed firsthand how "research" is politicized. Many people that work for these institutes and agencies will tell you that they always have to err on the side of caution because they are 'gold standard' institutes.

Research is always biased. A researcher has his protocol, his funding agencies or funders, and the IRB and other oversight mechanisms don't look for "goodness" they look for: 1) are human subjects in the research program protected under the Belmont Principles? Yes? checks box No? hands protocol back with suggestions, then 2) will the statistics accurately measure the outcome for the phase of research? Yes? checks box No? makes suggestions--research may still progress depending upon suggestions 3) is the research adequately funded? Yes? checks box No? "You're shit out of luck. Thanks for trying."

A lot of bad research is allowed to move forward. Many times the research being funded or peer reviewed has not even adequately been screen for COI. A lot of good research is scrubbed for lack of funding.

Many times there is not an adequate volunteer population to even perform the research and it gets shelved while further "evidence" is collected.

There is also this little thing called "evidence based medicine" which straddles research and doctors will "try" something ( an IDE, IDD, or a drug out of its intended use) and depending upon the documentation that may or may not be research.

I personally find evidence based medicine the most pure form of "research" (though you can't call it that) because it doesn't have "interests" involved as it is not large scale enough to create a hullabaloo.

People who believe that research is not squelched need to have their head examined because it would be the only area in human endeavor where competition plays fair. Sorry. Humans aren't that altruistic. They're not. People get involved in research for multiple reasons: to help people, their ego, money, etc. It's not all to promote human health every day across the globe.

Scientists are like everyone else. Look at the attention hog Hawass, famous on the Discovery Channel for filtering Egyptian history. Everyone has an agenda, even if it is subconscious.

Do I believe the Rife machine works genuinely, do I believe it is placebo...I don't know. I personally have not reviewed any studies regarding it. When I take the same time to review a study as an IRB or peer review board then I will weigh in, until then it is a curiosity for me...as it should be for the rest of you.

Anarch is not attempting to practice medicine. He is allowing people access to his machine. Some people prescribe laughter and it works. Some people will tell you that cell phone prevent Alzheimer's. Everyone will tell you something and it will be true for awhile...be it that wheat should be the cornerstone of the diet, or that corn syrup is harmless, or that plastics are safe...science evolves constantly so I don't see how anyone can pronounce with any degree of certainty anything.

Just sayin'

[Trauma Teased]

Anarch is not attempting to practice medicine. He is allowing people access to his machine. Some people prescribe laughter and it works. Some people will tell you that cell phone prevent Alzheimer's. Everyone will tell you something and it will be true for awhile...be it that wheat should be the cornerstone of the diet, or that corn syrup is harmless, or that plastics are safe...science evolves constantly so I don't see how anyone can pronounce with any degree of certainty anything.

Just sayin'

Anarch here claims he has cured cancer patients with his machine. Haven't seen much proof of it yet, though. Anyway, how the hell could his activities with his weird machine be anything else than practicing medicine? Or is he travelling around with this machine just to tickle people or do some sightseeing?

And yeah, some people would tell you this, some people would tell you that. Some people post dumb fuck reptilian threads on SHTF too and post pics of cars destroyed by bears. Doesn't make the reptilian theory true though, does it?

Just sayin'.

[MissA]

Anarch here claims he has cured cancer patients with his machine. Haven't seen much proof of it yet, though. Anyway, how the hell could his activities with his weird machine be anything else than practicing medicine? Or is he travelling around with this machine just to tickle people or do some sightseeing?

And yeah, some people would tell you this, some people would tell you that. Some people post dumb fuck reptilian threads on SHTF too and post pics of cars destroyed by bears. Doesn't make the reptilian theory true though, does it?

Just sayin'.

First, did you miss that we were having FUN with that thread? Do you think I believe a giant lizardman could go hidden in the SOUTH without someone shooting his ass? IF there was a Lizardman his head would be on someone's wall and the neighbors would be eating deep fried lizardman with hot sauce.

Anarch isn't practicing medicine anymore than a massage therapist practices medicine. If people believe that tingling their chakra's heals them, then sometimes it does. Did the crystal healer practice medicine? No.

[MrPenny]

I bet you mine is more effective than yours.

Actually, I'd be willing to bet on the witch doctor. I'm absolutely positive I can find as much "evidence" of a witch doctor healing serious illness......as the "Rife Machine".....(what is this "rife" shit.....some inside joke by a Japanese inventor?)

[MissA]

Actually, I'd be willing to bet on the witch doctor. I'm absolutely positive I can find as much "evidence" of a witch doctor healing serious illness......as the "Rife Machine".....(what is this "rife" shit.....some inside joke by a Japanese inventor?)

Every oncologist has a few miracle stories up their sleeves. Mind over matter is not to be dismissed out of hand.

[anarch]

Anarch here claims he has cured cancer patients with his machine. Haven't seen much proof of it yet, though. Anyway, how the hell could his activities with his weird machine be anything else than practicing medicine? Or is he travelling around with this machine just to tickle people or do some sightseeing?

And yeah, some people would tell you this, some people would tell you that. Some people post dumb fuck reptilian threads on SHTF too and post pics of cars destroyed by bears. Doesn't make the reptilian theory true though, does it?

Just sayin'.

Ahhh proof again. You know it does more than just treating the causes of cancer. You want proof. Find a sick person download the program hook up the wires and try it out. I am not gonna do a case study to satisfy folks here.

Am I practicing medicine? Not with out a license , I'm not. I can even have Cog vouch for me and my limited understanding of medical terminology and flawed understanding of medicine and that I am in not in any way qualified to practice medicine. Nor do I attempt too. Thats not a claim I made.

Just a guy letting other folks use my things. IF they get better then thats awesome. If I have to point to a cause to save my freedom I will praise the miracles of jesus just as soon as I'd praise my rife machine.

Ask miss silver about it. It worked for her and she did not have cancer.

[Trauma Teased]

First, did you miss that we were having FUN with that thread? Do you think I believe a giant lizardman could go hidden in the SOUTH without someone shooting his ass? IF there was a Lizardman his head would be on someone's wall and the neighbors would be eating deep fried lizardman with hot sauce.

Anarch isn't practicing medicine anymore than a massage therapist practices medicine. If people believe that tingling their chakra's heals them, then sometimes it does. Did the crystal healer practice medicine? No.

Yeah, I kinda missed that you all were just having fun with that thread. (Who are "we", by the way? Wasn't it YOU who posted that thread? Then take responsibility for it, damn it. YOU posted it, not you and ten others. YOU ALONE posted that dumb fuck stoopid reptilian thread.)

And fun..? Wasn't I being a "jerk" in that thread? Seemed to me you were pretty pissed off by someone not posting the usual "OMG! YOU ARE SOOOOOO RIGHT!!! WHAT AN AMAZING THREAD AND I JUST LOVE YOU SOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!" answer that seems to be the norm over at SHTF no matter what kind of lame BS is posted. I became the evil wizard of OzWeatherman right away, didn't I? Fun, yeah right... It was so bloody funny you even contacted the evil Oz himself at ATS, didn't you?
:rolleyes:

And yes, anarch here IS praciticing medicine as long as he is travelling around with his quack machinge claiming to be able to cure cancer patients. See, curing cancer patients is what people practicing medicine does, among other things.

[Cogburn]

Research is always biased.

Only if your researcher sucks.

Protocols are devised ad-hoc to fit the specific science in question. If your researcher is under-educated in the subject matter, the protocols are likely to be in error.

That's why there's such a thing as double-blind clinical trials: so that neither the researcher nor the interested party may influence the outcome.

At least MrPenny's witch doctor might have 8,000 years of anecdotal evidence to support his method.

Perhaps in 8,000 years we will have this discussion again.

[anarch]

. See, curing cancer patients is what people practicing medicine does, among other things.

Apparently your not smart enough to read cogs words so I'll repeat them for your dumb ass. Everyone has cancer. Your body normally takes care of your tumors. When your body can no longer do that then you get "cancer".

My machine can kill the pathogens that cause cancer.

[Cogburn]

My machine potentially can destroy the pathogens that cause specific kinds of tumors.

Fixed.

You cannot cure cancer because it is a normal biological function of the body, period.

[Trauma Teased]

Apparently your not smart enough to read cogs words so I'll repeat them for your dumb ass. Everyone has cancer. Your body normally takes care of your tumors. When your body can no longer do that then you get "cancer".

My machine can kill the pathogens that cause cancer.

And what the hell has that got to do with the thing you quoted from my post? Do try to explain in a way that makes some sort of sense. Thanks.

[anarch]

Only if your researcher sucks.

Protocols are devised ad-hoc to fit the specific science in question. If your researcher is under-educated in the subject matter, the protocols are likely to be in error.


Bullshit

YAZ
Levaquin
Phen Phen
VIOXX
Pig flu vaccine
gardisill

These all went through "rigorous" clinical trials and look how well that turned out.

At least none of it was used to treat a phrenological condition. ;)

[Cogburn]

Bullshit

YAZ
Levaquin
Phen Phen
VIOXX

These all went through "rigorous" clinical trials and look how well that turned out.

At none of it was used to treat a phrenological condition. ;)
... and if you review the clinical trials, you will see that they were insufficient, hence the tragedies and recalls that occurred.

Your ignorance is truly astounding.

[MissA]

Yeah, I kinda missed that you all were just having fun with that thread. (Who are "we", by the way? Wasn't it YOU who posted that thread? Then take responsibility for it, damn it. YOU posted it, not you and ten others. YOU ALONE posted that dumb fuck stoopid reptilian thread.)

And fun..? Wasn't I being a "jerk" in that thread? Seemed to me you were pretty pissed off by someone not posting the usual "OMG! YOU ARE SOOOOOO RIGHT!!! WHAT AN AMAZING THREAD AND I JUST LOVE YOU SOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!" answer that seems to be the norm over at SHTF no matter what kind of lame BS is posted. I became the evil wizard of OzWeatherman right away, didn't I? Fun, yeah right... It was so bloody funny you even contacted the evil Oz himself at ATS, didn't you?
:rolleyes:

And yes, anarch here IS praciticing medicine as long as he is travelling around with his quack machinge claiming to be able to cure cancer patients. See, curing cancer patients is what people practicing medicine does, among other things.

Everyone with the exception of one person on that thread was having fun. Once I realized that someone was serious I took it serious and asked questions. I love the Loch Ness Monster concept, too. Do I believe in Nessie?

I can tell you everyone that posted on that thread because all of most of us are RL friends--including the person who said they have a reptilian girlfriend. Did you believe him (he posted the car pic) when he said he had a reptilian girlfriend? Did you believe he was serious?

You came on and didn't even get that we were having fun with the idea of Reptilians and were harshing the buzz. That is why I said "Oz" was being a jerk, and if you remember (when I thought you were Oz) I said can't you leave me to my silly thread and to allow me to have fun.

IF I took it at all seriously I would have handled you differently. I thought you were Oz and handled it as such. Do I think Oz is evil? You just implied that I did. I absolutely do not think he is. Christ don't put words in people's mouths. That is really brutally unfair. Allow people to speak for themselves.

I don't believe in Bigfoot but I would sure as hell having fun posting about him. I don't believe in smurfs but I posted about 50 posts on other forums about the smurf infestation in my house. When people complained about Amkon trolls, I pointed out that a) I liked trolls, b) that some of the most fun I've had is trolling, and c) most of my best friends are trolls.

Sometimes you can post about stupid shit and have fun with it.

Anarch is NOT practicing medicine. He isn't charging money or claiming to cure people. He isn't saying: use this machine and thou wilt be cured. Caveat emptur.

[anarch]

... and if you review the clinical trials, you will see that they were insufficient, hence the tragedies and recalls that occurred.


SO by that would it be reasonable to conclude that sloppy clinical trials happen with retinue occurrence?

[MissA]

Only if your researcher sucks.

Protocols are devised ad-hoc to fit the specific science in question. If your researcher is under-educated in the subject matter, the protocols are likely to be in error.

That's why there's such a thing as double-blind clinical trials: so that neither the researcher nor the interested party may influence the outcome.

At least MrPenny's witch doctor might have 8,000 years of anecdotal evidence to support his method.

Perhaps in 8,000 years we will have this discussion again.

I did not say that protocols were always in error, I said that protocols are written from bias. The PI believes he/she is right prior to the research, hence why they felt strongly enough to put together a protocol.

Research is also largely governed by the funder, hence why double blind is useful depending upon the stage of research. In this I agree.

My original point was not in favor of the Rife because I don't know two shits about it--it was regarding the idea that we must accept the consensus without reading the protocols themselves or the output of research. This is my advice. I am not about to say whether or not something is quackery if I don't know anything about it other than someone on the internet said it was stupid.

I always advise everyone to read protocols themselves and not always accept "consensus" blindly as there are may loopholes in review.

Again, I don't know a damn thing about this subject having never seen a machine, read any real research on it, etc. I am just asking that the thread not be cluttered with cynical assault from EVERYONE when one individual posting evidence against is enough.

I want to be educated (not that it's anyone's duty), not be told that something's stooopid. Tell me exactly why it ought not work and elevate the course of discussion.

[Trauma Teased]

Sometimes you can post about stupid shit and have fun with it.


So basically it's OK to be a fucking liar as long as you're having fun lying? Hey, they should rename that loonie bin "Shit Hit The Fun"!

Just be aware that once you have posted some really dumb shit on the net "just for fun", people will have a bit of trouble taking you seriously... Remember the "fun disclaimer" next time you're gonna post some dumb BS you don't even believe in yourself.

[anarch]

You know it occurs to me... Cogburn... Given the information I have provided and the potential of the impact if I am right an independent study might very well be in order.

I know you could limit the participants by disease specifically singling out one disease at a time and what works and what does not. Getting together a bunch of old PCs and some wires and making a few clone programs...you could do that.

If you wanted too.

If you wanted to you could conduct a very rigorous analytical study for very little money. I bet you could even employ an intern or two to help.

If you wanted too.

Given the overwhelming amount of anecdotal accounts online, one would think that it would be given some kind of merit to at least be worthy of further consideration for at least a small scale study...10 participants or less.

Given your profession you should of already heard about this Rife machine long before I ever mentioned it to you. But hey maybe I was the first to tell you about it.. all things are possible.

So my question now would be... why not?

[hp]

What is "the unauthorized practice of medicine"?

Each state has laws that forbid anyone but licensed doctors from practicing medicine. The practice of medicine by unlicensed doctors is known as the unauthorized practice of medicine. How these laws define "medicine" varies from state to state, with most states using a broad definition. For example, the Pennsylvania Medical Practice Act defines medicine as "the art and science of which the objectives are the cure of diseases and the preservation of the health of man, including the practice of the healing art with or without drugs, except healing by spiritual means or prayer."
Usually, home remedies, the self-injection of insulin, tattooing, the sale of books that discuss healing, or the sale of vitamins or nutritional substances are not considered to be unauthorized practices of medicine, as long as those activities do not involve making a diagnosis of a patient.
However, prescribing vitamins to cure an illness is practicing medicine and someone would need a license to do that. The same is true of taking blood or urine samples for analysis in order to diagnose or treat an illness or injury.
The unauthorized practice of medicine occurs when an unlicensed person does something that is part of the legal definition of "medicine." This does not include simply offering general advice (as, for example, in a magazine article for the general public), or offering informal advice about a coworker's cold, but it does involve holding yourself out as a licensed doctor when in fact you do not have a license to practice medicine. For instance, if you diagnose a person as having cancer, but you are not a doctor, you engaged in the unauthorized practice of medicine and you may be prosecuted in a criminal court. If you prescribe a healing salve for a skin condition or give obstetrical examinations, but you are not a licensed health professional, you engaged in the unauthorized practice of medicine and you may be prosecuted in a criminal court.


"If you prescribe a healing salve for a skin condition"


This getting close by claiming the machines use will cure some problem.

[anarch]

[offsite]



This getting close by claiming the machines use will cure some problem.

Fortunately I am not licensed to prescribe anything. I am allowed to claim my tap water gets me high. I can claim what I like. But I am not a doctor. I am not licensed to practice medicine. I am required to ask what pills you take and how much you drink before a massage. ...But I can not prescribe a massage to treat stress.

[Trauma Teased]

I know you could limit the participants by disease specifically singling out one disease at a time and what works and what does not. Getting together a bunch of old PCs and some wires and making a few clone programs...you could do that.

If you wanted too.



Oh, you mean Cog could... Let's see.... Eh, like do all the work and pay for the whole thing? HE could pay up, of course, and not YOU, who claims to be the one able to cure cancer patients with your weird machine?

Haha, you're a true con artist. aren't you?

[anarch]

Oh, you mean Cog could... Let's see.... Eh, like do all the work and pay for the whole thing? HE could pay up, of course, and not YOU, who claims to be the one able to cure cancer patients with your weird machine?

Haha, you're a true con artist. aren't you?

Your kind of a stupid bitch aren't you.

If you can show the world where I tried to make a dollar off this please feel free to do so.

IN case you need it spelled out for you, cog does not want to. For whatever reason it is his and he does not want to. I only wonder in this moment why not?

No go back to being stupid.

[Cogburn]

SO by that would it be reasonable to conclude that sloppy clinical trials happen with retinue occurrence?

Certainly not. Hundreds of thousands of clinical trials are conducted every year, and only a sparse few are subject to the shoddy research that you indicated.

[anarch]

Of those hundreds of thousands how many make it past trials and onto the US market a year?

Just for my education. Curious.

[Cogburn]

Of the trials that are concluded?

I'd wager less than 1%.

[MissA]

So basically it's OK to be a fucking liar as long as you're having fun lying? Hey, they should rename that loonie bin "Shit Hit The Fun"!

Just be aware that once you have posted some really dumb shit on the net "just for fun", people will have a bit of trouble taking you seriously... Remember the "fun disclaimer" next time you're gonna post some dumb BS you don't even believe in yourself.


Did I say I believed in Reptilians? When I do call me a liar. I am in love with the idea of them doesn't mean I believe in them. I asked IF they were true how the evolution might have happened, and I posted the story of a town that does believe in them. I think the whole idea is cool. Sue me. I'd rather piss around with someone about large bipedal reptile men than hear about Lindsay Lohan.

There is only so much gloom and doom conspiracy you can take without wanting to talk a little cryptozoology to detox.

Also, when someone says they have a reptilian girlfriend or a smurf infestation it is pretty fucking obvious they are lying. I don't think I should have to post a disclaimer that I honestly don't believe in smurfs. That should just be understood.

[anarch]

Thats a lot of money spent on research. Lucrative business medical research.

meh... Like she said.... Good research gets underfunded...gets cut.

Well funded research doesn't matter if its good or bad. It has the money to fudge the results... Aspartame is an interesting example.

On that note I think I shall go grocery shopping.

[Trauma Teased]

Your kind of a stupid bitch aren't you.

If you can show the world where I tried to make a dollar off this please feel free to do so.

IN case you need it spelled out for you, cog does not want to. For whatever reason it is his and he does not want to. I only wonder in this moment why not?

No go back to being stupid.

I am so impressed by your argument skills. You good ol' SHTF people all went to the same insult university, didn't you? "Stupid bitch", that earned you a Master degree, didn't it? Well, you have shredded both me and Cog to pieces with that amazing post. Star and flag!
:D

Oh, by the way, go out on the street and ask people to organise and pay for a study to prove that your miracle machine really works. Get back to me on how many "yes" and how many "no" you got.

[MissA]

It takes 11 years for clinical trials to conclude in the UK where a lot of companies like to perform them due to the patient record being present due to their health care system. For every new drug or device to market a company usually spend about 8 billion dollars to get it there.

I used to think Big Pharm were total fuckers until I took a tour of Orion and see how much they pump into research.

[hp]

What I was pointing out is that telling some one that using the machine will cure some thing would be within the definition. prescribe doesn't mean writing a prescription.

[anarch]

Reading online forums cures insomnia.

[MissA]

I think I missed something. Did Anarch do that? If so...Anarch you should refrain from stating that it will "cure" anything. That is attempting to practice medicine without a license. I would hate to see you in trouble.

[anarch]

I make many claims. A fool can claim what he wants. Who is he to be believed. But if a fool covered in sticker burs claims their is a briar patch over yonder you might want to take heed :D

[Trauma Teased]

[QUOTE=MissA;321569]I think I missed something. Did Anarch do that? If so...Anarch you should refrain from stating that it will "cure" anything. That is attempting to practice medicine without a license. I would hate to see you in trouble.


Yeah, you missed something. Like the OP in this thread. Go back and read it.

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

I make many claims. A fool can claim what he wants. Who is he to be believed. But if a fool covered in sticker burs claims their is a briar patch over yonder you might want to take heed :D

100% pure fucking fetterhoff.

[MissA]

Actually you can boast about having done practically anything and not go jail for it. Stating that you can or will is where you will get into trouble for practicing medicine without a license.

That is what Anarch said in his OP. It was a past tense experience.

[Trauma Teased]

Actually you can boast about having done practically anything and not go jail for it. Stating that you can or will is where you will get into trouble for practicing medicine without a license.

That is what Anarch said in his OP. It was a past tense experience.

Oh right, past tense... And what does the words "so far" mean to you?


So far I have seen my machine cure one bone cancer, one skin cancer and one case of vermox resistant pinworms.
http://amkon.net/showpost.php?p=320950&postcount=3

[MissA]

It means they won't send his ass to jail?

[Trauma Teased]

It means they won't send his ass to jail?

Yeah, perhaps it means that to you, but to normal people, "so far" is basically used describing something you are in the middle of doing.

Like when you're gonna continue doing it, you know? Like in the future, you know?
:rolleyes:

[MissA]

Yeah, perhaps it means that to you, but to normal people, "so far" is basically used describing something you are in the middle of doing.

Like when you're gonna continue doibg it, you know? Like in the future, you know?
:rolleyes:

I don't see him stating that he intends to take money and/or advertise for the treatment of ailments. I may have skipped something. I believe he was stating the luck that he and his wife had with it and is advocating use based on personal experience, not advertising in yellowbook.

"So far" does imply that he intends to keep doing it, but...so? As long as he is not saying he can or will cure someone who comes to him then he is not doing anything illegal.

My yoga instructor believes that vibrating all of your chakras will cure every disease. My girlfriend swears by acupuncture as it was the only thing that worked as far as fertility treatments. A lot of people say a lot of things and it is up to adults to choose what they believe in and what they do with their own body.

When he starts to advertise that he can cure people (as opposed to stating that he did something and it may have worked) then that is a different story.

I'm not going to be the one to tell my friend that acupuncture didn't get her pregnant because I don't know what worked. I'm not going to tell my Yoga teacher to pump the brakes on her eastern shit. I'm not going to tell Anarch anything at all about his machine.

I am just listening.

And...did I claim to be "normal"? I could give two shits about being normal.

[Trauma Teased]

As long as he is not saying he can or will cure someone who comes to him then he is not doing anything illegal.

....

When he starts to advertise that he can cure people (as opposed to stating that he did something and it may have worked) then that is a different story.



Once again: Go back and read the OP.

[hp]

As long as he is not saying he can or will cure someone who comes to him then he is not doing anything illegal.

I have been wondering about this point. But given the use of the word "cure" that he throws around I wonder if it has come up in conversation with his subjects. That would be bad.

If something ever goes wrong with a session I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

[MissA]

Once again: Go back and read the OP.

This one?


I own a Rife machine. I have cured two cancers with it. Doctors are not allowed to use it in practice any doctor that uses it loses everything and normally does jail time even when his patients get cured.

It is a highly suppressed technology. I have mentioned it to a few on this forum and even asked on of our medical experts here to check it out.

Anyone want know more about this from my personal experiences?

Where is he advertising for new patients?

[hp]

Usually, home remedies, the self-injection of insulin, tattooing, the sale of books that discuss healing, or the sale of vitamins or nutritional substances are not considered to be unauthorized practices of medicine, as long as those activities do not involve making a diagnosis of a patient.
However, prescribing vitamins to cure an illness is practicing medicine and someone would need a license to do that.

You have a vitamin C deficiency, take some of these vitamin C tablets. Bingo.

I am not claiming he is one way or another, just that it is a fine line and he should be careful.

[hp]

I own a Rife machine. I have cured two cancers with it

Bingo.

[Trauma Teased]

This one?

Where is he advertising for new patients?

Have I ever said in any of my posts that he is "advertising for new patients?" If i have, please quote it, and also include a link to this particular post. I have only said that his posts indicates that he intends to use the quack machine also in the future.

You really do have a hard time getting this, aren't you? You said that as long as Anarch is not claiming to be able to cure patients, he is not in trouble. In his OP he states that he has cured cancer patients with his Rife machine. Anarch is in trouble then, isn't he?

Excacly what is it that you don't get? Is it OP itself with his claim that he is able to cure cancer with the machine, or is it the "so far" thing that you are totally unable to grasp?

Perhaps you should find yourself a good dictionary. If you don't own one yourself, there are many of them online. I know, because English is not my first language, so I use them a lot. Google is my friend. Google is also your friend.

[Lexion]

I've been shooting my shotgun
out my window.

I haven't killed anyone, so far.

[hp]

I've been shooting my shotgun
out my window.

I haven't killed anyone, so far.

:lol:

I like it.

[Trauma Teased]

I've been shooting my shotgun
out my window.

I haven't killed anyone, so far.

Not that you know of.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26550846-954,00.html

[Lexion]

I shoot horizontally.

[Trauma Teased]

I shoot horizontally.

Towards a wall or tree or something, so you know excactly where the bullit hits?

[Lexion]

Towards a wall or tree or something, so you know excactly where the bullit hits?

Randomly.

With a blind-fold, on.

[mur]

Where is he advertising for new patients?

This thread could be considered an advertisement

[Trauma Teased]

This thread could be considered an advertisement

Haha, and just how many people would trust Anarch to save their life with his quack machine after reading his confused posts in this thread?

Epic fail ad.

[hp]

Call now and we'll double your order, just pay seperate shipping and handling.

[Lexion]

Call now and we'll double your order, just pay seperate shipping and handling.

Plus we'll include :

vm03Dgu_yXA

(listen to the over-dub)

[hp]

I would imagine a person will be able to pick up their own at Walmart soon. They have all the stuff only available in this TV offer.

[hp]

So Lex, ya using a 12ga?

[Lexion]

I don't own any guns.

(good thing, huh ? :) )

[hp]

Not sure about that. You're call.

[MissA]

EDIT: Warning...all situations described in the thread are hypothetical suppositions. I did not even attempt to cure my neighbor of cancer as he has never had cancer. Just eleven loud beagles that are like a cancer.


Have I ever said in any of my posts that he is "advertising for new patients?" If i have, please quote it, and also include a link to this particular post. I have only said that his posts indicates that he intends to use the quack machine also in the future.

No, and neither did I state that I believed in Reptilians but apparently I said something that implied it.

I said that he is not in illegal territory because he is not advertising that he can (meaning future tense) cure all ailments with his Rife machine. I stated that he made a past tense remark about curing. I, not you, stated that when he starts to advertise that he can cure something (as opposed to saying he has) then he is attempting to hoodwink, sell snake oil, or whatever snark you want to use for practicing medicine with an untested device without a license.


You really do have a hard time getting this, aren't you? You said that as long as Anarch is not claiming to be able to cure patients, he is not in trouble. Correct. The government would step in and he would be fined and/or incarcerated if he attempted to do so.


In his OP he states that he has cured cancer patients with his Rife machine. Anarch is in trouble then, isn't he? No. I can say that I cured my neighbor's cancer by giving them B-17. I can't prove that I did that, but I can claim it and the worst that would happen is public derision. If I said I cured my neighbor's cancer and for fifty dollars I will cure yours, too, then I am in dangerous territory.


Excacly what is it that you don't get? Is it OP itself with his claim that he is able to cure cancer with the machine, or is it the "so far" thing that you are totally unable to grasp? Why exactly do you feel that aggression and snark is necessary to making an argument? Or is there something about using logic versus sarcasm to prove a point that you don't understand.

I was speaking of legalities and you chose to make this about quackery. You can claim that you lost fifty pounds on Hydroxycut, but that doesn't mean you lost fifty pounds on Hydroxycut. That is legal. If you say that someone else will lose fifty pounds on Hydroxycut that is illegal and you could face litigation.



Perhaps you should find yourself a good dictionary. If you don't own one yourself, there are many of them online. I know, because English is not my first language, so I use them a lot. Google is my friend. Google is also your friend.Perhaps you should find yourself a good charm instructor or someone who can teach you manners and etiquette because obviously that is something Google isn't helping you out with.

[Lexion]

I can't prove that I did that, but I can claim it and the worst that would happen is public derision.

Welcome to AmKon.

Enjoy your stay.

[MissA]

Perhaps I should have indicated that I was being hypothetical?

I'll go back and edit...

[anarch]

Allow me to be blunt.

IN my experience the rife machine I bought lived up to the fantastic claims. I would let anyone not contraindicated to use it. I believe it would work again as advertised. You should always consult your doctor when doing anything. My bone cancer case informed her doctor. I am not a doctor.

I am up front in every way I can be about this when I allow others to use it.

And if anyone has a problem with that go report me to interpol!

Seriously live up to your moral objections and inform the authorities.

I never told a soul to discontinue conventional therapy. I am not in business marketing this. I am not selling it. I have not profited from it. I allow others to use it.

If you think I harm people by letting them use my machine then get up off your worthless lazy ass and turn me in.

Otherwise bugger off!

[Trauma Teased]

EDIT: Warning...all situations described in the thread are hypothetical suppositions. I did not even attempt to cure my neighbor of cancer as he has never had cancer. Just eleven loud beagles that are like a cancer.



No, and neither did I state that I believed in Reptilians but apparently I said something that implied it.



This is all I am going to quote from your BS post. It's mostly just a confused mess anyway. You obviously are completely unable to keep track of who said what, and you are even more uncapable of owning up to your own statements.

And I know you probably think you are very SHTF cute with that dumb fuck beagles remark, but you only manage to confirm your lacking ability to stick to the topic. Nobody has ever said that YOU attempted to cure cancer. It was Anarch who could cure cancer. You know, the guy who started this thread? Perhaps you've heard about him?

Oh, but wait, I forget... You don't read OPs, do you?

Regarding the reptilian thing, that thread is over at SHTF for all to see. You also stated here at AmKon that you actually sought out Oz about him being a "jerk" in that dumb fuck thread, so yeah... I MAY have seemed like you MAY have taken the reptilian thing SOMEWHAT seriously....

And you teaching me about logic.... Learn to read OPs before you comment in a thread, miss ever so cute beagle. Then MAYBE I'll take anything you have to say the least bit seriously, haha.

[anarch]

Is that all you got trauma? Bullshit references to STFU? Is the subject so completely over your head you have to continually twist it to something your simple mind can relate to i.e. forum bashing board wars?

Fuck your lame. Your fetterhoff lame.

[Trauma Teased]

Is that all you got trauma? Bullshit references to STFU? Is the subject so completely over your head you have to continually twist it to something your simple mind can relate to i.e. forum bashing board wars?

Fuck your lame. Your fetterhoff lame.

Wow, I didn't know Hissil had a Mini Me? Try to actually READ, Mini. Then just MAYBE you will understand what my post was about.

MissA brought up the dumb fuck reptilian thing herself, and yeah, she posted that dumb fuck thread over at loonie bin SHTF. Hardly MY fault that she posted it there, is it?

[MissA]

This is all I am going to quote from your BS post. It's mostly just a confused mess anyway. You obviously are completely unable to keep track of who said what, and you are even more uncapable of owning up to your own statements.

And I know you probably think you are very SHTF cute with that dumb fuck beagles remark, but you only manage to confirm your lacking ability to stick to the topic. Nobody has ever said that YOU attempted to cure cancer. It was Anarch who could cure cancer. You know, the guy who started this thread? Perhaps you've heard about him?

Oh, but wait, I forget... You don't read OPs, do you?

Regarding the reptilian thing, that thread is over at SHTF for all to see. You also stated here at AmKon that you actually sought out Oz about him being a "jerk" in that dumb fuck thread, so yeah... I MAY have seemed like you MAY have taken the reptilian thing SOMEWHAT seriously....

And you teaching me about logic.... Learn to read OPs before you comment in a thread, miss ever so cute beagle. Then MAYBE I'll take anything you have to say the least bit seriously, haha.

Puh-lease. You were totally rude in that thread just like you've been rude in this thread. We were having fun talking about Reptilian stuff then you jumped in and decided to preach sense to the imbeciles by being snarky. Obviously, Tenacious D was kidding because he said he had a Reptilian girlfriend on EVERY POST he made. But nooooo, you had to educate the poor unenlightened because you know better than us. Did you even try to be nice? Your posts are also for the whole world to see.

I wrote Oz because I was told that you were Oz by admins. Big deal. So it wasn't Oz. I'll write him now and apologize. I didn't say I harassed Oz, but, hey. I'll keep it real.

As for me being cutesy maybe I'll take a cue from you and just be downright rude and condescending. Yes, that's much better than being "cutesy". :rolleyes:

And, yes, TT I understand that you were referring to Anarch, but I was making an analogy of how US law works. I used a "pretend" case to make the point. Now, if I wanted to lapse outside the realms of "cutesy" and take your lead I would define "pretend" for you or correct your "uncapable" by stating that it's "incapable"...would that make this little debate more enjoyable?

Must we be cruel to other people to make our point?

Bleeding heart? I don't think so. You're mean, and you can trump it up by convincing yourself that you're trying to help the unenlightened or championing truth or something BS like that, but you're not. You're belittling people and that's just not nice.

I'm done. I refuse to keep this going with you because all that will happen is that we will continue to get uglier and uglier and really no one needs to witness that. Sorry that I abused your sensibilities and wasted anyone's time.

[anarch]

On that note I stand by my word. If anyone thinks I have done wrong, that I am a threat report me. I'm looking at you Troma. Don't just talk about it BE BOUT IT!

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Evendavid.jpg

[anarch]

I'd party with hasselhoff!

[Paroxysm]

Must we be cruel to other people to make our point?

I really wish it didn't have to be like this.

I will stay out of this thread after this, because I do not wish to involve myself in this ugliness.



I'm done. I refuse to keep this going with you because all that will happen is that we will continue to get uglier and uglier and really no one needs to witness that..

Thank you.

[anarch]

FqsDRQJesMI

Watch closely now. I am not in control LOL.

[MissSilver]

Wasn't I being a "jerk" in that thread?


Yes




And yes, anarch here IS praciticing medicine as long as he is travelling around with his quack machinge claiming to be able to cure cancer patients.


Who the fuck are you to troll anyway?


He ain't traveling around TT, don't over dramatize it FFS. He did travel a few times back and forth to see one lady which now walks when she was confined to a wheel chair.

The other one was skin cancer and I know her. She lives in our neck of the woods.

A lot of people swear by the Rife machine, there are several web pages on the subject, go troll them if you are so bored. Some other people swear by Kangen water, some other people swear by reiki, some other swear by binaural beats to heal them, some others swear by dowsing.

One lady did heal me form a thousand miles away, smokey was her user name. One night on that BB, Buddha's Garden, doesn't exist anymore, Chris changed it to make it only about his music, I complained that I had pulled a nerve on my neck. When this happens, I am usually in for a week of stiffness and pain. The next day, I woke up and I was feeling all better, even my chiro couldn't do such wonders and I told them, I do not know what happened but I am all better, this is when smokey came forth and told me what she did, she dowsed me. I was skeptic at first (which I suggest you do TT instead of blowing smoke out of your ass) then researched it. There are several books on it and for some people, it truly works, worked for me and it relieved me from a week of neck pain.

Some people believe in stuff you will never understand TT because they actually bother to research it and give it a try, in some other cases, some people just helping you out in their own way. But in all these cases, those people do not come viciously around attacking like rabid dogs, even Cog's got more class than yours truly when it comes to disproving Anarch. You my dear are just right down vulgar and to fucking dense to remotely grasp that fact.

To just agree with some people that it is , how did you put it, "quackery" without even researching it, without giving it a second thought because it agrees with you as well is just blowing shit out of your ass and nothing more.

Even MissA came around to explain how they play balls at the FDA, how, why and what research are funded and you had to shit on her, try to discredit her post and what she had to say by taking a post from another site "stating" that she was the thread OP and that anyone who remotely talks about reptilians are somewhat mentally unstable. Even tho she started those threads to get the ball rolling to see what other people thought about the subject, you should have stuck around at STFU, to see what MissA is truly all about instead of popping by and troll. I have nothing to reproach MissA, she is a class A lady even tho she can come off strong in trying to protect people she views as her friends.

As for Anarch registering again at STFU as you so trollingly put it, you also forgot to mention to the rest of the class that he also registered again at GLP and ATS and YouTube because he loathes bans. So got your fact straight you asinine troll before you come blowing pestilent air out of that crack you have for an ass.



Oh right, past tense... And what does the words "so far" mean to you?

Quote:
So far I have seen my machine cure one bone cancer, one skin cancer and one case of vermox resistant pinworms.

Pick and choose what you want to understand eh?

Are you even aware that past tense in verbs exist?

You do know what past tense means, right?



I know, because English is not my first language, so I use them a lot.


Try Harder.

[Cogburn]

Bill Deagle called and wants his shtick back.

[Snow Crash]

Randomly.

With a blind-fold, on.

The shotgun version of the I'm Feeling Lucky button on Google lol

[Snow Crash]

FqsDRQJesMI

Watch closely now. I am not in control LOL.

BOONDOCKS FTW!!!

[Oblivion]

Randomly.

With a blind-fold, on.

double blind method?

HAHA ! :D

[Oblivion]

I'd party with hasselhoff!

the dude sure knows how to get pissed then eat a burger off the floor with style, eh? :o

[Oblivion]

I don't own any guns.

(good thing, huh ? :) )

so what are you shooting out the window then?

wait, dont answer that one :(

and how can you fire it through the window when you said you fire it randomly with a blind fold on.

you dont know your firing it through the window, dont make baseless claims without hardcore, undeniable, peer reviewed proof.

i want some proof. wheres my fuckin sketch.

[Trauma Teased]

Yes

Some people believe in stuff you will never understand TT because they actually bother to research it and give it a try, in some other cases, some people just helping you out in their own way. But in all these cases, those people do not come viciously around attacking like rabid dogs, even Cog's got more class than yours truly when it comes to disproving Anarch. You my dear are just right down vulgar and to fucking dense to remotely grasp that fact.

.....

To just agree with some people that it is , how did you put it, "quackery" without even researching it, without giving it a second thought because it agrees with you as well is just blowing shit out of your ass and nothing more.

.....

As for Anarch registering again at STFU as you so trollingly put it, you also forgot to mention to the rest of the class that he also registered again at GLP and ATS and YouTube because he loathes bans. So got your fact straight you asinine troll before you come blowing pestilent air out of that crack you have for an ass.




I haven't learnt yet how to break up a long quote into smaller ones... I hope doing it this way is OK until I get the hang of it.

You should not talk so loud about things you know nothing about. You have absolutely no idea what kind of research I have done regarding the Rife machine. I actually wrote about it in my job around a year ago, when I interviewed the widow of a man who died of cancer after a quack here in my country had convinced him to use it. (And also made him pay a significant amount of money for his "treatment", by the way.) This woman is now out of practice, thankfully, after she was investigated by the Departement of Health. They also used the word "quack" in the report that was handed over to the Departement of Justice, by the way.

I also find it interesting that you are calling me a troll and say I am vulgar. Take a good long look at your own words just in the parts of your post that I quoted above.

Seems to me YOU are the vulgar one without any class.

[anarch]

I haven't learnt yet how to break up a long quote into smaller ones... I hope doing it this way is OK until I get the hang of it.

Thats cause your an idiot.



You have absolutely no idea what kind of research I have done regarding the Rife machine. I actually wrote about it in my job around a year ago, when I interviewed the widow of a man who died of cancer after a quack here in my country had convinced him to use it.

Bullshit. Prove it! Your not smart enough to break up some quote brackets your,conversational skills revolve around stiring shit, and you want us to believe your a writer of some kind that actually went so far as to interview someone that suffered at the hands of a quack. Pics or it didn't happen.



I also find it interesting that you are calling me a troll and say I am vulgar. Take a good long look at your own words just in the parts of your post that I quoted above.
Take a look at your own word dumb ass. The majority of your posts revolve around trying to make this about STFU so that you could insult the folks on the this thread. Only now when its convenient to your argument do you bring up this alleged interview of yours.

Bitch please. Eat yourself another dingdong while you try to think of some more bullshit.

[Trauma Teased]

Thats cause your an idiot.




Bullshit. Prove it! Your not smart enough to break up some quote brackets your,conversational skills revolve around stiring shit, and you want us to believe your a writer of some kind that actually went so far as to interview someone that suffered at the hands of a quack.



Take a look at your own word dumb ass. The majority of your posts revolve around trying to make this about STFU so that you could insult the folks on the this thread. Only now when its convenient to your argument do you bring up this alleged interview of yours.

Bitch please. Eat yourself another dingdong while you try to think of some more bullshit.

Ok, first, the fact that I have not yet learnt how to break up quotes here at AmKon somehow proves that I can not be a writer? Yeah, right. Try taking that argument to court, see how far it gets you.

You want me to also to prove that I interviewed the widow? I will not, not under any circumstanse, post ANYTHING here at AmKon that could identify me. It's NEVER gonna happen that I am going to share my real name and the name of the magazine I work for with you or anyone else here. So if you think I'm lying about my work, fine, I accept that and can live just fine with it.

And me eating dingdons... I have absolutely no idea what a "dingdong" is, haha.

Also, regardig STHF... Once again, it's not my fault that the reptilian thread was posted over there. It could have been posted at OM, GLP, David Icke's forum or ATS for all I care. The point was the thread itself, not the forum.

It could also be very interesting to count just how many posts YOU have made about SHTF here at AmKon, and then compare that number to how many posts I have made about it... Hell, didn't you recently also make a post about how you have signed up again over there, lol? Not hard to see who is obsessing about SHTF, is it?

And yeah, keep on calling me bitch and dumb ass if that makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me much.

[Hazelnut]

... and if you review the clinical trials, you will see that they were insufficient, hence the tragedies and recalls that occurred.

Your ignorance is truly astounding.

"IF" the clinical trials research were done adequately and properly, there would have been NO recalls.

Sheesh.

Each and every person who believes his own knowledge and intelligence to be the final word on any matter is an idiot.

Medicine equals money, not altruism. Ever since folk medicine was overtaken by institutional medicine, every "cure", "practice", "treatment", and "regimine" is dolled out to the public under false/flimsy evidence, charged an astronomical fee and partitioned by ability to PAY.

I guarantee you that if you are in a shitty ass mood for long enough you WILL get physically ill. If you sing and laugh, dance and play, you will stay in a frame of mind that allows your body to do what it does without interference. IF you constantly struggle against the world you're going to suffer.

And if any of you super brainiacs can't handle that, too bad. You don't have to agree with me any more than I have to agree with you. HAHAHAHA.

Cogburn and his oh so superior intelligence, awaiting his Phd in Psychology cracks me up. Put a label on yourself Cog. LOL

There is nothing wrong with an individual finding his way to wisdom in his own unique way. Unless of course, you believe that YOU are the final word in every fucking subject under the sun. LOL Then of course, you must step in and insult, argue with circular logic, refuse to admit you've been wrong and continue along the "superior intellect" path that assuages your own pitiful ego. Stuggle along you wise and elevated one. If you really believe your helping someone by being a grade-A ass, you may want to revisit that.

@Anarch, too bad your thread turned into a shit-fest. It was nice to hear first-hand testimony about a subject that is rarely discussed. And not only that, you handled cogburn with finesse and dignity!

People like him are rarely interested in anything that hasn't been published in a format eligible for some stupid fucking degree, established by other fucks who set the standard. Dorks, the lot of them.

The uber-high, self-serving muckity-mucks enjoy massaging each other's egos as long as they stay within the box.


Don't stray too far from the box, it frightens them and they have only one recourse. To stomp you down before their fragile paradigm of superiority is threatened with a total meltdown of intellectal wisdom which serves nothing but their own highly-prized perceptions.

Bah!

To allow the self to process another point of view is true intelligence. To disallow any other perspective is total insanity.

Objectivity is absent in this thread.

[MissSilver]

I haven't learnt yet how to break up a long quote into smaller ones... I hope doing it this way is OK until I get the hang of it.

I think there has been a great misunderstanding here TT... That I actually remotely care about what you think and your quoting abilities.



You should not talk so loud about things you know nothing about.

I know what it has done for me so far and I have met the skin cancer lady in question, several times. She was diagnosed with skin cancer, she used it several time and it has not come back.



You have absolutely no idea what kind of research I have done regarding the Rife machine. I actually wrote about it in my job around a year ago, when I interviewed the widow of a man who died of cancer after a quack here in my country had convinced him to use it. (And also made him pay a significant amount of money for his "treatment", by the way.) This woman is now out of practice, thankfully, after she was investigated by the Departement of Health. They also used the word "quack" in the report that was handed over to the Departement of Justice, by the way.

Publish it here.


I also find it interesting that you are calling me a troll and say I am vulgar. Take a good long look at your own words just in the parts of your post that I quoted above.

Seems to me YOU are the vulgar one without any class.

Anarch summed up pretty well so no need to elaborate further beside that once again, there has been a huge misunderstanding... that I don't actually care one iota about what you think.

Remember? All new age healing is bullshit... you pretty lost me there when you posted those words, viciously attacked hazel and showed how narrow minded you can be.

[Trauma Teased]

The uber-high, self-serving muckity-mucks enjoy massaging each other's egos as long as they stay within the box.


Don't stray too far from the box, it frightens them and they have only one recourse. To stomp you down before their fragile paradigm of superiority is threatened with a total meltdown of intellectal wisdom which serves nothing but their own highly-prized perceptions.

Bah!

To allow the self to process another point of view is true intelligence. To disallow any other perspective is total insanity.

Objectivity is absent in this thread.

Hazelnut, I quoted this part of your post to show you something. You say that objectivity is absent in this thread.

I am not trying to pick a fight here, but in my opinion part of the problem is that you and others are so quick to make it into some kind of personal war. Just look at how you bash Cogburn and others here. The aggression you show has also been noticable in many other posts you have made here at AmKon.

I am just wondering what you think this kind of personal aggression will achieve in a discussion other than draw the attention away from the topic at hand? I am honestly curious about it.

[Trauma Teased]

I think there has been a great misunderstanding here TT... That I actually remotely care about what you think and your quoting abilities.

I know what it has done for me so far and I have met the skin cancer lady in question, several times. She was diagnosed with skin cancer, she used it several time and it has not come back.


Publish it here.

Anarch summed up pretty well so no need to elaborate further beside that once again, there has been a huge misunderstanding... that I don't actually care one iota about what you think.

Remember? All new age healing is bullshit... you pretty lost me there when you posted those words, viciously attacked hazel and showed how narrow minded you can be.


Wow, I need to get Pack or someone to teach me how to to break up quotes...

Anyway, as I have already said, I will NEVER post anything here at AmKon that could identify my real name and the name of the magazine I work for. Sorry. And as I also said, I can live with it if you think I am lying.

I would also like you to make a quote from the excact post where I said: "All new age healing is bullshit..." Please also include a link to this particular post.

I have never said any such thing. I thought Hazelnut's theory that she could believe her bills into stop coming was new age BS, and I said so. I have however NOT said that "all new age healing is busshit".

The way you are trying to put words in my mouth shows that you are less than honest in a discussion.

[anarch]

.
BLAH BLAH BLAH :pound:



Whatever. You can't quote one iota of your work because you don't want to be identified however You expect us to take you at your word and insult me for expecting the same.

Well fuck you hypocrite


Now we know how you roll.

[Hazelnut]

I am not trying to pick a fight here, but in my opinion part of the problem is that you and others are so quick to make it into some kind of personal war.


It's page four. Not so quick.

I have no idea what a Rife machine can or can't do. I found the subject matter interesting. The direction the discussion took was ridiculous.

Yes, I can be very aggressive. Sometimes I think I should tone it down. Sometimes I think I should ramp it up. I'm flexible.

The only problem I have is with people who attempt to force-feed their particular set of beliefs down the throats of others who have a differing viewpoint.

Discussion should always center around the subject, not each other.

But bashing each other is much more enjoyable, isn't it? Ask Cogburn, he's about to recieve his degree in mind fucking. LOL

Trama Teased, I harbor no ill will toward you. We had a nice go-round. I understand that you have a set of beliefs that allow you to percieve the world around you in such a way that comforts you. Nothing wrong with that at all. You are probably a very nice person in real life and we would get along tremendously. I would crack you up and we'd laugh together about all the dumb shit in the world, including ourselves. ;)

[Trauma Teased]

Whatever. You can't quote one iota of your work because you don't want to be identified however You expect us to take you at your word and insult me for expecting the same.

Well fuck you hypocrite


Now we know how you roll.


For the third time, I do not expect you or anyone else here to take me on my word. I said I accept it if you think I am lying, that is the price I have to pay in order to keep my privacy, which is very important to me.

And nice "quote" you made there, by the way. You do understand that making a quote like that is lying, yes?

The way to do it here at AmKon is to use the "fixt" thing... Makes you seem more intellectual honest and all that.

[anarch]

LOL Ahh Hazelnut... I am not sure I would give myself the same credit you give me in regards to cog. He may have a high opinion of himself but its not entirely undeserved but I'm sure it can get in his own way. Like when an opinion solicited turns into an inquest demanded.

Misunderstandings abound... Including my own for not accounting for his line of work... Not the PHD thing but his research analyst thing... Rife is not unknown in certain circles... Nor are violet ray tubes... It can be the stuff of great jokes and hushed whispers.

As for troma ... she just isn't smart enough to understand the subject matter. so she has to take it to a lower level she can understand.

Anyways It was cool seeing ya chime in... NOw I wonder where limewireNZ went?



Oooo Look at that Troma. I can use the edit button and quote you mid page
The way to do it here at AmKon is to use the "fixt" thing... makes me a dumb bitch doesn't it? Why yes Troma yes it does.

[Hazelnut]

I am probably wrong (often am) but I think Trauma Teased is alright. She has a solid grasp on her perceptions.

Cogburn is another story alltogether. He may be alright too, I just haven't seen the evidence yet. I'll keep an open mind and when I see that he is able to converse without the superiority complex, I'll jump right in and announce my notice of it. LOL

[Trauma Teased]

I understand that you have a set of beliefs that allow you to percieve the world around you in such a way that comforts you. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Hazelnut, thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. But you assume very wrong if you think that my set of beliefs is something I chose because it somehow comforts me.

Seing reality for what it is can be scary and depressing as hell.

[Trauma Teased]

As for troma ... she just isn't smart enough to understand the subject matter. so she has to take it to a lower level she can understand.



Haha, my AmKon name is Trauma Teased, Anarch... And another nice excample of personal aggression.

[Hazelnut]

Hazelnut, thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. But you assume very wrong if you think that my set of beliefs is something I chose because it somehow comforts me.

Seing reality for what it is can be scary and depressing as hell.

You get no argument from me on that one.

I like to think in intangibles, sometimes it makes me look crazy to others. Sometimes it makes others go, hmmmmm? LOL Its all a toss-up and for fun anyway.

A long time ago, I was the victim of a brutal person who held me captive for many long years. I escaped eventually and my life began again. I know how slippery the slope of sanity is.

[anarch]

Haha, my AmKon name is Trauma Teased, Anarch... And another nice excample of personal aggression.

Yeah you have displayed alot of that yourself here for half a dozen pages now haven't you?

[anarch]

On this temporary time out I would like to say this nice debate here could only happen in the land of freespeech. Other sites would of had a fucking cow by now and banned the lot of us and nuked all our posts. I have appreciated all comments even the nasty ones ones. Freespeech aint always pretty nice or well informed but it is free to go where ever.

And fuck you troma.

[MissSilver]

Wow, I need to get Pack or someone to teach me how to to break up quotes...

I thought google was your friend, ask google.


Anyway, as I have already said, I will NEVER post anything here at AmKon that could identify my real name and the name of the magazine I work for. Sorry. And as I also said, I can live with it if you think I am lying.

Nice way of covering your lying ass... Blur the names, use black magic marker, just publish it or more hot air is what it is.



I would also like you to make a quote from the excact post where I said: "All new age healing is bullshit..." Please also include a link to this particular post.

No



I have never said any such thing. I thought Hazelnut's theory that she could believe her bills into stop coming was new age BS, and I said so. I have however NOT said that "all new age healing is busshit".


Semantics? As Far?




The way you are trying to put words in my mouth shows that you are less than honest in a discussion.


It is not my mission to adapt and conform to your multiple pissy moods when your right shoe doesn't fit properly. (http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/)

[MissA]

Also, regardig STHF... Once again, it's not my fault that the reptilian thread was posted over there. It could have been posted at OM, GLP, David Icke's forum or ATS for all I care. The point was the thread itself, not the forum.

You are using a logical fallacy at the moment when you say "not my fault...reptilians....blah blah blah". Why resort to red herrings (see above) when you obviously have a second hand account as to why you don't believe that the Rife machine works.

You brought up the "Reptilian" thread from another site into this thread at post #67. It had nothing to do with the Rife machine.


And yeah, some people would tell you this, some people would tell you that. Some people post dumb fuck reptilian threads on SHTF too and post pics of cars destroyed by bears. Doesn't make the reptilian theory true though, does it?

Just sayin'.

Rather than discuss this alleged interview and article you did on Rife you introduce an ad hominem snark in order to discredit me rather than the argument I made about the research process. Had you anything of value to contribute you would have discussed the process of research and pointed out to me where my argument was wrong. Instead you upped the ante by poking at me with a verbal stick and I (admittedly) fell off my mark and began to snark back.

Fallacies are fallacies but many times they work quite well to derail a discussion.

Regarding your attempts to a) label SHTF'rs and former SHTF's as overly antagonistic, and b) profane I would like to remind people of the old adage of Mr Pot calling Mr Kettle "black"

When have you been anything remotely resembling affable? If not affable, how about some research, facts, or logical arguments? Cogburn at the very least serves his condescension with scientific methodology, research, and facts making it palpable to digest. You deride and snark and bring up vague cases that you worked on without presenting a stitch of evidence yourself yet railing to Anarch for not providing it.

Now, you seek to call Hazel out for her bad attitude?

Your argument as to why you cannot present evidence to make your case is that you don't want people to know your identity. Many times I presented facts on other sites that were my own but presented them in such a way that it could not be traced to myself. You could have done the same by linking to the story itself. You did not have to say that you wrote the article. You could have just presented it.

And, yes, you do have to provide evidence that it didn't work when someone is stating that it worked for them and those they know, else you are falling into the trap and contributing to an argument from ignorance.

I stopped last night because I could see this getting ugly. I jumped on this morning because I felt that I could refrain from partaking in the ugliness again.

I would also like to ask you how you and I could come to an easy peace and quit being nasty to each other? I don't think it's productive. No one benefits and everyone loses.

I would apologize for any past assholery on my part (and I do), would you be willing to do likewise so that we can put aside the snark and ad homs and discuss the issue in a manner that would benefit everyone?

For example...

Why do alternative therapies work for some and not for others? And if it is the power of the brain to fool itself why not then focus our efforts of technology into this particular research subject. If our brain can just tell itself that it isn't sick anymore and it isn't...could we not then invent some technology to persistently convince the brain it is "well"?

So what say you...do you want to continue to be ugly to each other or shall we apologize and try to understand each other better?

[Hazelnut]

http://amkon.net/showpost.php?p=305846&postcount=19



Originally Posted by Hazelnut http://amkon.net/Styles/DARK_VB%20GREEN/dark_vb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://amkon.net/showthread.php?p=305841#post305841)
Yes, I get bills. I believe I will keep on getting bills. I wish (keyword denotes desire) I would'nt get bills. I wish I could believe I wouldn't get bills. When I finally do believe I won't get bills, I won't get bills. But since I can't believe what I wish I will continue to get bills. When I believe in wishes and not even think of reality, I won't get bills.

I'm not that good, but I'm trying.

TT's reply:

Why don't you just believe that you can believe that you won't get bills, then?

Christ, what a load of stoopid dumb fuck New Age crap. But at least you've got the hang of not thinking of reality.

But let's not do this again. :eye:

[guy]

I would also like to ask you how you and I could come to an easy peace and quit being nasty to each other? I don't think it's productive. No one benefits and everyone loses.
.

I would disagree. For sheer entertainment value some would say they do benefit.

[MissA]

.

I would disagree. For sheer entertainment value some would say they do benefit.

There is that...

[anarch]

for IEF

http://91.121.132.199/gifs/16241.gif

[anarch]

For my opinion of it all

http://91.121.132.199/gifs/1725.gif

[Hazelnut]

I can't believe you did that to MORGAN FREEMAN!!!!!

AW.

[Cogburn]

"IF" the clinical trials research were done adequately and properly, there would have been NO recalls.

Sheesh.

Each and every person who believes his own knowledge and intelligence to be the final word on any matter is an idiot.


Another one who only reads what they want.

You weren't actually responding to anyone, you just wanted to throw in your two cents. That's fine, however resentment of the educated arising from the profoundly ignorant is old hat around here.

You cannot begin to comprehend who I am, what I know, what I believe, or what I am capable of, and your continued assumptions in regard to the matter only serve to further highlight both your hypocrisy and your ignorance.

[Hazelnut]

Another one who only reads what they want.

You weren't actually responding to anyone, you just wanted to throw in your two cents. That's fine, however resentment of the educated arising from the profoundly ignorant is old hat around here.

You cannot begin to comprehend who I am, what I know, what I believe, or what I am capable of, and your continued assumptions in regard to the matter only serve to further highlight both your hypocrisy and your ignorance.

Well that's telling me off isn't it? Hahahaha

"I am the sum of all your fears. Ask me a question." http://shtf411.com/i-am-the-sum-of-all-your-fears-ask-me-a-question-t1581.html :D

Shall we now commence to comparing educations? Is your degree bigger and better? Now that would be humiliating if true wouldn't it? Because its our degrees that define us. Its not potential, or ability to think, percieve, draw logical conclusions and confirm beliefs.

I do not attempt to comprehend who you are, I simply attempt to comprehend what you print here. My continued assumptions progress with your every post. My hypocrisy and ignorance are mine to tackle, but you certainly have none of that worrying your fine little brain. NO FUCKING WAY! :king:

[Cogburn]

Did that thread on SHTF strike a nerve? Gee, I wonder why...

The scale, breadth and scope of my knowledge far exceeds any individual piece of paper I could hang on my wall. Feel free to peruse these forums for further evidence.

There's millions of pretenders and wanna-be's on the internet, but, for once, you happen to be talking to the Real Deal.

Your presuppositions and resulting personal struggles not withstanding.

[Trauma Teased]

Well, I'm gonna try to break up your post, MissA, hope it works this way.


You are using a logical fallacy at the moment when you say "not my fault...reptilians....blah blah blah". Why resort to red herrings (see above) when you obviously have a second hand account as to why you don't believe that the Rife machine works.

You brought up the "Reptilian" thread from another site into this thread at post #67. It had nothing to do with the Rife machine.


Anarch seemed to think I was obsessing about SHTF. And again, I don't care at all where you posted the reptilian thread, it just happened to be SHTF, that was why I also mentioned that forum's name.

I don't have a second hand account as to why the Rife machine doesn't work. I have seen medical journals, I have talked to doctors and scientists myself... But yet again, I understand and accept that you think I am lying, and that is your right as long as I do not want to post anything that can reveal who I am. I will never do that.

And yes, I brought up the reptilian thread to show that posting about something or saying something on a blog or forum doesn't make it true. I could have used another excample, of course, like the Blossom Goodchild story. That space ship never did land back in October, did it?



Rather than discuss this alleged interview and article you did on Rife you introduce an ad hominem snark in order to discredit me rather than the argument I made about the research process. Had you anything of value to contribute you would have discussed the process of research and pointed out to me where my argument was wrong. Instead you upped the ante by poking at me with a verbal stick and I (admittedly) fell off my mark and began to snark back.

Fallacies are fallacies but many times they work quite well to derail a discussion.

Trust me, I really, really regret I used your reptilian thread as an excample now that this thread seems to evolve so much around you. I just thought the thread was kinda funny in a pathetic way, I guess that's why I remembered it. I also remembered it because you said OzWeatherman was a "jerk" in that thread, haha, and the "jerk" was me.

Anyway, thank you for admitting that you began to "snark back". I also hope you notice that I have not called YOU as a person dumb or a bitch or troll or asshole or anything like that. I said your reptilian THREAD was stupid, and that is NOT a personal attack. I (and others) have however been called a lot of things in this thread, or didn't you notice? You may perhaps have called me some rather unpleasant things yourself...

Sorry, my time is running out here, I have a meeting to go to and I really suck at this quoting thing, it takes too long... My screen keeps freezing too, have no idea why....

Just want to say that I asked Hazelnut an honest question about her posting style, and she answered it. I'm fine with her answer and I have nothing personal against her, even though I disagree with some of the things she says.

Also, I don't really think I have anyhing to apologize to you for. I never insulted you personally, I spoke my mind about a thread you made. I stand by what I said about it, I still think that thread is really, really stupid, and will not apologize for having that opinion.

[Hazelnut]

Did that thread on SHTF strike a nerve? Gee, I wonder why...
.

That was the most arrogant, pompous, ridiculous thing I've ever read. I am the sum of all your fears - ask me a question. Hahahaha. Sorry, but that is how I first came to know you Cogburn, you're own ignorance defined.

[Cogburn]

I post for my own amusement, not yours.

You just made me chuckle about a thread I haven't thought about in weeks.

You're a peach.

[Hazelnut]

I post for my own amusement, not yours.


Same here Cog.


I used to think this was a good thing because I would be able to step on these kinds of stupid people to excel.

Does that sound familiar to you? I just read this statement in one of your posts. LOL

I can quote the thread if you like. Yard Trails.

http://amkon.net/showpost.php?p=263216&postcount=13

You could probably be an alright kind of guy if you'd stop demanding that everyone bow to your egotistical supremacy. Just a thought.

[century]

Hazelnut, Im French Vanilla, nice to meet you!!

Most people enjoy French Vanilla more than Hazelnut:D

[Hazelnut]

Hazelnut, Im French Vanilla, nice to meet you!!

Most people enjoy French Vanilla more than Hazelnut:D

Hey century, nice to meet you too french vanilla. Hazelnut is an acquired taste and not for everyone. :D

[century]

OHHHHHHHHH SNAP!!!!!!!!!!!

U FUNNY:mrgreen:

[Cogburn]

Does that sound familiar to you? I just read this statement in one of your posts. LOL

I can quote the thread if you like. Yard Trails.

You could probably be an alright kind of guy if you'd stop demanding that everyone bow to your egotistical supremacy. Just a thought.

You serve to illustrate a common fallacy amongst would-be internet gurus and mystics: the fallacy of the assumption, coupled with either a poor ability to express themselves or a self-imposed myopia regarding the nature of the world in which we live.

As a community of human beings, we are all each unique individuals. I can appreciate the value of each unique individual in regards to achieving my personal goals.

You do the same thing everyday.

I choose to call it what it is: using and manipulating people. Just because you don't care to admit to yourself that you are capable of such things does not give you carte blanche to climb on your high horse.

I bet you'll find many, many things that I have posted to be objectionable to the very core of your beliefs, and mostly it will be because I'm right.

[century]

Embrace the COGBURN (darkside)

[Cogburn]

We have cookies.

http://www.whatonearthcatalog.com/graphics/products/regular/AX9602.jpg

[century]

cookies with pentagrams on them, there is a demon for each one you ingest.

[Hazelnut]

You serve to illustrate a common fallacy amongst would-be internet gurus and mystics: the fallacy of the assumption, coupled with either a poor ability to express themselves or a self-imposed myopia regarding the nature of the world in which we live.

As a community of human beings, we are all each unique individuals. I can appreciate the value of each unique individual in regards to achieving my personal goals.

You do the same thing everyday.

I choose to call it what it is: using and manipulating people. Just because you don't care to admit to yourself that you are capable of such things does not give you carte blanche to climb on your high horse.

I bet you'll find many, many things that I have posted to be objectionable to the very core of your beliefs, and mostly it will be because I'm right.

When you finally get your Phd. in psychology can I get an appointment? I'd love to have you counsel me. With all your humanity and compassion brought to bear, you should be able to single-handedly turn out the next generation of useless idiots who ignorantly depend on people like you for help in the time of their most dire need and fragile mental state.

But that's ok, cuz manipulating people is where its at and it benefits you. Who's to judge? I guess its you.

[Cogburn]

When you finally get your Phd. in psychology can I get an appointment? I'd love to have you counsel me. With all your humanity and compassion brought to bear, you should be able to single-handedly turn out the next generation of useless idiots who ignorantly depend on people like you for help in the time of their most dire need and fragile mental state.

But that's ok, cuz manipulating people is where its at and it benefits you. Who's to judge? I guess its you.
I've no plans on opening a practice, sorry.

I'm impressed that you seem to have me obviously so well considered sight unseen.

What exactly is a person "like me," I wonder?

[century]

When you finally get your Phd. in psychology can I get an appointment? I'd love to have you counsel me. With all your humanity and compassion brought to bear, you should be able to single-handedly turn out the next generation of useless idiots who ignorantly depend on people like you for help in the time of their most dire need and fragile mental state.

But that's ok, cuz manipulating people is where its at and it benefits you. Who's to judge? I guess its you.


We wouldn't need near as many psychologist if it weren't for social welfare, I say let the useless eaters fade away and start breeding more independent minded humans for the future.

Not like Hitler did but,.... just let them kill themselves. It wouldn't take long and all you have to do is start drug testing people who get food stamps, unemployment, disability, exe.

[Lexion]

all you have to do is start drug testing people who get food stamps, unemployment, disability, exe.

I've said that for years.

And got my ass jumped
for it.

[Cogburn]

I've said that for years.

And got my ass jumped
for it.

... and rightly so.

[Lexion]

They want go get high ?

Fine by me.

Just not on my tax dollar.

[mur]

... and rightly so.

And I also agree

[Cogburn]

They want go get high ?

Fine by me.

Just not on my tax dollar.

2,000 years ago they would have had temples erected to them and they would have been consulted on all matters of daily life.

I say give them the tax dollars and better drugs.

[Lexion]

This isn't 2000 years ago.

Get rid of taxes, and let
them fend for themselves.

[mur]

They want go get high ?

Fine by me.

Just not on my tax dollar.



Whoops...error on my part.

I misunderstood Cog's post

Agree with Lex

[Hazelnut]

What exactly is a person "like me," I wonder?

This virtual interaction is another type of frontier, so you tell me. I'm not the braggart attempting to dazzle anyone with my superior intellect, I'm simply playing a part in this incessant drama.

If you believe that I cannot pin your personality down realistically, what makes you believe/know/interject that you can coalesce my online posts into a plausible, believable, real life persona that equals "me"? Check yourself.

Do it. Then prove it. Then prove how you proved it. Insert sketches and links.

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat awaiting your final, winning assault...I mean intellectual prowess.

[Cogburn]

This isn't 2000 years ago.

Get rid of taxes, and let
them fend for themselves.

That would be for all the handicapped, correct?

[Lexion]

That would be for all the handicapped, correct?

Negative.

But, you know that's a loaded
scenario.

If they are drawing SSI, before
the age of 62, yes.

Drug test them.

Want bennies ? Don't use drugs.

[Cogburn]

This virtual interaction is another type of frontier, so you tell me. I'm not the braggart attempting to dazzle anyone with my superior intellect, I'm simply playing a part in this incessant drama.

If you believe that I cannot pin your personality down realistically, what makes you believe/know/interject that you can coalesce my online posts into a plausible, believable, real life persona that equals "me"? Check yourself.

Do it. Then prove it. Then prove how you proved it. Insert sketches and links.

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat awaiting your final, winning assault...I mean intellectual prowess.
Am I bragging? Are you dazzled? Are you impressed? You are most certainly compelled to continue posting in response, that is undeniable.

Are my responses my opinions and thoughts or words on an electronic page, cleverly constructed to elicit a reaction from the likes of you?

[century]

... and rightly so.


Im talking about Cocaine-Meth............heavy shit/ but yaa, there are alot of white trash in America that will spend a whole months food stamps(been on welfare for years) at Village Pantry, and just fat as all get out. Then when they get to be 45-55 they have diabetes because they ate junk there whole life and by then they have raised a whole other family of losers that will never amount to shit. They end up raising monsters or bum's.

[Cogburn]

Negative.

But, you know that's a loaded
scenario.

If they are drawing SSI, before
the age of 62, yes.

Drug test them.

Want bennies ? Don't use drugs.

I thought we were getting rid of taxes and allowing folks to fend for themselves.

[Lexion]

I thought we were getting rid of taxes and allowing folks to fend for themselves.

If they can't pass a UA.

Disabled included.

Want my tax dollars ?

Don't use drugs.

[skunk]

What do you classify as a drug? The illegal ones? But not prescription pain medication? How about tylenol?

[Lexion]

What do you classify as a drug? The illegal ones? But not prescription pain medication? How about tylenol?

Splitting hairs.

Scripts are fine.

"medicinal pot" I have to
include. (I see what you
were trying to do)

W/o a script, it's abusing
the system, thus wasting
tax dollars.

[skunk]

Haha I actually wasn't referencing medical cannabis, I was just trying to see where you drew the line.

[Hazelnut]

Splitting hairs.

Scripts are fine.

"medicinal pot" I have to
include. (I see what you
were trying to do)

W/o a script, it's abusing
the system, thus wasting
tax dollars.

And alcohol?

[century]

I say if you cant earn it yourself you aren't entitled to have it unless someone is willing to give it to you

[Lexion]

And alcohol?

Most UA's don't check
for alcohol.

[century]

Alcohol especially

[skunk]

Even though alcohol is the most abused drug in this country?

[Lexion]

I say if you cant earn it yourself you aren't entitled to have it unless someone is willing to give it to you

There's a flaw there, though.

The person would still flunk
a UA.

Would they give up their source,
to be checked if they are on
assistance, thus subjecting them
to a UA, also ?

[Lexion]

Even though alcohol is the most abused drug in this country?

I agree on this.

Yet, it's legal.

Just like cigarettes.

(both of which I use)

[century]

Where the fuck did we go wrong, somehow the politicians legalized alcohol and made pot illegal/ what the fuck were these guys smoking?:D

[Hazelnut]

I say if you cant earn it yourself you aren't entitled to have it unless someone is willing to give it to you

I think this way too. I believe there are more people who are compassionate toward the needy than not. Mandated giving helps nothing.

[skunk]

If they can't pass a UA.

Disabled included.

Want my tax dollars ?

Don't use drugs.

What's going to pay for the drug tests? Your tax dollars?

[Lexion]

What's going to pay for the drug tests? Your tax dollars?

Yep.

[century]

What's going to pay for the drug tests? Your tax dollars?


The test alone would eliminate enough junkie beneficiaries to free up more capital for the ones who really want to strap up their boots and get moving forward.

[Hazelnut]

My brother was married to a woman who was raised on welfare. She could manipulate the system like I couldn't believe. In fact, her mentality was so screwed, she made my brother lose a high paying job because she couldn't stand to "spend good money" on rent and utilities and food.

Sick beyond reason.

[century]

My brother was married to a woman who was raised on welfare. She could manipulate the system like I couldn't believe. In fact, her mentality was so screwed, she made my brother lose a high paying job because she couldn't stand to "spend good money" on rent and utilities and food.

Sick beyond reason.

20 or 30 years of Illuminati mind manipulation at its best, only 50 or so years to destroy
the whole infrastructure of this once representative republic.

[Hazelnut]

I have the quote from Joe in Idiocracy in my signature for a reason. Sadly, it seems a segment of humanity is certainly devolving toward a scenario somewhat similar to it.

[Lexion]

I have a sneaky feeling this
thread is about to be Cogburned (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cogburned).

[century]

Its all business



Brain in the Middle.

That's the way politics in America works,
as you can see below:



http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/bits/images/kennedy-nixon-spellman.jpghttp://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/bits/images/bush-gore-egan.jpg
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/bits/images/obama-pope.jpg
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/bits/images/pope-waving.jpgDont worry America, everything is under control

[century]

Thought this might interest some Amkonites:
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/aaa-km/monroe.gif

[MissA]

2,000 years ago they would have had temples erected to them and they would have been consulted on all matters of daily life.

I say give them the tax dollars and better drugs.

I agree, actually.

I would philosophically support those who wish to drug test those on social programs if they were likewise willing to test for drug and alcohol consumption all those CEO's who receive big buck bailouts and bonuses.

It is a myth that only the poor do drugs. They just do drugs that are less pure and more harmful to the body. If I had a dollar for every "functioning" rich person I've seen do blow in my life I'd retire early.

[guy]

I agree, actually.

I would philosophically support those who wish to drug test those on social programs if they were likewise willing to test for drug and alcohol consumption all those CEO's who receive big buck bailouts and bonuses.

It is a myth that only the poor do drugs. They just do drugs that are less pure and more harmful to the body. If I had a dollar for every "functioning" rich person I've seen do blow in my life I'd retire early.

but the CEOs are not receiving bennies...the company they work for is

[MissA]

but the CEOs are not receiving bennies...the company they work for is

They are the Captain of a sinking ship. They did something wrong. The fact that their company was bailed out is corporate welfare. They did not perform to functional capacity and were rewarded. Those CEOs are still collecting paychecks (most of them) and still collecting benefits while their employees in many cases are being laid off.

[hp]

The stock holders can work to create rules for testing CEOs is they see fit.

[guy]

They are the Captain of a sinking ship. They did something wrong. The fact that their company was bailed out is corporate welfare. They did not perform to functional capacity and were rewarded. Those CEOs are still collecting paychecks (most of them) and still collecting benefits while their employees in many cases are being laid off.

That is a wide sweeping generalization... some of those companies were victims of circumstance or of poor regulatory actions taken by the folks in DC

[century]

That is a wide sweeping generalization... some of those companies were victims of circumstance or of poor regulatory actions taken by the folks in DC

They should try regulating themselves, dont reward failure.

I appreciate when people tell me Im wrong, may not like it though

The folks in DC can fuck off, we dont need them

[guy]

They should trying regulating themselves, dont reward failure.

I appreciate when people tell me Im wrong, may not like it though

The folks in DC can fuck off, we dont need them

the regulations I was speaking of involved fannie mae and freddy mac...it was regulations concerning these groups that helped the economic crisis arise.

[Cogburn]

Splitting hairs.

Scripts are fine.

"medicinal pot" I have to
include. (I see what you
were trying to do)

W/o a script, it's abusing
the system, thus wasting
tax dollars.

I'm not about to divest myself of what I feel are my personal responsibilities in order to placate some bureaucratic know-it-all 2,500 miles away.

Tax dollars are collected for no other reason than to provide for those who have not, regardless of the "why."

It is that very fact that sets this nation apart from all others.

[century]

There is no crisis man its all a ponzy scheme

Order out of chaos u dig?

[guy]

There is no crisis man its all a ponzy scheme

Order out of chaos u dig?

tell that to the millions that have lost their jobs , 401k plans, or other investments.

[Cogburn]

tell that to the millions that have lost their jobs , 401k plans, or other investments.

Personal responsibility for one's well being isn't always easy or pretty.

[MissA]

That is a wide sweeping generalization... some of those companies were victims of circumstance or of poor regulatory actions taken by the folks in DC

They argued for those low interest rates. They ate them up. They lobby for the policies that they claim to loath.

What does this have to do with Rife machines?

[Lexion]

What does this have to do with Rife machines?

Nothing.

This is AmKon.

[guy]

They argued for those low interest rates. They ate them up. They lobby for the policies that they claim to loath.

What does this have to do with Rife machines?

what does talk of drug testing CEOs have to do with rife machines

[MissA]

what does talk of drug testing CEOs have to do with rife machines

What does talk of drug testing social service recipients have to do with Rife machines?

[Lexion]

What does talk of drug testing social service recipients have to do with Rife machines?

Niether one works ?

[century]

tell that to the millions that have lost their jobs , 401k plans, or other investments.


I say role with the punches and quit relying on the system to cater to your needs
then maby you wouldn't need a stupid 401 k

Maby if people knew what love for their family is they wouldn't send their parents off to a retirement home

[Cogburn]

Niether one works ?

+1

[guy]

I say role with the punches and quit relying on the system to cater to your needs
then maby you wouldn't need a stupid 401 k

Maby if people knew what love for their family is they wouldn't send their parents off to a retirement home

My mom knows the second she starts messing her pants and can't remeber who I am she's going in a home. Not out of selfishness, but out of love, because I am not trained or equipped to handle it.