Organic Food - "Too Much Hype?"

[Ducky]

*short, sweet, and to the point*

Is this stuff really worth the extra moolah?

[pack3tg0st]

nope

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/myths-organic-food

another thing that people don't know... is that a lot of organic food comes from china...

http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/china40105.cfm

You really trust chinese farmers?

yah... its just another marketing scheme to get people to buy overpriced stuff...

[lala]

I found some produce are better . . . depending on where ypour living . . . where I live now I very really by organic, but everything is grown locally so we are lucky here . . . when I did buy organic, I'd get tomatoes, potatoes, carrots and greens, as you can taste the difference and grain feed animals . . .
Best thing is to have a veg garden . . . . :D

[Ducky]

Penn & Teller's Take:

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Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbfIGsXkVWY&feature=related)

Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9OvwR8ymY8&feature=related)


Seriously, have a look at all three. The vids aren't too long at all.

Let me know when you guys get to the 'banana taste' part? lolololol

You'll know what I mean :wink:

[pack3tg0st]

actually lala, they've discovered that people thinking organic food tastes better is a psychological affect...

It doesn't actually taste better...

I'll find the studies for you... at first search, I have to pay for the full research paper... but i'll keep looking

out of all the studies, only once did organic food rate higher than regular food... and even then, only in the instance of apples...

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[pack3tg0st]

LOL same idea I had ducky... I watch that show every week lol

Yah, I've seen it... its awesome...

[Ducky]

LOL same idea I had ducky... I watch that show every week lol

Yah, I've seen it... its awesome...

Get out of my head you rotten kid :D

I like these guys too. Informative, entertaining, and a freakin riot.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL yah...

Don't get "sold" on everything they do/say though...

I notice alot of "slant" going on sometimes...

Good information, in an entertaining way, but sometimes they have a rather obvious agenda...

[Ducky]

Don't get "sold" on everything they do/say though...

I notice alot of "slant" going on sometimes

Was gonna ask if you and everyone else noticed the 'color plate test'? As in red and blue?

The boys didn't come out and focus on this but I saw that they snuck that one in.

Trying to see if I can find the linky for that one. But basically it runs on the premise that the color blue is a deterent or rather not preferable when secularinzing dishes. Red, on the other hand is the opposite. It's brighter, and attracts attention. If I'm not mistaken, a lot of magicians use this 'slight' to direct the viewers attention elsewhere, while they're performing their tricks. Anyways, check it out. You'll see what I mean.

[pack3tg0st]

I'll have to check it out ducks :P

thanks :)

[lala]

I must admit a friend of ours has done apples, fruit & veg, for years and he was telling me it all bullshit . . . he said when it first come out they tried changing over . . . but his biggest complaint was that they use copper which ruin's the ground, you cannot run animals under your tree's, because of it . . . .I'll have to get on to him about it as he has a lot of experience with food farming . . . .. he was telling me to run completely organic is not viable and very few do . . . :D

[Ducky]

but his biggest complaint was that they use copper which ruin's the ground, you cannot run animals under your tree's, because of it

I've never even heard of that :shock:

Except mabey up at the Mandarin restaurant. They have huge coi(coy) gold fish, and the management has a sign out that tells the patrons not to throw pennies in the water as it'll kill the fish.

Besides any plants croaking, what happens to poor poochy if it's running about on a land tract filled with copper?

[Lexion]

As an aside.....

Sprinkling iron shavings around
fruit bearing plants improves
production.

Carry on.....


Lex

[Cogburn]

"Organic" or "whole" foods are not substitutes for buying local.

Locally sourced items are fresher and more nutritious as a result.

The confusion between the two is where hype and profit thrive.

[lala]

Haven't you heard how they tell you to bang a copper nail into a tree if it has curly leaf . . . .it like an old wife tail over here . . . but they use copper for pest control . . .in all sorts of forms and it, runs off and sit's in the ground . . . .here a link I found on copper . . .http://wineenabler.com/copper-and-wine-the-whole-story/ . . . Imo just because it natural don't always mean it fine, safe, I've had a reaction to a natural product in the pass . . . :D

[theeindiee]

Oh.

[boycotteverything]

most of the stuff from our garden (which is totally organic) tastes much better than stuff from the store or even local farmers' markets. that holds true especially for the tomatoes, artichokes, broccoli, jalapenos, corn, plumbs, apples, strawberries, and lettuce. the only fertilizer in the garden is an occasional cat shit in the rhubarb patch. as far as copper is concerned- we've all been cooking, bathing and drinking water from copper pipes since the day we were born and it looks like we've all survived.

[pack3tg0st]

Hehe speak for yourself BE!!!

My house when I was growing up was Galvanized steel with Lead solder...

I remember that because my dad found out about the Lead solder, and had to replace all the pipes in the house...

he replaced everything with PVC... it was quite a traumatic experience... our water was in 5 gal buckets from our grandma's house for like 3 days...

Now the victorian is 100% copper... Which apparently if copper is a pesticide, there's no need to worry about getting crabs!

Anyway, the reason you food tastes better out of your garden isn't the "organic" nature of how you grow it... its the fact that it goes from vine/plant to plate in probably less than an hour...

Its the freshness that counts...

[boycotteverything]

steel pipes were especially popular during war-time copper shortages but they corrode. in the West they were generally either welded or screwed, rarely soldered. copper pipes are also soldered- generally with lead solder. almost all the intake pipes (from the street to meter) all over the country were originally lead. Most still are in old cities. new intakes are often ABS or PVC. not good.

you're right to an extent about the freshness of our vegetables but it's not the whole story. they definitely have more flavor even after sitting around for a while. in my opinion, it's always best to buy organic if you can afford to. no pesticides or antibiotics. and while it may be the case that some organic producers cheat i'd still recommend it. pesticides are harmful to both the eater and the picker. fuck that. i used to buy my stuff at Whole Foods because they have a decent record of ensuring their organic standards among their suppliers. but since i'm now boycotting those bastards i have to look elsewhere for my kefir and hawthorn berries. life's a bitch! hahahaha

[pack3tg0st]

i have to look elsewhere for my kefir

Do you make your own?

You can take samples off the main culture and save them for future use if you do...

I have a "father" culture that I use... after the batch used with the main culture is complete, i dip samples off and fill up an ice cube tray... then after they freeze I put the cubes in a freezer bag and keep em in the freezer...

This way, I can stretch out one packet of culture upwards of 2 years...

(note: You don't want to use the culture past the 3rd or forth gen though... the bacteria evolves/mutates with each generation and subsequently, starts to deviate from the flavors you want.)

[Ducky]

In the vids I provided ^^^ P&T claimed that organic farmers stated that they don't use pesticides; or rather they DO, but not the toxic ones that are being implemented on the bigger commercial farms.

Was thinking (theoretically) if organic crops were to be THE MAIN STAPLE in today's markets, it would cost more to sustain this type of agriculture as opposed to non-organic ones. The end result would mean that only 4 billion people (tops) could be fed. What happens to the other 2 billion+ ?

This isn't financially feasible by any means. Obviously the total input would yield less output in the long run.

If the guv allocations of monies were any different (and if yer uncle had tits he'd be yer aunt), and the whole organic farming structure changed to include more crops, it just might work. But as it stands at present, it's an Edsel car.

I'm not saying we should sweep this one aside. Far from it. It's going to take more time to get organic crops up to the standards of 'feeding the whole world'.

As with any produce from the grocers or farmer's market, we're encouraged to thoroughly wash our fruits and veggies. That's a given. Yet, I'm concerned with the accumulation of toxins from non-organics, that will be harmful to our environment.

The earth will filter only so much at any given time. And if we're constantly plugging up her drainage systems, reprecussions will ensue for sure. We see the affects all around us to this day. It's a tug of war at this point, between over-population, pollution, GE foods, pesticides, etc. But something's got to give after awhile.

Manipulating our foods at the genetic level, to not only feed more people, but erradicate nature's masterpieces WILL affect us one way or another. There's only so many times we'll be able to do that before nature starts bucking OUR system.

[boycotteverything]

if there's sufficient demand for organic food there will be a supply. it's the law. know what i mean?

[pack3tg0st]

I don't think people quite understand genetically modified foods though...

Take Barley for instance (cause I"m a brewer!)

Barley typically only grows in 2 rows... But its been genetically modified to grow in 6 rows...

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/BarleyEars.JPG/180px-BarleyEars.JPG

2r = two row and 6r equals 6 row, in case ya didn't notice :P

Thats 3 times as much food from a single plant...

They did this by taking advantage of a recessive gene in the barley, and breeding it over and over until it becomes dominant...

IN other words... this food is genetically modified by bringing out a mutation already inherent in the barley itself...

the only difference nutritionally between two row and six, is that 6 row has more protein, and as a result, less starches...

the only difference genetically between the two types of barley is one specific recessive gene...

meh... anyway, just saying...

You do realize that dogs, cats, horses, cows, chickens, and almost any animal we deal with has been genetically modified by humans for thousands of years right?

[pack3tg0st]

if there's sufficient demand for organic food there will be a supply. it's the law. know what i mean?

Actually BE, the study she's talking about says there's only enough farmland available to feed 4 billion people on earth...

that means 2 billion have to die...

there's not enough land...

the video asks the viewer to pick which 2 billion die.

[boycotteverything]

ok. i'll pick. gimme a half hour to think about it.

[boycotteverything]

ok. i'm done. we get rid of china, india and kansas. that oughta do it.

[pack3tg0st]

supposedly 25% of the organic food market is grown in China...

you would really kill off 2 billion people just to have everyone eat organic?

[boycotteverything]

OK. you're right. substitute europe and the middle east for china. jesus- you're tough.

[pack3tg0st]

Man... the Middle east?

then we won't have the oil needed to ship our organic food from china! lol

how bout we just "deregulate" fast food... that should clean out 1/3 of everyone...

I mean... it worked as far as reducing the economy by about 1/2...

[boycotteverything]

christ man- you're starting to talk like Jack 'There's no way to get there from here.' But you're right about the middle east. So just let's wipe out the British Commonwealth and the 6 biggest cities in America, as well as Nigeria, Mexico, and Antigua. Got it? Fuck it- toss in Brazil and Indonesia too. Now stop your damned whining and load up.

[pack3tg0st]

Nigeria and Mexico will probably take care of wiping themselves out lol