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lala
09-15-2009, 08:57 AM
A giant man-eating bird that appears in ancient Maori legends did actually exist, according to new research. . . . They seem to discovered evidence of a extinct eagle . . . there are still maori story about the eagles, that are still being passing down . . . there is a pic of the birds skull at the link . . . :D


[offsite:2x0i6rut]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6185730/Legendary-man-eating-New-Zealand-bird-did-exist.html

The Te Hokioi was described as a huge black-and-white predator with a red crest and yellow-green tinged wingtips, in an account given to Sir George Gray, an early governor of New Zealand.

Scientists now think the stories handed down by word of mouth and depicted in rock drawings refer to Haast's eagle, a raptor that became extinct just 500 years ago.


Haast's eagle (Harpagornis moorei) was discovered in swamp deposits by Sir Julius von Haast in the 1870s, the Independent reports.

It was at first thought to be a scavenger because its bill was similar to a vulture's with hoods over its nostrils to stop flesh blocking its air passages as it rooted around inside carcasses.

But a re-examination of skeletons using modern technology, including CAT scans, by researchers at Canterbury Museum in Christchurch and the University of New South Wales in Australia showed it had a strong enough pelvis to deliver a deadly blow as it dived at speeds of up to 80kph.

The bird has a wingspan of up to three metres and weighed 18kg. It was twice the size of the largest living eagle and its talons were as big as a tiger's claws.

"It was certainly capable of swooping down and taking a child," said Paul Scofield, the curator of vertebrate zoology at the Canterbury Museum.

"They had the ability to not only strike with their talons but to close the talons and put them through quite solid objects such as a pelvis. It was designed as a killing machine."

Its main prey would have been moa, flightless birds which grew to as much as 250kg and 2.5 metres tall.

"In some fossil sites, moa bones have been found with signs of eagle predation," Dr Scofield said.

New Zealand has no native land mammals because it became isolated from other continents in the Cretaceous, more than 65 million years ago.

As a result, birds filled niches usually populated by large mammals such as deer and cattle.

"Haast's eagle wasn't just the equivalent of a giant predatory bird," said Dr Scofield. "It was the equivalent of a lion."

The eagle is thought to have died out after the arrival, 1000 years ago, of humans, who exterminated the giant moa.[/offsite:2x0i6rut]

lala
09-15-2009, 09:04 AM
Sorry link won't play the game tried twice . . . have to cut and paste . . .unless someone clever like to sort, I put the pic on now anyway :D

[attachment=0:2hef4mzg]skull_1480853c.jpg[/attachment:2hef4mzg]

Lexion
09-15-2009, 11:23 AM
Here Ya Go Lala (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6185730/Legendary-man-eating-New-Zealand-bird-did-exist.html)

Cool story.

:D

boycotteverything
09-15-2009, 11:39 AM
http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/r/Q/1/thunderbird.jpg

mojo
09-15-2009, 11:59 AM
nice one lala, hadn't heard of that before.
i love the ancient or in some cases not so ancient mega fauna from various continents and their different evolutionary paths.
extract some dna and send it that dude that wants to grow dinosaurs from chicken eggs.

boycotteverything
09-15-2009, 12:17 PM
the notorious 'thunderbird' of the American west fits into that paradigm. still being reported!
http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/raptor-like-bird-sightings-thunderbird-pteratorn-monster-or-myth/offbeat-news

mojo
09-15-2009, 12:21 PM
the notorious 'thunderbird' of the American west fits into that paradigm. still being reported!
http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/raptor-like-bird-sightings-thunderbird-pteratorn-monster-or-myth/offbeat-news

ever heard of the flying snakes early settlers to the america's reported seeing?

pretty cool, though i got assreamed in a debate on serpent mythology when i tried to use it once at all the sheeple.

boycotteverything
09-15-2009, 12:47 PM
They did exist! Recently read this great article by Jerry Clark- http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/1975/sky_serpents.html

http://photos.forteantimes.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_8/fortean_times_4135_7.jpg

mojo
09-15-2009, 12:51 PM
nah mate don't bother then, i'm talking about some realistic reports.

later.

boycotteverything
09-15-2009, 01:00 PM
nah mate don't bother then, i'm talking about some realistic reports.

later. Read the article. That's exactly what it's about.


SERPENTS IN THE SKY
But let us return to the more or less classic dragons of 19th-century America: the ones that flew, with or without wings. In honour of their marine counterparts, we’ll call them sky serpents, though not all of them were serpents. Consider this tale, credited to lumberjacks Thomas Camp and Joseph Howard. The two were cutting wood five miles (8km) northeast of Hurleton, California, at 4 pm on 10 March 1882, when events took a decidedly odd turn. The Gridley Herald quotes their testimony from a letter they wrote to the newspaper:

“We were startled by the sound of many wings flapping in the air. Looking up, we perceived passing over our head, not more than 40ft [12m] above the tree tops, a creature that looked something like a crocodile. It was, to the best of our judgment, not less than 18ft [5.5m] in length, and would measure 2ft [61cm] across the body from the head to the tail, a distance of probably 12ft [3.6m]. The tail was about 4ft [1.2m] long, and tapered from the body to a point probably 8in [20cm] wide. The head was in the neighbourhood of 2ft in length and the jaws (for its mouth was open) could not have been less than 16in [41cm] long. On each side of the body, between the head and the tail were six wings, each projecting between 18in [46cm] or 2ft [61cm] from the body. As near as we could see, these wings were about 15in [38cm] broad and appeared
to be formed similar to a duck’s foot. On the other part of the body we counted 12 feet, six on a side.”

When Howard fired a shotgun round, the pellets rattled as if they had struck sheet iron. The creature itself uttered a “cry similar to that of a calf and bear combined but gave no sign of being inconvenienced or injured”. A “number of Chinamen” also allegedly saw the thing. The Herald concluded the account with a statement affirming that Campbell and Howard were “reliable men” who should be taken at their word.

skunk
09-15-2009, 01:03 PM
ever heard of the flying snakes early settlers to the america's reported seeing?


Yeah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysopelea)

mojo
09-15-2009, 01:09 PM
nah mate don't bother then, i'm talking about some realistic reports.

later. Read the article. That's exactly what it's about.


SERPENTS IN THE SKY
But let us return to the more or less classic dragons of 19th-century America: the ones that flew, with or without wings. In honour of their marine counterparts, we’ll call them sky serpents, though not all of them were serpents. Consider this tale, credited to lumberjacks Thomas Camp and Joseph Howard. The two were cutting wood five miles (8km) northeast of Hurleton, California, at 4 pm on 10 March 1882, when events took a decidedly odd turn. The Gridley Herald quotes their testimony from a letter they wrote to the newspaper:

“We were startled by the sound of many wings flapping in the air. Looking up, we perceived passing over our head, not more than 40ft [12m] above the tree tops, a creature that looked something like a crocodile. It was, to the best of our judgment, not less than 18ft [5.5m] in length, and would measure 2ft [61cm] across the body from the head to the tail, a distance of probably 12ft [3.6m]. The tail was about 4ft [1.2m] long, and tapered from the body to a point probably 8in [20cm] wide. The head was in the neighbourhood of 2ft in length and the jaws (for its mouth was open) could not have been less than 16in [41cm] long. On each side of the body, between the head and the tail were six wings, each projecting between 18in [46cm] or 2ft [61cm] from the body. As near as we could see, these wings were about 15in [38cm] broad and appeared
to be formed similar to a duck’s foot. On the other part of the body we counted 12 feet, six on a side.”

When Howard fired a shotgun round, the pellets rattled as if they had struck sheet iron. The creature itself uttered a “cry similar to that of a calf and bear combined but gave no sign of being inconvenienced or injured”. A “number of Chinamen” also allegedly saw the thing. The Herald concluded the account with a statement affirming that Campbell and Howard were “reliable men” who should be taken at their word.

thats hardly a realistic report.

18ft long, give me a break.
there are better anecdotal evidence of flying snakes/serpents.
there are snakes that are able to glide from tree's (not in the US), their skin stretches out into kind of flaps, and there are earlier reports of 4 to 5 ft snakes with small flaps or wings (in the US during colonisation).


an 18ft creature like that described above would not be able to fly.

Bellsonrich
09-15-2009, 04:17 PM
Be so much fun to have those around now.

lala
09-15-2009, 10:55 PM
Here Ya Go Lala (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6185730/Legendary-man-eating-New-Zealand-bird-did-exist.html)

Cool story.

:D


Cheers for that Lex . . . :D