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mur
10-10-2009, 11:11 PM
Anybody here seen this yet?

I was a big fan of Leslie Keane's at one point.

See runs the "Coalition for Freedom of Information"

I have a problem with one of the segments, featuring John Callahan.

I voiced my concerns to Leslie Kean a few times.

She is aware of what I'm talking about.

Callahan has embellished his testimony, the CIA never tried to cover-up the JAL incident.

It was front page news at the time, and was covered on TV.

The FAA made everything available publicly.

Maybe because it happen 20 plus years ago, many ufo enthusiast have forgotten, or never bothered to fact check Callahan's testimony.

The JAL case is a great ufo case that does not need Callahan lying about some supposed cover-up that never happened.

Fox and Kean both know that Callahan embellished, and or lied, but they have chosen to ignore it.

I know who the CIA guy was in the room and so do Fox, Kean and Callahan.

But they prefer to keep certain things, like this a mystery, because it fits their agenda of "disclosure".

Disclosure is supposed to be about truth, but lying to achieve that result is a fruit of a poisoned tree.

Callahan is a popular figure in ufology, but numerous attempts have been made to bring the CIA guy and Callahan together for a meeting.

Fox, Kean, and Callahan were not interested.

Anybody want to know the CIA guys name?

I think most ufologists would also be surprised to learn that Bruce Macabee was also at the briefing Callahan alleges was cover-up.

Macabee's report on the JAL incident were quite in depth and came out in the spring after the event.

They are available online...just google Macabee JAL

I'm not a debunker, I had my own encounter years ago.

It defies explanation....but if there is such a factual error that I know exists about Callahan, a supposed star witness, what does it say about the rest of the "documentary"?

Are factual errors ignored with other parts?

I know first hand, these factual errors were brought to the attention of Kean in January of 2008.

I guess the point I'm getting at is that you really can't trust the govt, you really can't trust ufology either.

Apparently, both of them lie when it suits their purpose.

That's why I have been know to say, that disclosure won't be what most expect, and won't be the truth, so what's the point?

Nobody wins.

Best to let folks come to the truth on their own.

You can't force truth with lies

Lexion
10-10-2009, 11:44 PM
Prove he is CIA.

mur
10-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Prove he is CIA.


You want me to prove Pandolfi is CIA?

I can't, but that's the guy Callahan refers to

Lexion
10-10-2009, 11:57 PM
Prove I'm not CIA.

mur
10-11-2009, 12:06 AM
I hope you are

Snow Crash
10-11-2009, 12:09 AM
Prove I'm not CIA.

What's the point, when you're OBVIOUSLY DIA ;)

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
10-11-2009, 12:10 AM
Prove any of you exist.

Lexion
10-11-2009, 12:21 AM
I hope you are

Oddly, that's a fun game.

I can say I am.

My military service places me with a
Major North.

Under which, I served.

Can I prove this ?

Yes, and no.

I write stories of my time in combat.

Fanciful ? Yes.

True ? Mostly.

Bullshit ? No.

Prove I exist ?

I'm typing this.

Any questions ?

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
10-11-2009, 12:22 AM
How can I be sure you are typing it as you claim you are? :D
What if you are a figment of my imagination?
:D

Snow Crash
10-11-2009, 12:26 AM
Prove any of you exist.

"I think, therefore I am" - René Descartes

This is an ironically automated response to the event of such a challenge.

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
10-11-2009, 12:28 AM
How do I know you think at all? :D

Snow Crash
10-11-2009, 12:40 AM
How do I know you think at all? :D

Hence the quip about the response being automated.

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
10-11-2009, 12:55 AM
Exactly. Every so called "fact" is something accepted on faith. :D
Even our own existance.
Don't know why I went on that kick though.
:lol:

Martian Exile
10-11-2009, 01:29 AM
I know what I saw man, (pffist urp cough gasp!) like wow man it was really cool, ya know like I just ate some real groovy brownies, and like I saw this shiny thing man and it hovered there like magic man, and like wow man it had dancing pink mastodons on it, and they was playing the Tijuana Brass through their snot locker's and stuff. Saw it with my own eyes man.

Yex
10-11-2009, 03:04 AM
I thought it was this bird in the room

http://www.ufoevidence.org/Researchers/ResearcherPics/Thumbs/Maccabee.jpg

but what do I know

Edit to add

sorry Mur, just read your whole post-started work at 6am and not quite awake yet :)

Oblivion
10-11-2009, 08:03 AM
How can I be sure you are typing it as you claim you are? :D
What if you are a figment of my imagination?
:D

what if you are that gubmint computer in that conspiracy theory i read on some other site, where people claim to talk to it and reply back.

sorry, it was such a shit story i forgot the name.

johnny 5 is alive shit :lol:

boycotteverything
10-11-2009, 09:37 AM
Exactly. Every so called "fact" is something accepted on faith. :D
Even our own existance.
Don't know why I went on that kick though.
:lol:your sophomoric dabble with the concept of Solipsism might have been taken more seriously had you'd spelled 'existence' correctly.

pack3tg0st
10-11-2009, 09:53 AM
ha!

Everyone else but you is a sock

boycotteverything
10-11-2009, 09:55 AM
let's keep that between the two of us.

theeindiee
10-11-2009, 02:34 PM
so then fuck it who cares? Tell them to go fuck a goat. They don't know shit, son.

Alessandra
10-11-2009, 05:45 PM
I watched this last week, I liked it.

Lexion
10-11-2009, 05:47 PM
I watched this last week, I liked it.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Sam.jpg

It's NOT porn !!!

mur
10-11-2009, 06:01 PM
I watched this last week, I liked it.

I wanted to like it, but willful lies just sort of bother me when it's something I care about.

They knowingly lied about Callahan, what else did they knowingly lie about?

It's tainted.

I no longer consider Fox or or Keane credible.


Edit....They did not lie, but they allowed Callahan to lie, when they know better.

Lexion
10-11-2009, 06:05 PM
The state of UFOlogy today.

Sad, it is.

mur
10-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Well...fuck it.....I'm calling them on it.