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skunk
09-29-2009, 03:52 AM
Could you survive without money? (http://men.style.com/details/features/landing?id=content_9817)

In Utah, a modern-day caveman has lived for the better part of a decade on zero dollars a day. People used to think he was crazy

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[offsite:3lh30ysk]DANIEL SUELO LIVES IN A CAVE. UNLIKE THE average American—wallowing in credit-card debt, clinging to a mortgage, terrified of the next downsizing at the office—he isn't worried about the economic crisis. That's because he figured out that the best way to stay solvent is to never be solvent in the first place. Nine years ago, in the autumn of 2000, Suelo decided to stop using money. He just quit it, like a bad drug habit.

His dwelling, hidden high in a canyon lined with waterfalls, is an hour by foot from the desert town of Moab, Utah, where people who know him are of two minds: He's either a latter-day prophet or an irredeemable hobo. Suelo's blog, which he maintains free at the Moab Public Library, suggests that he's both. "When I lived with money, I was always lacking," he writes. "Money represents lack. Money represents things in the past (debt) and things in the future (credit), but money never represents what is present."

On a warm day in early spring, I clamber along a set of red-rock cliffs to the mouth of his cave, where I find a note signed with a smiley face: CHRIS, FEEL FREE TO USE ANYTHING, EAT ANYTHING (NOTHING HERE IS MINE). From the outside, the place looks like a hollowed teardrop, about the size of an Amtrak bathroom, with enough space for a few pots that hang from the ceiling, a stove under a stone eave, big buckets full of beans and rice, a bed of blankets in the dirt, and not much else. Suelo's been here for three years, and it smells like it.

Night falls, the stars wink, and after an hour, Suelo tramps up the cliff, mimicking a raven's call—his salutation—a guttural, high-pitched caw. He's lanky and tan; yesterday he rebuilt the entrance to his cave, hauling huge rocks to make a staircase. His hands are black with dirt, and his hair, which is going gray, looks like a bird's nest, full of dust and twigs from scrambling in the underbrush on the canyon floor. Grinning, he presents the booty from one of his weekly rituals, scavenging on the streets of Moab: a wool hat and gloves, a winter jacket, and a white nylon belt, still wrapped in plastic, along with Carhartt pants and sandals, which he's wearing. He's also scrounged cans of tuna and turkey Spam and a honeycomb candle. All in all, a nice haul from the waste product of America. "You made it," he says. I hand him a bag of apples and a block of cheese I bought at the supermarket, but the gift suddenly seems meager.

Suelo lights the candle and stokes a fire in the stove, which is an old blackened tin, the kind that Christmas cookies might come in. It's hooked to a chain of soup cans segmented like a caterpillar and fitted to a hole in the rock. Soon smoke billows into the night and the cave is warm. I think of how John the Baptist survived on honey and locusts in the desert. Suelo, who keeps a copy of the Bible for bedtime reading, is satisfied with a few grasshoppers fried in his skillet.

HE WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY. SUELO graduated from the University of Colorado with a degree in anthropology, he thought about becoming a doctor, he held jobs, he had cash and a bank account. In 1987, after several years as an assistant lab technician in Colorado hospitals, he joined the Peace Corps and was posted to an Ecuadoran village high in the Andes. He was charged with monitoring the health of tribespeople in the area, teaching first aid and nutrition, and handing out medicine where needed; his proudest achievement was delivering three babies. The tribe had been getting richer for a decade, and during the two years he was there he watched as the villagers began to adopt the economics of modernity. They sold the food from their fields—quinoa, potatoes, corn, lentils—for cash, which they used to purchase things they didn't need, as Suelo describes it. They bought soda and white flour and refined sugar and noodles and big bags of MSG to flavor the starchy meals. They bought TVs. The more they spent, says Suelo, the more their health declined. He could measure the deterioration on his charts. "It looked," he says, "like money was impoverishing them."

The experience was transformative, but Suelo needed another decade to fashion his response. He moved to Moab and worked at a women's shelter for five years. He wanted to help people, but getting paid for it seemed dishonest—how real was help that demanded recompense? The answer lay, in part, in the Christianity of his childhood. In Suelo's nascent philosophy, following Jesus meant adopting the hard life prescribed in the Sermon on the Mount. "Giving up possessions, living beyond credit and debt," Suelo explains on his blog, "freely giving and freely taking, forgiving all debts, owing nobody a thing, living and walking without guilt . . . grudge [or] judgment." If grace was the goal, Suelo told himself, then it had to be grace in the classical sense, from the Latin gratia, meaning favor—and also, free.

By 1999, he was living in a Buddhist monastery in Thailand—he had saved just enough money for the flight. From there, he made his way to India, where he found himself in good company among the sadhus, the revered ascetics who go penniless for their gods. Numbering as many as 5 million, the sadhus can be found wandering roads and forests across the subcontinent, seeking enlightenment in self-abnegation. "I wanted to be a sadhu," Suelo says. "But what good would it do for me to be a sadhu in India? A true test of faith would be to return to one of the most materialistic, money-worshipping nations on earth and be a sadhu there. To be a vagabond in America, a bum, and make an art of it—the idea enchanted me."

THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE IN SUELO'S cave for two, so I sleep in the open, at the edge of a hundred-foot cliff. No worries about animals, he says. Though mountain lions drink from the stream, and bobcats hunt rabbits under the cottonwoods, the worst he's experienced was a skunk that sprayed him in the face. Mice scurry over his body in the cave, and kissing bugs sometimes suck the blood from under his fingernails while he sleeps. He shrugs off these indignities. "After all, it's their cave too," he says. I hunker down near a nest of scorpions, which crawl up the canyon walls, ignoring me.

The morning ritual is simple and slow: a cup of sharp tea brewed from the needles of piñon and juniper trees, a swim in the cold emerald water where the creek pools in the red rock. Then, two naked cavemen lounging under the Utah sun. Around noon, we forage along the banks and under the cliffs, looking for the stuff of a stir-fry dinner. We find mustard plants among the rocks, the raw leaves as satisfying as cauliflower, and down in the cool of the creek—where Suelo gets his water and takes his baths (no soap for him) —we cull watercress in heads as big as supermarket lettuce, and on the bank we spot a lode of wild onions, with bulbs that pop clean from the soil. In leaner times, Suelo's gatherings include ants, grubs, termites, lizards, and roadkill. He recently found a deer, freshly run over, and carved it up and boiled it. "The best venison of my life," he says.

I tell him that living without money seems difficult. What about starvation? He's never gone without a meal (friends in Moab sometimes feed him). What about getting deadly ill? It happened once, after eating a cactus he misidentified—he vomited, fell into a delirium, thought he was dying, even wrote a note for those who would find his corpse. But he got better. That it's hard is exactly the point, he says. "Hardship is a good thing. We need the challenge. Our bodies need it. Our immune systems need it. My hardships are simple, right at hand—they're manageable." When I tell him about my rent back in New York—$2,400 a month—he shakes his head. What's left unsaid is that I'm here writing about him to make money, for a magazine that depends for its survival on the advertising revenue of conspicuous consumption. As he prepares a cooking fire, Suelo tells me that years ago he had a neighbor in the canyon, an alcoholic who lived in a cave bigger than his. The old man would pan for gold in the stream and net enough cash each month to buy the beer that kept him drunk. Suelo considers the riches of our own forage. "What if we saw gold for what it is?" he says meditatively. "Gold is pretty but virtually useless. Somebody decided it has worth, and everybody accepted this decision. The natives in the Americas thought Europeans were insane because of their lust for such a useless yellow substance."

He sautés the watercress, mustard leaves, and wild onions, mixing in fresh almonds he picked from a friend's orchard and ghee made from Dumpster-dived butter, and we eat out of his soot-caked pans. From the perch on the cliff, the life of the sadhu seems reasonable. But I don't want to live in a cave. I like indoor plumbing (Suelo squats). I like electricity. Still, there's an obvious beauty in the simplicity of subsistence. It's an un-American notion these days. We don't revere our ascetics, and we dismiss the idea that money could be some kind of consensual delusion. For most of us, it's as real as the next house payment. Suelo doesn't take public assistance or use food stamps, but he does survive in part on our reality, the discarded surfeit of the money system that he denounces—a system, as it happens, that recently looked like it was headed for the cliff.

Suelo is 48, and he doesn't exactly have a 401(k). "I'll do what creatures have been doing for millions of years for retirement," he says. "Why is it sad that I die in the canyon and not in the geriatric ward well-insured? I have great faith in the power of natural selection. And one day, I will be selected out." Until then, think of him like the raven, cleaning up the carcasses the rest of us leave behind.[/offsite:3lh30ysk]

pack3tg0st
09-29-2009, 05:04 AM
fuck dude... that's hardcore...

I admire what he's done...

but I don't think I could do it...

KIWI
09-29-2009, 05:16 AM
the worst he's experienced was a skunk that sprayed him in the face.

....he aint alone there! :lol: .....great post skunk, getting better by the minute 8)


get on his blog and sign him up to Amkon 8)

guinnessford
09-29-2009, 08:42 AM
Im pretty close after my lady gets my check, but hell yeah thats a role model right there!

Snow Crash
09-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Im pretty close after my lady gets my check, but hell yeah thats a role model right there!

Not a roll model...?

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 12:37 PM
you say it's only rock 'n role but ah like it, like it. yes ah do!

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Cogburn
09-29-2009, 02:35 PM
Nice steel toed boots and eyeglasses.

There still must be an economy somewhere to support the manufacturing and distribution of all the things that compose his "free" lifestyle.

What a bunch of bullshit.

skunk
09-29-2009, 02:54 PM
He's a scavenger cogburn. He survives without money.

He's an intellectual bum who lives in a cave as opposed to a dumpster. Its an upgrade.

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 03:06 PM
... and where did the shit he found in the dumpster come from?

You miss my point entirely.

Lexion
09-29-2009, 03:09 PM
... and where did the shit he found in the dumpster come from?

You miss my point entirely.

I got your point.

Why is he not wearing the fur from
an animal he killed.

Living off the land should not
include dumpsters.

Edit : Left a word out.

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 03:17 PM
his only point is living without money. you can do that in a cave or in the middle of a city. i think it's a worthwhile experiment.

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 03:20 PM
What is money, if not a paper fantasy?

He's not self-sufficient... he's more dependent on society than any of us; he lives only on what we discard. What if we discarded nothing? He's fucked.

I know bums that live just fine on hand-me-downs and handouts. This guy is special because he's not mentally unstable or an addict?

Impress me: live in a city without money and without relying on the conventions of modern economies. Otherwise you're just another homeless person.

The article is little else but spin.

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 03:22 PM
You miss my point entirely.he didn't miss your point- you missed his.

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Not hardly. There's just nothing special here.

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boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 03:25 PM
special? who can say? but interesting.

pack3tg0st
09-29-2009, 04:06 PM
Captain Cogburn!

Defender of the Status Quo!

The enemy of heterodoxy!

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boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 04:23 PM
whatever it takes to feel secure, i guess.

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 04:56 PM
I suppose that the garden growing, beer brewing, Ren Fair cosplaying, aspiring garage inventor, linux using, Microsoft boycotting Captain iPhone can't possibly be his own stereotype. I mean... you just don't meet people like in every coffee house across the country, right?

I am not the defender of the status quo, I am the status quo.... and so are you.

What I don't do is pretend that I'm something other than exactly what I am.

Reality is a harsh mistress. :)

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 04:59 PM
I am the status quo.isn't that what he said? man, i gotta get off this popsicle stand of a planet...

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 05:11 PM
It was a further clarification. I do more than defend it... I understand how, in living as I do, I maintain it.

Unfortunately the only success of "counter culture" would be the denial that there are 1,000,000 others just like them and they really aren't all that different, after all.

What's more important: living as you believe with as little hypocrisy as possible, or adding another "personality trait" because it makes you feel less like the herd?

I say the former; the latter means little else but changing herds.

Perhaps your answer differs.

Take a double dose of Fucitol and relax. It's just dialectic, right?

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 05:13 PM
It was a further clarification. I do more than defend it... I understand how, in living as I do, I maintain it.all i can say is, 'YIKES!'

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 05:17 PM
Had I the benefit of your perspective, I might even agree.... but I don't.

My daughter is still years from marriage and I still may yet have more years ahead of me than behind.

Status quo has its place and always has. It is in my recognition of that very fact that will allow me to turn around and abandon it once I have completed taking advantage of it.

It could be well argued that the world is so "messed up" because more folks don't appreciate that fact.

pack3tg0st
09-29-2009, 05:37 PM
It's just dialectic, right?

Sounds more like ad hominem.

There's a difference between having common traits amongst others... and defending the status quo.

You defended the status quo.

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 06:11 PM
status quo is the borg

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 06:13 PM
Relish the status quo as Satanists relish Jesus Christ.

Few around here would have anything to talk about without it.

pack3tg0st
09-29-2009, 06:19 PM
LOL cog...

there will always be a status quo...

its kind of impossible to NOT have one.

now, changing the current status quo is what needs to be done...

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 06:26 PM
now, changing the current status quo is what needs to be done...resisting it is
enough

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 06:32 PM
... and that requires an intimate understanding of how it operates currently. Such intricate level of understanding rarely comes from outside of any given system. To do otherwise is to just take blind swings at misconceptions and falsehoods. That goes for "resistance" or "dismantling".

To rebel against "the status quo" is to rebel against that upon which you stand in order to voice your rebellion.

As you said, the "status quo" changes, or we would still be living with slaves... but then that took a war to resolve, didn't it? Shall I expect you on my doorstep? Or perhaps because I disagree with you I am welcome to come and blow up your house to voice my discontent?

... oh wait ... we only save such behavior for "impersonal" corporations with whom we may disagree ... but then we live in a burgeoning police state so I guess it doesn't matter.

The "status quo" is a lie... it is you and it is I.

Perspective, man.

KIWI
09-29-2009, 07:51 PM
my bible for years as a kid was "My Side of The Moutain"....to be read after "The Cross and The Switch-blade" and "Of Mice and Men".....all I wanted was to live in a hollow tree and run around in animal skins......reading "The Onion Fields" a few years later reinforced my original plan.........society is pre-dominantly mad sad and bad.....its in your head where the tables get turned , .......and the computer he blogs from, in the local library?, I wonder how the rate-paying citizens, whose hard-earned cash supports it, feel about that?

Read "Even Cow-girls Get The Blues"......this guy aint no "Chink"

boycotteverything
09-29-2009, 07:55 PM
resistance isn't rebellion. it's just not buying a ticket to the bread and circus show.

Cogburn
09-29-2009, 08:04 PM
How do you know how to make young girls giggle?

Time, patience, and an understanding of the object of your attention.

Your intent as to why you wish to make her laugh is up to you, and therein lies the difference between resistance and rebellion.

KIWI
09-29-2009, 08:08 PM
his actions seem to be viewed as some sort of "major statement"..........the social destruction of native peoples is what has lead him to the cave, ....dont you think if his convictions are that strong he would be still be working 3rd world?, trying to give at least a balance to those people????...........he looks to most like a martyr, his lot, in reality, is the easy -out

sure wouldnt want to be in the library the same day as that smelly fukka :?

Ocean
09-29-2009, 09:56 PM
WARNING!
FLUFFY POST AHEAD!

Mr. Suelo, and his bourgeoisie capitalist pig/dog-manufactured spectacles represents a huge segment of misguided incarnated souls trapped in a beat-the-system game which is nothing more than a diversion from the most important battle of all... the tyranny of the ego.

What profiteth it a man to gain a block of cheese by the sweat of someone else's brow? This is an ego gone mad - shoplifting from a world naive enough to wink at his eccentric deathstyle. As long as he doesn't notice the beauty of the hearts who feed him - he's a goner.

Plus - he's a re-gifter!

(I still don't know what "dialectic" means. Meh.)

torbjon
09-29-2009, 10:18 PM
I dig on Status Quo

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KIWI
09-29-2009, 11:02 PM
Plus - he's a re-gifter!

(I still don't know what "dialectic" means. Meh.)


smite for Ocean....twice

first for quoting "Seinfeld".........along with "M.A.S.H", the best shit around....."still"

Dialectic?.........a term bandied by the puesdo interlects to make up for their general inadequacies and grasp of reality.....a "crippled-fart" in the void , if you will :lol:

lala
09-29-2009, 11:17 PM
Survive without money maybe, live off others good will, 3 years and he carn't sort anything better that a stink cave . . . and uses the library weekly, more good will, who he kidding . . . you would think he wouldn't have to advertist his status to all . . . . martyr in his own mind . . . help to no one!

guinnessford
09-29-2009, 11:48 PM
Im pretty close after my lady gets my check, but hell yeah thats a role model right there!

Not a roll model...?

Only if hes going downhill, like me

"He's an intellectual bum who lives in a cave as opposed to a dumpster. Its an upgrade."

Like Bin Laden, right?

Hes got dialysis machines in his cave.

Or did anyways

"Reality is a harsh mistress. :)"

Until you stick it in her ass and wipe it on her upper lip, then its all cool again.

Or just pee in her butt.

Martian Exile
09-30-2009, 12:04 AM
Understand folks that every swinging dick in Santa Barbara is a yuppie.

Santa Barbara is the most pretentious plastic puffed up city in the US.


(Oh, and I too lived as a hermit in a miners shack in the mountains of Death Valley for ten years, but not by dumpster diving.)

guinnessford
09-30-2009, 12:13 AM
I only passed thru S.B. briefly, and honestly only saw a small bit of the populous.

It did seem a bit "plastic" to me at the time.

although under the influence of ecstasy at the time, my perception wasnt that far off.

Ive never met either you or Cog, but neither of you seem to be of the plastic persuasion....

Cogburn
09-30-2009, 12:16 AM
I'm not a native, but you do have to learn to ignore the natives, however. They are quite primitive and tribal, however most are harmless.

... and if you actually listen to the words that come out of their mouth you might get so pissed off you'll miss the reason why anyone comes here at all.

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guinnessford
09-30-2009, 12:18 AM
That was the 2nd reason I went Cog.

Unfortunately, a woman was the first.

Im from Boston, so im real good at ignoring people.

Thats like the state motto I think. something to do with ignorance

anarch
08-22-2010, 10:35 PM
FREEGANS!!!

skunk
08-23-2010, 12:50 AM
Hobos!