Auntie Beeb explains it

[boycotteverything]

BBC has a posted an excellent article on the opposing positions of science and the the Bushist/ big oil deniers. It's a good read. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm




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The arguments made by climate change sceptics


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Special report: Copenhagen summit (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2009/copenhagen/)

At the UN climate summit in Copenhagen, 192 governments are aiming for a new global agreement to constrain greenhouse gas emissions and curb human-induced climate change.
But some commentators are unconvinced that rising greenhouse gas emissions are the cause of modern-day warming. Or they say the world is not actually getting warmer - or that a new treaty would hurt economic growth and well-being.
So what are their arguments, and how are they countered by scientists who assert that greenhouse gases, produced by human activity, are the cause of modern-day climate change?


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[Foxtrot Oscar]

"Meh"

There are now so many points for and against and so many specialist opinions out there. Well all I know about opinions are they're like assholes: everyones got one.

Strangley enough there wasn't a section about the general shittyness of the air around massive population centres and how that is just awesome for the human condition.

Just like with smoking, TPTB knew damm well it would (most/more than likely) fuck you up and the people around you, but while the green rolls in no one cares... they still don't.

Maybe the world will just chug along fine with all this shit in the air and all the heavy metals in the sea.

Wanna gamble your grandkids lives on it?

Fox

[boycotteverything]

Wanna gamble your grandkids lives on it? that's exactly what the apologists for Bushist Big Oil are ready to do. it's unfortunate- but these fools are also in the majority here at amkon as well.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Lots of macho bullshit.

The world over.

I am man: watch me fuck everything that moves and destroy everything that dosen't.

Fox

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/hadza/finkel-text

A good read.

[captainkiwi]

Lots of macho bullshit.

The world over.

I am man: watch me fuck everything that moves and destroy everything that dosen't.

Fox

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/hadza/finkel-text

A good read.

What can we learn from the Hadza, theirs is a life we have all left behind I thank them for surviving and for being there they are like the wise older brothers of Mankind with no interest in us or our world. They are the ones I hope will survive. As an old friend would always say "you can have all the brains in the world, but your fuck without common sense". The Hadza and tribes like them are all that will be left when our dumb fuck world is fried, and the only ones worthy, and with the real skills to survive this mess we have made of this wonderful world. No numbers and no clocks genius.........

[Snow Crash]

that's exactly what the apologists for Bushist Big Oil are ready to do. it's unfortunate- but these fools are also in the majority here at amkon as well.

Emphasis on 'fools'. I'd like to add 'obsolete' to that as well.

[boycotteverything]

WOW! What a fantastic article. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[Cogburn]

The problem is that BBC has never reported on the Climategate information, nor investigated it for its implications. The BBC has been participating in an agenda from the first day the story broke.

If you search around a little, there's plenty of folks who've noticed this and expounded at length upon the nature of such collusion.

[boycotteverything]

theirs is a life we have all left behind I thank them for surviving and for being there they are like the wise older brothers of Mankind with no interest in us or our world.
I'd brought along a photo album, and passing it around helped mitigate the awkwardness. Onwas was interested in a picture of my cat. "How does it taste?" he asked.That one sentence says it all.

[Cogburn]

That's 2 sentences.

Perhaps Gary McKinnon should have released the emails simply to help the credibility of the issue.

[captainkiwi]

That one sentence says it all.
I'd tell him Yum

[Cogburn]

The problem is the attempts by the BBC to still equate global warming as the motivation for conservation. Global warming, of course, is a lie.

No one said that we should continue strip mining and dumping hydrocarbons in to the water table.

It's a false dilemma.

[Snow Crash]

The problem is that BBC has never reported on the Climategate information, nor investigated it for its implications. The BBC has been participating in an agenda from the first day the story broke.

E-mails hacked from a climate research institute suggest climate change does not have a human cause, according to Saudi Arabia's lead climate negotiator.

Mohammad Al-Sabban told BBC News that the issue will have a "huge impact" on next week's UN climate summit, with countries unwilling to cut emissions.

Scientists say the e-mails from the University of East Anglia do not alter the picture of man-made warming.

Meanwhile, India has set a target for curbing the rise in its CO2 emissions.
Environment minister Jairam Ramesh pledged to cut India's emissions intensity - the amount of greenhouse gases produced for every unit of GDP - by 20-25% by 2020.

Human impact denied

The e-mails issue arose two weeks ago when hundreds of messages between scientists at the university's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and their peers around the world were posted on the world wide web, along with other documents.

The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8392611.stm)

It has also been on news bulletins on TV. Just FYI like. Of course, the depth to which the BBC will be/has been digging is something else altogether.

[Cogburn]

I stand corrected, kinda.

Look at the date on that article, and how long have we been talking about it here?

Can you find anything earlier, or might this have been simply a reaction to the fact that folks noticed they were mum on the topic?

[skunk]

No one said that we should continue strip mining and dumping hydrocarbons in to the water table.

Precisely. Why the focus on global warming and not pollution in general?

[Snow Crash]

Can you find anything earlier, or might this have been simply a reaction to the fact that folks noticed they were mum on the topic?

I'll have a look, though I had noticed that it turned up on amkon an aeon before it turned up with the BBC. Now, if this was ATS, someone would now be crowing about how l33t ATS is as a news org... hahahah.

[Snow Crash]

Precisely. Why the focus on global warming and not pollution in general?

I said exactly the same thing in another thread. This shit is a distraction.

[Cogburn]

Precisely. Why the focus on global warming and not pollution in general?
We are equally dumbfounded.

Adhering to a flawed theory as justification for action only leaves one open to qualified argument.

Crack out the tin foil.

[skunk]

Instead we focus on carbon credits....

[Snow Crash]

After a brief continuation of a google search on BBC mentions of the emails, (very brief, first page of search results) this article by Paul Hudson jumped out at me:

I was forwarded the chain of e-mails on the 12th October, which are comments from some of the worlds leading climate scientists written as a direct result of my article 'whatever happened to global warming' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8299079.stm). The e-mails released on the internet as a result of CRU being hacked into are identical to the ones I was forwarded and read at the time and so, as far as l can see, they are authentic.

Paul Hudson blog at the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2009/11/climategate-cru-hacked-into-an.shtml)

Found this as wel. It's the Daily Fail, so it requires that you hold your nose while you read it...


The controversy surrounding the global warming e-mail scandal has deepened after a BBC correspondent admitted he was sent the leaked messages more than a month before they were made public.

Paul Hudson, weather presenter and climate change expert, claims the documents allegedly sent between some of the world's leading scientists are of a direct result of an article he wrote.

In his BBC blog three days ago, Hudson said: 'I was forwarded the chain of emails on the 12th October, which are comments from some of the world's leading climate scientists written as a direct result of my article "Whatever Happened To Global Warming".'


The Daily Fail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230943/Climate-change-scandal-BBC-expert-sent-cover-emails-month-public.html)

[boycotteverything]

Precisely. Why the focus on global warming and not pollution in general?your choice. piss or shit. choose wisely.

[skunk]

I see its troll day again. Wonderful.

[boycotteverything]

when you have no other retort- troll will do. eh? you're a fool.

[boycotteverything]

No one said that we should continue strip mining and dumping hydrocarbons in to the water table.

It's a false dilemma. unless you have the brains to connect the dots. the issues are exactly the same. destruction of the earth for short-term commercial gain.

[captainkiwi]

unless you have the brains to connect the dots. the issues are exactly the same. destruction of the earth for short-term commercial gain.
TO5MytakLy8

[boycotteverything]

rather hear your response than some Nietzsche impersonator.

[captainkiwi]

My point is we are doomed mate as we all struggle to hold on to to the weak fabric of of our rotten civilization with it's self obsessive greed for more more more. We are hanging over the cliff hoping for salvation that is not coming I can hear the screaming can't you. Nietzsche touches on the condition that started all of this. I am still waiting for Superman with his silver bullet band. And that isn't gona happen is it. I can smell the rotting as it slithers from mouths of men weak vain and wasteful conned by the mighty dollar wank wank wank piggy bank

[Snow Crash]

wank wank wank piggy bank

That was bordering on fucking poetic lol.

[Cogburn]

unless you have the brains to connect the dots. the issues are exactly the same. destruction of the earth for short-term commercial gain.
... and what is global warming if not a vehicle for commercialism?

I could see how this could be confusing unless you have brains enough to be able to separate the issues, for once you do suddenly the problem becomes self-apparent: rampant industrialism for the sake of profit and not for the sake of the people whom such organizations serve.

You have been lulled to sleep with promises of carbon credits and cap-and-trade being the magic bullet that would get the whole ball rolling.

Wake up! It's time for real conservation!

[theeindiee]

I think we should all eat glutein free organic rice pasta, and STFU

[Snow Crash]

I think we should all eat glutein free organic rice pasta, and STFU

You need to STFU, based on that menu. I am waiting for my Monsanto brand GM terminator rice, so i can get some mutant rissoto up in this muthafukka

[theeindiee]

Doing anything other than crawling inside your butt until you disappear will just destroy the world anyway. Oh well. I'm not the world guardian or anything. I'm just passing through. I see that ronald mcdonald is the supreme pontiff of your slinkyscope of fun. You should probably change that.... until then, I will enjoy his delightful worldrapeburgers w/ cheese and small fries.

[theeindiee]

My point is we are doomed mate as we all struggle to hold on to to the weak fabric of of our rotten civilization with it's self obsessive greed for more more more. We are hanging over the cliff hoping for salvation that is not coming I can hear the screaming can't you. Nietzsche touches on the condition that started all of this. I am still waiting for Superman with his silver bullet band. And that isn't gona happen is it. I can smell the rotting as it slithers from mouths of men weak vain and wasteful conned by the mighty dollar wank wank wank piggy bank

There's no use in getting too sad. I can hear and see all that just fine as well... but the only thing I can do is find a small portal buried inside my brainbutt and disappear into it.

[Snow Crash]

Doing anything other than crawling inside your butt until you disappear will just destroy the world anyway. Oh well. I'm not the world guardian or anything. I'm just passing through.

I thought you were an NWO master of the new/universal/greed/self centric religion as advocated by your heros? You're stuck here, puta. You're not transcending to shit, no matter how hard you talk utter bollocks.


I see that ronald mcdonald is the supreme pontiff of your slinkyscope of fun. You should probably change that.... until then, I will enjoy his delightful worldrapeburgers w/ cheese and small fries.

Clearly, you should get your eyes tested.

[theeindiee]

I'm totally transcending! How dare you, sir! Hopefully to A place Where Ronald McDonald is just my personal chef, and only uses the most brutally of murdered special kids in his sweet meats. I keep the most retarded ones in a small cage where they shit all over themselves, and then, to make sure the meat is especially tender.... I use only the slowest and most painful of slaughtering processes, whereby I taunt them to death with my pomposity and my ability to know that I have a superior body, superior form, and I live for superior purposes... and that they can never mate with my females because of their disgusting little contorted faces. Their brain corpuscles slowly explode into deliciously bloody nervous aneurysms.... and then, once they've died from massive shock, I delect on their brain tissue with feverish furiosity.

Clearly... that's the only way to go. Is to feast on the brain matter of those lesser than you. I admit to doing so.

[captainkiwi]

... and what is global warming if not a vehicle for commercialism?

I could see how this could be confusing unless you have brains enough to be able to separate the issues, for once you do suddenly the problem becomes self-apparent: rampant industrialism for the sake of profit and not for the sake of the people whom such organizations serve.

You have been lulled to sleep with promises of carbon credits and cap-and-trade being the magic bullet that would get the whole ball rolling.

Wake up! It's time for real conservation!

And another organization that will be created to serve the people only to be sold of for the generation of profit. The same old story wank wank wank the only lasting and monumental change that could resolve this impasse is now up to nature, humanity is just to fucking stupid.

[Cogburn]

DuPont, DOW, Owens-Corning, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Union Carbide, ITT...

The only laws that need to change to save the environment are the ones that allow for the creation and prosperity of corporations.

Death to the sociopathic fictions!

[theeindiee]

Wouldn't those laws be personal laws, though, Cog?

Just to clarify.

[Cogburn]

¿Que?

You can argue that, but I'm a pragmatist: I don't expect human nature to change any time soon.

Remember that big stick that TR told us to carry around? Sometimes you need to swing it around a little so people get the point.

Outlaw corporations and folks will get the message.

[Royal]

Expert A - Blah


Expert B - Blah blah

In the end, the person who is the most likable and fuckable always wins

[Bitchkoma]

Instead we focus on carbon credits....

Coz there's money there man. I'm currently working on a project to plant tropical fruit trees, collect carbon credits, sell the credits and maybe sell the fruits.