I "know" nothing and neither do you.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Don't know where the fuck to park this so I parked it here. Methinks we need a philosophy and psychology forum.

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”
-Socrates


Main Entry: 1know
Pronunciation: \?n?\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): knew \?nü also ?nyü\ ; known \?n?n\ ; know·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cn?wan; akin to Old High German bichn?an to recognize, Latin gnoscere, noscere to come to know, Greek gign?skein
Date: before 12th century
transitive verb
1 a (1): to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2): to have understanding of mportance of knowing oneself> (3): to recognize the nature of : discern b (1): to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2): to be acquainted or familiar with (3): to have experience of
2 a: to be aware of the truth or factuality of : be convinced or certain of b: to have a practical understanding of
3archaic : to have sexual intercourse with
intransitive verb
1: to have knowledge
2: to be or become cognizant —sometimes used interjectionally with you especially as a filler in informal speech
— know·able \?n?-?-b?l\ adjective
— know·er \?n?-?r\ noun
— know from : to have knowledge of

Seriously, you believe you "know" something. But none of us truly "know" anything. And it is when we delude ourselves into believing and stop questioning something that we believe we know anything. Think of everything that mankind has convinced himself that he "knew" through out history. How much of that has been proven incorrect? How can you justify believing yourself somehow better than they? Are you somhow less failable and beyond them? Our senses can be tricked. And we can trick ourselves and if we let them others can trick us.

Just something to consider. A great number of possibilities believed to be impossible can only be dismissed with the incredulity of a peson who has deluded themselves they know *or others they have faith in to "know"* all that is within the realm of "possible".

[Lexion]

Provacative topic. (I butchered that word)

What I know, and what I
would like to know are two
different things.

This should be an interesting
thread.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Thank you.
What's your thoughts?
provocative btw..... :D

[ApolloRising]

Whilst it's true that ultimately we can't 'know' anything besides our own existence in some form (and I'm sure someone's even questioned that logically) that's not to say we should live based on that philosophy. If we spent our lifetimes based on that we'd likely never progress anywhere.

Furthermore, there's things we do 'know' based on the reality which we perceive. Whilst we may not *know* the fabric of the universe, whilst we may not *know* that what's around us really, absolutely, certainly exists it is true that within what we perceive as reality that, for example, the earth is round and orbiting the sun.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

I tend to disagree realising and keeping firmly in mind that in the end we just don't know anything is a good bullwark against such crap that we see going on today.
I live by that philosophy and all it really does is pushes me to constantly question, never leaving anything as a given.
Perception is a very unrealiable window on reality if there is even a objective reality to be found.
It is distorted and colored by what we expect it to be.
And "The Matrix" argument comes blaringly to mind.

Methinks I am rambling.....

[ApolloRising]

But based on that, why post your thoughts at all?

If you really believed you know *nothing* you would have no reason to post this at all, you believe that I'm reading and replying to you and see the interest and benefit there. If you thought you were having a conversation with yourself, then cut out the middle man and don't imagine this website at all. You'd just end up going around in circles because, with the knowledge that you can only be sure of your own existence, logically the next conclusion must be that the only thing that can possibly be surely valued is in your own mind.

I'd say philosophy like that has it's place, but if every NASA scientist woke up like that they'd be imagining space travel from their bedrooms.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

You sir or ma'am are putting words into my mouth.

[theeindiee]

Well, in my opinion... knowledge is nothing without wisdom, and wisdom is more or less eternal and cyclical. Knowledge is just what gets you through the day, so to speak. As long as you are wise to the fact that knowledge is a temporary construct of your mental perception of and/or physical reaction to said proportional reality, than knowledge becomes more like steps in an infinite ladder, which simply allows you to use reason to climb to a higher rung. Also, the idea of correlation between knowledge from earlier and later periods, knowledge from differring fields, prophetic theoretical knowledge of higher steps on the knowledge rung based on the patterns of knowledge already in hand, perhaps long abandoned knowledge which had been misinterpreted and hastily thrown aside... all leads to wisdom about the structure of the flow of knowledge and the nature of ALL... which actually boils down to very simple geometric and mathematical concepts which may or may not underly all of existence... and yada yada just go study Pythagoras or take a bunch of acid or work on transcendental states of meditation, perhaps join a Baphomet Worshiping Cult, or hell ya know what? Just go eat a peach. Don't eat the pears. Those are mine.

My pears num num.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

No. My pears. :lol:

But in all seriousness, the brain doesn't know the difference between the memory of an object and the object it's self.
This bespeaks to me that what is considered "knowledge" is nothing more than strongly held belief.

[Cogburn]

You are the universe sent to experience itself. Originality is the manifest exploration of the possibilities of an infinite universe. To create something unique and original from your own experiences and values is the only "knowing" there is.

It is the true expression of the soul trapped within the physical form that makes it manifest.

What you "know" may then be seen in the works you create.

You may chose to share so that others may "know" what you "know" or you may not. However if you do, you must strive to be as proficient as possible with the media in which you will express yourself.

If that is music, strive to be an expert at guitar or piano or cello. If that is painting, strive to be an expert at watercolors or oils or impressionism. If that is the written word, strive to have an expansive, expressive vocabulary.

The more proficient you are with your tools, the more complexity and accuracy of your unique perspective on the universe you can express within your creation.

Then others may too "know" what you "know" and the universe becomes a slightly better, more beautiful place.

[KIWI]

yep.....Wraiths back :smokin:

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[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Aint it a gas? :lol:

[KIWI]

Aint it a gas? :lol:


:lol: ....oh yeah, if its gas your after, then amkons the North -sea of the contra-toob

[GeneralStriker]

Whilst it's true that ultimately we can't 'know' anything besides our own existence in some form (and I'm sure someone's even questioned that logically) that's not to say we should live based on that philosophy. If we spent our lifetimes based on that we'd likely never progress anywhere.

Furthermore, there's things we do 'know' based on the reality which we perceive. Whilst we may not *know* the fabric of the universe, whilst we may not *know* that what's around us really, absolutely, certainly exists it is true that within what we perceive as reality that, for example, the earth is round and orbiting the sun.the primordial leap from solipsism is the original sin.

[GeneralStriker]

No. My pears. if you had pears you'd have a peach. life's a bitch, eh?

[KIWI]

No. My pears. if you had pears you'd have a peach. life's a bitch, eh?

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[GeneralStriker]

well i guess that's the last word on this thread.

[ApolloRising]

the primordial leap from solipsism is the original sin.

Perhaps, but without having commited that sin we'd still be in the dark ages...


... Sorry what am I saying? We are still in the dark ages.




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[ApolloRising]

You sir or ma'am are putting words into my mouth.

It's 'sir', but I'm not fussed.

My names not even really 'Apollo' believe it or not, so I suppose my gender is pretty inconsequential, though I'm sad to learn my impressive masculinity isn't immediately evident upon speaking to me.

[GeneralStriker]

the primordial leap from solipsism is the original sin.

Perhaps, but without having commited that sin we'd still be in the dark ages...


... Sorry what am I saying? We are still in the dark ages.




(200th post)nah. we're in a movie.

[Cogburn]

nah. we're in a movie.
Can I be Burt Reynolds?

It's all about the mustache...

http://pinv.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/burt-reynolds.jpg

[theeindiee]

Wisdom makes knowledge good.

Knowledge without wisdom, no matter how good the intentions, usually leads to asshattery.

I believe they used to call the latter "black magic". In the days before atheism.

Do not summon what you can't put down, is another good metaphor.

Like all these little dumbasses making nuclear bombs... and now we've got rogue states waddling around, weilding nukes like babies with guns.

Oh no don't be alarmed. It just the end of the world.

Sometimes it makes you wonder.... should the USA become a fanatical socialist regime in order to be able to take on the East?

Just overwhelming numbers of completely zombiefied fanatics, whose religion owes to no God but the State, and if the State says kill... it's as good as God's word. So...



Knowledge without wisdom is mistaking the rung for th ladder. . If you have one wrung all you do is fall and brea yourshit.

[torbjon]

I know what I know - Mr. Spock Linky Dink (http://www.torbtown.com/pod/ttt_022.mp3)

[Royal]

f you can admit you know nothing, then you know everything

[boycotteverything]

f you can admit you know nothing, then you know everythingRoyal- of all the dumb things you've said here over the course of many months, that statement was the dumbest of all.

[boycotteverything]

If you have one wrungone hung low.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

f you can admit you know nothing, then you know everythingRoyal- of all the dumb things you've said here over the course of many months, that statement was the dumbest of all.

Not really but coming from one who spews idiocy with every post I will excuse it. :D

[KIWI]

uh oh......

[boycotteverything]

hahahahah the rat strikes!

[Hazelnut]

The more I think I know, the less convinced I am that I know anything at all. While there are more things I don't know than things I do know, I'm still asking questions. Why? I don't know.

[boycotteverything]

Sometimes nothing is a cool hand. Luke

[guinnessford]

Sometimes nothing is a cool hand. Luke
sometimes a casted hand = nothing, lucas

[boycotteverything]

Man with casted hand end up with very sore dick. Confucius

[guinnessford]

he who go to bed with itchy but wake with smelly finger

[captainkiwi]

The more I think I know, the less convinced I am that I know anything at all. While there are more things I don't know than things I do know, I'm still asking questions. Why? I don't know.

The larger the island of knowledge
the wider the shores of wonder

ergo

the more one knows the less one knows

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.

[Malaprop]

But based on that, why post your thoughts at all?

If you really believed you know *nothing* you would have no reason to post this at all, you believe that I'm reading and replying to you and see the interest and benefit there. If you thought you were having a conversation with yourself, then cut out the middle man and don't imagine this website at all. You'd just end up going around in circles because, with the knowledge that you can only be sure of your own existence, logically the next conclusion must be that the only thing that can possibly be surely valued is in your own mind.

I'd say philosophy like that has it's place, but if every NASA scientist woke up like that they'd be imagining space travel from their bedrooms.

it's all PARADOX, to say "I know nothing" implies that you "know" that you know nothing in the first place

there are alphabet people in a dimension just outside our own, I've talked with them a couple times and they speak backwards-upside-down sortof. I felt them pulling me up and then laughing at me. I don't know much about anything, really, but I think they have the secrets

so knowing that, I just try to fuck around and entertainmyself because I know I'll never really understand anything

God the Creator is the biggest paradox of all. How did the universe and everything exist without someone to create it? All of this couldn't just have magically appeared without a creator, right? Okay, so there must have been a creator.

But, then, if something can't just magically appear without a creator, how did God just magically appear without a creator? I don't know if I can really wrap my head around that one. So either the universe just appeared at random, in all its majesty, or God just appeared at random, in all his majesty. One or the other has to be true, and yet both seem pretty far-fetched.

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[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

hEh. Need to clean this up....

[averagejoe]

You are the universe sent to experience itself. Originality is the manifest exploration of the possibilities of an infinite universe. To create something unique and original from your own experiences and values is the only "knowing" there is.

It is the true expression of the soul trapped within the physical form that makes it manifest.

What you "know" may then be seen in the works you create.

You may chose to share so that others may "know" what you "know" or you may not. However if you do, you must strive to be as proficient as possible with the media in which you will express yourself.

If that is music, strive to be an expert at guitar or piano or cello. If that is painting, strive to be an expert at watercolors or oils or impressionism. If that is the written word, strive to have an expansive, expressive vocabulary.

The more proficient you are with your tools, the more complexity and accuracy of your unique perspective on the universe you can express within your creation.

Then others may too "know" what you "know" and the universe becomes a slightly better, more beautiful place.

Wow, what shite!

Can you prove any of that?

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

Wow, what shite!

Can you prove any of that?

I tend to just skip over cog's posts, but I think he was on to something there.