View Full Version : Um...What the fuck? Max Baucus Health Care Amendment Passed
skunk
11-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html)
During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.
“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”
From one end of the spectrum to the other faster than a new york minute.
Free healthcare for all to public option for all to public option for some to penalties for no health insurance.
Dude...What the fuck?
entire interview (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-exclusive-obama-jobs-health-care-ft/story?id=9033559)
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 09:29 PM
and people thought this was socialism...
Sounds like Fascism...
skunk
11-10-2009, 09:29 PM
Max Baucus has officially gone mainstream.
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 09:31 PM
yup.
now lets wait for BE to tell us how its a good thing we're forced to subsidize the insurance companies through this bill... how it brings about the end of the insurance hostage situation...
skunk
11-10-2009, 09:32 PM
Do you have change for a twenty?
skunk
11-10-2009, 09:33 PM
now lets wait for BE to tell us how its a good thing we're forced to subsidize the insurance companies through this bill... how it brings about the end of the insurance hostage situation...
There's no spinning this piece of news.
that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so
whats wrong with this?
of the people, by the people, for the corporations
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 09:50 PM
It would be mandatory to purchase insurance...
If you don't... you get a fine...
if you don't pay the fine, you go to jail.
It will create deeper wage slavery.
It would be mandatory to purchase insurance...
If you don't... you get a fine...
if you don't pay the fine, you go to jail.
It will create deeper wage slavery.
it would be mandatory to buy insurance if you could afford it, theres a difference.
basic health care should be free but extra's should be payed for by the individual or their insurance imo.
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 09:56 PM
If you can't pay it... they'll deduct it from your paycheck for the public option... and charge you an additional 2.5% of your income as a fee.
skunk
11-10-2009, 09:57 PM
mojo, I agree with you on the specialists being paid for out of pocket, but in this case basic health care isn't free either. And if you don't buy it, for whatever reason that may be, you get fined, and then jailed if you don't pay the fine.
Makes sense?
mojo, I agree with you on the specialists being paid for out of pocket, but in this case basic health care isn't free either. And if you don't buy it, for whatever reason that may be, you get fined, and then jailed if you don't pay the fine.
Makes sense?
no.
specifically he said "if you can afford it" and "did not endorse jailtime".
totally different to what you guy's are assuming he said or will happen.
hell, i'm not even a fan of obama but i can't see anything wrong with the sound bite quoted in the OP.
This is going to end up a kin to the poor having to go to the barber college for health care.
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 10:07 PM
He didn't say he didn't endorse Jailtime...
The OP said he stopped short of commenting on that...
at least thats how I read the OP article.
if ya got a min you can read the bill... its 2000 pages though lol
To make matters worse... they're putting the IRS in charge of collecting the fines...
which means interest+penalties...
it also means someone will lose their house if they can't afford it...
The bill doesn't state what "adequate" healthcare coverage is...
and the provisions for being able to afford healthcare are set pretty Low IMHO... especially during an equity crisis.
skunk
11-10-2009, 10:08 PM
We've already gone over the fine part I guess:
Ensign confirms $1,900 fine for no health insurance (http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?sho wall)
GPO.gov america's healthy future act of 2009 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-111srpt89/html/CRPT-111srpt89.htm)
Open congress; S.1796 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1796/show)
Out source american jobs, screw up the economy so more jobs are gone, allow illegal immigration to saturate the health care system then decide to make care even harder for the average person. A good job by the leaders of our country. Time to remove leaders from the phrase.
boycotteverything
11-10-2009, 10:13 PM
I'm disappointed in the entire process. This is the classic bait and switch. I hope all so called 'progressive' senators have the balls to vote it down. I'm still thinking that the Howard Dean/ Dennis Kucinich plan of 'medicare for all' will be finally introduced. At this point it might have a chance.
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 10:16 PM
We've already gone over the fine part I guess:
Ensign confirms $1,900 fine for no health insurance (http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?sho wall)
GPO.gov america's healthy future act of 2009 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-111srpt89/html/CRPT-111srpt89.htm)
Open congress; S.1796 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1796/show)
Thats all the info for the Senate bill Skunk...
The senate bill contained epic amounts of fail...
it was aweful...
The house bill is better... but still aweful...
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 10:17 PM
I'm disappointed in the entire process. This is the classic bait and switch. I hope all so called 'progressive' senators have the balls to vote it down. I'm still thinking that the Howard Dean/ Dennis Kucinich plan of 'medicare for all' will be finally introduced. At this point it might have a chance.
Don't forget Weiner!
seriously... he's about medicare for all...
I can get behind that type of bill BE...
skunk
11-10-2009, 10:19 PM
it would be mandatory to buy insurance if you could afford it, theres a difference.
Sure there's a difference, but not much.
Who decides who can afford health insurance?
I can afford really shitty health insurance on my current wage slave salary, but I can't get decent/good health insurance.
I have chosen to opt out and not buy any.
Now I'm a criminal.
Does that make sense to you?
boycotteverything
11-10-2009, 10:24 PM
I'm disappointed in the entire process. This is the classic bait and switch. I hope all so called 'progressive' senators have the balls to vote it down. I'm still thinking that the Howard Dean/ Dennis Kucinich plan of 'medicare for all' will be finally introduced. At this point it might have a chance.
Don't forget Weiner!
seriously... he's about medicare for all...
I can get behind that type of bill BE...Weiner, yes. And many others. In fact I'd say that any senator who's not been bought and paid for by the insurance mob will be open to single payer.
it would be mandatory to buy insurance if you could afford it, theres a difference.
Sure there's a difference, but not much.
Who decides who can afford health insurance?
I can afford really shitty health insurance on my current wage slave salary, but I can't get decent/good health insurance.
I have chosen to opt out and not buy any.
Now I'm a criminal.
Does that make sense to you?
its based on a percentage of your earnings, its worked well here for years.
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 10:28 PM
I still think that Obama supporting such a crap bill like he is shows how much he's been bought and paid for...
actually not him...
I still think the real brains behind everything is axelrod.
pack3tg0st
11-10-2009, 10:29 PM
Mojo... here's something that hasn't been brought up yet:
Basic insurance for me (a 28 yr old male) and my wife and kids through Blue Cross Blue Shield is almost 800/month...
we're talking 50/copays and 500 deductable.
boycotteverything
11-10-2009, 10:32 PM
In think Barack would have favored pure socialized medicine, he always has. He's said in the past that the public option was an increment along that road. But given the tenor of American polity he decided to go half way. To compromise. It's unfortunate that American politics are so trivial.
skunk
11-10-2009, 10:37 PM
I still think the real brains behind everything is axelrod.
Obama's brain :lol:
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/images/roland-s-martin.op.jpg
From blackchristiannews.com . You can't make this shit up.
boycotteverything
11-10-2009, 10:58 PM
I still think the real brains behind everything is axelrod.
Obama's brain :lol:
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/images/roland-s-martin.op.jpg
From blackchristiannews.com . You can't make this shit up.I don't get it. Is that supposed to be funny? Should we know that dude?
skunk
11-11-2009, 01:54 AM
ObamaRod, you better know him bitch.
Cogburn
11-11-2009, 01:56 AM
I don't get it. Is that supposed to be funny? Should we know that dude?
http://rolandsmartin.com/
Chorlton
11-11-2009, 04:10 AM
It would be mandatory to purchase insurance...
If you don't... you get a fine...
if you don't pay the fine, you go to jail.
If you go to Jail you get beaten up
If you get beaten up you go to hospital
If you go to hospital and you havent got insurance.........
You get a fine
If you dont pay.................................
boycotteverything
11-11-2009, 10:18 AM
now that's worth a smite- for human futility!
skunk
12-26-2009, 09:05 PM
Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html)
...President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.
“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you...there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”
This is what change looks like.
Max Baucus' amendment passed.
Insurance is such a racket. Notice the surge in stock purchases of health care companies. They have already started raising premiums.
FAT, stupid Americans with no health insurance have attacked plans to stop them dying so easily.
'Git your free healthcare givin' ass offa ma property'
Across the United States poor people who are told what to think by television said President Obama's plan to give them free healthcare could lead to them being treated in a hospital that was not run by the Chicago Mafia.
Bill McKay, a retired shitkicker and Fox News analyst, from Kentucky, said: "I would rather replace my own hip using a rusty spoon than wait two months to have it done in a communist hospital, by some coffee-coloured faggot doctor who will then eat my unborn child to celebrate the end of Ramadan."
Barbara Hayes, a God-fearer, from Arkansas, added: "Ah see'd some woman from England on the Fox News sayin' her muslim communist doctor would only give her the good medicines if she denounced Jesus. Ah ain't denouncin' Jesus fir nobody, no siree."
But Dr Tom Logan, head of public health at the Institute for Studies, said: "The key difference between the United States and Britain is that we treat poor people rather than leaving them to die in a skip.
Continued here....:D
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/americans-without-health-insurance-attack-plan-to-give-them-health-insurance-200908141981/
GeneralStriker
12-30-2009, 07:14 PM
hahahaha kinda makes me embarrassed to be an American. but at least we're still good for a few laughs.
skunk
12-30-2009, 08:43 PM
Ain't nothing wrong with universal healthcare.
This bill is horrible though.
Lexion
12-30-2009, 08:51 PM
I'm disappointed in the entire process. This is the classic bait and switch.
Rather like the Obama campaign.