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Aviary type allegedly replied to a request to be a guest on a UFO related internet radio show with the following...
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=veritasshow&action=display&thread=6654&page=1#210115
Mel
Appreciate your invitation. I'll be much more interested in talking in about eight months. Reason will be obvious at that time.
Thanx
John Alexander
interesting? or a ploy for subscribers?
Yex
boycotteverything
10-24-2009, 09:36 PM
best to never ever believe anything that originates with brendan burton or his gaggle of bootlickers. never...
e-mail was to this guy http://www.veritasshow.com/
He has had some good guests on, http://www.veritasshow.com/shows.html
(Can`t be arsed to type them all, but had some gooduns, Goode, Friedman etc)
Yex
first thought was...he's pregnant
I guess a barage of mockery from his ilk is expected, what he is saying is he has a scoop that no-one else has?
Ive not heard of the guy Yex so will enjoy a nose about into his history...is he prone to making sensationalist claims?
maybe a "balloon-boy" type of event being set up
Kiwi-
This is from an old article by Armen Victorian about Col John....
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/aviary.html
JOHN ALEXANDER
The entire non-lethal weapons concept opens up a new Pandora's Box of unknown consequences. The main personality behind it is retired Colonel John B. Alexander. Born in New York in 1937, he spent part of his career as a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam, led Cambodian mercenaries behind enemy lines, and took part in a number of clandestine programmes, including Phoenix.
He currently holds the post of Director of Non-lethal Programs in the Los Alamos National Laboratories.
Alexander obtained a BSc. from the University of Nebraska and an MA from Pepperdine University. In 1980 he was awarded a PhD from Walden University for his thesis "To determine whether or not significant changes in spirituality occur in persons who attended a Kubler-Ross life/death transition workshop during the period June through February 1979." His dissertation committee was chaired by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross.
He has long been interested in what used to be regarded as 'fringe' areas. In 1971, while a Captain in the infantry at Schofield Barracks, Honolulu, he was diving in the Bimini Islands looking for the lost continent of Atlantis. He was an official representative for the Silva mind control organization and a lecturer on Precataclysmic Civilisations. Alexander is also a past President and a board member of the International Association for Near Death Studies; and, with his former wife, Jan Northup, he helped Dr C. B. Scott Jones perform ESP experiments with dolphins.
and so on...Theres loads of stuff about him on the net, he was involved in the Aviary since the early days, how much is true however...
Yex
Alexander knows how to manipulate situations to his advantage. His reply his a variation on the jedi mind trick
boycotteverything
10-24-2009, 11:51 PM
i have never felt the Alexander had any special insight into the problems of Ufology. he may be an interesting character but that's where it ends for me.
This is a good read
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sorcerers.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sorcerers2.htm
The table half way down the second link shows the tangled web of people involved in these projects...
Here is the list compiled so far it is no means complete and will be updated over time. The main organisations are as follows Aviary, National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS), Sarfatti's Stardrive Mailing List(SARF), Majestic Documents Team (MJ12), The Axiom Faculty (AXIOM) The Warrior's Path Group(WARR) and The Institute of Noetic Science (IONS) .
Yex
and yes, think I`d agree, wouldn`t trust the penguin as far as I could throw him
boycotteverything
10-25-2009, 12:30 AM
you've taken me for a trip down memory lane (or is it rabbitville.) i can't get my head around it all right now. this is such a huge and convoluted field that it occasionally makes you scream out for simplicity. it's a hall of mirrors, Yex, and at times i feel it's costing me my sanity. john alexander though is for me a bridge too far. think about how intricately ramified Ufology has become since it's inception in the 50's. it makes your head spin. and i'm not so sure that that has not been the intent of the game makers since the days of the Robertson Panel. i don't know, yex. i'm in one of those phases wherein i pull back as far as i can to take a look at the shapes- to see if there's any rational sense to them all. i almost feel as if we're under a withering attack by mad clowns. have you ever looked at Rick Doty's face? do you see a clown? UFO Live? jesus... i'm gonna have to do some serious reflection over a cup of hot green tea. there are hundreds of characters in the act. think about it- hundreds. make a list just off the top of your head. from a to z. adamski to zamora! and these- all in 60 years. all since Roswell. and Roswell redux- serpo. i do believe that there is coherent connection among all the disparate entities and occasions. i suppose that belief is why we continue to study the field. but it's like trying to piece the NY Times back together after it's been put through a shredder.
Don`t worry mate, you sit down and have a nice cup of tea. rest those brain cells for a bit :D
boycotteverything
10-25-2009, 12:49 AM
a cup of tea is all it ever takes, eh? amazing.
Hey...check this out.
Greer briefs Obama
http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/ObamaBriefingIntroduction.pdf
BE, I see your point of 60+ year and the A to Z of the players.
I can't help but think, given not a bit of evidence that passes above a reasonable doubt or true leaks, that these people are no more then craftsmen building their own paper mache globe using dollar bills. Secrets don't last forever in a crowd.
The table half way down the second link shows the tangled web of people involved in these projects...
the blind squirrell and the nut for me, little gems to be found in some obscure places...peolpe can be quick to dismiss out of hand the entirework of someone should they find the going gets a bit weird for their taste
its not to say the condition didnt originate with the particular researcher in question, by him/her making that most fatal of errors, adding their own "bent" to a subject that is already that far "out-there" as to be an instant career destroyer should anyone "go there" ( if they still wanted a career in the mainstream)
most who choose to get involved are a bit "different" from the rest to begin with, a requirement almost to view the world the way they do......not blindly accepting of the status quo
hes my kinda kook this guy, until I find it go "cold".... all grist to the mill
cheers Yex
Cogburn
10-25-2009, 02:13 PM
Hey...check this out.
Greer briefs Obama
http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/ObamaBriefingIntroduction.pdf
Everybody wants to be Charlie Sheen now.
Lexion
10-25-2009, 02:23 PM
Hey...check this out.
Greer briefs Obama
http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/ObamaBriefingIntroduction.pdf
Everybody wants to be Charlie Sheen now.
Smite for truth.
To dig up an old thread.........Now it makes sense, The Penguins written a book- should have been published by penguin for maximum irony
2268
A former Green Beret commander and developer of weapons at Los Alamos, N.Mex., Alexander reviews major events in UFO history, finding both facts and flaws: œThe gulf between the public™s opinion of UFOs and what most scientists believe regarding them is cavernous.¯ During the 1980s, Alexander organized an interagency group to explore the evidence, with participants from the military, CIA, and aerospace industry examining classic cases, including Roswell; the Gulf Breeze, Fla., photos; and unexplained incidents occurring within the U.S. strategic defense systems (such as sightings by NORAD installations), plus claims of reverse engineering on captured crafts; the Phoenix Lights, which Arizona™s governor at the time admitted witnessing; and the documented radiation poisoning suffered by Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum after their reported 1980 encounter near Houston. Alexander succeeds in separating solid facts and credible witnesses from the myths and conspiracy theorists. Determining that UFOs, while real, are œbeyond current comprehension,¯ he sees the extraterrestrial hypothesis as too narrow. UFOs remain an enigma, he concludes, since œevery time we think we have an answer, new observations make the problem more complex.¯ 8 pages of b&w photos. (Feb.)
(c) Copyright PWxyz, LLC. All rights reserved.
Review
Praise for UFOs:
"Alexander succeeds in separating solid facts and credible witnesses from the myths and conspiracy theorists." --Publishers Weekly
“John Alexander is the real deal. He doesn't just talk the talk - he's walked the walk. Here's a man with a top secret security clearance who researched the UFO phenomenon and discussed it at the highest levels, in the shadowy world of military and intelligence which he's inhabited for decades. Forget everything you think you know about UFOs - this insider's account exposes the reality. And it's a reality that will come as a big surprise. Packed with top grade information, insightful analysis and fascinating anecdotes, Alexander's interesting and controversial book sets the gold standard for titles on this subject.” –Nick Pope, author of Open Skies, Closed Minds
“UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities changes the playing field for both true believers and skeptics alike. Alexander notes disclosure has already happened, and what is really wanted is conformation. He strongly warns, be careful what you wish for when asking for presidential intervention. Success could set the field of ufology back decades.” --George Noory, host of Coast to Coast AM
“In these pages, Dr. Alexander describes the ultimate exploration of the government's UFO secrets: that of an insider with the clearances and credentials to discover the truth. And the truth that he has discovered is deeply shocking: somebody--or something--is certainly here, but we have no ongoing response to this mysterious presence at all. Irrefutable cases confirm a UFO reality, but, at best, official response has been sketchy and no effort has been made at all to determine whether or not this reality represents a threat to the people of earth. For anybody interested in the UFO mystery, or concerned about the human future, Dr. Alexander's book is a must-read.” --Whitley Strieber, author of Communion
“Dr. John B. Alexander delivers a captivating and one-of-a-kind exposé of UFO phenomena and conspiracy theories. Told from the unmatched perspective of a government insider, and combining encyclopedic-knowledge with a passion for the subject matter, Dr. Alexander takes on the long standing debate of whether or not UFOs exist while opening the door to a whole new set of mysteries. Whether you’re a believer or not, this fact based analysis is a must read.” --Gale Anne Hurd, owner of Valhalla Movie Productions, and producer of the movies Terminator, The Abyss, Aliens, and Armageddon
“No one else could have written this book. You will marvel at what Col. Alexander has done, over six decades, to be able to offer neither theories nor opinions, but facts from the real world. He quotes UFO sightings by family members and trusted friends with no incentive to lie, and data from sophisticated instrumentation, showing performance unachievable by known aircraft (e.g., 4000 mph and 90 degree turns), from which he concludes that physical phenomena are occurring, but their source and nature are unknown.
He quotes data from polls showing that 62% of the American people believe their government knows about extraterrestrial beings, but has repeatedly denied or hidden that information.
He also explains why this is almost certainly untrue. He talked directly with many officials at the four-star level of authority who believe the same thing, and yet had no such knowledge themselves. He concludes that there is no person in government who is running, or who has responsibility for such a program, and he explains in factual detail, the basis for this conclusion.
You will learn a lot about UFOs from this book. You will learn even more valuable information about how your government works. And you will enjoy every minute of the experience.” -- Dr. Theodore Rockwell, former technical director of Admiral Rickover’s program for the nuclear navy and President Eisenhower’s Atoms for Peace (1949-64), and co-founder of the engineering firm MPR Associates
“Col. Alexander’s data-rich book is a must read by anyone with even a passing curiosity about UFOs and the government’s involvement and knowledge of this controversial subject. Authored by a well-connected government insider with decades of access to senior military and civilian leaders, and who convened a highly-classified, officially-sanctioned UFO study group, Col. Alexander provides a firsthand, behind-the-scenes look at the intricate government/intelligence/'military-industrial-complex' structure that emerges from his careful study. With candor and meticulous attention to detail, Col. Alexander shares his personal odyssey to determine the ground truth reality concerning the UFO enigma and the government’s role in it. The verdict: On the one hand he finds that our nation’s best defense assets unequivocally confirm the existence of UFOs as physical objects of extraordinary performance capability, apparently intelligently controlled; on the other hand he also deconstructs many of the field’s most vaunted myths and conspiracies that have grown up around this controversial and contentious topic. Believers and skeptics alike will thus find much here to challenge a priori assumptions.” --Harold E. Puthoff, Ph.D., Director of the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin
"Much of the extant literature pertaining to putative UFO phenomena tends to bog down in tedious reiterations of time-worn empirical evidence and speculative theoretical propositions. In refreshing contrast, John Alexander's first-person reportage of the mish-mash of government attention (and curious lack thereof) to this potentially portentous subject quickly draws the reader into personal cognizance of an unfolding saga of all-too-familiar bureaucratic federal bumbling. The physical interpretations proposed by the author on the basis of his intimate personal involvement with this polyglot technical, political, and psychological scenario, therefore merit some careful consideration. No serious scholar of the persistent paradoxes that swirl around these bizarre phenomena should neglect these perspectives.” --R.G. Jahn, Professor and Dean, Emeritus, School of Engineering and Applied Science. Princeton University
"Dr. John B. Alexander has taken an unflinching, courageous look at one of the most controversial and important issues of our time. Alexander's fascinating, careful approach shifts the dialogue around UFOs to a new level." --Larry Dossey, MD, author of The Power of Premonitions
“John's book is extremely well written and clearly lays out a compelling case that there is no central organization or committee that masterminds the "UFO Cover Up." He's the only person I know that has the qualifications, contacts and experience to write such a book. He puts it all together in a very readable fashion. Once you start, it’s hard to put the book down.” –Col. Charles I. Halt, ret., former Deputy Commander at Bentwaters, UK
“Whether or not you are “into” UFOs, this book could rock your world! Dr. Alexander’s blockbuster book is based on about 25 years of searching the top levels of government and military to find “the” group in charge of UFO information. The negative result of his search shakes the foundations of the widely held belief that there has been a government conspiracy to “cover up” important UFO information related to UFO crashes and interactions with aliens. This book could also rock your world if you are a “nonbeliever” because Dr. Alexander has cited some strong evidence that “UFOs are real.” He also provides reality checks on some commonly held beliefs related to UFOs, reverse engineering of alien technology, human-alien interactions, what has been done by the governments of other countries, animal mutilations, agriglyphs (“crop circles”) and military abductions. Anyone seriously interested in studying the UFO phenomenon should read this book.” -- Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D., U.S. Navy Physicist (Ret.)
Cheers,
Yex
Yeah. Ordered it for Kindle. Due 2/15.
Hey if Hal, Whitley, Nick and Bruce say it's a winner who am I to argue? hahahah I'll let you know if it was worth 13 bucks.
Lexion
02-04-2011, 01:37 AM
Paid endorsements.
been a long 8 monthsNote from me to Rich Dolan this morning-
After just 10% read it is obvious to me that it is designed as an IC response to and a marginalization of your own research. The basic theme being that the alphabet agencies have no official interest in UFOs- nor any special knowledge not revealed by independent investigators. That, to me, is laughable given the public record that convincingly contradicts that assertion. This is the stuff of the continuation of Robertson. Every 'expert' who has endorsed Alexander's book is now suspect in my mind. They either carelessly failed to consider his intent or are complicit in IC disinfo.
To be continued...
Almost finished. It's a debunker's wet dream.
Trauma Teased
02-15-2011, 11:45 AM
Almost finished. It's a debunker's wet dream.
What is an "IC response" and "IC disinfo"? Other that obviously being a bad thing, haha.
Americans and their abbravations, sigh!
(bit of an oxymoron, I know...)
Trauma Teased
02-15-2011, 11:53 AM
Intelligence Community
Ah, at least it has absolutely nothing to do with AmKon, then, hahahahaha!
Penguin knows a lot more than he admits to
look at the non interview he gave to RU
http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/01/john-alexander-mr-non-lethal-with-many-hands-in-many-pots/
shame he has no balls
boycotteverything
02-15-2011, 09:56 PM
He may but he's still serving his IC masters. His new book may as well have been written by Phil Klass. Klassic debunkery.
Lexion
02-15-2011, 11:22 PM
Ah, at least it has absolutely nothing to do with AmKon, then, hahahahaha!
Heh.
http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Articles/DeconstructingDebunkers.html
Lexion
02-16-2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Articles/DeconstructingDebunkers.html
First...Budd Hopkins ?
Second...Budd Hopkins ?
Come the fuck on.
http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Articles/DeconstructingDebunkers.html
Posted that in the Jacobs thread with comment yesterday. Excellent rebuttal by Bud.
http://amkon.net/showthread.php/30936-David-Jacobs-tonight?p=606860&viewfull=1#post606860
Jake quotes guess who
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=johnlear&thread=9707&page=1#294906
There is one negative review from someone I know well from the early days of this forum. Perhaps he has nailed it head-on......
- quote -
By LK. Walker "platonist" (denver)
"After having just finished the Kindle edition John's 'Myth, Conspiracies, and Realities' it is obvious to me that this book is designed as an IC response to, and a marginalization of, Rich Dolan's and Leslie Kean's latest research; the basic theme being that the alphabet agencies have no official interest in UFOs- nor any special knowledge not revealed by independent investigators. That, to me, is laughable given the public record that convincingly and profoundly contradicts that assertion. This is the stuff of the continuation of Robertson. Every 'expert' who has endorsed Alexander's book is now suspect in my mind. They either carelessly failed to consider his intent or are themselves complicit in IC disinfo. The Ufer dialectic is in the throes of a backwards step: the Emma- Jacobs kerfuffle, the Rainy- Hopkins smear, and now this... See a pattern? "
Jake loves me. That was my review on Amazon, by the way.
By the way- Bren might ban him for quoting the evil Toon. hahahahahaha
I love you too...and I know
Never did know what the L was for though
You want me to edit it?
By the way- Bren might ban him for quoting the evil Toon. hahahahahaha
Yeah...it's against the rules....but the rules don't apply to Jake don'tcha know
Check the Lex favorite Bruce Maccabee comment
February 16th, 2011 09:42am
Another debate we won’t hear on NPR (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11608/another-debate-we-wont-hear-on-npr/)
by Billy Cox (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/author/cox/)
Like UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities author John Alexander, retired U.S. Navy commander Will Miller enjoyed a distinguished military career that included working with the DoD’s nonlethal weapons program. Combat veteran, advisor to U.S. Space Command, cleared for Sensitive Compartmented Access, Miller shared another one of Alexander’s interests — UFOs. And he made numerous inquiries on the subject before his career ended in 1994.
Silence like a cancer grows: According to The Washington Post, 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies perform counterterrorism, security, and intelligence work at 10,000 locations across the U.S. Some 854,000 Americans hold top secret security clearances/CREDIT: guardian.co.uk
Last year, in Leslie Kean’s UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record, Miller wasn’t shy about addressing the secrecy surrounding The Great Taboo. Like Alexander, he didn’t buy into the idea of a massive orchestrated coverup. On the other hand, he stated, “I remain firmly convinced that many military and civilian personnel at the highest levels of various agencies, departments and organizations are purposely kept in the dark so that those leaders may plausibly and honestly deny knowledge of the subject.”
“I know for a fact,” Miller added, “that such information resides within several ‘three-letter agencies.’” Miller suggested the mystery was cloaked inside an Unacknowledged Special Access Program.
That’s a mind-boggler, given the scope of what little we know about the range of acknowledged Special Access Programs. Kean cites an investigation of the forbidding SAPs for Jane’s International Defense Review conducted by Bill Sweetman, who ran into “a wall of denial … with no way to tell the difference between deliberate and fortuitous disinformation.” That’s because SAPs likely protect what USAF regulations describe as “any item, progress, strategy or element of information, the compromise of which would result in unrecoverable failure.”
So try to wrap your head around a USAP. Alexander can’t.
“There are those who state that UFOs are an unacknowledged special access program,” he writes. “That means that even the existence of the program is denied, let alone the facts associated with the project. In vacuous statements, these conspiracy theorists claim that members of the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government who work on these programs are required to lie to everyone, including the POTUS, about the existence of that program — in this case UFO research. This is both utter nonsense and illegal.”
Bottom line: If a phenomenon with a proven ability to shut down nuclear weapons (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11209/mr-salas-goes-to-washington-again/) isn’t being secretly studied by our sharpest minds — and Alexander contends it isn’t — then the status quo is indefensible and obsolete. If, as Miller suspects, such a program is in fact sequestered from presidential access, then our system of checks and balances has become obsolete.
Two very smart and ostensibly reasonable ex-military officers who’ve tried digging for federal UFO secrets are at public loggerheads here. This is a debate that can be considered, in significant ways, foundational. It needs a mainstream venue. But this is The Great Taboo. So you can’t get there from here.
Comments (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11608/another-debate-we-wont-hear-on-npr/feed/)
10 Comments
February 16th, 2011 7:08 pm (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11608/another-debate-we-wont-hear-on-npr/#comment-4804)
see my review for futher comments
http://www.brumac.8k.com/AlexanderBookReview/AlexanderBookReview.htm
by Bruce Maccabee (http://www.brumac.8k.com/)
February 16th, 2011 8:39 pm (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11608/another-debate-we-wont-hear-on-npr/#comment-4806)
Thanks for the post, Bruce. I’m with you. Alexander’s connections are formidable indeed, but I’m not convinced he’s nailed the sucker. It might meet the preponderance of evidence standards, but not beyond the shadow of a doubt.
by Billy Cox
Comment on Billy's blog...
February 17th, 2011 6:29 am (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11608/another-debate-we-wont-hear-on-npr/comment-page-1/#comment-4812)
After carefully considering Brumac’s review I find it difficult not to conclude that Alexander’s agenda is less to enlighten than to dissemble. Are his high security clearances simply an indication of his expertise on the subject or an insinuation of his true agenda? A man cannot serve two masters.
by LK Walker (http://amkon.net)
As you can see- I'm pretty pissed. Alexander's book is nothing more than a further IC attempt to discredit Ufology- this time by negating a core issue. I think the shit is about to hit the fan on this. Blowback? Pop your corn and enjoy the show. :popcorn::popcorn:
...but first arm yourself with a bit of history- re-read Robertson.
difficult to believe in a government that states there is nothing to hide while hiding information.
Is there any truth to the rumor that the government is gonna redesign the dollar and replace 'in god we trust' with 'move along, nothing to see here?'
It is a shame that it has gone from 'when are we hear lies' to 'when are we hearing the truth'. When the default is lies and disinformation, it's pretty sad.
Patriots and freedom my ass...
Patriots and freedom my ass... that's why we always say- watch your asses
I am looking for a reasonable price on a Timex asswatch. It's about time I caught up with current technology.
Check out the seedier brothels of Stockholm(e).
I got banned for quoting the Toon
I think Mr Reason is sucking Brens cock
:p
boycotteverything
03-12-2011, 07:30 PM
Has anyone read this book except me?
johnlear
03-14-2011, 12:45 AM
Somebody might want to drag my opening post of my John Alexander thread from over at the other place. :)
Somebody might want to drag my opening post of my John Alexander thread from over at the other place. :)
I just finished reading UFO's; Myths, Conspiracies and Realities written by my friend john B. Alexander, PhD (Physics).
While he lectures us for almost 300 pages about 'facts' and 'evidence' he constantly refers to the world wide NASA hoax known as the Apollo Missions as proof ET's do not exist on the Earth or Moon.
For somebody who was a Green Beret, has a PhD in Physics and is fairly knowledgeable about the field of UFO's it is beyond the imagination that he would base his claim that ET's don't exist on Earth or the Moon with statements by the Apollo mission astronauts. Of course the astronauts didn't see any ET's...they never went to the moon!
Anybody with the a computer and imaging program can figure that out.
John, while continuing to lecture us about the government not being able to keep a secret doesn't even address the 911 Fiasco which to this day has not been unraveled except for the fact that it was certainly conceived, planned and carried out by a small cabal within our government.
He dismisses almost every single UFO case with, "What scientists describe is well beyond anything I am aware of at this time or simply 'that is not the case'. I am not kidding. He really says this.
And concludes his painful diatribe with, "Based on credible witnesses and backed by physical evidence, I conclude that the UFO observations are manifestation of issues that are anfractuous and beyond current comprehension." I had to look up 'anfractuous' and it means 'with twists and turns, tortuous."
Phil Klass left us with this message "No matter how long you live, you will never know any more about UFOs than you know today".
John Alexander, Ph.D. is the new Phil Klass.
John Lear
Read more: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=9707#ixzz1GXoawEcm
pigswillfly
03-14-2011, 05:08 AM
"I find it difficult not to conclude that Alexander’s agenda is less to enlighten than to dissemble. Are his high security clearances simply an indication of his expertise on the subject or an insinuation of his true agenda? A man cannot serve two masters.
by LK Walker (http://amkon.net/) "
Yeah, that about sums it up and to waste anymore time on this loser is to play his game and become mired in the muck.
johnlear
03-14-2011, 09:11 PM
Here is the first of a series of excerpts from John Alexander's book, UFO's; Myths, Conspiracies and Realities. The page number from which each quote comes is listed at the end of the quote. My comments, if necessary follow the quote.
Alexander's Gems
"Contrary to popular belief, there are no black
projects that are exempt from oversight."Pg.80
(John, you might want to check with Dick D'Amato on that.
:))
"By law, there is no place where one is allowed to deny
information to those positions. This notion of legally withholding information
from these key people (POTUS) is a fantasy that has been proffered by the theorists who have to explain why certain
officials have no knowledge of the UFO topic."Pg.80
"Just because a program is black does not allow underlings to determine the validity of reporting required information."Pg.80
Alexander Trashes Phillip Corso:
"However, in The Day After Roswell, Corso made many
extraordinary claims, especially regarding the use of crashed UFO material in
the development of American advanced technology. Unfortunately, none of those claims have been substantiated, and most are in directly refuted by known facts."Pg.50
(John does not specify what these know facts are.)
"As the amount of money to be moved increases, so does
the level of authority for reprogramming. For large sums to be transferred,
agencies are required to request congressional approval before the money moves. Failure to follow these rules is a crime." Pg.83
(What is a crime John is that you actually believe that! :))
"I'm confident that if a UFO program was being funded,
especially over a long period of time, the word would have come out through
official channels." Pg.84
(This is no kidding. John actually says this.)
"When you consider the number of people who have had
access to critical information over a period of more than half a century, the
resulting silence on UFO matters does not make sense." Pg. 84
century
03-14-2011, 09:29 PM
Hey Lear, what do you think of Jim Dilettoso's story about the finger in the bag on his front gate, and the Ninja footprints in his front yard?
Did that shit really happen?
Talks about the bag at about 3:20....
fpJ9wPXIfzU
johnlear
03-14-2011, 09:33 PM
More Alexander Gem's:
"Contrary to Hollywood hype, there are binding treaties
that call for immediate worldwide public release of information should the
existence of ET be confirmed." Pg.142
(Does John really believe this?)
"There is a great deal of misinformation about the
Apollo missions and UFO's. While several Apollo astronauts claim to have seen
UFO's, none of those sightings that remain unexplained were during the Apollo
flights. Pg. 143
(John, the misinformation is that the Apollo missions went
to the moon! :))
"The Apollo program was far more important than just
going to the moon-it was about technological dominance of the entire world.
Nothing, repeat nothing, that could be contemplated was left to chance."
Pg. 143
(Including the fact that it ever went!)
"There were contingency plans for every conceivable
exigency. Yet, none of these included what to say to ET's if they were
encountered. That alone clearly spells out what the government knew about the topic." Pg. 143
"While NASA remains unaware of any contact with ET's,
there are people who believe that a UFO has been reverse-engineered."
Pg.143
(No John, the UFO propulsion system was far too advanced for
any reverse-engineering. :))
"..points to the conclusion that many of the craft that
are seen tend to be in advance of current technology, but not beyond the
understanding of human consciousness. In other words, they are a few years, or possible decades, ahead of extent capability, but not the ultra-intelligent
leaps that are often attributed to them. That means the commonly used phrase 'that they are a thousand years ahead of us' is wrong." Pg. 229
(John, would you believe hundreds of thousands of years? A
million years? A billion years? A billion-billion years? John, get a grip. :))
'It would be an understatement to suggest that the process
for release of the MJ-12 documents was extremely strange and makes little sense. For purposes of discussion of the elements that make the whole Majestic scheme highly unlikely...few people have ever heard of this organization." Pg. 124
(John, my source for the existence of MJ-12 is General James
H. Doolittle who said "It exists but I can't say anymore about it."
Have Blue was a DARPA project, executed by Ben Rich at the
Lockheed Skunk works. It began in 1976 and the first flight was during December of 1977. That ended and a follow-on program Senior Trend, began. Those programs eventually led to the F-117, which was erroneously called a Stealth Fighter, and first operational capability was achieved in October 1983."
"In fact, by 1986, before the F-117 was revealed, Testors, a model company, released a kit called the F-19 based on what they believed was a stealth fighter." Pg. 88
(John. Your memory must be failing. I have told you several
times that the F-117A was a cover for the F-19. The F-19 was a bat winged
fighter that had commonality with the F-117A. That commonality is what helped keep the existence of the F-19 from Congress and POTUS. It was a scam by Ben Rich to see if, in cooperation with the U.S. Navy, they could produce 64 airplanes of a completely different type and hide the development and production costs within another program, the F-117A. They succeeded and most F-19's went to the U.S. Navy and a few went to Israel. As I told you, but you have conveniently forgotten, Ben Rich was the highest ranking Mossad spy on the west coast.)
"As indicated there are several institutions that might have legitimate interest in UFO's. We have explored the most popular one, the Department of Defense. While many will disagree with this statement, there is no big black UFO program there."
(Sure John. Like Oswald shot President Kennedy? Who are you
trying to kid?)
Thanks for posting the quotes, JL. i tend agree with most of your comments.
johnlear
03-14-2011, 09:51 PM
Hey Lear, what do you think of Jim Dilettoso's story about the finger in the bag on his front gate, and the Ninja footprints in his front yard?
Did that shit really happen?
Talks about the bag at about 3:20....
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I believe it did but I didn't see it myself. All I know is that I got a frantic call from Wendelle to meet him at McCarran. I picked him up and he told me I had to take him to the Greyhound bus station. On the way he tells me the whole story and that the photos of S-4 had been placed in a coin operated locker at the bus station. We got to the bus station, Wendelle had a the key in his pocket, and he frantically, I mean frantically starts looking for the locker number to match the key. There were no locker numbers matching the numbers on the key. So we asked the guy in charge there what the deal was and he told us that the entire locker system had been changed a couple of weeks prior and that everybody with an old key had been given a new key. Supposedly. Anyway Wendelle was distraught about not finding the photos and asked me to take him back to the airport which I did. And thats all I know about the story.
johnlear
03-14-2011, 09:58 PM
Before I continue with Alexander's Gem,s here are the notes I took on Feb 19, 2011 when
John called me to whine:
I just got a call from John today, 1205pm Pacific, February 19, 2011.
He didn't sound good, like he had the flu or something. He
kept saying he couldn't stay on the phone because he 'lost' a few
friends this morning and was going out to look for them.
He wanted me to know that:
(1) He was not the new Phil Klass
(2) That MJ-12 did not exist
(3) That both Bob Lazar and I were lying
(4) That he believed the 911/19 hijacker story was true
(5) That his degree was NOT in Physics but in behavioral science
(This last fact explains a lot.)
(6) he confirmed that a few saucer sightings were legitimate
It was a short conversation, about 7 or 8 minutes. He ended
the call by saying he was going out to look for his missing friends and
his last words to me were 'Have fun." This was in reference to George
Knapps upcoming interview with him tomorrow night on C2C and about which I
told him "I can hardly wait." ;)
johnlear
03-14-2011, 10:20 PM
Here are some more quotes from Alexander's book. I am using one of
my early drafts which did not have the pages numbers on it. I can't find the
final. So if you need a page number for a particular quote please go over
to OMF and get it there on my thread about JA. Thanks.
A reminder: John's comments are in quotes, mine in parentheses.
"Some of the large triangles were routinely observed in
the early 1980s and would certainly be known by now.""Clearly, UFO sightings are but a subset of a multifarious macrocosm of phenomena. These, when examined in a broader context, suggest that emergent patterns are discernible. These seem to intimate there exists sentience that lies beyond current comprehension, yet controls the presentation of seemingly improbable observations."
(We see it....but can't understand it? Say what? :))
Talking about MILBAS or Military abductions:
"The list of involved personnel goes on and on. Since
it is claimed that these illegal operations have been conducted for many years,
and since personnel rotate of a frequent basis, there would have to be
thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people involved over time. Where are
they? Why have we not heard from one whistle blower about MILAB? The reason is because it does not exist, nor has it ever existed."
(One joke circulating among MILAB perpetrators: How do you
tell if it's a MILAB or ET abductions. Well if you wake up and see a non-com
sipping coffee in the dark background it's a MILAB.:))
"There is no reason to conduct them. However, since
there is no statute of limitations on kidnapping, I also highly recommend that
any person who experiences abduction at the hands of anyone, including
purported government agents, report them to multiple law enforcement agencies. That will ensure that no single agency can quash the report. While immediacy would b e preferred, old cases can also be filed."
(Sure, John, sure. I'll go down and report one right now.
Exactly who do I contact at NSA? Would it be the division that takes reports on
MILAB Abductions? Do you have an address or email of the person I am to
contact? :))
"As of the date of the writing of this book there is no plausible evidence that the hypothesized reverse engineering has been accomplished (or even attempted). The notion that the invisible THEY have accomplished the task would beg another critical issue-OWNERSHIP! Even if these stories were true then the reverse engineering most likely would have been derived by material from a crash that was recovered by come U.S. Government agency, probably the Army or Air Force. If so, the property belongs to the U.S. Government, and by fiat, the American people. That would include the rights to benefit from whatever discoveries were made from researching the UFO. If that
energy source did exist it would comprise a gigantic opportunity for the
country to solve many of the massive socioeconomic problems facing us,
including both energy independence and financial stability. While ARV (Alien
Replicated Vehicle) might be rocket science, understanding this conspiracy
theory is not. I will let common sense guide the reader as to the verisimilitude of the concept that THEY have successfully reverse engineered a UFO and are still withholding it from society"
(John, I think that's what we have been trying to tell you.
Are you listening? And why do you always leave the U.S. Navy out of picture?
:))
"After all, there were stories about how quickly
military response teams arrived at UFO rash sites and other incidents. To
accomplish that task, it would be through DIA that the networks were
coordinated-if they ever existed."
(Oh!! DIA?? I would have never thought of that John. :))
johnlear
03-14-2011, 10:37 PM
John's Gems, the height of ignorance
"The same "source" gave us a rather convoluted story about ET and his involvement in the project. He went into substantial detail about his induction into the program that had taken place at an underground facility at Los Alamos. The numbers of people he suggested were involved in the program were hard to believe. It would have been nearly impossible to keep a secret of the magnitude under wraps for half a century. More important, he described a facility that I knew pretty well. Having been in the building he specified, I knew there were no underground bunkers in that facility. Any civilian visitor could have approached and entered that building."
(Oh. OK John, no underground bunkers? So if there were underground bunkers you maintain that you would have known about them? How
about if you hadn't been read into particular program? It might have been more responsible for you to say something like, "If there were underground
bunkers I wasn't aware of them." Or maybe, "Underground bunkers were not apparent to me at my level of classification but could have existed without my knowledge." These instead of, "I knew there were no underground bunkers in that facility." Bunkers? Did your source really say 'bunkers'? Makes you seem a little arrogant if not totally ignorant. Capice?)
Regarding the post above I think that John Alexander used the word 'bunker' to intentionally discredit his source. According to Webster's 21st Century dictionary 'bunker' means:
(1) Storage space for coal etc.
(2) underground shelter against bombs or shells. Again John, I don't think your 'source' used the word 'bunkers'. I think you used it to intentionally mislead your readers which is yet another violation of your promise at the beginning of your book : "I will tell the truth as I know it, and, there will be no intentional
disinformation." Using the word 'bunker' was intentional disinformation to
slyly discredit your 'source'.
When John called me yesterday it seemed that his primary
objection to my posts was that I called
him the 'new Phil Klass'. He whined, "How could I be the new Phil Klass
when I admitted that there were several |(I think he said 47) cases that
appeared real?"
I explained to him that the 'new' Phil Klass would have to admit that several cases were true in order to maintain any credibility at all. But only in the sense that we could never know anything more. Or in John's words:
"I conclude that the UFO observations are manifestations of issues
that are anfractuous and beyond current comprehension."
I abhor name calling. But in this case, there is no other words describing John Alexander other than 'a really dumb ******** *****.' In my opinion.
understanding this conspiracy theory is not (rocket science). I will let common sense guide the reader as to the verisimilitude of the concept that THEY have successfully reverse engineered a UFO and are still withholding it from society
Sorta the whole point of the conspiracy...