Hey Jackinthbox... I'm tired of waiting so I did it for you.

[Cogburn]

Jackinthebox has been threatening me with posting the various PMs we've been tossing back and forth. It seems this is "Try To Embarrass Cogburn" week at AmKon so I figure I'll join in the fun, too! Besides, nobody knows me better than me, right?

So at any rate... Jack went from being on a moral high horse about PM conversations to multiple threats to post our PMs. I'm so bored with Jack's continuing nonsense about these PMs, but never quite getting around to it, in the interest of hoping he'll stop sending them I'll just post them myself.

Here's what we've got so far, in date order from oldest first.

Enjoy.

:pound:


Message subject: Take note
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:09 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
I strongly urge you to retract your accusation of plagiarism. Talking smack is one thing, but I will not tolerate being called a liar or a plagiarist.



Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:13 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message
Subject: What is really going on here
My full background got wiped in the Apeci of 2009. All the AmKoids prior to that date know all this. I don't make it a secret, but I don't beat everyone over the head with it, either.

I work for in the Research division of the Healthcare/Science business unit of Thomson-Reuters. My official title is "Senior Research Analyst". This has been verified by John Lear and George Knapp (to their satisfaction, at any rate).

I am a freemason. I will enter the Scottish Rite in October of this year. I was initiated into the same lodge as Ronald Reagan and several other notables.

I am an initiate within the Ordo Templi Orientalis.

I am an Ashkenazi jew by birth and rite, though I left the religion both physically and spiritually 20 years ago.

There are rumors within my family that we are related to the Hapsbergs of Austria, though that is unconfirmed by my research. I have, however, tracked my family to Austria (von Rissman) and have documented evidence of the other side of my family being members of Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys.

Now put all that in perspective with what you know of me on these forums and answer the question I posed to you in the thread.


Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:19 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
Cogburn wrote:
Subject: What is really going on here

But who the fuck are YOU?


Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:23 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message
Jackinthebox wrote:
But who the fuck are YOU?

There are no less than 15 different esoteric answers to that question.

Which one is most important to your attempt at classification?


Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:27 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
Wrong, I dont care. Which is most important to you? Because you are you, I dont care what class you are. Speak the truth, speak you mind, and dare to be wrong. That's how I get down. I like to be wrong from time to time, its rare that I learn something.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:29 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message
Jackinthebox wrote:
its rare that I learn something.

That's a shame.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:31 pm
To: Cogburn
Message

I wasn't bragging.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:33 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message
Jackinthebox wrote:
I wasn't bragging.

Yes... I know.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:35 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
DOnt be a punk either

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:36 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

But... all these Dead Kennedy albums....

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:52 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
Cogburn wrote:
But... all these Dead Kennedy albums....


Not even on my frequency dude.
Im a G


Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:00 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

Note my multiple posts and threads on the Pharonic Cabal and it's influence over hiphop and the symbolism employed by gang culture. Add to that my research into the direct connections between the CIA and the inner city drug trade. Before I lived the good life I spent 8 years in the ghetto.

Remember the Cincinnati riots? They were outside my house.

I am more than one thing because I choose to be.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:09 pm
To: Cogburn
Message

I dare say that you and I may be brothers, of a challenging rapport. And that may be the fuel to our fire, that neither you, nor I, is willing to accept the truth in these matters.

This is not a concession however, I know from whence you come. I have the advantage here, but I concede, not all of the knowledge.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:16 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message
Assumption is the first key to failure. My more detailed biography might be a little harder to believe but I've taken careful steps in recent months to make sure there's documentation for when the time comes. Anyone can inflate a resume, few can prove it.

People don't exist on the internet, only personalities.

I don't assume to know you, however I judge your words as you present them here to be false. Either false in intellect or false in intent, but false none the less.

There are no thoughts I share that are beyond question or correction. By your own words, that is where you and I differ.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:31 pm
To: Cogburn
Message

Your gratiuitous application of standard disinformation tactics will stand for themselves, in memorium.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:33 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

Your "standard disinformation tactics" are disinformation tactics in themselves, yet that is beyond the ability of that checklist to evaluate.

Curious that, no?

Free your mind and your ass will follow.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:44 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
Come back to the board woth your challenge. I find it in bad taste to have to post any of this conversation.



Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Cogburn
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:46 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

*shrug*

It's AmKon. I send PMs with no expectation of privacy.

Message subject: Re: What is really going on here
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:49 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
PMs are private as far as Im concerned. I will use them publicly if need be, but you should engage openly until you have something to say that i might respect the sanctity of.

Message subject: Smite
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:14 am
To: Cogburn
Message
Fighting battles for BE now, or is that a sock? And you call me the moron? :lol:

Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Cogburn
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:34 am
To: Jackinthebox
Message

I just call it like I see it.



Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:45 pm
To: Cogburn
Message

Well I call it pretty fuckin shitty to deliberatley misquote someone that way. But that's okay, if you dont see a problem with it, I'll be sure to start doing that to the two of you from now on.

Oh, and by the way, sorry you have a problem with modernized re-takes of classics. Everyone else seems to enjoy it. Everything from the new Halloween movies, to remakes of classics like The Day the Earth Stood Still, even to my own revision of that classic essay that was well received in other forums but that I have deleted from this forum. So now I dont even bother to share my other works here, I'll take them to other forums with more traffic. No wonder there's hardly anyone here. Pretty soon you'll be talking to yourself. Good job asshat.

Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Cogburn
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:24 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

It could then be argued that any movie worth watching was written 30 years ago.

What does that say for the quality of modern writers... or perhaps yourself?

Try an original thought. You might like it.

Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:29 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
Look, I have plenty of respect for classics, and often don't like the the cover tunes and remakes myself. But that piece had nothning to do with me trying to put forward an original piece. In fact, it was never meant to even be that big of a deal. It was something I spun out in a few minutes just to have something to talk about. But you and the other asswipe decided to deflect and derail like the good little agents you are.

I have plenty of original material, that you will never have the pleasure of seeing. Thankyouverymuch.

Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Cogburn
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:36 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

But it's cool. In fact, I'd ask that you kindly continue to keep your ridiculous fantasies to yourself as the internet has enough intellectual poison posted on it already.


Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:42 pm
To: Cogburn
Message

Good, so you are actively driving traffic away from this site. I think that is quite revealing. I will be sharing our conversation here with the forum.

Message subject: Re: Smite
From: Cogburn
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:52 pm
To: Jackinthebox
Message

Make sure you post the whole thing.

I think it'll make for a few good LOLs.

Message subject: A modest proposal
From: Jackinthebox
Sent: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:29 pm
To: Cogburn
Message
So Cog, I guess you would have preffered, since I took that piece "wholesale" as you claim, that I credited the original author as being the author of my own variations then? If I was committing plagiarism, then I suppose the original author must agree with the version I posted.

I think I am going to repost it. When I get the time to call you out with these PMs too.

Your such a fuckstain. I wish I had your job.

You're welcome, Jack.

EDIT: Remove gratuitous quoting to make it an easier read.

[Jackinthebox]

Well, I've had better things to do. But thanks anyway. I'll have to check next week to see if you got it all right, but I'll assume for now that you did.

Proof positive that you are not interested in open discussion, but silencing anything that does not fit into your little world.

Your're just a little fucking worm, on a big fuckin hook homeboy.

Now put a quarter in your ass because you just played yourself.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4BbQVxjABdI/R50aDNcOJzI/AAAAAAAAADM/P5ktWgD2zJY/s400/milli%2Bvanilli.jpg

[GeneralStriker]

nothing particularly enlightening there. just a couple of bickering amkoids. so what else is new? but hey- they're your electrons. waste em as you see fit. on the other hand, this bit of jackbox self-betrayal caught my eye-

PMs are private as far as Im concerned. I will use them publicly... :lol: but this ridiculous and boastful jackism tops even that!
I have plenty of original material :lol: :lol:
just another indication that his recent GOLDEN STERCUS TAURI AWARD was well earned. http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=7777&p=123593&hilit=GOLDEN+STERCUS+TAURI+AWARD#p123593

© BE News... you report, we decide

[skunk]

Gay. Get a room.

[boycotteverything]

you never want those two in the same room. i like em both and i'd hate to see them kill each other!

[Lexion]

you never want those two in the same room. i like em both and i'd hate to see them kill each other!

Or, kissing.

Ugh.....

[boycotteverything]

amen to the 'ugh'

[guinnessford]

Jello Biafra is my hero.

Thats all I have to add to this.

[Cogburn]

you never want those two in the same room. i like em both and i'd hate to see them kill each other!

Or, kissing.

Ugh.....
I'm on top so it's all good from my end.

[Eyeforalie]

Sooo....

Whats this all about?

Jack thinks Cog is a disinfo agent? Thats what I got from it all.

Actually, I think Cog's sig, for a while, said something alluding to him being the conspiracy.

If thats the case Cog, you're doing a really bad job.

After reading one of your early bickering matches I almost PM'd Jack to tell him to cool off, but I decided to let him learn for himself.

Ive had my few clashes with Cog. Ive learned a lot because of it. I know that he has played the Devils Advocate. It just took a bit for me to realize why.


Jackinthebox wrote:
its rare that I learn something.

Hmmm....

I learn all day, everyday. Its my favorite thing to do. I doubt there will be a day in my life that I dont.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Geee more "As the Icon Turns" internet drama. :roll:

[mojo]

:lol:

i deleted the first 12 months of my pm's a while ago, there were some fucking beauty's in there from all the old members, even a few classics from beaver after i tore her a new one. :)

still have a few rippers saved though from a few current members, these shall be stowed safely away for future reference. :evil:

[boycotteverything]

a few classics from beaver hahah you need publish those!

[lala]

Well, well, well . . . . . .Strange what some think is clever . . . . . :D

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[Cogburn]

I'm the kind of person that's easy to make into any kind of demon you wish, which is both the point and the joke.

Some laugh, some get mad, some could care less, and some just don't get it at all.

[Lexion]

I'm married.

I still get it.

Although, not as frequently.

Just saying...

[mojo]

Haha...the whole Hoax thing was an experiment, not meant as an AmKon experiment but rather to gauge the intelligence or lack of, of the lunatic fringe element at some of the more auspicious (tongue in cheek) Conspiracy Forums.
It certainly wasn't a plan to make anyone look or feel stupid from this forum, and in fact if it had of ever eventuated it would have been my guess that either this forum or one of the other smaller forums would have sniffed it out before any of the other bigger forums.
At least that was how i viewed being involved in it, the other guy's may have had different idea's. The truth is it barely got of the ground other than a few posts sharing our preliminary idea's of what it should involve, character assesments and a bit of brainstorming.
In fact i still think the idea of creating something along these lines has merit within the field of Internet Conspiracy Theory as a social experiment, however now that this is out there i doubt anything much will ever come of it.

[boycotteverything]

so you wanted to create your own Serpo? whoopie! let's morph into OM.

[Cogburn]

Heh... won't get far on that road without a very large banstick.

[mojo]

so you wanted to create your own Serpo? whoopie! let's morph into OM.

it had nothing to do with amkon you moron.

it was a few blokes getting together outside of this forum messing around with the idea of constructing some sort of hoax, partly as an experiment and partly for shits and giggles.

it's ok for you to think it was dumb, stupid, arrogant or any other word you'd like to use to describe it but don't try to insinuate that it had anything at all to do with AmKon because it fucking well didn't.

not one single thing was posted on this forum in regards to it and would not have been by any of us, it's why the whole thing was taken off site to google groups.

get your facts straight before you accuse this forum and it's administration of being involved in anything regarding hoaxes or changes in forum protocol and community design.

[boycotteverything]

In fact i still think the idea of creating something along these lines has merit within the field of Internet Conspiracy Theory as a social experimentthat's been done ad nauseam, moron.

[mojo]

In fact i still think the idea of creating something along these lines has merit within the field of Internet Conspiracy Theory as a social experimentthat's been done ad nauseam, moron.

Haha...classic.
So you totally ignore the fact that you made a fallacious accusation about the forum.
Don't you have the balls to either back up your insinuation that Amkon's alleged involvement would cause us to " morph into OM" or apologise for making that accusation because AmKon was in no way involved in the project we undertook.

Your fucking unbelieveable.
But i shouldn't expect anything else really should i.

[boycotteverything]

It probably would have been taken right to amkon- given that it was devised by amkoids. but that's beside the point. taking it anywhere on the intertubes by a cabal of amkon members would have sucked the big one. hoaxing and deception is wrong. period. what's so mysterious about that?

[boycotteverything]

apologise for making that accusation because AmKon was in no way involved in the project we undertook.The plot was being hatched by a chosen cabal of Amkon members and was restricted to Amkon members only- whom you actively recruited. You enabled Amkon to be ass-deep in a pernicious hoax. The shit posted by Asshole reads like the fucking Watergate transcripts. You all acted in Amkon's behalf like a little gang of tin pot Nixons. It was a shameful exercise and hopefully it's been shit canned- although I doubt it has. Any subset of Amkon members should be involved in exposing hoaxes, not in creating them. You're the one who owes the membership an apology, not me.

[skunk]

What the fuck are you on about?

[boycotteverything]

You may have to go back to Asshole's last posts to get a feel for this dispute. It's worth the visit because it has to do with the nature of our integrity as a conspiracy site.

[mojo]

apologise for making that accusation because AmKon was in no way involved in the project we undertook.The plot was being hatched by a chosen cabal of Amkon members and was restricted to Amkon members only- whom you actively recruited. You enabled Amkon to be ass-deep in a pernicious hoax. The shit posted by Asshole reads like the fucking Watergate transcripts. You all acted in Amkon's behalf like a little gang of tin pot Nixons. It was a shameful exercise and hopefully it's been shit canned- although I doubt it has. Any subset of Amkon members should be involved in exposing hoaxes, not in creating them. You're the one who owes the membership an apology, not me.

what a load of shit.

firstly if a group of muslims hatch a plot to blow up an embassy by your reckoning that would mean that all muslims or the islamic religion is complicit, is that right?

because thats what your saying, if four or five members of amkon get together and plan a project offsite that is not meant for the forum, then the forum is somehow complicit.

by your reasoning any members of amkon who communicate to each other outside of this forum about anything at all are somehow involving amkon in their extra curricular activities.

secondly,

The shit posted by Asshole reads like the fucking Watergate transcripts.

i think you'll find Cog posted the "shit".
do you actually read anything without rose coloured glasses on, tinted with your own personal bias?


subset of Amkon members should be involved in exposing hoaxes, not in creating them. You're the one who owes the membership an apology, not me.

fuck off old man, what i choose to do outside of this forum is none of your god damned business and it'll be a cold day in hell when i apologise to you or anyone else for anything i do outside of this forum.
who i choose to associate with outside of this forum is also none of your fucking business.

once again, back up your blatantly incorrest and fallacious insinuation that our project outside of this forum had anything whatsoever to do with amkon.


You enabled Amkon to be ass-deep in a pernicious hoax.

what fucking hoax? you are fucking daft.
c'mon smart ass, fucking show me what hoax amkon is ass deep in.
show me where any of us intended to involve amkon in any way whatsoever in our project.
you fucking can't and you fucking well know it and if you continue to accuse me and the others of involving amkon "in a pernicious hoax" i'll ban your scrawny ass until you either apologise for making up shit or until you substantiate your claims with proof.

[boycotteverything]

it's all well documented in Asshole's post. the recruitment, the contrivance, the plotting. all nixon all the time, eh?

i think you'll find Cog posted the "shit".
http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=8019&p=124079#p124079

I have to admit to having been a little shocked to read this.

[mojo]

it's all well documented in Asshole's post. the recruitment, the contrivance, the plotting. all nixon all the time, eh?

i think you'll find Cog posted the "shit".
http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=8019&p=124079#p124079

so where is the involvement of AmKon in the perpetration of a pernicious hoax which would cause the site to morph into OM?

[skunk]

Right now I know of one MEMBER that is involved, two if you include nasshole.

Too bad admins don't have access, or else it coulda been a real hoax! Damn.

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it's all well documented in Asshole's post. the recruitment, the contrivance, the plotting. all nixon all the time, eh?

Oh, you mean cog's group?

[boycotteverything]

like i said-

hoaxing and deception is wrong. period. what's so mysterious about that?

[boycotteverything]

Right now I know of one MEMBER that is involved, two if you include nasshole.

Too bad admins don't have access, or else it coulda been a real hoax! Damn.

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it's all well documented in Asshole's post. the recruitment, the contrivance, the plotting. all nixon all the time, eh?

Oh, you mean cog's group?Asshole gave you all the access you need- http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=8019&p=124079#p124079

[skunk]

like i said-

hoaxing and deception is wrong. period. what's so mysterious about that?



Then why are you here?

[boycotteverything]

The Amkoids involved were: Asshole, Cogburn, Mojo and Ras. They discussed recruiting other Amkoids to participate in the conspiracy. When Asshole posted this discussion he figured it was his parting bombshell. And it was.

[mojo]

Right now I know of one MEMBER that is involved, two if you include nasshole.

i think that there was cog, ima, ras, mr penny (not sure if he ever got involved though), myself and pack, might have been one or two others, HP maybe.
its been a while since any of us have done anything about it, the whole thing was taken off site so as to not have any amkon involvement, it was basically just a few likeminded individuals getting together tossing around a few idea's, thats it, nothing ever came of it, and the involvement of amkon in it was never considered or discussed, and i wouldn't have involved the site in it at any rate, no matter what insidious insinuations BE continues to suggest.

[skunk]

If there was some nefarious involvement, I'd like to see the hoax in question. And since it doesn't exist, well, yeah...

[boycotteverything]

Mojo- had it been launched there's no doubt in my mind that the conspirators would have eventually been exposed. That would have undermined all the credibility that Amkon has achieved in 2 years. That's exactly what happened to ATS, OM and RU. Each of those sites is now suspect because of the actions of a few 'like minded' members in conspiring to to create a hoax.

[mojo]

The Amkoids involved were: Asshole, Cogburn, Mojo and Ras. They discussed recruiting other Amkoids to participate in the conspiracy. When Asshole posted this discussion he figured it was his parting bombshell. And it was.

more than that mate, we also discussed involving people who have never been members of amkon, friends and family.
you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
the only bombshell is your continued attempts to undermine the integrity of some individuals and this site through insinuation and blatant falsehoods.

[boycotteverything]

like i said-

hoaxing and deception is wrong. period. what's so mysterious about that?



Then why are you here?Fuck you in the ass, you worthless troll.

[mojo]

Mojo- had it been launched there's no doubt in my mind that the conspirators would have eventually been exposed. That would have undermined all the credibility that Amkon has achieved in 2 years. That's exactly what happened to ATS, OM and RU. Each of those sites is now suspect because of the actions of a few 'like minded' members in conspiring to to create a hoax.

so your a fucking seer as well as a bullshit artist then.
you have no idea of the discussions that took place except a small chunk of posts that ima posted that are not in chronological order or are out of context.
conclusions....not just for jumping.

[skunk]

hahahahahaha.

Now that folks is how to out-troll a troll.

[boycotteverything]

the only bombshell is your continued attempts to undermine the integrity of some individuals and this site through insinuation and blatant falsehoods.

wrong, pal. they undermined their own integrity. that was Assole's point and that was his bombshell.

[boycotteverything]

Mojo- had it been launched there's no doubt in my mind that the conspirators would have eventually been exposed. That would have undermined all the credibility that Amkon has achieved in 2 years. That's exactly what happened to ATS, OM and RU. Each of those sites is now suspect because of the actions of a few 'like minded' members in conspiring to to create a hoax.

so your a fucking seer as well as a bullshit artist then.
you have no idea of the discussions that took place except a small chunk of posts that ima posted that are not in chronological order or are out of context.
conclusions....not just for jumping.OK. Prove me wrong then by publishing them all. Right here. Right now.

[mojo]

the only persons integrity i see that is undermined is your own, you have jumped to conclusions based on a ridiculously mixed up batch of posts not in context and out of chronological order, you've made insidious accusations without access to all the facts, you continue to ignore pertinent questions and pretend to own some mythical high moral ground.

you sir are a consumate fuckwit and incapable of seeing past your own bloated ego.

[mojo]

OK. Prove me wrong then by publishing them all. Right here. Right now.

nah mate, your the one that made the accusation....you provide the proof that you obviously have at your fingertips to make such an accusation.

you provide your incontrovertible proof of our intention to use amkon to perpetrate the hoax.

[boycotteverything]

I've provided a link to Asshole's bombshell. That's all that's available to me. Make everything available if you feel it's exculpatory. If you won't, I imagine Cogburn will. As he proved earlier in this thread, he's always been up front in providing what he has- regardless of where it may lead.

[Jackinthebox]

Just skimming throught the thread here.

So is it the position of some people here that Cog was merely playing the "devil's advodcate" by trying to drive traffic away from this site and silence all discussion that does not conform to his own worldview? Now dont get me wrong, I appreciate a good engagement with someone who makes an attempt to be genuine. But resorting to classic tactics of disinformation left and right does nothing to further truth and understanding. There are very few people who benefit from silencing discussion. I have no problem arguing with someone who disagrees with me, so long as they raise valid points. In Cog's case, those points are few and far between, and I go out of my way to give him credit for those oh so very rare little nuggets. Butfor the most part, he's a crackstreak that deflects, derails, and generally carries out the work of a classic disinformationalist. If it walks like a duck...

[mojo]

I've provided a link to Asshole's bombshell. That's all that's available to me. Make everything available if you feel it's exculpatory. If you won't, I imagine Cogburn will. As he proved earlier in this thread, he's always been up front in providing what he has- regardless of where it may lead.

hahaha.....thats not a fucking bombshell.
if thats all that is available to you how did you come to the conclusion that amkon was to be used as a vehicle to perpetrate a hoax? huh.
i'd be happy to post anything you like, i've got absolutely nothing to hide, but not until youve answered my questions and provided the facts you used to make your accusation.
and when you fail to provide anything that suggests my intent to use amkon as a vehicle to perpetrate a hoax i'd have no qualms at all for cog to post anything he wants from our discussions, i however will not post them without his permission and the permission of the other members of the "apathy experiment" as the "google group" was set up by cog and the information contained therein is not all mine to post publically.
i would be happy to post every single one of my posts though.

[boycotteverything]

if thats all that is available to you how did you come to the conclusion that amkon was to be used as a vehicle to perpetrate a hoax? huhThat much is clear from Asshole's bomb. Not a 'vehicle,' per se- the tin-pot Amkoidista cabal was rather a fabricator and enabler.

[mojo]

if thats all that is available to you how did you come to the conclusion that amkon was to be used as a vehicle to perpetrate a hoax? huhThat much is clear from Asshole's bomb. Not a 'vehicle,' per se- but rather a fabricator and enabler.

lol, whatever, your wasting my time, you are the most disingenous person i've ever had the displeasure of conversing with.

[boycotteverything]

projecting again?

[Cogburn]

What is it that you are really pissed about, BE? The fact that you weren't involved and that you may have been caught up in it should we have decided to ever perpetrate the hoax? Get the fuck over yourself.

Maybe we did do it and you never heard about it. The internet is a big place. Maybe it's in process right now. Maybe this is a part of it and Nasshole doesn't realize he's been played. ... or maybe a rose is just a rose and it was a bunch of us that toyed with an idea that never materialized.

... oh ... and kindly explain how any hoax on any forum has done anything but drive more traffic to that site? I see... we're only supposed to drive traffic to the site in ways in which the whole membership agrees.

Thanks for comparing my brainstorms to the Nixon tapes. Given their purely random, train-of-thought layout that's quite a compliment.

I love this discussion.

The Hoax That Never Was is turning out to be the most fun we've had all summer.

Just to keep the fun going, no, I will not publish the entire Google Group archive. You will all just have to sit and wonder at all the things we cooked up.

How do you like that? Am I now an asshole for not sharing or are you just a self-interested busybody that wasn't invited to play along?

Isn't it fun when we are both right?

[pack3tg0st]

I find it funny that the people who are having a problem with the idea that we were discussing the possibility of a hoax are the same people who seemed interested when I was discussing and planning a modern propaganda campaign...

[Lexion]

I wasn't invited.....

:(

[lala]

Its ok BE latest up date . . . . :lol:

[offsite:hc1nu6kt]Disgusted COG team pulls out | Stuff.co.nz
http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/sport/netball/2371222/Disgusted-COG-team-pulls-out[/offsite:hc1nu6kt]

[Cogburn]

Aw... you're sweet!

[offsite:d21a8mt8]She said she was happy with the eight teams in the competition but did feel for COG who came so close to qualifying.[/offsite:d21a8mt8]

[boycotteverything]

I find it funny that the people who are having a problem with the idea that we were discussing the possibility of a hoax are the same people who seemed interested when I was discussing and planning a modern propaganda campaign...And who might they be?

[boycotteverything]

What is it that you are really pissed about, BE? The fact that you weren't involved and that you may have been caught up in it should we have decided to ever perpetrate the hoax? Get the fuck over yourself.I'd never have participated and would have fought against it. Can't you see how much damage hoaxing causes? It's never right. It was not right for Bill Moore (MJ12 material), or for Rick Doty (Serpo) or for Steve Broadbent (the Tacitus Monroe exposure of the Serpo hoax) regardless of their motives.

[Cogburn]

Hold the phone... it's time to shut down the entire comedy entertainment industry! No sacred cows may be harmed in the production of your art!

You only give my personal reasons for ever perpetrating such a hoax more validity.

I do not worship at the altar of UFOlogy. Simply because I mock its priests and faithful is no measure of my character, only my world view.

[boycotteverything]

You only give my personal reasons for ever perpetrating such a hoax more validity.It's the proliferation of hoaxing that has destroyed Ufology. Precisely my point.

[pack3tg0st]

Who said it was going to be a UFO hoax?

[Lexion]

It's the proliferation of hoaxing that has destroyed Ufology. Precisely my point.

I have to agree.

[Lexion]

Who said it was going to be a UFO hoax?

Who said it wasn't.

Hoax is a hoax.

[pack3tg0st]

some people will just never get it I guess

"Its about disrupting the status quo... because the status... is not.. quo..."

Dr. Horrible.

[boycotteverything]

There are better ways to goose the status quo than a regimen of proactive deceit. That's how the status quo came to be in the first place. Study Einstein:
The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.

[pack3tg0st]

who said that's the only thing I got going?

[Lexion]

Study Einstein:
The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.

Fourth time you've posted that.

Running out of books ?

I doubt that.

Keep it fresh.

:D

[boycotteverything]

it's worth repeating continually. here it is again: The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them

[pack3tg0st]

Whats that have to do with a hoax?

[boycotteverything]

The system we live under is to a large extent the work product of hoaxters- from government to industry- built on a foundation of lies and deception. You don't see that?

[pack3tg0st]

Lies and deception do not mean hoax...

now a hoax might be based in lies and deception, but not all instances of deception count as a hoax.

you're reaching here.

[boycotteverything]

a hoax is the very meaning of deceit. it is a slight of hand that cheats the world of truth- a nixonian hall of mirrors. words like 'pernicious' and mendacious' apply here.

[Lexion]

you're reaching here.

Philosophy....

Wank wank or some such ?

I heard that somewhere on the net.

[Lexion]

a hoax is the very meaning of deceit.

Much like change.

Just saying....

[boycotteverything]

a hoax is the very meaning of deceit.

Much like change.

Just saying....explain, please. i think i'm missing your point.

[Lexion]

explain, please. i think i'm missing your point.

Tis ok.

Van Jones was a flash in the pan.

Sad, though. Current Govt. is driving
the US into the ground.

Meh.

Keep your high-ground.

[boycotteverything]

hahahah current gov? hell- america's been going down hill since jefferson left office.

[Lexion]

hahahah current gov? hell- america's been going down hill since jefferson left office.

Washington, but we agree.

[pack3tg0st]

a hoax is the very meaning of deceit. it is a slight of hand that cheats the world of truth- a nixonian hall of mirrors. words like 'pernicious' and mendacious' apply here.

Adding lies doesn't subtract truth man... The truth is still there for those with the discerning mind...

But, like I said before... not all Lies and deceptions are hoaxes... which is what you're trying to say...

All grannysmiths are apples...

Not all apples are granny smiths...

you're trying to imply that they are.

Hoax: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous (Merriam-Webster)

Where is the "cheating of truth"?

People believe hoaxes because they want to... not because they are thinking rationally...

Its just giving people what they want...

[Jackinthebox]

HEY, knock knock, attention please. I'M the one who got "called out" here. :lol:

Cheers, carry on.

[Cogburn]

Yeah, Jack... take note: no one gives a shit.

Arguing that hoaxes hurt UFOlogy is akin to attempting to argue that P.T. Barnum damaged zoology.

... except that zoology is an actual science and UFOlogy is little else than mental masturbation and fund raising by the less scrupulous members of society.

How exactly does a hoax perpetrated against an intellectual pursuit that has no factual foundation beyond that attributed to the Greek gods or leprechauns damage such pursuits?

[imgs=200:21fgxcp9]http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-content/uploads/i-want-to-believe.jpg[/imgs:21fgxcp9]

If you want to throw your heart behind unsupported nonsense no one is going to tell you no... but reacting to it like someone was planning on stabbing you in the eye is just ridiculous.

No one is ever going to take your bullshit as seriously as you do. Shame on you for expecting (and nearly demanding) otherwise.

EDIT: fuckers blocked my linked image

[pack3tg0st]

lol longer than that lex...

We've been going downhill since President John Hanson

[pack3tg0st]

LOL AMKON food fights again...

meh...

At this point, its me arguing my "burn it down" Attitude with BE again...

we've been doing this 2 or 3 times a week for a while now...

Burn it down.

Sit back and watch...

Then piss on the ashes.

[Lexion]

Ok.....

[pack3tg0st]

BTW lex...

Backtrack linux...

Check it out... I think you'll like it...

especially since you might want to "learn" about stuff...

seriously...

awesome Distro

[mojo]

It's the proliferation of hoaxing that has destroyed Ufology. Precisely my point.

no it's not, it's the proliferation of idiots and sheep that can't think for themselves or conduct basic research that has destroyed UFOlogy, anything that in some way exposes those idiots and sheep can only be a good thing.


Who said it was going to be a UFO hoax?


my original idea was a UFO/alien type of hoax involving a military operation in Iraq.
but no one liked it. :(


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/1kickfish.gif

isn't funny how a peaceful little fishing exercise can open up a can of worms. :)

be careful of the hook BE, it has barbs.

:lol:

[boycotteverything]

hoax
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–noun
1. something intended to deceive or defraud: The Piltdown man was a scientific hoax.

[mojo]

so fucking what, like i said, anything i decide to do outside of this forum is my fucking business and i couldn't care less whether you or anyone else agree's with it or not or thinks its fraudulent or illegal or unethical.
if i want to run some stoopid hoax on stoopid CT'ers then i damn well will.
if i want to send letters to little old ladies asking for their bank details because theyve won the lottery then i damn well will.
if i want to stalk britney spears then i damn well will.
so long as i do not do it in the name of this forum, or use this forum to promote those activities then it has sweet fuck all to do with you or anyone else.
end of fucking story.

[boycotteverything]

Hoax's are not harmless. I give you the 'Warren Commission Report' and the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' as examples.

[skunk]

Ok this thread has strayed off its intended course. The discussion has become cyclical.

Closed.

[mojo]

Ok this thread has strayed off its intended course. The discussion has become cyclical.

Closed.

jesus skunk, name one topic on amkon that hasnt strayed off course.
i havent finished reeling in my fish yet....thread re-opened. :)


Hoax's are not harmless. I give you the 'Warren Commission Report' and the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' as examples.


and i don't care.
if i want to perpetrate a hoax then i will, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. :P

[skunk]

Ha, I thought you already butchered your meat.

[boycotteverything]

Ok this thread has strayed off its intended course. The discussion has become cyclical.

Closed.

jesus skunk, name one topic on amkon that hasnt strayed off course.
i havent finished reeling in my fish yet....thread re-opened. :)


Hoax's are not harmless. I give you the 'Warren Commission Report' and the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' as examples.


and i don't care.
if i want to perpetrate a hoax then i will, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. :PThat begs the issue. Certainly you can spawn all the games you've got a stomach for and leave the onus of disambiguation to the device of others. That's what 'sound and fury' consists of. I don't deny that there are different approaches to unraveling truth and that one approach is just as valid as another. The problem doesn't rise to one of principle but is rather a matter of method. So on methodology we'll just have to agree to disagree- or even continue the debate now that the thread is reopened. And if you wanna elevate the discourse to the level of principle- I'll gladly engage there too. blah blah blah/ wank wank wank... You know the drill.

[mojo]

i don't have principals, or at least not ones that most people could discern as such.

a hoax is a perfectly valid vehicle for exposing poseurs, idiots and scam artists for what they are, and once exposed their level of regard within the field that the hoax is perpetrated is negated.

besides which i reckon it would be fun, i am after all a probationary reprobate.

[boycotteverything]

fuck it. go for it. just keep it on a short leash.


i don't have principalsyou're all about principle- who are you kidding?

[pack3tg0st]

I submit that hoaxes are indeed harmless.

Sometimes the simple minded sheeple that believe in them are not.

There's nothing wrong with showing people how easy they are to manipulate.

[mojo]

fuck it. go for it. just keep it on a short leash.



lol, well it's pretty pointless now considering this thread is in public view and our discussion regarding a hoax project has been outed.
anything that turned up on the net now would be pretty easily traced back with a bit of basic research.
besides which it only ever got as far as brainstorming a few idea's over the course of nearly 5 months, actually instigating something would probably take us years at that rate.

[pack3tg0st]

lol the discussion stopped almost a month ago... so I doubt we were getting anywhere fast anyway lol

Here's a monkey wrench...

What if Ima's post was part of the hoax?

ya did only see about 1% of total conversation...

meh, just saying..

fuck it

[skunk]

Its a hoax that there was a hoax.

[mojo]

What if Ima's post was part of the hoax?

ya did only see about 1% of total conversation...

meh, just saying..

fuck it

dude, we were only supposed to release that red herring after 2 more pages of discussion, stick with the story board man. :D

[pack3tg0st]

oh shit! sorry dude!

for some reason my pages were stuck together...

[hp]

What about that life size drone I've got stored in the barn. Can I now use it as a hay rack or do we Ebay it?

I hid the chuck of element 115 that went with it. And like every one else who has hid some of it, I forgot the location. I might be able to find it if really necessary.

[mojo]

What about that life size drone I've got stored in the barn. Can I now use it as a hay rack or do we Ebay it?

I hid the chuck of element 115 that went with it. And like every one else who has hid some of it, I forgot the location. I might be able to find it if really necessary.

i buried mine and saved the GPS coordinates on a flash drive and posted it to myself, the way australia post works i should receive it back in about 3 months.

:D