For Cog: WW2 links.

[mojo]

For Cog.

not sure if you've come across some of this during your research, but some of it may be relevant.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/index.htm

http://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-263-cia-records/rg-263-zimmer.html

http://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust/finding-aid/military/rg-226-1.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB150/index.htm

http://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-330-defense-secretary/

just some links i had sitting idle in my gehlen/dulles folder. :)

[skunk]

mojo, do you realize this topic can be seen by guests?

I think I fixed it...

[Cogburn]

When tracing the movements of various Nazi science personnel post-war, one of the first things I did was pour through "standard" accounts of Nazi's escaping prosecution for hints as to how such travel was possible given the state of Europe at the time. A lot of that stuff was referenced in one of the best books on Eichmann ever written, "The House on Garibaldi Street".

But Guido Zimmer is a fantastic find! That piece is a perfect illustration of how such escapes were possible due to the interpersonal connections of various Nazi officials.

The real goldmine is the document collection of RG330. There's something like 200,000 pages of documents in that collection, and I've only ever seen a handful. Notice the last sentences in the article...
[offsite:1vcbkxlf]Not included among the dossiers is one for rocket scientist Wernher von Braun. It was never transferred to NARA.[/offsite:1vcbkxlf]
I'd have to dig up my research, but there are 3 or 4 other well-known scientists that are not included in the dossiers. It's what's missing that is more revealing that what is there.

Good shit, mojo.

I've put down Paperclip for a minute because I've gotten a line of research on someone who might potentially be one of the founders of the Thule Society (if not the founder himself) and one of Hitler's "secret" occult advisers.

I deem it "secret" because the guy was so well known he lived in California and was watched by the FBI and CIA for nearly 30 years after the war ended.

I don't wanna spill the beans until I have all my ducks in a row. :)

[guinnessford]

Hey Cog, do you beleive in the theory that the higher ups knew the attack on P.H. was coming?

And of course the other stuff about financing both sides, and all the nazis that were possibly snuck into the country?

Ive just started lookin at some of the ww2 stuff and Ive got to say, its pretty fascinating

[Lexion]

Didn't Komler (sp?) disappear, too ?

No war crimes filed on him,
no mention in Paperclip.

[Cogburn]

Hey Cog, do you beleive in the theory that the higher ups knew the attack on P.H. was coming?

And of course the other stuff about financing both sides, and all the nazis that were possibly snuck into the country?

Ive just started lookin at some of the ww2 stuff and Ive got to say, its pretty fascinating
Have you ever seen Tora! Tora! Tora! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/synopsis)?

It was a propaganda piece put out in 1970 to pervert public opinion regarding foreknowledge of the attacks on Pearl Harbor.

Most every "discussion" about our ignorance of those attacks is based not on fact, but on that film.

There's a book published a few years ago called Day of Deceit (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743201299/theindepeende-20) that you'll find fascinating if you're interested in the subject. The author gives some pretty compelling evidence that FDR made it "easy" for the Japanese to choose Pearl Harbor as a target, but there's a significant portion of the book that is based on FOIA documents that prove, without a doubt, that FDR knew about the attacks almost two weeks before they happened while the Japanese fleet was still en route to Oahu.

The book makes Tora! Tora! Tora! look as much like propaganda as John Wayne's Green Berets.

[guinnessford]

My interest has been getting larger in the past few months, especially where it kind of mirrors what may have happened here a few years back.

I havent seen it, but its now on my list to download.

What I have gathered in the few weeks Ive been looking, is the embargos, the monies that were frozen, and political "taunting" if you will.

Enough to get a country pissed off at you.

And the large percentage of Amerikan at the time shown to be in opposition of entering the war was astounding, kinda needed to pulla fight club office scene where he beats the shit out of himself to get severance pay.

By ignoring warnings, and pokin at them, we kinda kicked our own asses there by letting it happen.

The amount of people we have lost in the name of power and money just fukkin stupifies me.

Even more than I already am on fri nite with a few Guinnesses.

Thanks, Cog