If anyone is interested in the Climategate

[anarch]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Draft_Copenhagen_climate_change_agreement%2C_8_Dec _2009

The draft of the copenhagen agreement from wikileak.

[captainkiwi]

blah blah blah blah blah

[GeneralStriker]

the atmosphere of planet earth is a patina- little more than a coat of paint. fuck it up at your peril. those who care not are the enemies of life.

[lala]

"Circle of commitment" what a laugh . . . if the world could get a circle of commitment now that would be something. . . :D

[GeneralStriker]

commitment begins at home.

[lala]

commitment begins at home.


Do you think ! :p

[GeneralStriker]

yes

[lala]

yes


Kiwi say your full of shit he coming for you ha ha ha . . lol ;)

[GeneralStriker]

oh shit! i'm screwed now!

[Lexion]

Not if it's a cyber attack.

:D

[GeneralStriker]

that alien son of a bitch follows me everywhere.

http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs185.snc1/6168_1066318592924_1674832060_132404_2522340_n.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

For fuck's sake Striker...

Everyone knows Kiwi's can't fly

:lol:

[GeneralStriker]

flightless birds with hairy feathers? i heard that myth too.

[pack3tg0st]

Most people don't realize the true conspiracy here though...

http://media.photobucket.com/image/Kiwi%20bird/MotherAlli/kiwi.jpghttp://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d152/MotherAlli/kiwi.jpg

http://www.tribbleagency.com/newspics/2008/05/sttroubletrib.jpg

[GeneralStriker]

this bastard controls the world

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs185.snc1/6168_1064942038511_1674832060_129190_655259_n.jpg

[skunk]

anarch posted the pdf file from wikileaks in his OP, this is a summary of what the document says.

For those who do not wish to read the PDF version, there is an online version of the 'text leak' here: Draft Copenhagen climate change agreement - the 'Danish text' (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-change)

There is a fullscreen option for those of us with less than perfect eyesight.


Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-summit-disarray-danish-text)


Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement that would hand more power to rich nations, sideline the UN's negotiating role and abandon the Kyoto protocol



The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN's role in all future climate change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/climate-change) negotiations.

The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/carbon-emissions) for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.

The so-called Danish text (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-change), a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment" – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.

The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/kyoto-protocol)'s principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.

The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as "a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks".

A confidential analysis of the text by developing countries also seen by the Guardian shows deep unease over details of the text. In particular, it is understood to:

• Force developing countries to agree to specific emission cuts and measures that were not part of the original UN agreement;

• Divide poor countries further by creating a new category of developing countries called "the most vulnerable";

• Weaken the UN's role in handling climate finance;

• Not allow poor countries to emit more than 1.44 tonnes of carbon per person by 2050, while allowing rich countries to emit 2.67 tonnes.

Developing countries that have seen the text are understood to be furious that it is being promoted by rich countries without their knowledge and without discussion in the negotiations.

"It is being done in secret. Clearly the intention is to get [Barack] Obama and the leaders of other rich countries to muscle it through when they arrive next week. It effectively is the end of the UN process," said one diplomat, who asked to remain nameless.

Antonio Hill, climate policy adviser for Oxfam International, said: "This is only a draft but it highlights the risk that when the big countries come together, the small ones get hurting. On every count the emission cuts need to be scaled up. It allows too many loopholes and does not suggest anything like the 40% cuts that science is saying is needed."

Hill continued: "It proposes a green fund to be run by a board but the big risk is that it will run by the World Bank and the Global Environment Facility (http://www.gefweb.org/) [a partnership of 10 agencies including the World Bank and the UN Environment Programme] and not the UN. That would be a step backwards, and it tries to put constraints on developing countries when none were negotiated in earlier UN climate talks."

The text was intended by Denmark and rich countries to be a working framework, which would be adapted by countries over the next week. It is particularly inflammatory because it sidelines the UN negotiating process and suggests that rich countries are desperate for world leaders to have a text to work from when they arrive next week.

Few numbers or figures are included in the text because these would be filled in later by world leaders. However, it seeks to hold temperature rises to 2C and mentions the sum of $10bn a year to help poor countries adapt to climate change from 2012-15.

[Bitchkoma]

Is it bad that even after reading that text, I'm more annoyed by the fact that they are calling this whole fiasco "climategate" then the fact they that they are screwing over the 3rd world? I guess I'm just used to the fact that the bigger fish will always try to eat the little fish.. c'est la vie.

[Bitchkoma]

do they really have to call all scandals somethinggate? bk was involved in kindergate.

[Bitchkoma]

still am involved.

[Bitchkoma]

i'm hungry.

[cartoon]

Well ya know, BK- the denialists now have their herring, red as it is, to continue the

plunder. They hate Al Gore. Why? Because he advises us to turn out the lights

when we leave the room? Drill, baby, drill says their new heroine- the hockey mum

from East Bumfuck. Third world? Fuck em- they're invasion material. Steal their land,

their hope and above all- that vile crud under their sands and jungles. Eat em,fuck em

and then piss on em- just like dogs do. A little smoke? A little flooding? Hell- there's

plenty of high land to gate off. Fuck the Earth. It's mine to do with as I see fit, they

say. Oh well...

[Bitchkoma]

fuck you be. you had to mention al gore.

[cartoon]

sorry BK. i guess i broke the gratuitous gore rule again. but at least i didn't post no fucking pr0n.

[Bitchkoma]

I'd rather you do. Aren't we discussing some sorta scandal now?

[cartoon]

well- in was sorta focused on kindergate.

[Bitchkoma]

Where I come from, we used to wear uniforms to school. All the way through high school. She didn't go to school here, but she bought the local uniform anyway. Heheh it was fantastic. I'm already thinking of new scenarios to play with the uniforms. But that's not really relevant to the discussion. Or is it? Maybe. My temperature has changed. Something is definitely warming up.

[skunk]

Drill, baby, drill says their new heroine- the hockey mum

from East Bumfuck. Third world? Fuck em- they're invasion material. Steal their land,

their hope and above all- that vile crud under their sands and jungles. Eat em,fuck em

and then piss on em- just like dogs do. A little smoke? A little flooding? Hell- there's

plenty of high land to gate off. Fuck the Earth. It's mine to do with as I see fit, they

say. Oh well...

Dude...You know that's exactly what the copenhagen summit is proposing, to fuck over the 'developing' world, create carbon markets (carbon credit trading), and other bullshit.

Where has anyone here said that stemming pollution is a bad idea?

We need to reduce our consumption, conserve what we have now, and "leave no trace".

Let this debate focus on real stewardship of our planet, and not whether or not the planet is warming or cooling.

After all, we seek the same goal of maintaining our home for our children and their children and so on.

[Cogburn]

Well ya know, BK- the denialists now have their herring, red as it is, to continue the

plunder. They hate Al Gore. Why? Because he advises us to turn out the lights

when we leave the room? Drill, baby, drill says their new heroine- the hockey mum

from East Bumfuck. Third world? Fuck em- they're invasion material. Steal their land,

their hope and above all- that vile crud under their sands and jungles. Eat em,fuck em

and then piss on em- just like dogs do. A little smoke? A little flooding? Hell- there's

plenty of high land to gate off. Fuck the Earth. It's mine to do with as I see fit, they

say. Oh well...

Now I want you to be her running mate.

[skunk]

Is it bad that even after reading that text, I'm more annoyed by the fact that they are calling this whole fiasco "climategate" then the fact they that they are screwing over the 3rd world?

Climategate is a different incident. That was the email leak between climatologists. The copenhagen text leak refers to the climate summit happening in Denmark right now.

[Cogburn]

Oh, and Al Gore is a fucking liar.

[skunk]

Yeah, he is. Or a moron, or both.

Climategate: Gore falsifies the record (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_gore_falsifies_the_record)

The name climate gate is stupid though, why the fuck did they have to call it that?


Al Gore has studied the Climategate emails with his typically rigorous eye (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html) and dismissed them as mere piffle (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/al-gore-cant-tell-time-thinks-most-recent-climategate-email-is-more-than-10-years-old/):
Q: How damaging to your argument was the disclosure of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University?
A: To paraphrase Shakespeare, it’s sound and fury signifying nothing. I haven’t read all the e-mails, but the most recent one is more than 10 years old. These private exchanges between these scientists do not in any way cause any question about the scientific consensus.
And in case you think that was a mere slip of the tongue:

Q: There is a sense in these e-mails, though, that data was hidden and hoarded, which is the opposite of the case you make [in your book] about having an open and fair debate.
A: I think it’s been taken wildly out of context. The discussion you’re referring to was about two papers that two of these scientists felt shouldn’t be accepted as part of the IPCC report. Both of them, in fact, were included, referenced, and discussed. So an e-mail exchange more than 10 years ago including somebody’s opinion that a particular study isn’t any good is one thing, but the fact that the study ended up being included and discussed anyway is a more powerful comment on what the result of the scientific process really is.
In fact, thrice denied:
These people are examining what they can or should do to deal with the P.R. dimensions of this, but where the scientific consensus is concerned, it’s completely unchanged. What we’re seeing is a set of changes worldwide that just make this discussion over 10-year-old e-mails kind of silly.
In fact, as Watts Up With That (http://wattsupwiththat.com/)shows, one Climategate email was from just two months ago. The most recent was sent on November 12 - just a month ago (http://www.free-the-memes.net/writings/warming3/ClimateGate2.html). The emails which have Tom Wigley seeming (to me) to choke on the deceit are all from this year (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_which_one_blew_the_whistle/). Phil Jones’ infamous email urging other Climategate scientists to delete emails (http://co2realist.com/2009/11/28/phil-jones-emails-taken-out-of-context/)is from last year.
How closely did Gore read these emails? Did he actually read any at all? Was he lying or just terribly mistaken? What else has he got wrong?
(Thanks to readers Sinclair and Peter.)
UPDATE
Reader Barry:
Actually the e-mail archives are named by Unix timestamp, ranging from Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:41:07 GMT through to Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:17:44 GMT. This is a strong indicator they are extracted from an enterprise archive, probably by the FOIA Compliance Officer and not hacked from individual’s workstations.
UPDATE 2
Could those carefully vetted journalists who are allowed an audience with the Great Green Guru please - for once - confront him with his exaggerations, distortions, fake evidence and absurd predictions? I’ve done this myself (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/andrew-bolt-al-gores-us-at-hot-lunch/story-e6frfifx-1111114466784) over this issue (http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/07/carbon-dioxide-and-temperatures-ice.html), and can guarantee you will get a far funnier and more interesting reaction than another of his sermons. You may also get something rather closer to the truth.

[boycotteverything]

Only an idiot would assume that all the shit we've been pumping into the atmosphere for the past 3 centuries has had no effect on the climate. The atmosphere is a delicate patina painted on the planet. We have fucked it up regardless of what you and Sarah Palin wish to believe.

[Cogburn]

Only an idiot would assume that anything we could do in 300 years has an impact on an environment that has withstood far more than mankind is even capable of inflicting upon it.

Like most of the environmentalist movement, this thread has confused motives and an exemplified profound lack of understanding.

[boycotteverything]

'progress' courses exponentially. you are a fool to be supporting Sarah Palin.

[anarch]

I sincerly believe he is doing it for the LULZ

[boycotteverything]

i rather doubt that

[Lexion]

Speaking of Sarah, I'm about
1/4 way through her book.

It's pretty interesting.

Pretty obvious she wrote it,
though.

She needs to stick to politics.

[boycotteverything]

you and burntcock

[Lexion]

Well, she has two points
I admire.

First generation politician.

She's not a lawyer.

Plus, she's hot.

[Cogburn]

'progress' courses exponentially. you are a fool to be supporting Sarah Palin.

So what are you doing beyond supporting more hollow promises and lies for the sake of political expediency, made by frontmen for those who care not for your well being, and motivated by the basest of values?

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_02/sheep240307_486x386.jpg

[boycotteverything]

i support a sustainable planet. that's all, nothing else. to leave for my children better than i inherited. Earth First.

[boycotteverything]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Earthfirstmonkeywrench.gif

[Lexion]

Stay outta my fucking
tool box.

[Cogburn]

Somehow you think supporting failed and oppressive social systems separates you from the current status quo simply because the names of the systems are different.

It's time for radical action.

Palin 2012.

[anarch]

Somehow you think supporting failed and oppressive social systems separates you from the current status quo simply because the names of the systems are different.

It's time for radical action.

Palin 2012.


Palin does not represent radical action any more than Obama represents liberty and justice for all.

Politics is a dirty bitch the fucks one foolish with to party with it... You want real radical action? Force an electoral voter to vote for michal jackson. There is no way that dead fuck could make anything any worse than it already is..and his pyscho fan just might stop playing with them selves long enough to do something productive with their lives.

YOu want radical action!?!?! Go hit a lodge and tell them Kennedy was right! John not Ted.

Radical action!?! Go dismantle the strategic communications laboratory one violent act at a time...

fie..

Palin is not radical...she is a house wife that had to ask a news anchor what the job of the vice president was! AND CONSTITUTIONALY IT AINT MUCH!!!! Infered power has got jack shit on the letter of the law.. but if the law means dick..then fuck it.. Take your radical action and BURN THE FUCKER DOWN!

[Cogburn]

Name another current political icon that inspires as much radical action as Sarah Palin.

You're backing the wrong horse.

[anarch]

Name another current political icon that inspires as much radical action as Sarah Palin.

You're backing the wrong horse.

I am not backing a horse... I am not the jockey and neither are you. the electoral colleges make the choice while we are only invited to cast our opinion which in the world of politics means dick cause where peasants.....

Well if you really are a mason then at least you know people....and you know you don't have to be one to go far but it sure does help.

The system, Cog, its fucked... fucked beyond all repair.

WE are ruled by inferred law rather than defined law and when in doubt we are feed the horse shit that ignorance of the law is no excuse. And when we attempted to enlighten a Law enforcement officer of what the law is, we get punished because of their ignorance. And God for-fucking-bid you come across an ignorant judge because an ignorant judge can fuck your life up ten times worse than that fucked up leo.

Wanna write your congressman about changing the law? feel free to write him a million letters. I can tell you his trash can is big enough to handle it and his lack of concern is just enough to ask his secretary to throw them away for him.

Tired of all that. You can always try to petition your government for redress of grievance. I say try because they are under no obligation to pay any attention to you. Somewhere along the line congress realized they had the right to ignore us and they have ever since.

....I am not idealistic. I am disenfranchised and realistic.

heh....you live in a society will arrest you for your tweets and arrest you for not tweeting.... WHAT THE FUCK IS A TWEET IN RELATION TO AN OFFICERS JOB!?!

Good god man.... If you can not see the over whelming failures of the system for all that they are that you gotta latch on to hope via sarah letterman Palin....fuck man theirs no hope...

See ya on the other side.

[Cogburn]

Don't you see how your resistance is only prolonging the suffering of our nation?

To place morons in positions of power only causes those systems to crumble that much faster.

You're a Palin supporter and don't even realize it.

I am the only one here with a truly compassionate opinion on the matter. Join me.

[anarch]

Don't fail to understand me. I don't feed the trolls and I don't feed the system. To support anyone is fruitless at any rate. Our voices don't count. Not even yours as a fraternal brother. We our solicited for our opinion but it is the electoral colleges that choose the winner.

Every four years around 530 people get together and decide the fate of over 300 million people for the next four years. Those electoral voters are hand picked not elected themselves but APPOINTED by legislatures.

Their is a flaw in the system and that is why it is not sustainable. Either the system will change or like all republics before it...it will die.

[anarch]

Wait a minute!!!!....... I just became a palin supporter!

[Cogburn]

See?

All you have to do is be honest with yourself and I think most people will find they are Palin supporters.

Somebody, somewhere did a superior job convincing you that you had no influence on the world.

I say that's complete bullshit and that you have the inherent potential to be every bit as influential in shaping the minds and opinions of people as anyone else.

The question is, do you want to?

[anarch]

http://i47.tinypic.com/icigiv.jpg

[boycotteverything]

sarah palin. good work. maybe we can all fuck the hockey team!

[Cogburn]

We're gonna use your cattle mute helicopter for moose hunting.

[boycotteverything]

i gotta say- you're the biggest douchebag i've yet run in to- net, or otherwise.

[Cogburn]

Not enough mirrors in your house, obviously.

[Lexion]

Heh.

You want radical ?

You want change ?

A "hockey-Mom" running for
Prez.

There you have it.

[boycotteverything]

i love you, bro. but as long as that sandpaper dick is posting here, i am not.

[Cogburn]

Hoaxmasters 2.... coming soon!

[Lexion]

Sandpaper dick ?

Who is that ? Cog ?

[Cogburn]

It did involve genitalia.

That's the usual M.O. for my haters so I assumed it was me.

[skunk]

i love you, bro. but as long as that sandpaper dick is posting here, i am not.

That's lame.

[Cogburn]

You're just jealous that it wasn't you that did it.

[skunk]

Shut up sandpaper dick.

[Cogburn]

Ribbed for her pleasure.

[Lexion]

I turn them inside out.

I'm selfish.

[skunk]

This is what we should really be talking about:

http://amkon.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=75&stc=1&d=1260674990

Fuck climate change, its irrelevant, let's heal our planet anyway.

[Cogburn]

+1... or I would if I could give anyone rep.

[Oblivion]

i love you, bro. but as long as that sandpaper dick is posting here, i am not.

same old BE, gunna have a hissy fit, take his toys and go home coz he doesnt want to play the game anymore.

oh, the humanity of it all.. ive been mortally wounded. http://rc-racing.inghams.net/rc-racing/anim-avatar-bkground/smiley/drama.gif


haha. :lol: