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mojo
11-22-2009, 01:51 AM
Could the destruction of Atlantis have been the impetus for the spread of civilization from a single central point.
Without identifying Atlantis location lets assume that survivors of that civilization fled in all directions during the cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis and seeded many of the civilizations that began to spring into existence contemporaneously around 6000BC or before.
Lets start with two of the more well known civilizations of that time, Sumer and the Indus Valley civilizations.
There are numerous connections between these two cultures.
For the sake of the argument lets look at the direction of the spread of the Ubaid culture from the north west, from Anatolia and the Caucasus.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/Map_Ubaid_culture.png

Following that spread further it doesn't take much to reach the Gulf of Oman and the Indus Valley.


The Sumerians claimed that their civilization had been brought, fully formed, to the city (http://amkon2.net/wiki/City) of Eridu by their god Enki (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Enki) or by his advisor (or Abgallu from ab=water, gal=big, lu=man), Adapa U-an (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Adapa) (the Oannes (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Oannes) of Berossus (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Berossus)).



Some scholars suggest the Abgallu were seafarers aboard a ship from the Indus (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Indus) River Valley/Mohenjo Daro (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Mohenjo_Daro) civilization comparable in age to ancient Sumer and has some identified parallels to the Sumerian knowledge base (like Base-5 mathematics, irrigation systems/water management engineering and mud-brick cities)


Some other related maps of Sumer, the Middle East, Indus and the Atlantic Ocean.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/sumer1.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/indusmap.gif

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/mdietmap.gif

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/indus-sumer.gif

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/atlantic.gif

And the Ancient Silk Road trade route, which reaches far back into antiquity. If the Ancient Atlanteans (ancestors of the Sumerians) continued to spread out from Mesopotamia and the Indus it makes perfect sense that the Silk Road route would have been used.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/poloroute.gif

Obviously for an Atlantean culture to have seeded many of the early ancient civilizations trans-oceanic migration would have needed to be possible. There is circumstantial evidence that maritime journey's of this magnitude could have been possible.

link to wikipedia article on pre-columbian trans-oceanic travel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact)


Some people continue to believe that pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact may have occurred because such voyages were technically quite possible. After all, the only essential requirements for a successful trans-oceanic trip are a boat that can withstand the open ocean weather for a few months, and means to store or obtain enough food and water to keep the crew alive for that duration. The historical and experimental evidence gathered over the last few decades shows that these requirements could have been met even in remote antiquity, millennia before Columbus's time. This circumstantial evidence includes reliable records of several maritime trips of comparable distance, and modern attempts to retrace possible contact routes with reproductions of ancient boats. While these reports and experiments are only speculative, they do open up the question of such contacts.


Linguistic (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Linguistics) evidence has demonstrated that Madagascar (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Madagascar), for example, was settled by Austronesian (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Austronesian_people) peoples from Indonesia (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Indonesia). Their navigators were able to cross the Indian Ocean (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Indian_Ocean) and large sections of the Pacific (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Pacific_Ocean) by the early 1st millennium (http://amkon2.net/wiki/1st_millennium).


19th century (http://amkon2.net/wiki/19th_century), a Japanese (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Japan)junk (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Junk_%28sailing%29) lost its mast (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Mast_%28sailing%29) and rudder (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Rudder) in a typhoon (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Typhoon) on its way to Edo (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Edo), was carried by sea currents across the Northern Pacific (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Northern_Pacific), and reached the coast of Washington State (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Washington_%28state%29) 14 months later. One of the survivors, Otokichi (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Otokichi), became a famous interpreter.


1982 (http://amkon2.net/wiki/1982), Brazilian newspapers reported that fragments of amphorae (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Amphorae) had been recovered by professional treasure hunter and underwater archaeologist Robert Frank Marx (http://amkon2.net/w/index.php?title=Robert_Frank_Marx&action=edit), from the bottom of Guanabara Bay (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Guanabara_Bay), in Rio de Janeiro (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro), Brazil (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Brazil). Elizabeth Lyding Mill (http://amkon2.net/w/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Lyding_Mill&action=edit) of the University of Massachusetts has reportedly identified the finds as being Roman, manufactured at Kouass (http://amkon2.net/w/index.php?title=Kouass&action=edit) (Dehar Jedid) in Morocco, and dated them to the 3rd century (http://amkon2.net/wiki/3rd_century). A bottom survey by Harold E. Edgerton (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Harold_E._Edgerton) a pioneer in the field from MIT located what seemed to be remains of two disintegrating ships.

Further proof that trans-oceanic travel was possible pre-columbian? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1068950.stm)


The researchers claim that Abubakari's fleet of pirogues, loaded with men and women, livestock, food and drinking water, departed from what is the coast of present-day Gambia.

They are gathering evidence that in 1312 Abubakari II landed on the coast of Brazil in the place known today as Recife.

As i've suggested in other threads the Azores also can claim to be in roughly the correct geographical location for Atlantis according to Plato's account.

library.csustan.edu (http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/azores.html)


The Azores is a lively place to be. There is a continuous chain of earthquakes and volcanic activity that has had a great effect on its inhabitants. Many of them have left the islands in horror after witnessing one of these catacylysmic events. But disasters are bound to happen when a volcanic environment is home for thousands of human beings.89


There have been 21 major volcanic eruptions in the past 550 years collectively occurring on the islands of Sao Miguel, Terceira, Pico, Sao Jorge, and Faial


There have been 18 major temblors on the islands in recorded history.99 One such quake took place in 1522 when the entire village of Villa Franca, on Sao Miguel island, having 5,000 residents, and being the center of government, was engulfed within sixty seconds by land mass thrown from a hill behind the village. It caused a tidal wave and other destruction in the adjascent islands. It took a year to dig the village out and to give Christian burials to its 5,000 victims.

There is some evidence to suggest that the Azores had been visited by Phoenician or Carthaginian sailors, and they may have even used it as a resupply point when undertaking trips further west to the America's. A statue of a horse and rider pointing West was supposedly found on Corvo as well as some phoenician coins. This to me may suggest that either the Phoenicians or Carthaginians could of had some knowledge of where these islands were, ancient charts maybe, or legends passed down. The Phoenicians also traded extensively with Egypt at the time, which is where Solon got his information from Egyptian priests regarding Atlantis, and which Plato then wrote about. So could the Phoenicians have also had access to this information regarding the location of Atlantis from the Egyptians who learnt of the existence of this place from the Sumerians?

www.earth-history (http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/), some alternative views.


Diodorus the ancient Greek historian wrote that thousands of years earlier Phoenicians had been to the immense Atlantic island (where Plato wrote Atlantis was.

www.lilithgallery.com (http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/atlantis_forgotten.html)


Plato described Atlantis as being ruled by ten kings before its demise.

In Egyptian mythology states there was originally 10 god-kings, who ruled in a foreign country. They were called Auriteans, but the actual pronunciation is unsure because hieroglyphs only approximate real sounds.
The Phoenician historian Sanchuniathon (1193 BC) calls the same kings "Aleteans". Note this is 600 years before Plato was even born.

Some interesting material here, including maps (http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey.html)


So far this century there has been a confirmed report of a one mile rise in the floor of the ocean 576 miles north of Azores when a trans-atlantic cable broke. Dr David F. Zhirov in 1970 reported sand beaches and coral at a depths of 2 miles south of the Azores. Confirmed evidence exists that sections of the Mid-Atlantic ridge have been above sea level in the past and fresh water diatoms have been found 2 miles down in the Azores area dated 10,000 to 12,000 BC.

Volcanic material described as un-dissolved tachylite was found on Telegraph Bank 500 miles north of Azores, indicating that it had been laid down above sea level at some time between 50,000 BC and 10,000 BC. Sediment core analysis at locations off the coast of Africa have proved a 2 mile sinkage of volcanic island structures similar to those of the Azores.

Interesting article on the history of the Azores (http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/azores.html)


Corvo along with Flores are the two westernmost islands of the archipelago, and hence, the last inch of European soil. It was here in the early 1500's, that Damiao de Goes, under the employment of King Dom Manoel of Portugal, wrote of a statue of a man on horseback pointing to the west which was clinging to a rocky ledge. The king asked for a drawing of it, and after seeing the drawing, he sent someone to bring it back. As the story goes, it was shattered in a storm en route, but the king received the parts. There too was an inscription in the rock below the statue, and an impression was taken of it. But neither the shattered parts of the statue, nor the impression of the inscription were ever found.33 Was it a hoax? Scholars are still unsure.Some have speculated that the statue was really just one of many rock formations seen on the island and nothing more.34 Others feel it did exist and could have been evidence of the lost continent of Atlantis, or of another settlement of ancient peoples. Coins too were found on Corvo, and their images were published in a journal of the Society of Gothenberg. They were considered to be of Carthagenian or Cyrenean origin by the society.35 A twentieth century Portuguese scholar, made a serious effort to locate the coins. He went to the convent to which they were first supposedly taken. He also visited museums where he thought information could be found. But his investigation turned up nothing.36

Some other similarities between civilizations located thousands of kilometres apart.

The Phoenicians were known to have traded with India, are there similarities in sacrificial rites (http://www.sharpblades.net/index.php?page=post&id=56)


The Aztecs sacerdotes used knives with obsidian blades and golden hilts to cut off the hearts of the scarified humans in the name of Huitzilopochtli god. The in the well known "Night Sorrow" (June 30), when hundreds of Spanish prisoners (from Cortés army) were killed, the Aztecs used the ritual described above. An identical ritual of human sacrifice was present in India in the temples of Kali (Devi, Shakti).

Phoenician inscriptions allegedly found in Brazil (http://home.mindspring.com/~blkgrnt/footlights/foot55.html)


We are sons of Canaan from Sidon, the city of the king. Commerce has cast us on this distant shore, a land of mountains We sacrificed a youth for the exalted gods and goddesses in the nineteenth year of Hiram. our mighty king We embarked from Ezion-Geber into the Red Sea and voyaged with ten ships. We were at sea together for two years, around the land belonging to Ham [Africa], but were separated from the hand of Baal and we were no long with our companions So we have come here. twelve men and three women, on a...shore which I, the Admiral, control. But auspiciously may the exalted gods and goddesses favor us!

(Ouoted from my GODS OF THE CATACLYSM. New York: Harper's Magazine Press, 1976, p.136.)
This inscription correlates very nicely with the bible, King Solomon making a pact with the same Hiram of Tyre to build ships for him to go to Ophir in search of gold:


The La Fuente Magna is a bowl discovered in Bolivia containing writing of Sumerian or proto Sumerian cuneiform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuente_Magna)

It is a large stone vessel, resembling a
libation bowl (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Libation), possibly used for religious ceremonies. It was found in the 1950's by a farmer in the neighbourhood of Tiwanaku (http://amkon2.net/wiki/Tiwanaku) and has since been authenticated.

Pictures of the bowl here (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_8.htm)



Recent discoveries of Roman settlement and various Phoenician, Berber, and Egyptian objects and inscriptions in Tenerife and Lanzarote (Canary Archipelago), proves the existence of regular, although not very active, maritime contacts between Europe/Africa and the Canary islands from V BC to IV AD centuries. These contacts make highly likely the assumption that some accidental/drift voyages across the middle (and the south) Atlantic may have happened during antiquity in the same way as they happened between the XVI and XX centuries.

Excerpt (http://www.unm.edu/~rhristov/project1.html)


Presently one hundred ninety-six Mesoamerican artifacts with representations of personages with apparent "Caucasoid" and "Negroid" racial characteristics have been registered. We hope that in the near future the mentioned data will permit more objective and better founded evaluation of their implications in the discussion of the Pre-Columbian Trans-Atlantic contacts.

[url=http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=154]


This distribution could not have been due merely to natural transfer mechanisms, nor can it be explained by early human migrations to the New World via the Bering Strait route. Well over half the plant transfers consisted of flora of American origin that spread to Eurasia or Oceania, some at surprisingly early dates.

The only plausible explanation for these findings is that a considerable number of transoceanic voyages in both directions across both major oceans were completed between the 7th millennium BC and the European age of discovery.

This section below refers only to pre-columbian evidence of Oceania or Southeast Asian migration to the Americas.


If a date for the parasite in the Americas before European discovery could be proven, he observed, then the only explanation for the parasite in the New World would have to be that it arrived anciently via infected humans who had crossed the ocean—"storm-tossed fishermen," he ventured.

His reasoning sprang from facts about the life cycle of this worm. In one stage it must inhabit warm, moist soil (in a climate no colder than that of North Carolina today). At a later stage, the worms from the soil penetrate a human host's body and settle in the digestive tract. Immigrants who came to the New World in slow stages via Beringia would have arrived hookworm-free because the cold ambient conditions would have killed the parasite in the soil (Soper 1927; Ferreira et al. 1988).

This section below deals with the nautical prowess of pre-columbian cultures.


In Peru, balsa rafts were in use along the shore by 2500 BC and ocean-going craft well before the 1st century BC (Norton 1987). Alsar (1973; 1974) demonstrated the feasibility of crossing the Pacific from east to west by sailing a fleet of three Ecuadorean-built rafts with a crew of 12 over 9,200 miles to Australia (the rafts even exchanged crew members at rendezvous points en route). Various forms of such rafts, in addition to large canoes, were used throughout much of Oceania (Clissold 1959). Our present state of knowledge about ancient nautics does not rule out voyages that could account for the early presence of amaranth, maize, the peanut, and other crops, as well as the hookworm, in both Asia and the Americas.

If you think of the many civilizations that arose fairly quickly within a similar time frame it begins to make sense to think of a singular entry point.
Imagine for the sake of the argument that Atlantis was based in or about the Azores.
Now imagine those very same folk fleeing from that location in all directions, the majority heading east to the closest of the land masses, and perhaps just a smaller population fleeing westerly across the open ocean.
Like the spokes of a wheel civilization spread from this point, the larger groups settling in Mesopotamia, whilst some continued on settling in the Indus valley, meanwhile those others that fled west settled in South america or perhaps the Carribean first.
Any thoughts?

theeindiee
11-22-2009, 02:22 AM
I have this feeling that you are looking way too much at details which may or may not be relevent. Was Atlantis real? Perhaps Atlantis and the Flood are allegories. Not just simple myths or fables meant to instill morals in people who need that kind of thing, but mystical allegories. As to whether Atlantis existed or not in reality... I think the fact that Plato was the one to first describe it, and saying that it originally came to him from an Egyptian Priest says a lot about its allegorical nature. Did Plato himself ever really visit Egypt?

mojo
11-22-2009, 08:41 AM
whether or not its an allegory is irrelevant.
the point is....was there an ancient civilization that due to catastrophic circumstances seeded other civilizations worldwide.
you can call it atlantis, lemuria, mu or anything else you like.
also i dont believe plato was the first to mention atlantis.


In Egyptian mythology states there was originally 10 god-kings, who ruled in a foreign country. They were called Auriteans, but the actual pronunciation is unsure because hieroglyphs only approximate real sounds.
The Phoenician historian Sanchuniathon (1193 BC) calls the same kings "Aleteans". Note this is 600 years before Plato was even born.

there are other linguistic similarities to atlantis, atlans, atlas, aletean etc etc that pre-date plato.

boycotteverything
11-22-2009, 09:05 AM
i make a rare visit from the Unithread to compliment you on your research, young Sumerian.

boycotteverything
11-22-2009, 11:29 PM
also i dont believe plato was the first to mention atlantis.Source? I think you're wrong about that. Atlantis was Socrates' baby all the way. Timaeus.

Jackinthebox
11-22-2009, 11:47 PM
Wow, impressive post Mojo. Off the hip, I would say yes, there is a strong possibility that the ancient civilizations that we know were influenced or "seeded" by a lost civilization such as the one we think of as Atlantis.

theeindiee
11-23-2009, 12:15 AM
Same can be said For Eleusius, Lucius, Lewis, Lucky, Lux, Lucifer, Lucid.... doesn't mean it's referring to a historical thing. But I must say, finding an ancient civilization that had spaceships would be SWEEEET. Too bad they didn't seed spaceships to other cultures.

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 01:03 AM
Try the Vedas. Krishna flying around in a Vimana.

mojo
11-23-2009, 01:17 AM
Same can be said For Eleusius, Lucius, Lewis, Lucky, Lux, Lucifer, Lucid.... doesn't mean it's referring to a historical thing. But I must say, finding an ancient civilization that had spaceships would be SWEEEET. Too bad they didn't seed spaceships to other cultures.

just for clarification.....i dont think any ancient civilization had spaceships.
when plato talks of an advanced culture he's using that term in reference to the techn ological ability of his own society.
technologically advanced doesn't mean nuclear bombs and spaceships, it refers to a society that had moved beyond the bronze and iron age.

thats the trouble with most dfiscussions regarding an atlantean (call it what you will) civilizationj, everyone assumes they had crystal lasers, flying chariots and nuclear dildoes.

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 01:23 AM
why overlook this?
http://www.main.org/polycosmos/glxywest/vimanas.htm

Cogburn
11-23-2009, 01:25 AM
The evolution of technology is as much happy accident as it is cultural influence.

Suppose we stumbled upon magnetism before metallurgy...

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 01:42 AM
Here's a magazine i love. Atlantis Rising. It's sort of an acquired taste but give it a try. This is issue 10. David Childress discusses Vimanas in one of the articles. I really believe there's more here than meets the eye. If you love all things Atlantean... http://www.atlantisrising.com/backissues/issue10/ar10contents.html

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 01:46 AM
here's David's main site http://www.atlantisrising.com/index.shtml

Cogburn
11-23-2009, 01:47 AM
What's with the hard-on for vimana?

We've all heard of it... hardly of relevance to the thread unless you'd like to provide some.

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 01:50 AM
In reference to Indy's question above. Posted mainly for his benefit.


Same can be said For Eleusius, Lucius, Lewis, Lucky, Lux, Lucifer, Lucid.... doesn't mean it's referring to a historical thing. But I must say, finding an ancient civilization that had spaceships would be SWEEEET. Too bad they didn't seed spaceships to other cultures.

mojo
11-23-2009, 03:19 AM
catalhoyuk imo was a stepping stone for the fleeing atlanteans. the spread seems to be from the west or north west which ties in with the major sites for atlantis.
a population fleeing from destruction in either the azores, the black sea or santorini would naturally flee westward, the more difficult escape is the eastward route, particularly from the azores. which might account for the much later installation of common technology in the america's.

Cogburn
11-23-2009, 03:46 AM
I've come at the problem from a different angle, and I'm not sure I agree with the label "Atlantean" as a result.

My research has focused on the commonality of the mythos of the Deluge across the world, across eras, between peoples with absolutely no documented interaction. I have so far collected 61 such instances.

The 61 myths have at least 3 points in common:

The occurance was ancient at the time of the original writing or telling of the tale. It was a time of magic, giants and humans with super-powers.
Someone built a boat and put people and/or animals on it to save them
The involvement of the gods or other supernatural entities.

Masai
Tumbainot, a righteous man, had a wife named Naipande and three sons, Oshomo, Bartimaro, and Barmao. When his brother Lengerni died, Tumbainot, according to custom, married the widow Nahaba-logunja, who bore him three more sons, but they argued about her refusal to give him a drink of milk in the evening, and she set up her own homestead. The world was heavily populated in those days, but the people were sinful and not mindful of God. However, they refrained from murder, until at last a man named Nambija hit another named Suage on the head. At this, God resolved to destroy mankind, except Tumbainot found grace in His eyes. God commanded Tumbainot to build an ark of wood and enter it with his two wives, six sons and their wives, and some of animals of every sort. When they were all aboard and provisioned, God caused a great long rain which caused a flood, and all other men and beasts drowned. The ark drifted for a long time, and provisions began to run low. The rain finally stopped, and Tumbainot let loose a dove to ascertain the state of the flood. The dove returned tired, so Tumbainot knew it had found no place to rest. Several days later, he loosed a vulture, but first he attached an arrow to one of its tail feathers so that, if the bird landed, the arrow would hook on something and be lost. The vulture returned that evening without the arrow, so Tumbainot reasoned that it must have landed on carrion, and that the flood was receding. When the water ran away, the ark grounded on the steppe, and its occupants disembarked. Tumbainot saw four rainbows, one in each quarter of the sky, signifying that God's wrath was over. [Frazer, pp. 330-331]

Southwest Tanzania (Rukwa Region)
The rivers began flooding. God told two men to go into a ship, taking with them all sorts of seed and animals. The flood rose, covering the mountains. Later, to check whether the waters had dried up, the man sent out a dove, and it came back to the ship. He waited and sent out a hawk, which did not return because the waters had dried. The men then disembarked with the animals and seeds. [Gaster, pp. 120-121]

Greek
"Zeus sent a flood to destroy the men of the Bronze Age. Prometheus advised his son Deucalion to build a chest. All other men perished except for a few who escaped to high mountains. The mountains in Thessaly were parted, and all the world beyond the Isthmus and Peloponnese was overwhelmed. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha (daughter of Epimetheus and Pandora), after floating in the chest for nine days and nights, landed on Parnassus. When the rains ceased, he sacrificed to Zeus, the God of Escape. At the bidding of Zeus, he threw stones over his head; they became men, and the stones which Pyrrha threw became women. That is why people are called laoi, from laas, ""a stone."" [Apollodorus, 1.7.2]
The first race of people was completely destroyed because they were exceedingly wicked. The fountains of the deep opened, the rain fell in torrents, and the rivers and seas rose to cover the earth, killing all of them. Deucalion survived due to his prudence and piety and linked the first and second race of men. Onto a great ark he loaded his wives and children and all animals. The animals came to him, and by God's help, remained friendly for the duration of the flood. The flood waters escaped down a chasm opened in Hierapolis. [Frazer, pp. 153-154]
An older version of the story told by Hellanicus has Deucalion's ark landing on Mount Othrys in Thessaly. Another account has him landing on a peak, probably Phouka, in Argolis, later called Nemea. [Gaster, p. 85]
The Megarians told that Megarus, son of Zeus, escaped Deucalion's flood by swimming to the top of Mount Gerania, guided by the cries of cranes. [Gaster, p. 85-86]
An earlier flood was reported to have occurred in the time of Ogyges, founder and king of Thebes. The flood covered the whole world and was so devastating that the country remained without kings until the reign of Cecrops. [Gaster, p. 87]
Nannacus, king of Phrygia, lived before the time of Deucalion and foresaw that he and all people would perish in a coming flood. He and the Phrygians lamented bitterly, hence the old proverb about ""weeping like (or for) Nannacus."" After the deluge had destroyed all humanity, Zeus commanded Prometheus and Athena to fashion mud images, and Zeus summoned winds to breathe life into them. The place where they were made is called Iconium after these images. [Frazer, p. 155]
""Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years"" since Athens and Atlantis were preeminent. Destruction by fire and other catastrophes was also common. In these floods, water rose from below, destroying city dwellers but not mountain people. The floods, especially the third great flood before Deucalion, washed away most of Athens' fertile soil. [Plato, ""Timaeus"" 22, ""Critias"" 111-112]"

Roman
"Jupiter, angered at the evil ways of humanity, resolved to destroy it. He was about to set the earth to burning, but considered that that might set heaven itself afire, so he decided to flood the earth instead. With Neptune's help, he caused storm and earthquake to flood everything but the summit of Parnassus, where Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha came by boat and found refuge. Recognizing their piety, Jupiter let them live and withdrew the flood. Deucalion and Pyrrha, at the advice of an oracle, repopulated the world by throwing ""your mother's bones"" (stones) behind them; each stone became a person. [Ovid, book 1]
Jupiter and Mercury, traveling incognito in Phrygia, begged for food and shelter, but found all doors closed to them until they received hospitality from Philemon and Baucis. The gods revealed their identity, led the couple up the mountains, and showed them the whole valley flooded, destroying all homes but the couple's, which was transformed into a marble temple. Given a wish, the couple asked to be priest and priestess of the temple, and to die together. In their extreme old age, they changed into an oak and lime tree. [Ovid, book 8]
One of the kings of Alba (named Romulus, Remulus, or Amulius Silvius), set himself up as a god equal to or superior to Jupiter. He made machines to mimic thunder and lightning, and he ordered his soldiers to drown out real thunder by beating on their shields. For his impiety, he and his house were destroyed by a thunderbolt in a fierce storm. The Alban lake rose and drowned his palace. You may still see the ruins when the lake is clear and calm. [Frazer 1993, p. 149]"

Scandinavian
Oden, Vili, and Ve fought and slew the great ice giant Ymir, and icy water from his wounds drowned most of the Rime Giants. The giant Bergelmir escaped, with his wife and children, on a boat made from a hollowed tree trunk. From them rose the race of frost ogres. Ymir's body became the world we live on. His blood became the oceans. [Sturluson, p. 35]

Celtic
Heaven and Earth were great giants, and Heaven lay upon the Earth so that their children were crowded between them, and the children and their mother were unhappy in the darkness. The boldest of the sons led his brothers in cutting up Heaven into many pieces. From his skull they made the firmament. His spilling blood caused a great flood which killed all humans except a single pair, who were saved in a ship made by a beneficent Titan. The waters settled in hollows to become the oceans. The son who led in the mutilation of Heaven was a Titan and became their king, but the Titans and gods hated each other, and the king titan was driven from his throne by his son, who was born a god. That Titan at last went to the land of the departed. The Titan who built the ship, whom some consider to be the same as the king Titan, went there also. [Sproul, pp. 172-173]

Welsh
The lake of Llion burst, flooding all lands. Dwyfan and Dwyfach escaped in a mastless ship with pairs of every sort of living creature. They landed in Prydain (Britain) and repopulated the world. [Gaster, pp. 92-93]

Lithuanian
From his heavenly window, the supreme god Pramzimas saw nothing but war and injustice among mankind. He sent two giants, Wandu and Wejas (water and wind), to destroy earth. After twenty days and nights, little was left. Pramzimas looked to see the progress. He happened to be eating nuts at the time, and he threw down the shells. One happened to land on the peak of the tallest mountain, where some people and animals had sought refuge. Everybody climbed in and survived the flood floating in the nutshell. God's wrath abated, he ordered the wind and water to abate. The people dispersed, except for one elderly couple who stayed where they landed. To comfort them, God sent the rainbow and advised them to jump over the bones of the earth nine times. They did so, and up sprang nine other couples, from which the nine Lithuanian tribes descended. [Gaster, p. 93]

Transylvanian Gypsy
Men once lived forever and knew no troubles. The earth brought forth fine fruits, flesh grew on trees, and milk and wine flowed in many rivers. One day, and old man came to the country and asked for a night's lodging, which a couple gave him in their cottage. When he departed the next day, he said he would return in nine days. He gave his host a small fish in a vessel and said he would reward the host if he did not eat the fish but returned it then. The wife thought the fish must be exceptionally good to eat, but the husband said he had promised the old man to keep it and made the woman swear not to eat it. After two days of thinking about it, though, the wife yielded to temptation and threw the fish on the hot coals. Immediately, she was struck dead by lightning, and it began to rain. The rivers started overflowing the country. On the ninth day, the old man returned and told his host that all living things would be drowned, but since he had kept his oath, he would be saved. The old man told the host to take a wife, gather his kinfolk, and build a boat on which to save them, animals, and seeds of trees and herbs. The man did all this. It rained a year, and the waters covered everything. After a year, the waters sank, and the people and animals disembarked. They now had to labor to gain a living, and sickness and death came also. They multiplied slowly so that many thousands of years passed before people were again as numerous as they were before the flood. [Frazer, pp. 177-178]

Sumerian
The gods had decided to destroy mankind. The god Enlil warned the priest-king Ziusudra ("Long of Life") of the coming flood by speaking to a wall while Ziusudra listened at the side. He was instructed to build a great ship and carry beasts and birds upon it. Violent winds came, and a flood of rain covered the earth for seven days and nights. Then Ziusudra opened a window in the large boat, allowing sunlight to enter, and he prostrated himself before the sun-god Utu. After landing, he sacrificed a sheep and an ox and bowed before Anu and Enlil. For protecting the animals and the seed of mankind, he was granted eternal life and taken to the country of Dilmun, where the sun rises. [Hammerly-Dupuy, p. 56; Heidel, pp. 102-106]

Babylonian
Three times (every 1200 years), the gods were distressed by the disturbance from human overpopulation. The gods dealt with the problem first by plague, then by famine. Both times, the god Enki advised men to bribe the god causing the problem. The third time, Enlil advised the gods to destroy all humans with a flood, but Enki had Atrahasis build an ark and so escape. Also on the boat were cattle, wild animals and birds, and Atrahasis' family. When the storm came, Atrahasis sealed the door with bitumen and cut the boat's rope. The storm god Adad raged, turning the day black. After the seven-day flood, the gods regretted their action. Atrahasis made an offering to them, at which the gods gathered like flies, and Enki established barren women and stillbirth to avoid the problem in the future. [Dalley, pp. 23-35]

Assyrian
The gods, led by Enlil, agreed to cleanse the earth of an overpopulated humanity, but Utnapishtim was warned by the god Ea in a dream. He and some craftsmen built a large boat (one acre in area, seven decks) in a week. He then loaded it with his family, the craftsmen, and "the seed of all living creatures." The waters of the abyss rose up, and it stormed for six days. Even the gods were frightened by the flood's fury. Upon seeing all the people killed, the gods repented and wept. The waters covered everything but the top of the mountain Nisur, where the boat landed. Seven days later, Utnapishtim released a dove, but it returned finding nowhere else to land. He next returned a sparrow, which also returned, and then a raven, which did not return. Thus he knew the waters had receded enough for the people to emerge. Utnapishtim made a sacrifice to the gods. He and his wife were given immortality and lived at the end of the earth. [Sandars, chpt. 5]

Chaldean
"The god Chronos in a vision warned Xisuthrus, the tenth king of Babylon, of a flood coming on the fifteenth day of the month of Daesius. The god ordered him to write a history and bury it in Sippara, and told him to build and provision a vessel (5 stadia by 2 stadia) for himself, his friends and relations, and all kinds of animals. Xisuthrus asked where he should sail, and Chronos answered, ""to the gods, but first pray for all good things to men."" Xisuthrus built a ship five furlongs by two furlongs and loaded it as ordered. After the flood had come and abated somewhat, he sent out some birds, which returned. Later, he tried again, and the birds returned with mud on their feet. On the third trial, the birds didn't return. He saw that land had appeared above the waters, so he parted some seams of his ship, saw the shore, and drove his ship aground in the Corcyraean mountains in Armenia. He disembarked with his wife, daughter, and pilot, and offered sacrifices to the gods. Those four were translated to live with the gods. The others at first were grieved when they could not find the four, but they heard Xisuthrus' voice in the air telling them to be pious and to seek his writings at Sippara. Part of the ship remains to this day, and some people make charms from its bitumen. [Frazer, pp. 108-110; G. Smith, pp. 42-43]
According to accounts attributed to Berosus, the antediluvians were giants who became impious and depraved, except one among them that reverenced the gods and was wise and prudent. His name was Noa, and he dwelt in Syria with his three sons Sem, Japet, Chem, and their wives Tidea, Pandora, Noela, and Noegla. From the stars, he foresaw destruction, and he began building an ark. 78 years after he began building, the oceans, inland seas, and rivers burst forth from beneath, attended by many days of violent rain. The waters overflowed all the mountains, and the human race was drowned except Noa and his family who survived on his ship. The ship came to rest at last on the top of the Gendyae or Mountain. Parts of it still remain, which men take bitumen from to make charms against evil. [H. Miller, pp. 291-292]"

Hebrew
"God, upset at mankind's wickedness, resolved to destroy it, but Noah was righteous and found favor with Him. God told Noah to build an ark, 450 x 75 x 45 feet, with three decks. Noah did so, and took aboard his family (8 people in all) and pairs of all kinds of animals (7 of the clean ones). For 40 days and nights, floodwaters came from the heavens and from the deeps, until the highest mountains were covered. The waters flooded the earth for 150 days; then God sent a wind and the waters receded, and the ark came to rest in Ararat. After 40 days, Noah sent out a raven, which kept flying until the waters had dried up. He next sent out a dove, which returned without finding a perch. A week later he set out the dove again, and it returned with an olive leaf. The next week, the dove didn't return. After a year and 10 days from the start of the flood, everyone and everything emerged from the ark. Noah sacrificed some clean animals and birds to God, and God, pleased with this, promised never again to destroy all living creatures with a flood, giving the rainbow as a sign of this covenant. Animals became wild and became suitable food, and Noah and his family were told to repopulate the earth. Noah planted a vineyard and one day got drunk. His son Ham saw him lying naked in his tent and told his brothers Shem and Japheth, who came and covered Noah with their faces turned. When Noah awoke, he cursed Ham and his descendants and blessed his other sons. [Genesis 6-9]
Men lived at ease before the flood; a single harvest provided for forty years, children were born after only a few days instead of nine months and could walk and talk immediately, and people could command the sun and moon. This indolence led men astray, especially to the sins of wantonness and rapacity. God determined to destroy the sinners, but in mercy he instructed Noah to warn them of the threat of a flood and to preach to them to mend their ways. Noah did this for 120 years. God gave mankind a final week of grace during which the sun reversed course, but the wicked men did not repent; they only mocked Noah for building the ark. Noah learned how to make the ark from a book, given to Adam by the angel Raziel, which contained all knowledge. This book was made of sapphires, and Noah put it in a golden casket and, during the flood, used it to tell day from night, for the sun and moon did not shine at that time. The flood was caused by male waters from the sky meeting the female waters from the ground. God made holes in the sky for the waters to issue from by removing two stars from the Pleiades. He later closed the hole by borrowing two stars from the Bear. That is why the Bear always runs after the Pleiades. The animals came to the ark in such numbers that Noah could not take them all; he had them sit by the door of the ark, and he took in the animals which lay down at the door. 365 species of reptiles and 32 species of bird were taken. Since seven pairs of each kind of clean animal were taken, the clean animals outnumbered the unclean after the flood. One creatures, the reem was so big it had to be tethered outside the ark and follow behind. The giant Og, king of Bashan, was also too big and escaped the flood sitting atop the ark. In addition to Noah, his wife Naamah, and their sons and sons' wives, Falsehood and Misfortune also took refuge on the ark. Falsehood was initially turned away when he presented himself without a mate, so he induced Misfortune to join him and returned. When the flood began, the sinners gathered around it and rushed the door, but the wild beasts aboard the ark guarded the door and set upon them. Those which escaped the beasts drowned in the flood. The ark, and the animals in it, were tossed around on the waters for a year, but Noah's greatest difficulty was feeding all the animals, for he had to work day and night to feed both the diurnal and nocturnal animals. When Noah once tarried in feeding the lion, the lion gave him a blow which made him lame for the rest of his life and prevented him from serving as a priest. On the tenth day of the month of Tammuz, Noah sent forth a raven, but the raven found a corpse to devour and did not return. A week later Noah sent out a dove, and on its third flight it returned with an olive leaf plucked from the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, for the Holy Land had not suffered from the flood. Noah wept at the devastation when he left the ark, and Shem offered a thank-offering; Noah could not officiate due to his encounter with the lion. [Ginzberg, pp. 319-335; see also Frazer, pp. 143-145]"

Persian
In early times, the earth was full of malign creatures fashioned by the evil Ahriman. The angel Tistar (the star Sirius) descended three times, in the form of man, horse, and bull respectively, causing ten days and nights of rain each time. Each rain drop became as big as a bowl, and the water rose the height of a man over the whole earth. The first flood drowned the creatures, but the dead noxious creatures went into holes in the earth. Before returning to cause the second flood, Tistar, in the form of a white horse, battled the demon Apaosha, who took the form of a black horse. Ormuzd blasted the demon with lightning, making the demon give a cry which can still be heard in thunderstorms, and Tistar prevailed and caused rivers to flow. The poison washed from the land by the second flood made the seas salty. The waters were driven to the ends of the earth by a great wind and became the sea Vourukasha ("Wide-Gulfed"). [Carnoy, p. 270; Vitaliano, pp. 161-162; H. Miller, p. 288]

Zoroastrian
Yima, under divine superintendence, reigned over the world for 900 years. As there was no disease or death, the population increased so that it was necessary to enlarge the earth after 300 years; Yima accomplished this with the help of a gold ring and gold-inlaid dagger he had received from Ahura Mazda, the Creator. Enlargement of the earth was necessary again after 600 years. When the population became too great after 900 years, Ahura Mazda warned Yima that destruction was coming in the form of winter, frost, and subsequent melting of the snow. He instructed Yima to build a vara, a large square enclosure, in which to keep specimens of small and large cattle, human beings, dogs, birds, red flaming fires, plants and foodstuffs, two of every kind. The men and cattle he brought in were to be the finest on earth. Within the enclosure, men passed the happiest of lives, with each year seeming like a day. [Frazer, pp. 180-182; Dresden, p. 344]

Yoruba (southwest Nigeria)
A god, Ifa, tired of living on earth and went to dwell in the firmament with Obatala. Without his assistance, mankind couldn't interpret the desires of the gods, and one god, Olokun, in a fit of rage, destroyed nearly everybody in a great flood. [Kelsen, p. 135]

Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
A charitable man gave away everything he had to the animals. His family deserted him, but when he gave his last meal to the (unrecognized) god Ouende, Ouende rewarded him with three handfuls of flour which renewed itself and produced even greater riches. Then Ouende advised him to leave the area, and sent six months of rain to destroy his selfish neighbors. The descendants of the rich man became the present human race. [Kelsen, pp. 135-136]

Vogul
After seven years of drought, the Great Woman said to the Great Man that rains had come elsewhere; how should they save themselves. The Great Man counseled the other giants to make boats from cut poplars, anchor them with ropes of willow roots 500 fathoms long, and provide them with seven days of food and with pots of melted butter to grease the ropes. Those who did not make all the preparations perished when the waters came. After seven days, the waters sank. But all plants and animals had perished, even the fish. The survivors, on the brink of starvation, prayed to the great god Numi-târom, who recreated living things. [Gaster, pp. 93-94]

Samoyed (north Siberia)
Seven people were saved in a boat from a flood. A terrible draught followed the flood, but the people were saved by digging a deep hole in which water formed. However, all but one young man and woman died of hunger. These two saved themselves by eating the mice which came out of the ground. The human race is descended from this couple. [Holmberg, pp. 367-368]

Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia)
Flood waters rose for seven days. Some people and animals were saved by climbing on floating logs and rafters. A strong north wind blew for seven days and scattered the people, which is why there are now different peoples speaking different languages. [Holmberg, p. 367]

Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
A flood covered the whole land in the early days of the world. A few people saved themselves on rafts made from bound-together tree trunks. They carried their property and provisions and used stones tied to straps as anchors to prevent being swept out to sea. They were left stranded on mountains when the waters receded. [Holmberg, p. 368; Gaster, p. 100]

Altaic (central Asia)
Tengys (Sea) was once lord over the earth. Nama, a good man, lived during his rule with three sons, Sozun-uul, Sar-uul, and Balyks. Ülgen commanded Nama to build an ark (kerep), but Nama's sight was failing, so he left the building to his sons. The ark was built on a mountain, and from it were hung eight 80-fathom cables with which to gauge water depth. Nama entered the ark with his family and the various animals and birds which had been driven there by the rising waters. Seven days later, the cables gave way from the earth, showing that the flood had risen 80 fathoms. Seven days later, Nama told his eldest son to open the window and look around, and the son saw only the summits of mountains. His father ordered him to look again later, and he saw only water and sky. At last the ark stopped in a group of eight mountains. On successive days, Nama released a raven, a crow, and a rook, none of which returned. On the fourth day, he sent out a dove, which returned with a birch twig and told why the other birds hadn't returned; they had found carcasses of a deer, dog, and horse respectively, and had stayed to feed on them. In anger, Nama cursed them to behave thus to the end of the world. When Nama became very old, his wife exhorted him to kill all the men and animals he had saved so that they, transferred to the other world, would be under his power. Nama didn't know what to do. Sozun-uul, who didn't dare to oppose his mother openly, told his father a story about seeing a blue-black cow devouring a human so only the legs were visible. Nama understood the fable and cleft his wife in two with his sword. Finally, Nama went to heaven, taking with him Sozun-uul and changing him into a constellation of five stars. [Holmberg, pp. 364-365]

Tuvinian (Soyot) (north of Mongolia)
The giant frog (or turtle) which supported the earth moved, which caused the cosmic ocean to begin flooding the earth. An old man who had guessed something like this would happen built an iron-reinforced raft, boarded it with his family, and was saved. When the waters receded, the raft was left on a high wooded mountain, where, it is said, it remains today. After the flood, Kezer-Tshingis-Kaira-Khan created everything around us. Among other things, he taught people how to make strong liquor. [Holmberg, p. 366]

Mongolia
Hailibu, a kind and generous hunter, saved a white snake from a crane which attacked it. Next day, he met the same snake with a retinue of other snakes. The snake told him that she was the Dragon King's daughter, and the Dragon King wished to reward him. She advised Hailibu to ask for the precious stone that the Dragon King keeps in his mouth. With that stone, she told him, he could understand the language of animals, but he would turn to stone if he ever divulged its secret to anyone else. Hailibu went to the Dragon King, turned down his many other treasures, and was given the stone. Years later, Hailibu heard some birds saying that the next day the mountains would erupt and flood the land. He went back home to warn his neighbors, but they didn't believe him. To convince them, he told them how he had learned of the coming flood and told them the full story of the precious stone. When he finished his story, he turned to stone. The villagers, seeing this happen, fled. It rained all the next night, and the mountains erupted, belching forth a great flood of water. When the people returned, they found the stone which Hailibu had turned into and placed it at the top of the mountain. For generations, they have offered sacrifices to the stone in honor of Hailibu's sacrifice. [Elder & Wong, pp. 75-77]

Buryat (eastern Siberia)
The god Burkhan advised a man to build a great ship, and the man worked on it in the forest for many long days, keeping his intention secret from his wife by telling her he was chopping wood. The devil, Shitkur, told the wife that her husband was building a boat and that it would be ready soon. He further told her to refuse to board and, when her husband strikes her in anger, to say, "Why do you strike me, Shitkur?" Because the woman followed this advise, the devil was able to accompany her when she boarded the boat. With the help of Burkhan, the man gathered specimens of all animals except Argalan-Zan, the Prince of animals (some say it was a mammoth), which considered itself too large to drown. The flood destroyed all animals left on earth, including the Prince of animals, whose bones can still be found. Once on the boat, the devil changed himself into a mouse and began gnawing holes in the hull, until Burkhan created a cat to catch it. [Holmberg, pp. 361-362]

Sagaiye (eastern Siberia)
God told Noj to build a ship. The devil tempted his wife to find out what he was building in the forest. When the devil found out, he destroyed by night what Noj built by day, so the boat was not completed when the flood came. God was forced to send down an iron vessel in which Noj, his wife and family, and all kinds of animals were saved. [Holmberg, p. 362]

Hindu
"Manu, the first human, found a small fish in his washwater. The fish begged protection from the larger fishes, in return for which it would save Manu. Manu kept the fish safe, transferring it to larger and larger reservoirs as it grew, eventually taking it to the ocean. The fish warned Manu of a coming deluge and told him to build a ship. When the flood rose, the fish came, and Manu tied the craft to its horn. The fish led him to a northern mountain and told Manu to tie the ship's rope to a tree to prevent it from drifting. Manu, alone of all creatures, survived. He made offerings of clarified butter, sour milk, whey, and curds. From these, a woman arose, calling herself Manu's daughter. Whatever blessings he invoked through her were granted him. Through her, he generated this race. [Gaster, pp. 94-95; Kelsen, p. 128; Brinton, pp. 227-228]
The great sage Manu, son of Vivasvat, practiced austere fervor. He stood on one leg with upraised arm, looking down unblinkingly, for 10,000 years. While so engaged on the banks of the Chirini, a fish came to him and asked to be saved from larger fish. Manu took the fish to a jar and, as the fish grew, from thence to a large pond, then to the river Ganga, then to the ocean. Though large, the fish was pleasant and easy to carry. Upon being released into the ocean, the fish told Manu that soon all terrestrial objects would be dissolved in the time of the purification. It told him to build a strong ship with a cable attached and to embark with the seven sages (rishis) and certain seeds, and to then watch for the fish, since the waters could not be crossed without it. Manu embarked as enjoined and thought on the fish. The fish, knowing his desire, came, and Manu fastened the ship's cable to its horn. The fish dragged the ship through roiling waters for many years, at last bringing it to the highest peak of Himavat, which is still known as Naubandhana (""the Binding of the Ship""). The fish then revealed itself as Parjapati Brahma and said Manu shall create all living things and all things moving and fixed. Manu performed a great act of austere fervor to clear his uncertainty and then began calling things into existence. [Frazer, pp. 185-187]
The heroic king Manu, son of the Sun, practiced austere fervor in Malaya and attained transcendent union with the Deity. After a million years, Brahma bestowed on Manu a boon and asked him to choose it. Manu asked for the power to preserve all existing things upon the dissolution of the universe. Later, while offering oblations in his hermitage, a carp fell in his hands, which Manu preserved. The fish grew and cried to Manu to preserve it, and Manu moved it to progressively larger vessels, eventually moving it to the river Ganga and then to the ocean. When it filled the ocean, Manu recognized it as the god Janardana, or Brahma. It told Manu that the end of the yuga was approaching, and soon all would be covered with water. He was to preserve all creatures and plants aboard a ship which had been prepared. It said that a hundred years of drought and famine would begin this day, which would be followed by fires from the sun and from underground that would consume the earth and the ether, destroying this world, the gods, and the planets. Seven clouds from the steam of the fire will inundate the earth, and the three worlds will be reduced to one ocean. Manu's ship alone will remain, fastened by a rope to the great fish's horn. Having announced all this, the great being vanished. The deluge occurred as stated; Janardana appeared in the form of a horned fish, and the serpent Ananta came in the form of a rope. Manu, by contemplation, drew all creatures towards him and stowed them in the ship and, after making obeisance to Janardana, attached the ship to the fish's horn with the serpent-rope. [Frazer, pp. 188-190]
At the end of the past kalpa, the demon Hayagriva stole the sacred books from Brahma, and the whole human race became corrupt except the seven Nishis, and especially Satyavrata, the prince of a maritime region. One day when he was bathing in a river, he was visited by a fish which craved protection and which he transferred to successively larger vessels as it grew. At last Satyavrata recognized it as the god Vishnu, ""The Lord of the Universe."" Vishnu told him that in seven days all the corrupt creatures will be destroyed by a deluge, but Satyavrata would be saved in a large vessel. He was told to take aboard the miraculous vessel all kinds of medicinal herbs, food esculant grains, the seven Nishis and their wives, and pairs of brute animals. After seven days, the oceans began to overflow the coasts and constant rain began flooding the earth. A large vessel floated in on the rising waters, and Satyavrata and the Nishis entered with their wives and cargo. During the deluge, Vishnu preserved the ark by again taking the form of a giant fish and tying the ark to himself with a huge sea serpent. When the waters subsided, he slew the demon who had stolen the holy books and communicated their contents to Satyavrata. [H. Miller, pp. 289-290; Howey, pp. 389-390; Frazer, pp. 191-193]
One windy day, the sea flooded the port city of Dwaravati. All its occupants perished except Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu, and his brother Balarama, who were walking in the forests of Raivataka Hill. Krishna left his brother alone. Sesha, the serpent who supports the world, withdrew his energy from Balarama; in a jet of light, Balarama's spirit entered the sea, and his body fell over. Krishna decided that tomorrow he would destroy the world for all its evils, and he went to sleep. Jara the hunter passed by, mistook Krishna's foot for the face of a stag, and shot it. The wound to Krishna's foot was slight, but Jara found Krishna dead. He had saffron robes, four arms, and a jewel on his breast. The waters still rose and soon lapped at Jara's feet. Jara felt ashamed but helpless; he left deciding never to speak of the incident. [Buck, pp. 408-409]"

Bhil (central India)
Out of gratitude for the dhobi feeding it, a fish told a dhobi (a pious man) that a great deluge was coming. The man prepared a large box in which he embarked with his sister and a cock. After the flood, a messenger of Rama sent to find the state of affairs discovered the box by the cock's crowing. Rama had the box brought to him and questioned the man. Facing north, east, and west, the man swore that the woman was his sister; facing south, the man said she was his wife. Told that the fish gave the warning, Rama had the fish's tongue removed, and fish have been tongueless since. Rama ordered the man to repopulate the world, so he married his sister, and they had seven daughters and seven sons. The firstborn received a horse as a gift from Rama, but, being unable to ride, he instead went into the forest to cut wood, and so his descendants have been woodcutters to this day. [Gaster, pp. 95-96]

Kamar (Raipur District, Central India)
A boy and girl were born to the first man and woman. God sent a deluge to destroy a jackal which had angered him. The man and woman heard it coming, so they shut their children in a hollow piece of wood with provisions to last until the flood subsides. The deluge came, and everything on earth was drowned. After twelve years, God created two birds and sent them to see if the jackal had been drowned. They saw nothing but a floating log and, landing on it, heard the children inside, who were saying to each other that they had only three days of provisions left. The birds told God, who caused the flood to subside, took the children from the log, and heard their story. In due time they were married. God gave each of their children the name of a different caste, and all people are descended from them. [Gaster, p. 96]

Assam (northeastern India)
A flood once covered the whole world and drowned everyone except for one couple, who climbed up a tree on the highest peak of the Leng hill. In the morning, they discovered that they had been changed into a tiger and tigress. Seeing the sad state of the world, Pathian, the creator, sent a man and a woman from a cave on the hill. But as they emerged from the cave, they were terrified by the sight of the tigers. They prayed to the Creator for strength and killed the beasts. After that, they lived happily and repopulated the world. [Gaster, p. 97]

Tamil (southern India)
Half of the land mass Kumari Kandam, which was south of India, sank in a great flood, destroying the first Tamil Sangam (literary academy). The people moved to the other half and established the second Tamil Sangam there, but the rest of Kumari too sank beneath the sea. The lone survivor was a Tamil prince named Thirumaaran, who managed to rescue some Tamil literary classics and swim with them to present-day Tamil Nadu. [Sundar Narayan, personal communication, citing Appadurai; see also Adigal, p. 70 (11:20-21)]

Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China, and neighboring areas)
After death came into the world as a result of a macaque's curse, sky and earth longed for human souls and bones. That is how the flood began. An orphaned brother and sister lived in squalor in a village. A pair of golden birds flew down to them one day, warned them that a huge wave would flood the earth, and told them to take shelter in a gourd and not to come out until they heard the birds again. The two children warned their neighbors, but the people didn't believe them. The children sawed off the top of a gourd and went inside. For ninety-nine days, there was no wind or rain, and the earth became parched. Then torrents of rain fell, and the resulting flood washed everything away. The brother and sister occasionally could hear the gourd bump against the bottom of heaven. After long waiting, they heard the birds calling, left the gourd, and found they had landed atop a mountain, and the flood had receded. But now there were nine suns and seven moons in the sky, and they scorched the earth during the day. The two golden birds returned with a golden hammer and silver tongs and instructed the children how to use them to get the dragon king's bow and arrows. Brother and sister went to the dragon pond and struck the reef-home of the dragon king with the hammer. This raised such a racket that the dragon king sent his servants (various fish) to investigate. The children grabbed the fish with the tongs and threw them on the bank. At last, the dragon king himself came to investigate and had to give his bow and arrows when he was likewise caught. With these, brother and sister shot down all but the brightest sun and moon. Brother and sister then went in search of other people, exploring north and south respectively. They found nobody else, and the golden birds appeared again and urged them to marry. They refused, but the birds told them it was the will of heaven. After divinations in the form of several improbable events (tortoise shells landing a certain way, a broken millstone came together, and the brother shooting an arrow through a needle's eye--all happening three times), they consented. They had six sons and six daughters which traveled different directions and became the ancestors of different races. [L. Miller, pp. 78-84]

Lolo (southwestern China)
In primeval times, men were wicked. The patriarch Tse-gu-dzih sent a messenger down to earth, asking for some flesh and blood from a mortal. Only one man, Du-mu, complied. In wrath, Tse-gu-dzih locked the rain-gates, and the waters mounted to the sky. Du-mu was saved in a log hollowed out of a Pieris tree, together with his four sons and otters, wild ducks, and lampreys. The civilized peoples who can write are descended from the sons; the ignorant races are descendants of wooden figures whom Du-mu constructed after the deluge. [Gaster, pp. 99-100]

Jino (southern Yunnan, China, near Mekong R.)
From the time of creation, people's lives were happy and peaceful, but one year a great flood came. The parents of Mahei and Maniu, twin brother and sister, felled a big tree, hollowed it out, and covered both ends with cowhide. They attached brass bells to the outside, and inside they put grain and seed, the two children, and a knife and cake of beeswax. They instructed the children not to come out until the flood had gone down. The flood came, and the children floated for an undeterminable period. Mahei got impatient and cut a small hole with the knife. He saw muddy waves surging and dead bodies everywhere, and he closed the hole with wax. Later, Maniu cut a hole and saw nothing but water; she likewise filled the hole. Finally, they heard the bells ringing, indicating they had touched ground, and they left the drum. They were the only survivors. When they got old, they realized that there would be no people left if they died. Mahei suggested marriage, but his sister was ashamed to marry her brother. Mahei suggested she consult the magic tree. Maniu went there, but Mahei took a shortcut and hid behind the tree. Disguising his voice, he answered Maniu that she should marry her brother. They did so, but by then they were too old to have children. The sole gourd seed they had carried in the wooden drum had grown profusely, and although most of the fruits dried and rotted, one stayed ripe. They had hung it in their shed. One day, they heard faint voices coming from the gourd. They heated their fire tongs red hot to burn a hole in the gourd, but each time they tried, a voice said "Don't burn me!" Finally, one voice, calling herself Grandma Apierer, said to burn her or none could get out. They burnt a hole in the navel on the gourd's bottom. First out was Apo, ancestor of the Konge people; his skin was darkened by the soot around the hole. The next out, in order, were Han, Dai, and last of all Jino (which literally means "last squeeze"); they became ancestors of their people. Since then, rice offerings have been made to Apierer, who gave her life so that the Jino might live. [L. Miller, pp. 68-73]

Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
When the deluge came, Pawpaw Nan-chaung and his sister Chang-hko saved themselves in a large boat. They took with them nine cocks and nine needles. When the storm and rain had passed, they each day threw out one cock and one needle to see whether the waters were falling. On the ninth day, they finally heard the cock crow and the needle strike bottom. They left their boat, wandered about, and came to a cave home of two nats or elves. The elves bade them stay and make themselves useful, which they did. Soon the sister gave birth, and the old elfin woman minded the baby while its parents were away at work. The old woman, who was a witch, disliked the infant's squalling, and one day took it to a place where nine roads met, cut it to pieces, and scattered its blood and body about. She carried some of the tidbits back to the cave, made it into a curry, and tricked the mother into eating it. When the mother learned this, she fled to the crossroads and cried to the Great Spirit to return her child and avenge its death. The Great Spirit told her he couldn't restore her baby, but he would make her mother of all nations of men. Then, from each road, people of different nations sprang up from the fragments of the murdered babe. [Gaster, pp. 97-98]

China
The Supreme Sovereign ordered the water god Gong Gong to create a flood as punishment and warning for human misbehavior. Gong Gong extended the flood for 22 years, and people had to live in high mountain caves and in trees, fighting with wild animals for scarce resources. Unable to persuade the Supreme Sovereign to stop the flood, and told by an owl and a turkey about _Xirang_ or Growing Soil, the supernatural hero Gun stole Growing Soil from heaven to dam the waters. Before Gun was finished, however, the Supreme Sovereign sent the fire god Zhu Rong to execute him for his theft. The Growing Soil was taken back to heaven, and the floods continued. However, Gun's body didn't decay, and when it was cut apart three years later, his son Yu emerged in the form of a horned dragon. Gun's body also transformed into a dragon at that time and thenceforth lived quietly in the deeps. The Supreme Sovereign was fearful of Yu's power, so he cooperated and gave Yu the Growing Soil and the use of the dragon Ying. Yu led other gods to drive away Gong Gong, distributed the Growing Soil to remove most of the flood, and led the people to fashion rivers from Ying's tracks and thus channel the remaining floodwaters to the sea. [Walls, pp. 94-100]

Munda (north-central India)
Sing Bonga created man from the dust of the ground, but they soon grew wicked and lazy, would not wash, and spent all their time dancing and singing. Sing Bonga regretted creating them and resolved to destroy them by flood. He sent a stream of fire-water (Sengle-Daa) from heaven, and all people died save a brother and sister who had hidden beneath a tiril tree (hence tiril wood is black and charred today). God thought better of his deed and created the snake Lurbing to stop the fiery rain. This snake held up the showers by puffing up its soul into the shape of a rainbow. Now Mundas associate the rainbow with Lurbing destroying the rain. [Frazer, p. 196]

Australian
The dream-time, a terrible drought swept across the land. The leaves of the trees turned brown and fell from the branches, the flowers drooped their heads and died, and the green grass withered as though the spirit from the barren mountain had breathed upon it with a breath of fire. When the hot wind blew, the dead reeds rattled in the river bed, and the burning sands shimmered like a silver lagoon.
All the water had left the rippling creeks, and deep, still water holes. In the clear blue sky the sun was a mass of molten gold; the clouds no longer drifted across the hills, and the only darkness that fell across the land was the shadow of night and death.
After many had died of thirst, all the animals in the land met together in a great council to discover the cause of the drought. They travelled many miles. Some came from the bush, and others from the distant mountains.
The sea-birds left their homes in the cliffs where the white surf thundered, and flew without resting many days and nights. When they all arrived at the chosen meeting place in Central Australia, they discovered that a frog of enormous size had swallowed all the water in the land, and thus caused the drought. After much serious discussion, it was decided that the only way to obtain the water again was to make the frog laugh. The question now arose as to which animal should begin the performance, and, after a heated argument, the pride of place was given to the Kookaburra.
The animals then formed themselves into a huge circle with the frog in the centre. Red kangaroos, grey wallaroos, rock and swamp wallabies, kangaroo rats, bandicoots, native bears and ring-tailed possums all sat together. The emu and the native companion forgot their quarrel and the bell bird his chimes. Even a butcher bird looked pleasantly at a brown snake, and the porcupine forgot to bristle. A truce had been called in the war of the bush.
Now, the Kookaburra, seated himself on the limb of a tree, and, with a wicked twinkle in his eye, looked straight at the big, bloated frog, ruffled his brown feathers, and began to laugh. At first, he made a low gurgling sound deep in his throat, as though he was smiling to himself, but gradually he raised his voice and laughed louder and louder until the bush re-echoed with the sound of his merriment. The other animals looked on with very serious faces, but the frog gave no sign. He just blinked his eyes and looked as stupid as only a frog can look.
The Kookaburra continued to laugh until he nearly choked and fell off the tree, but all without success. The next competitor was a frill-lizard. It extended the frill around its throat, and, puffing out its jaws, capered up and down. But there was no humor in the frog; he did not even look at the lizard, and laughter was out of the question. It was then suggested that the dancing of the native companion might tickle the fancy of the frog. So the native companion danced until she was tired, but all her graceful and grotesque figures failed to arouse the interest of the frog.
The position was very serious, and the council of animals was at its wits' end for a reasonable suggestion. In their anxiety to solve the difficulty, they all spoke at once, and the din was indescribable. Above the noise could be heard a frantic cry of distress. A carpet snake was endeavoring to swallow a porcupine. The bristles had stuck in his throat, and a kookaburra, who had a firm grip of his tail, was making an effort to fly away with him.
Close by, two bandicoots were fighting over the possession of a sweet root, but, while they were busily engaged in scratching each other, a possum stole it. They then forgot their quarrel and chased the possum, who escaped danger by climbing a tree and swinging from a branch by his tail. In this peculiar position he ate the root at his leisure, much to the disgust of the bandicoots below.
After peace and quiet had been restored, the question of the drought was again considered. A big eel, who lived in a deep water hole in the river, suggested that he should be given an opportunity of making the frog laugh. Many of the animals laughed at the idea, but, in despair, they agreed to give him a trial. The eel then began to wriggle in front of the frog. At first he wriggled slowly, then faster and faster until his head and tail met. Then he slowed down and wriggled like a snake with the shivers. After a few minutes, he changed his position, and flopped about like a well-bitten grub on an ant bed.
The frog opened his sleepy eyes, his big body quivered, his face relaxed, and, at last, he burst into a laugh that sounded like rolling thunder. The water poured from his mouth in a flood. It filled the deepest rivers and covered the land. Only the highest mountain peaks were visible, like islands in the sea. Many men and animals were drowned.
The pelican-who was a blackfellow at this time -sailed from island to island in a great canoe and rescued any blackfellow he saw. At last he came to an island on which there were many people. In their midst he saw a beautiful woman, and f ell in love with her. He rescued all the men on this island until the woman alone remained. Every time he made a journey she would ask him to take her with the men, but he would reply: "There are many in the canoe. I will carry you next time." He did this several times, and at last the woman guessed that he was going to take her to his camp. She then determined to escape from the pelican. While he was away, she wrapped a log in her possum rug, and placed it near the gunyah; then, as the flood was subsiding, she escaped to the bush. When he returned, he called to her, but, receiving no answer, he walked over to the possum rug and touched it with his foot. It, however, did not move. He then tore the rug away from what he supposed was a woman, but, when he found a log, he was very angry, and resolved to be revenged. He painted himself with white clay, and set out to look for the other blackfellows, with the intention of killing them. But the first pelican he met was so frightened by his strange appearance, that it struck him with a club and killed him. Since that time pelicans have been black and white in remembrance of the Great Flood.
The flood gradually subsided, and the land was again clothed in the green garments of spring. Through the tall green reeds the voice of the night wind whispered soft music to the river. And, when the dawn came from the eastern sky, the birds sang a song of welcome to the new flood-a flood of golden sunlight.



Maori (New Zealand)
"Long ago, there were a great many different tribes, and they quarrelled and made war on each other. The worship of Tane, the creator, was being neglected and his doctrines denied. Two prophets, Para-whenua-mea and Tupu-nui-a-uta, taught the true doctrine about the separation of heaven and earth, but others just mocked them, and they became angry. So they built a large raft at the source of the Tohinga River, built a house on it, and provisioned it with fern-root, sweet potatoes, and dogs. Then they prayed for abundant rain to convince men of the power of Tane. Two men named Tiu and Reti, a woman named Wai-puna-hau, and other women also boarded the raft. Tiu was the priest on the raft, and he recited the prayers and incantations for rain. It rained hard for four or five days, until Tiu prayed for the rain to stop. But though the rain stopped, the waters still rose and bore the raft down the Tohinga river and onto the sea. In the eighth month, the waters began to thin; Tiu knew this by the signs of his staff. At last they landed at Hawaiki. The earth had been much changed by the flood, and the people on the raft were the only survivors. They worshipped Tane, Rangi (Heaven), Rehua, and all the gods, each at a separate alter. After making fire by friction, they made thanks-offerings of seaweed for their rescue. Today, only the chief priest may go to those holy spots. [Gaster, pp. 110-112; Kelsen, p. 133]
Two brothers-in-law of the hero Tawhaki attacked him and left him for dead. He recovered, and retired with his own warriors and their families to a high mountain, where he built a fortified village. Then he called to the gods, his ancestors, for revenge. The floods of heaven descended and killed everyone on earth. This event was called ""The overwhelming of the Mataaho."" [Gaster, p. 112]
In another version of the story, Tawhaki, a man, put on a garment of lightning and was worshipped as a god. Once, in a fit of anger, he stamped on the floor of heaven, breaking it and releasing the celestial waters which flooded the earth. [Gaster, p. 112]
In another version, the flood was caused by the copious weeping of Tawhaki's mother. [Gaster, p. 112]"

Hawaii
Nuu was of the thirteenth generation from the first man. The gods commanded Nuu to build an ark and carry on it his wife, three sons, and males and females of all breathing things. Waters came and covered the earth. They subsided to leave the ark on a mountain overlooking a beautiful valley. The gods entered the ark and told Nuu to go forth with all the life it carried. In gratitude for his deliverance, Nuu offered a sacrifice of pig, coconuts, and awa to the moon, which he thought was the god Kane. Kane descended on a rainbow to reproach Nuu for his mistake but left the rainbow as a perpetual sign of his forgiveness. [Kalakaua, p. 37; Barrère, pp. 21-22]

Eskimo
In the first days, the water from the sea came up and flooded all the earth except for a very high mountain in the middle. A few animals escaped to this mountain, and a few people survived in a boat, subsisting on fish. The people landed on the mountain as the water subsided and followed the retreating water to the coast. The animals also descended. [Gaster, p. 120]

Hareskin (Alaska)
Kunyan ("Wise Man"), foreseeing the possibility of a flood, built a great raft, joining the logs with ropes made from roots. He told other people, but they laughed at him and said they'd climb trees in the event of a flood. Then came a great flood, with water gushing from all sides, rising higher than the trees and drowning all people but the Wise Man and his family on his raft. As he floated, he gathered pairs of all animals and birds he met with. The earth disappeared under the waters, and for a long time no one thought to look for it. Then the musk-rat dived into the water looking for the bottom, but he couldn't find it. He dived a second time and smelled the earth but didn't reach it. Next beaver dived. He reappeared unconscious but holding a little mud. The Wise Man placed the mud on the water and breathed on it, making it grow. He continued breathing on it, making it larger and larger. He put a fox on the island, but it ran around the island in just a day. Six times the fox ran around the island; by the seventh time, the land was as large as it was before the flood, and the animals disembarked, followed by Wise Man with his wife (who was also his sister) and son. They repeopled the land. But the flood waters were still too high, and to lower them, the bittern swallowed them all. Now there was too little water. Plover, pretending sympathy at the bittern's swollen stomach, passed his hand over it, but suddenly scratched it. The waters flowed out into the rivers and lakes. [Gaster, pp. 117-118]

Tinneh (Alaska and south)
The deluge was caused by a heavy snowfall one September. One man foresaw the flood and warned his fellows, but in vain; the flood covered their intended mountain escape. The one man survived in a canoe he had built, and he rescued animals from the waters as he sailed about. In time, he sent the beaver, otter, muskrat, and arctic duck to dive into the water in search of earth, but only the duck succeeded, bringing some slime on its claws. The man spread the slime on the water and breathed on it to make it grow. For six days he embarked animals upon the new island; then the land was large enough for he himself to go ashore. [Gaster, p. 118]

Northern Miwok (central California)
Water covered the world except for the top of the highest mountain. People escaped to there, but they were starving. The water went down, leaving the ground a soft mud. The people rolled down rocks to see if the mud was hard enough to support them. When the rocks stayed on top of the mud, the people went down. But the mud was not hard enough, and the people sank out of sight. Ravens came and stood at the holes where the people had gone down, one Raven at each hole. When the ground hardened, the ravens turned into people. That is why the Miwok are so dark. [Merriam, p. 101]

Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California)
Oye, Coyote-man, and Wekwek, Falcon-man, quarreled. Oye took all the people with him across the ocean and made rain to cover the world with water. Wekwek flew and flew but could find no place to rest. The water covered everything. Finally he fell in the water. He was floating nearly dead when his wing caught on a stick. The stick was from the roundhouse of Peleet the Grebe, who investigated and found Wekwek. He pulled Wekwek into his roundhouse and saved him. Oye let the water down and brought the people back. [Merriam, p. 157]

Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California)
A fight between the great forces of Good and Evil was followed by an immense flood. It wiped out all traces of the previous world and covered all the earth except two islands. Coyote, the only living thing in the world, stood on one of the islands (Mount Diablo or Pico Blanco). One day, he saw a feather floating on the water. It turned into Eagle as it reached the island. Later, they were joined by Hummingbird. This trio created a new race of people. Eagle told Coyote how to find a wife but did not tell him how to make children. Coyote told the girl to louse him and to swallow the woodtick she found. She became pregnant from this. Afraid, she ran away to the ocean and turned into a sand flea. Coyote found another wife and with her went out over the world, founding five tribes with five different languages. [Margolin 1978, pp. 134-135]

Cree (Canada)
A man survived the deluge in his canoe. He sent forth a raven, but it did not return, and in punishment it was changed from white to black. He next sent out a wood pigeon; it returned with mud in its claws, by which the man inferred that the earth had dried, so he landed. [Frazer, p. 297]

Chippewa
In the beginning of time, in September, there was a great snow. A mouse nibbled a hole in the leather bag which contained the sun's heat, and the heat escaped and melted all the snow in an instant. The waters rose to cover even the highest mountains. One old man had foreseen the flood and warned everybody, but the others had thought to escape to the hills; they drowned in the flood. The old man had prepared a canoe and survived, rescuing animals he came across. After a while he sent, in turn, the beaver, otter, muskrat, and duck to find land. Only the duck returned, with some mud in its bill. The old man cast the mud on the water and blew on it, making solid land. [Vitaliano, p. 170]

Cheyenne
The Great Spirit created three kinds of men: red men, white men with hairy heads, and hairy men with hair all over their body. The hairy men went to the barren south and eventually dwindled in numbers and disappeared. The red men went south after the Great Spirit taught them culture. They went north again when the Great Medicine told them the south would be flooded. In the north, they found that the white men had gone and they could no longer talk to the animals, though they could still control them. Later, they went south again, but another flood came and scattered them, and they never came together again. They traveled in small bands to the north, but they found it barren, so they returned south and lived the best they could. One particularly hard winter had earthquakes, volcanoes, and floods which destroyed all the trees. The people spent the long winter in caves and were almost famished the following spring. The Great Medicine, in pity, gave them corn and buffalo. Since then, there have been no more famines or floods. [Erdoes & Ortiz, pp. 112-113]

Montagnais
Being angry with giants, God commanded a man to build a large canoe. The man did so, and when he embarked, the water rose till no land was visible anywhere. Weary of seeing nothing but water, the man threw an otter into it. The otter dived and brought up a little mud, which the man breathed on and caused to expand. He placed the earth on the water and prevented it from sinking. After awhile, he placed reindeer on the new island, but they completed a circuit of the island quickly, so he concluded it wasn't yet large enough. He continued to blow on it and grow it so the mountains, lakes, and rivers were formed; then he disembarked. [Gaster, p. 117]

Algonquin
Long ago, when men had become evil, the Strong Serpent Maskanako came. He was the foe of people, and they became embroiled, hating and fighting each other. The small men (Mattapewi) fought with Nihanlowit, keeper of the dead. The Strong Serpent resolved to destroy all men, and the Black Serpent brought the snake-water rushing, spreading everywhere, destroying everything. Then the waters ran off, and the great evil went away by the path of the cave. [Kelsen, pp. 146-147]

Lenape (=Delaware) (Delaware to New York)
A deluge covered the whole earth. A few people survived on the back of a turtle which was so old its shell was mossy. A loon flew by, and the people begged it to dive and bring up some land. The bird dived but could not reach the bottom. Then he flew far away, came back with some earth in his bill, and led the turtle back to some dry land. There the people settled and repopulated the country. Those saved by the turtle became the Turtle Clan. [Frazer, p. 295; Bierhorst, 1995, pp. 30, 43]

Lakota
In the world before this one, the people didn't know how to behave or how to act human, and the creating power was displeased. He placed three dry buffalo chips under a sacred pipe rack and saved a fourth for lighting the pipe. He sang three songs to bring rain, which caused the rivers to overflow; then he sang a fourth song and stamped on the earth. The earth split open, and water flowed from the cracks and covered everything. The Creating Power floated on the sacred pipe and his huge pipe bag. All people and animals were destroyed except Kangi, the crow. It was very tired and three times asked the Creating Power to make a place for it to rest. The Creating Power opened his pipe bag, which contained all manner of animals and birds, and selected four known for their diving abilities. He sang a song and commanded the loon to dive and bring up mud, but the loon failed. Likewise, the water was too deep for otter and beaver. But the turtle succeeded in bringing up a little mud. The Creating Power took the mud and, singing, spread it out on the water. After the fourth song, there was enough land for himself and the crow. He waved two long eagle feathers over the ground, and it spread until it replaced the water. He named it the Turtle Continent. The Creating Power thought, "Land without water is not good," and wept for the earth and the creatures he would put upon it. His tears became oceans, streams, and lakes. He scattered the animals across the land; they came to life when he stamped on the ground. He created four colors of people from red, white, black, and yellow earth. He created the rainbow as a sign that there would be no more great flood, but warned that he had destroyed the first world by fire because it was bad, and the second world by flood, and he would destroy this world too if people make it bad and ugly. [Erdoes & Ortiz, pp. 496-499]

Choctaw (Mississippi)
A prophet was sent by the high god to warn of a coming flood, but nobody took notice. When the flood came, the prophet took to a raft. After several months, he saw a black bird. He signaled it, but it just cawed and flew away. Later, he sighted and signaled a bluish bird. The bird flapped, moaned dolorously, and guided the raft towards where the sun was breaking through. Next morning, he landed on an island with all kinds of animals. He cursed the black bird (a crow) and blessed the bluish one (a dove). [Gaster, p. 116]

Navajo
The first world, where Navajos originated, was inhabited by Insect People of twelve types. For their sins of adultery and constant quarreling, the gods expelled them by sending a wall of water from all directions. The Insect People flew up into the second world, guided through a hole in the sky by a cliff swallow. The second world was a barren world inhabited by Swallow People. They decided to stay anyway, but after 24 days, one of the Insect People made love to the wife of the Swallow People's chief. They were expelled to the third world; the white face of the wind told them of an opening. The third world was a barren world of Grasshopper People. Again, the Insect People were expelled for philandering after 24 days. The red face of the wind guided them to the hole to the fourth world. This world was inhabited by animals and Pueblos, with whom the Insect People coexisted peacefully. The gods made people in human form from ears of corn, different colors of corn becoming different tribes. The Insect People intermarried with them, and their descendants eventually looked fully human. In time, the men and women argued and decided to live apart. But both groups engaged in unnatural sex acts, and eventually the women were starving, so they got back together. The gods were displeased by their sins, though, and sent a wall of water upon them. The people noticed animals running and sent cicadas to investigate. They escaped the floodwaters by climbing into a fast-growing reed. Cicada dug an entrance into the fifth world, which was inhabited by grebes. The grebes said that people could have that world if they could survive plunging arrows into their heart. The cicadas met this challenge (they bear the scars on their sides still), and people live in the fifth world today. [Capinera, pp. 226-228]

Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Before the Apaches emerged from the underworld, there were other people on the earth. Dios told an old man and old woman that it would rain forty days and nights. People were warned to go to the tops of four mountains (Tsisnatcin, Tsabidzilhi, Becdilhgai, and another whose identity isn't known), and not to look at the flood or sky. The people didn't believe the old couple. When the rains came, only a few people made it to the mountain tops and shut their eyes. Those who looked at the flood turned into a fish or frog (as did some who were caught in the flood); if they looked at the sky, they turned into a bird. The people sitting on the mountains were told, when they got hungry, to think of food, and Dios would feed them. After eighty days, Dios told the 24 people remaining to open their eyes and come down. These 24 people went into 24 mountains. Eight other people survived the flood who were able to travel by looking where they wanted to go, and they were there. These people told the Apaches about the flood before going into two mountains themselves. Dios told them to stay there until the world is destroyed. Around the year 2000, when the Apaches dwindle in number, the surface of the earth will again be destroyed, this time by fire. [Opler, pp. 111-113]

Hopi
The people repeatedly became distant from Sotuknang, the creator. Twice he destroyed the world (by fire and by cold) and recreated it while the few people who still lived by the laws of creation took shelter underground with the ants. When people became corrupt and warlike a third time, Sotuknang guided the ones who had retained their wisdom to Spider Woman, who cut down giant reeds and sheltered the people in the hollow stems with a little water and food. Sotuknang caused a great flood with rain and waves, and the people floated in their reeds for a long time. Finally, they came to rest on a small piece of land, and Spider Woman unsealed their reeds and pulled them out by the tops of their heads. They still had as much food as they started with. They sent out birds to find more land, but to no avail. They grew a tall reed and climbed it, but they saw only water. But guided by their inner wisdom (which comes from Sotuknang through the door at the top of their head), the people traveled on, using the reeds as canoes. They went northeast, finding progressively larger islands. The last of these was large and fruitful, and people wanted to stay there, but Spider Woman urged them on. They went further northeast, paddling hard as if going uphill, until they came to the Fourth World. The shores were rocky with seemingly no place to land, but by opening the doors at the tops of their head, they found a current that took them to a sandy beach. Sotuknang appeared and told them to look back, and they saw the islands, the last remnants of the Third World, sink into the ocean. [Waters, pp. 12-20]

Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico)
On the 17th day of February, in the year 614, it rained for fourteen days all over the world. The waters rose and destroyed all living things. Yaitowi, a just and perfect man who walked with Dios, was saved, along with thirteen others and eleven women, on the hill of Parbus (today called Maatale). A few other people, seven birds, seven asses, and seven little dogs were saved on other mountains. After the flood, two angels appeared to two of the survivors, and the angel San Gabriel came, sent by Dios, telling the people to "go by the way of our Dios and Father." When they arrived at Venedici, they heard the voice of Dios, who promised the rainbow as a sign that no other flood would destroy earth. [Giddings, pp. 106-108]

Maya
The Puzob, an industrious dwarf people, were the first inhabitants of the earth. God destroyed them with a flood because of their carelessness in their observation of custom. They heard that a terrible storm was coming, so they put some stones in a pond and sat on them, but the dwarfs were all destroyed. Jesucristo sent down four angels to investigate what was happening on earth. They removed their clothes and bathed, whereupon they became doves. Some other angels were sent down; they were turned into buzzards when they ate the dead. [Horcasitas, p. 194]

Inca
Pictorial records of ancient Incan rulers show that a flood rose above the highest mountains. All created things perished, except for a man and woman who floated in a box. When the flood subsided, the floating box was driven by the wind to Tiahuanacu, about 200 miles from Cuzco, where the Creator told them to dwell. The Creator molded new people from clay at Tiahuanacu. On each figure, the Creator painted dress and hair style, and he gave each nation distinctive language, songs, and seeds to plant. When he had brought them to life, he ordered them into the earth to travel underground and emerge from caves, springs, tree trunks, etc. in their various homes. He then created the sun, moon, and stars. [Bierhorst, 1988, pp. 200,202; Gaster, p. 127; Frazer, p. 271]

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Here's a map I created based on the rough positioning of the cultures.

http://i49.tinypic.com/13z1j7a.jpg

Obviously one can see that these are mostly sea-faring peoples (central Africa being the obvious exception), and monumental floods that seemingly "end the world" could be explained by such locations. Natural disasters occurred in the ancient world, and not all of them were blamed on supernatural events.

To say that there was an "Atlantis" is an oversimplification of what I believe was a global pre-deluvian civilization, as varied and complex as our own, and that it was destroyed by either their own hand or a cataclysm of unprecedented magnitude.

I believe that the mythos of the Deluge is nothing less than the last "historical" remnants of such a super-ancient civilization, and the cataclysm was so vast and so profound that it burned itself into the consciousness of nearly every single major bronze and stone age culture we've ever discovered.

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 09:12 AM
I've come at the problem from a different angle, and I'm not sure I agree with the label "Atlantean" as a result.

My research has focused on the commonality of the mythos of the Deluge across the world, across eras, between peoples with absolutely no documented interaction. Mark Isaak so far collected 61 such instances.fixt

Flood Stories from Around the World
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html#References


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Cogburn
11-23-2009, 01:59 PM
Mark Isaak cared nothing for points of commonality and includes a shitton more flood stories than I do, as is quite obvious.

It's a subset of his research, specific to those points.

Get over yourself.

It's not like I changed it so that your superior Google skills couldn't find it, eh?

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 02:01 PM
he needed to be cited.

Cogburn
11-23-2009, 02:08 PM
No argument beyond your attempt at cuteness. I don't believe in re-inventing the wheel, nor in unattributed research.

Truth be told you've saved me from embarrassing myself when it actually mattered, as I've had that in Google docs for ages without the original source.

Correction and fine tuning is part of the process.

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 02:13 PM
It's not cuteness, it's honesty. People have been banned from university for less.

boycotteverything
11-23-2009, 04:12 PM
never confuse neediness with sensitivity. insecure thugs can take us only so far.

Cogburn
12-20-2009, 04:32 PM
35256

Herald de Paris makes “Atlantis” claims? Look again.
BY ADMIN ON DECEMBER 19, 2009
WASHINGTON, DC (Herald de Paris) - Much has been made, this past week, about the so-called Atlantis possibly having been discovered under the ocean in the Caribbean, as first reported in our publication.
Look again. Nothing the Herald de Paris has published says anyone we’ve worked with or spoken to is claiming to have found Atlantis. Quite to the contrary. In the first article, we published the quote saying specifically, “This is NOT Atlantis.”
The Atlantis spin was added by MSNBC, and then further spun by The Huffington Post. We further continued to distance “our” reporting from the Atlantis myth by publishing articles denouncing MSNBC and Huffpo’s sensationalism of our original story and their adding the Atlantis spin. In the case of the Huffington Post, the “Atlantis” spin was so distanced from the Herald de Paris’ original reporting that our breaking story was not even cited.
Neither MSNBC nor the Huffington Post received our permission to re-print our exclusive photographs, nor did either media source have our blessing, or the blessing of the researchers to add “The A-word” to the claims made.
If you choose to condemn the media for turning an earnest story about some interesting research into circus, I suggest you direct your ire at MSNBC and The Huffington Post, not the Herald de Paris.
Respectfully,
Jes Alexander, Publisher
Herald de Paris et Cie.

WASHINGTON, DC (Herald de Paris) - EXCLUSIVE - Researchers have revealed the first images from the Caribbean sea floor of what they believe are the archaeological remains of an ancient civilization. Guarding the location’s coordinates carefully, the project’s leader, who wishes to remain anonymous at this time, says the city could be thousands of years old; possibly even pre-dating the ancient Egyptian pyramids, at Giza.
The site was found using advanced satellite imagery, and is not in any way associated with the alleged site found by Russian explorers near Cuba in 2001, at a depth of 2300 feet. “To be seen on satellite, our site is much shallower.” The team is currently seeking funding to mount an expedition to confirm and explore what appears to be a vast underwater city. “You have to be careful working with satellite images in such a location,” the project’s principle researcher said, “The digital matrix sometimes misinterprets its data, and shows ruins as solid masses. The thing is, we’ve found structure - what appears to be a tall, narrow pyramid; large platform structures with small buildings on them; we’ve even found standing parallel post and beam construction in the rubble of what appears to be a fallen building. You can’t have post and beam without human involvement.”
Asked if this city is the legendary city of Atlantis, the researchers immediately said no. “The romanticized ideal of Atlantis probably never existed, nor will anyone ever strap on a SCUBA tank, jump in the water, and find a city gateway that says, ‘Welcome to Atlantis.’ However, we do believe that this city may have been one of many cities of an advanced, seafaring, trade-based civilization, which may have been visited by their Eurocentric counterparts.”
It is unknown at this time how the city came to be on the sea floor, and not on dry land. “We have several theories.”
The team hopes to conduct a massive mapping and research expedition, to learn as much as possible about who these people were, before turning the site over to the Caribbean island’s home government. “Whatever we’ve found does not belong to us,” the project’s leader said, “It belongs to the people of this island, and to the world at-large. If any pieces are brought to the surface, they belong in the hands of a museum.”
The project team asks that for more information, or to find out how to help fund their research, please contact the Herald de Paris’ publisher, Jes Alexander, at a specially set-up telephone number: 415-738-7811.

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http://www.heralddeparis.com/wp-content/gallery/caribbean/jes31-08-dec-2128.jpg


WASHINGTON, DC (Herald de Paris) - EXCLUSIVE - The explorers who yesterday announced the discovery of a previously unknown submerged city in the Caribbean have today released the first detailed images of some of the structural evidence they have uncovered. These images are very grainy, but considering they were shot from an orbiting satellite, are pretty amazing.
The first image shows a rounded structure with spider-like buttressing
The second image shows structural foundation/wall ruins, a clear room layout, and right angles
The third image reveals the tall temple-like structure, the adjacent structures above an engineered platform, and what appears as statuary, below
The fourth image - look carefully at the center - reveals a ruined structure, but what remains standing are two parallel post-and-beam elements. Architectural historians insist that post-and-beam construction if proof of human hand
The fifth image shows what appears to be a temple-like structure facing another engineered platform, which also has structure above
The Sixth image shows what appear as white vertical (standing) columns - beyond them two more vertical elements that look eerily like human statuary
The last two images are different perspectives on the the temple and the statuary shots, respectively
Guarding the location’s coordinates carefully, the project’s leader, who wishes to remain anonymous at this time, says the city could be thousands of years old; possibly even pre-dating the ancient Egyptian pyramids, at Giza. Nevertheless, the team claims that these images show that human intervention is responsible for their construction.
The project team asks that for more information, or to find out how to help fund their research, please contact the Herald de Paris’ publisher, Jes Alexander, at a specially set-up telephone number: 415-738-7811


WASHINGTON, DC (Herald de Paris) - EXCLUSIVE - New, un-filtered images were revealed, today, from the team claiming to have discovered a previously unknown and submerged ancient city on the sea floor, in the Caribbean. This series of images were released, they say, to focus attention more on the discovered ruins, and less on the anomalous blocks misinterpreted by the satellite imagery.
These images appear to show stone foundations and construction rubble fields. Some of the features show verticality and shadow, which researchers claim pixelated distortion would not. The team cautioned that the puffy-looking white areas in photo #4 are not clouds, but instead the reflection of the ocean’s surface with the sun high in the sky.
By showing the un-filtered images, the team hopes to exhibit why filtering and lightening of the images has been necessary. If the public can garner sharper images from the originals, please contact the Herald.
The project team asks that for more information, or to find out how to help fund their research as they move forward, please contact Herald de Paris publisher, Jes Alexander, at a specially set-up telephone number: 415-738-7811.
http://www.heralddeparis.com/wp-content/gallery/underthesea/jes06-16-dec-0012.jpg
http://www.heralddeparis.com/wp-content/gallery/underthesea/jes03-16-dec-0007.jpg

century
12-20-2009, 04:38 PM
I see that shit in water on google earth all the time :
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4306/amatitlanunderwaterno2.jpg

might have something to do with the pixels no?:confused:

Lexion
12-20-2009, 05:01 PM
I see that shit in water on google earth all the time :
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4306/amatitlanunderwaterno2.jpg

might have something to do with the pixels no?:confused:

Beat me to it.

And all the articles say "seeking funding".

How can an anonymous group seek
funding ?

Sounds like a load of shit, to me.

Google Earth shows lakes with circuit
boards.

Maybe I should seek funding to look
into that.

anarch
12-20-2009, 05:23 PM
Here is a link for yall to look at. It is about the great pyramid and its design as the worlds largest hydraulic ram pump. http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

THese guys also explain it well.... Less to skim over http://www.thepump.org/CC1.htm

When you think about platos description of atlantis I think of the great pyramid being the center of his description. For what kind of device could cause more ecological damage if not used in good common sense? The links in question provide solid support to the great pyramid being a gigantic hydraulic ram pump... but what they don't question is ....what if the creators of the damn thing just left it on? To continue pumping water. What if something when wrong and they could not shut it off...

What happened to that water pump? It is my belief that the flood, atlantis and the great pyramid are all inexorably linked.

Cogburn
12-20-2009, 05:40 PM
Beat me to it.

And all the articles say "seeking funding".

How can an anonymous group seek
funding ?

Sounds like a load of shit, to me.

Google Earth shows lakes with circuit
boards.

Maybe I should seek funding to look
into that.

While the images look similar, there is a difference: Google Earth images that produce a similar effect are as a result of the nautical sounding used to generate the sea floor images.

These photos are claimed to have been created through a difference process, that being satellite imaging.

I include it here as a footnote for when further information about the group and it's findings are forthcoming.

It's notable that the anomalies indicated by both you and Cent are well documented on the Google Earth forums.

century
12-20-2009, 06:32 PM
Google Earth images that produce a similar effect are as a result of the nautical sounding used to generate the sea floor images.



Would the nautical sounding be used in the Google Earth pictures of fresh water lakes?

Cogburn
12-20-2009, 06:34 PM
Ask them. (http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php/Cat/0)

My guess would be "absolutely".

Lexion
12-20-2009, 08:48 PM
I include it here as a footnote for when further information about the group and it's findings are forthcoming.

I'll be interested to see
them go public.

I'm guessing, never.

mojo
04-09-2010, 09:11 AM
Q-GueNOKolo

mojo
05-25-2010, 05:01 AM
http://www.archaeology.org/9703/etc/specialreport.html
 
Migration through the archipelago has always required that humans cross substantial stretches of open sea. But when did they first attempt to do this? There is a current controversial claim by a joint Dutch-Indonesian team that humans were contemporaries of stegodons, extinct elephant-like animals, at a site called Mata Menge on the Indonesian island of Flores. Stone flakes and stegodon bones have been found here in presumed association in deposits located just above a reversal of the earth's magnetic field dating to 730,000 years ago. Should this claim receive future support we will have to allow for the possibility that even Homo erectus was able to cross open sea, in this case the 15-mile-wide Strait of Lombok between Bali and Lombok.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/09/980919124036.htm
 
By unearthing ancient fragments of sea shells, cutting tools, and the bones of butchered seabirds, researchers have found what appears to be the oldest evidence of maritime-based societies in the New World. Radiocarbon dating of these and other artifacts, excavated by two groups of researchers at two different sites near the coast of Peru, extends the South American record of maritime exploitation by a thousand years to between 11,000 and 13,000 years ago, the time when much of the New World was probably first occupied.

KIWI
05-25-2010, 07:14 AM
Could the destruction of Atlantis have been the impetus for the spread of civilization from a single central point.
Without identifying Atlantis location lets assume that survivors of that civilization fled in all directions during the cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis

it may turn out that Atlantis was a real place, but the only one of its nature at the time? ..... the possibillity of there being other advanced cultures contemporary with the Atlanteans that suffered the same fate, during the same upheaval , and that may be a reason why no clear trail has emerged to show a single point of departure ?

I think it pays to remember the claims also that a great deal of information about our past is known,... but its being kept from us? are we trying to re-construct a puzzle where the puzzle-masters are hiding crucial pieces?

I would like to know what the geological record has to say regards the timing of the last great upheaval of the lithosphere, ..... an dif there are opposing theories on this ....;)

there is evidence that the direction of "travel" of the ice during the last age was from the equator to the poles, and not the other way round

and in spite of what's been said .... good on you Cog for making an effort, which is more than can be said for the junior "Klass-ites" that live under the bridge

good job on the op moj .... :cool:

KIWI
05-25-2010, 08:19 AM
oh and Cog .... of all those you have listed, how many would you say share a common theme?


To pin these to a definitive time would make a fair marker, 13000 years was first thought, through to 35000 , they are from Alaska , there were Bison horns also said to show bone regrowth that says the animal survived the initial strike, the bison horns were from Siberia.... the likely spot in Alaska was the Sithylemenkat Lake in the upper Kanuti River drainage. ..... that is said not to be the case as it is not actually a meteorite crater...



Buck Sharpton, an expert on impact craters and the Vice Chancellor for Research at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said the lake would have to be much older than 35,000 years because it has no rim associated with more recent impact craters and doesn’t look to him like an impact crater. He thinks the iron bits in the tusks could be cavities filled by “being immersed for millennia in porous sedimentary fill through which iron-rich water percolated.”



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http://amkon.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=967&stc=1&d=1274788032

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Prometheus
05-25-2010, 09:47 AM
super kool, mojo.

Prometheus
05-25-2010, 09:59 AM
do we have any experts on linguistics that can match up the languages or does the majority of you believe that tower of babel thing about everyone speaking different ones?

mojo
05-25-2010, 05:17 PM
do we have any experts on linguistics that can match up the languages or does the majority of you believe that tower of babel thing about everyone speaking different ones?

I'd like to get MissA to look at some linguistic stuff i had found, particulalry the Fuente Magna.

MissA
05-25-2010, 06:00 PM
I'd like to get MissA to look at some linguistic stuff i had found, particulalry the Fuente Magna.

Send me a PM and I'll send you my email addy. I would need it in a file.

mojo
05-25-2010, 06:09 PM
Send me a PM and I'll send you my email addy. I would need it in a file.

cool.

probably wont be until later today. im at work.(timezone). :D

Cogburn
05-25-2010, 08:41 PM
oh and Cog .... of all those you have listed, how many would you say share a common theme?


To pin these to a definitive time would make a fair marker, 13000 years was first thought, through to 35000 , they are from Alaska , there were Bison horns also said to show bone regrowth that says the animal survived the initial strike, the bison horns were from Siberia.... the likely spot in Alaska was the Sithylemenkat Lake in the upper Kanuti River drainage. ..... that is said not to be the case as it is not actually a meteorite crater...


Those tales I listed all share themes in common with Moses. So many that it is impossible to ignore.

It leaves only three possibilities: either it was a real event witnessed by civilizations around the world, or it was a story that traveled around the world far before we ever thought that possible, or both.

Mojo's latest contribution would seem to indicate it might be both.

mojo
05-25-2010, 10:46 PM
Mojo's latest contribution would seem to indicate it might be both.

thats the conclusion ive reached, i have no idea how to prove it though. :)

MissA
05-25-2010, 10:56 PM
Which are we trying to prove?

Cogburn
05-25-2010, 11:49 PM
thats the conclusion ive reached, i have no idea how to prove it though. :)

I don't think you can do more but build a credible theory.

We know that homo sapiens had sex with Neanderthals. We know that they had sex with cromagnon. Given this interspecies breeding, there is no problem suggesting that homo erectus, the most successful hominid in all of evolution, interbred with other types of humans.

This interbreeding infers a societal, if not cultural, intermixing of the species, as well.

We know that homo erectus used tools and had societal structure. These stories could have been carried through history by the ancestors of that, forgive me, "master race" of hominids that existed 2 million years ago.

MissA
05-25-2010, 11:56 PM
We can't prove anything 100% without one of those time portals from City on the Edge of Forever. However, we can get some good research in and formulate a well-thought out hypothesis.

Based on how language develops you can isolate the lingua franca and see how it disbursed. We can call companies like CH2MHill and ask for strata docs from various well or tunneling they've done. Theres a lot of cool stuff we can do.

mojo
05-26-2010, 02:50 AM
We can't prove anything 100% without one of those time portals from City on the Edge of Forever. However, we can get some good research in and formulate a well-thought out hypothesis.

Based on how language develops you can isolate the lingua franca and see how it disbursed. We can call companies like CH2MHill and ask for strata docs from various well or tunneling they've done. Theres a lot of cool stuff we can do.

thjat was the other thing i was going to ask you about.
i saw an article on linguistic dispersal from anatolia but i couldnt make head or tail of it, and now i cant find the article. :(

hmpff....keep looking 'spose.

mojo
11-02-2011, 01:37 AM
Not sure about Sumerians fleeing from the Akkadians, but the fact that the petroglyphs in some cases could be deciphered using Proto - Sumerian and Sumerian cuneiform is interesting.
 
Do Japanese Petroglyphs reveal prehistoric connections with the ancient Sumerian-Phoenician-Akkadian civilizations? (http://heritageofjapan.wordpress.com/just-what-was-so-amazing-about-jomon-japan/the-mystery-of-yonaguni-is-there-a-5000-year-old-underwater-pyramid-and-city/japanese-petroglyphs-connections-with-the-ancient-sumerian-civilization/)
 
Another characteristic of the Japanese petroglyphs is that 30% of them could be deciphered with Proto-Sumerian and Sumerian cuneiforms. We do not know exactly why Japanese petroglyphs are related with Sumerian letters. The only thing we could suppose is that in the late prehistoric ages, Sumerian seafaring tribes threatened by Akkadians invasions fled to the seas. Some tribes reached prehistoric Japan, which the scholars who belong to The Epigraphic Society of Harvard University used to suggest at the ISAC and E.S. conference.Emeritus Prof. Barry Fell (late President of E.S.) was an outstanding leader of the theory, adding that he is sure the Sumerian seafaring people reached the Far East while other groups reached the Americas B.C.

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 01:59 AM
Unless I'm reading it wrong, some of the glyphs date back 12,000 years.

I wonder why the presupposition that the Sumerians influenced Japanese culture and not the other way around...

Here's the bit I love.

In the right stone – tablet at the lower right is a pyramid engraved. These will show a characteristic of Japanese petroglyphs and their religious sides, because even today at Okinawa native sea people have sincere faith and pious belief in the legendary homeland, “Nidai-Kanai” which is believed to have been located in a very far place in the ocean, where their ancestors lived happy life forever. Some scholar suppose that their legendary homeland must be the lost, sunken continent of Mu. We do not know exactly when the continent of Mu sank, but according to under sea archaeology, some kind of geological catastrophe must have happened in 12000 B.P. These dates correspond to the legendary Okinawan stories. The stone tablets tell complete stories of the Mu’s culture and religion at that time. These 12 stone tablets, kept at the Governmental Museum, will provide us clue’s to solve the enigmaticf origins of human letters and languages.

century
11-02-2011, 02:00 AM
Cause we conquered their asses....

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 02:02 AM
Ah... of course.

century
11-02-2011, 02:05 AM
Yes, and who then writes the history...Masons:D

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 02:07 AM
Yes, and who then writes hides the history...Masons:D
Fixed for tin foil

century
11-02-2011, 02:08 AM
U still up?

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 02:09 AM
Nah... I'm sleepposting.

century
11-02-2011, 02:09 AM
Why dont you post something worth a damn, you have a reputation U know? :D

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 02:16 AM
What is there to say?

Aliens exist. You can talk to them if you like and Roswell has nothing to do with them, at all.

Altantis and Mu comprised the seventh great human culture to exist on the planet. We're the eighth and we aren't half as far as they got.

The Big Bang never happened. The universe is not expanding, it's spinning (hence the red shift).

We can't build the pyramids of Giza, but we can almost do something similar. Fifteen years tops before the first weaponized versions of the technology reach the battlefield. Experiments with the foundational theories were conducted during the Iraq War.

How's that?

century
11-02-2011, 02:22 AM
Decent

mojo
11-02-2011, 05:41 PM
Unless I'm reading it wrong, some of the glyphs date back 12,000 years.
 
yeah, there timeline is all screwed up, but i would really like to compare some of those petroglyphs to sumerian cuneiform.

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 05:49 PM
 
yeah, there timeline is all screwed up, but i would really like to compare some of those petroglyphs to sumerian cuneiform.
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If the timeline is correct, it is not proto-Sumerian... but proto-Japanese from which Sumerian was derived.

The article has two tones to it. First comes the declaration that this is proto-Sumerian. Next comes the assertion that Japanese culture originated from a now disappeared continent called Mu.

It seems that perhaps the someone writing the article was a bit conflicted on the facts, themselves.

mojo
11-02-2011, 06:02 PM
It seems that perhaps the someone writing the article was a bit conflicted on the facts, themselves.

no doubt. but.

there are some similarities to Sumerian cuneiform.

http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/japan/petroglyph_jp.html

The engraved stone tablets shown in photographs above were excavated at one of sanctuaries in Okinawa and are kept at the Governmental Museum of Okinawa prefecture, where since prehistoric ages about 12000 B.P. to 6500 B. P. "Sobata sea – people" used to dwell and build peculiar Okinawan cultures.

http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/prehistoric/oldest-art-top-50.htm (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/prehistoric/oldest-art-top-50.htm)

Looking at some of the artifacts in this list at the link above perhaps there timeline isn't as unreasonable as i initially thought. Particularly if we accept that at around that time an "Atlantean' (call it what you will) civilization spread out across the world after a cataclysmic event.

Interesting site.

http://www.megaliths.net/japan.htm

WynHawks
11-02-2011, 06:27 PM
if we accept that at around that time an "Atlantean' (call it what you will) civilization spread out across the world after a cataclysmic event.

...anythings possible... there was flooding that affected a lot of the globe but not like the biblical myth... ice melt was the culprit and it didnt happen overnight -took a while...

...if there was an atlantean culture, they went on the move just like everyone else but, imo, to say they "spread out across the world" is a stretch... seems more logical to presume they just moved to the nearest dry area and were eventually absorbed into other cultures...

mojo
11-02-2011, 06:37 PM
what leads me to suspect there was a spread of a single culture across the globe is the continued discovery of cuneiform artifacts of, if not exact, then very similar type.
sumer and the indus valley civilizations were trading with one another circa 6000bc. the rise of catalhoyuk (population approx 10,000) around 8000bc and gobleki tepe, some sort of diffusion after the bosphorus flooded isn't all that far fetched. or likewise if there was a culture located in or around the azores that was destroyed a maritime spread from there to all points of the compass isn't all that far fetched either imho.

ArchAngel
11-02-2011, 06:53 PM
Very interesting. It dovetails with some of my own research. I offer two potentially related but none the less interesting links.

PREHISTORIC ALIGNMENT OF WORLD WONDERS

The great circle

http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/

The World’s First Temple, Gobeklitepe

http://www.gobeklitepe.info/

Cogburn
11-02-2011, 09:08 PM
what leads me to suspect there was a spread of a single culture across the globe is the continued discovery of cuneiform artifacts of, if not exact, then very similar type.
sumer and the indus valley civilizations were trading with one another circa 6000bc. the rise of catalhoyuk (population approx 10,000) around 8000bc and gobleki tepe, some sort of diffusion after the bosphorus flooded isn't all that far fetched. or likewise if there was a culture located in or around the azores that was destroyed a maritime spread from there to all points of the compass isn't all that far fetched either imho.

/lear on

It wasn't so much "Atlantis" but a global culture split in to two non-opposing halves: "Atlantis" and "Mu". These two cultures simply had a different way of doing the same thing, a chocolate or vanilla decision. A global cataclysm which was recorded in nearly every civilization for the past 15,000 years (the Deluge) destroyed these cultures.

This is not our first, or even our second, rodeo. The difference between our civilization and those that have previously existed is that we traded technology for scale. We cannot do the things the ancients did because our culture isn't engineered for personal growth, it is engineered to sustain as many individuals as possible.

In the past, we could do much more because we had to... there weren't as many people. Our numbers make our culture lazy, but it is harder to wipe it out.

/lear off

Well... that's my working theory at any rate.

Sowelu
11-04-2011, 11:26 PM
By the time y'all get them theories together, you will be old men. Probably the plan. The more you pretend to mind masturbate, the longer it will take to come to a conclusion, a world view. Thus preventing any action and of course, risk. How about some Newtonian certainty?

The sinking of Atlantis that Plato referred to, was but the last island remnant of that ancient civilization. Atlantis was being submerged over tens of thousands, if not 100's of thousands of years before that particular event reported by Plato. The Atlanteans were the 4th Root Race and the unfolding into many branch Races. White, brown, red, yellow and what not. Not to be confused with the Lemurians, who preceded the Atlanteans by hundreds of thousands of years. They being the 3rd Root Race and the unfolding into many branch Races. They of course did not go by these names. The high priests of Atlantis(Aryans)5th Root Race, fled to India with the serpent of light.

Pam
11-04-2011, 11:33 PM
By the time y'all get them theories together, you will be old men. Probably the plan. The more you pretend to mind masturbate, the longer it will take to come to a conclusion, a world view. Thus preventing any action and of course, risk. How about some Newtonian certainty?

The sinking of Atlantis that Plato referred to, was but the last island remnant of that ancient civilization. Atlantis was being submerged over tens of thousands, if not 100's of thousands of years before that particular event reported by Plato. The Atlanteans were the 4th Root Race and the unfolding into many branch Races. White, brown, red, yellow and what not. Not to be confused with the Lemurians, who preceded the Atlanteans by hundreds of thousands of years. They being the 3rd Root Race and the unfolding into many branch Races. They of course did not go by these names. The high priests of Atlantis(Aryans)5th Root Race, fled to India with the serpent of light.

This sounds like something a "tard" would say!

WynHawks
11-04-2011, 11:38 PM
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Sowelu
11-04-2011, 11:41 PM
All of what you are and were and yet likely to be, is there for prying eyes. No punishment is exacted for the seeking out and discovery of the mysteries. It is your Karma, helped presently by your masters, keeping all this from the majorities grasp. Still, for those who will not accept this situation, the knowledge is there. Seek it and seek it. And a warning. Be careful what you wish for.

Cogburn
11-04-2011, 11:46 PM
All of what you are and were and yet likely to be, is there for prying eyes. No punishment is exacted for the seeking out and discovery of the mysteries. It is your Karma, helped presently by your masters, keeping all this from the majorities grasp. Still, for those who will not accept this situation, the knowledge is there. Seek it and seek it. And a warning. Be careful what you wish for.
Been there, done that, got the tattoos.

So the question that remains is, why are you a bigoted asshole: karmic path or conscious decision?

WynHawks
11-04-2011, 11:48 PM
:bwaha:

Sowelu
11-29-2011, 12:41 AM
And this theory has just as much credence as any other. Over many thousands of years the white and black magicians warred in what was the last gasp, the Kali Yug of Atlantis. The end of the 4th Root Race as Culture bearing. The White magicians eventually escaped while using their combined powers to drown the dark, preventing their escape. They warned and led the many races, to dry lands. These were the Ancestors. The Rishi's. The initiates of the Fifth Root Race, Aryans who fled Atlantis and as you suspect, created and renewed High Cultures all over the remaining globe. And of course, you, are they. These Root Races, 3rd and 4th, Lemuria and Atlantis, spanned MILLIONS of years. Many and various and complex were they, most lost in the mists of time. Only the highest of initiates are privy to the details.

Cogburn
11-29-2011, 08:53 AM
That sounds about right.

Almost.

:)

BE2
11-29-2011, 09:04 AM
Well he sounds pretty confident. Gotta give him that.

mojo
11-29-2011, 04:47 PM
he's getting closer.

Moose
11-29-2011, 05:25 PM
Great thread mojo. I find the whole topic fascinating. An earthquake swallowing an island 345miles/555km in size. POOF! Gone. Nothing left, but questions.

Again, great thread [tips hat]

Cogburn
11-29-2011, 05:48 PM
he's getting closer.
Right, if it weren't for the fact that global archeological evidence points to more than one suggested "seed culture".

What would you guess, mojo - at least three?

WynHawks
11-29-2011, 06:01 PM
he's getting closer.

http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/life20on20the20edge.jpg

mojo
01-29-2012, 02:09 AM
Right, if it weren't for the fact that global archeological evidence points to more than one suggested "seed culture".

What would you guess, mojo - at least three?


i think that was the point we had reached before we lost that other thread in our own amkon cataclysm, lol.

WynHawks
01-29-2012, 02:30 AM
Right, if it weren't for the fact that global archeological evidence points to more than one suggested "seed culture".

What would you guess, mojo - at least three?

...four is a good number... ;)

Cogburn
01-29-2012, 03:03 AM
You could always get fucked, as well.