Russia deploys missiles along border with North Korea

[Lexion]

[offsite:xroz5t4f]Russia has put defences on alert along its border with North Korea amid tensions over possible new missile tests by the secretive Communist regime.

The Kremlin ordered troops to deploy Russia’s most advanced missile defence system, the S-400, to intercept any threats from North Korea’s nuclear programme. General Nikolai Makarov, the head of the Russian army, said that a mobile battery of 32 surface-to-air missiles had been put into operation in anticipation of any Korean tests.[/offsite:xroz5t4f]

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6814644.ece)

Hmmmmmmm.......

Watching,
Lex

[guinnessford]

Here we goy boys....

Ive kinda been waiting for this.

Whats your take, besides waiting, Lex?

Think its just a defensive move, or a "we got our eyes open" type of thing?

[Lexion]

Shit, GF.

These days, who knows.

I find it worthy of watching,
though.

[guinnessford]

Oh, but of course it is!

Wonder which russian army is aiming the missiles, the legit one, or the "used to be secret" one.

[Ducky]

I wonder what the DEFCON situation is over there right now?

[offsite:3hpwp1ps]DEFCON 5 Normal peacetime readiness
DEFCON 4 Normal, increased intelligence and strengthened security measures
DEFCON 3 Increase in force readiness above normal readiness
DEFCON 2 Further Increase in force readiness, but less than maximum readiness
DEFCON 1 Maximum force readiness[/offsite:3hpwp1ps]

Site (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/defcon.htm)

[Lexion]

DEFCON is classified.

Pack would have a better
chance of knowing than I
would.

My sources are more "boots
on the ground".

S.Korea was at 2 for a while.

Might still be.

Meh. Seems we are in a lull atm.

Shit seems to be heating up, though.

Watching,
Lex

[Ducky]

Meh. Seems we are in a lull atm.

I hope to God this isn't the calm before the storm :(

[Lexion]

Meh. Seems we are in a lull atm.

I hope to God this isn't the calm before the storm :(

Very well may be.

I'd like Pack's input.

What I'm hearing ain't nice.

Lex

[boycotteverything]

Think its just a defensive move, or a "we got our eyes open" type of thing?Of course it is. Russia is being prudent in the face of potential blackmail. On the other hand they have about as much chance of downing a missile in flight as they have of hitting Phobos.

[pack3tg0st]

I'd like Pack's input.

What I'm hearing ain't nice.


Whoa...

Just logged on and saw this...

Time to call my buddy in HTAC over on Osan...

[Alessandra]

Meh. Seems we are in a lull atm.



FOR THE LULLZ

[pack3tg0st]

Dunno what you're hearing lex... but I'm hearing "posturing".

My connections would be in a diff position than yours though...

U.S> Forces on the South Korean Penn are on alert...

More Birds than normal on alert in Japan...

thats about the nuts and bolts of my conversations...

anything nifty from your end lex?

[guinnessford]

Im not really "connected" as you guys are, but a few friends are still in A.F now.

I called one guy, a recruiter in S.F. now, hasnt heard much.

Another friend that joined 3 years ago, now at Whiteman hasnt returned a second call.

The first one he returned, said there was "Upper level noise" around the base, like something was going down.

Im really anxiously waiting for him to call back, he said he should be able to call me at 3am my time. (E.T.)

[boycotteverything]

Im really anxiously waiting for him to call back, he said he should be able to call me at 3am my time. rest easy, my precious little spies. the russians are simply a cautious lot. move along now, nothing to see here.

and as the famous general is so wont to say, 'smoke em if ya got em.'

[Lexion]

Cautious, yes.

Stupid, no.

Couple calls out, atm. Waiting
on call backs.

I still find it interesting.

Posturing is a very good possibility.

Posturing with deliberate intent is
also a possibility.

Guess we need to wait and see.

Lex

[cartoon]

Cautious, yes.

Stupid, no.What can be stupid about protecting your people?

[Martian Exile]

I'm not worried. I look on the bright side of an atomtype bomb war.

Just think, after the smoke and dust clears there will be no more bureaucrats, building inspectors, park rangers, IRS agents, meetermaids, homeless advocates, or do-gooders. And I'll be sitting in my drippy damp spider infested 217 year old root cellar amusing myself counting my ammunition. Oh what fun!

[boycotteverything]

I guess I fail to understand the tenor of this thread. Why is anyone worried that the Russians are trying to protect themselves from those stupid North Koreans and their shitty missiles? And why does anyone here think they have some sort of all-knowing friends in some unknown intelligence agencies? And why is there such a need for self delusion in the first place? I'm sure those brilliant undercover operatives couldn't find their asses with a flashlight. Gimme a fucking break. And now you've gone and gotten our credulous Duck all hot and bothered and lathered about Def Cons and atom bombs and the invasion of PRK skinny, red banshees. I hear she's digging a bomb shelter (with a special lead lined compartment for hiding John Lear's jock-strap, of course.) Shame on the lot of you.

[pack3tg0st]

And why does anyone here think they have some sort of all-knowing friends in some unknown intelligence agencies?

LOL I spent time stationed at Osan, South Korea... HTAC (Hardened Tactical Air Center) was the nerve center for the entire Theater's operations...

I still have a buddy over there... married a Korean chick and just never left I guess... Got another buddy who IS in intelligence as a Korean Linguist... but he wouldn't tell me anything...

On top of that, My background in monitoring nuclear weapons and the like as a scope dope, makes me uniquely connected BE... (MWOC, or Missle Warning Operations Center)

Then there was my TDY to Cheyenne mountain...

I spent half of my enlistment with the "red phone"...

and, I didn't separate all that long ago... thus, I have friends in places that would know things...

When I was in Korea, Russia and North Korea were working together... OSI told us there were 43 confirmed spies in the Songtan area... which was the city outside the main gate... most of these confirmed spies were russian... Mostly women too...

Do you think the U2's stationed at Osan are there to keep an eye on the North Koreans? LOL

Not all the Patriot Missile Batteries were pointed North...

[Cogburn]

I guess I fail to understand the tenor of this thread. Why is anyone worried that the Russians are trying to protect themselves from those stupid North Koreans and their shitty missiles? And why does anyone here think they have some sort of all-knowing friends in some unknown intelligence agencies? And why is there such a need for self delusion in the first place? I'm sure those brilliant undercover operatives couldn't find their asses with a flashlight. Gimme a fucking break. And now you've gone and gotten our credulous Duck all hot and bothered and lathered about Def Cons and atom bombs and the invasion of PRK skinny, red banshees. I hear she's digging a bomb shelter (with a special lead lined compartment for hiding John Lear's jock-strap, of course.) Shame on the lot of you.
QFT

[hp]

(with a special lead lined compartment for hiding John Lear's jock-strap, of course.)

I thought we only had picture proof of a JL bra. Inside info there maybe.

[pack3tg0st]

no offence cog... but perhaps you should re-evalute the relationship between Russia, China and North Korea...

Its very complex and interesting...

Even if this move is just "posturing" or defending themselves... it shows a massive shift in the Political climate between those countries...

Its a big deal... even if nothing comes of it... its still a big deal...

[Cogburn]

I don't offend easily if at all, so no worries. I can, however, be quite offensive. :)

I do remember the Cold War, so we can skip all that, but there's "big deal" and then there's the seeming amount of surprise this has engendered.

They all made a pretense of playing nice under the big red flag when they were all of such mind, but since Russia isn't waving the hammer and sickle quite as much these actions seem nothing less than pure logic.

It's Russia reaching a conclusion about Our Dear Leader similar to that of Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

The truly surprising thing is that it hasn't happened sooner.

Old pretense dies hard.

[pack3tg0st]

its a little more complicated than cold war politics these days...

China (at least a few years ago) had an agreement with North Korea that if NK was attacked, China would mobilize troops in support... thus, why we'd get our ass kicked if we attacked NK... and why we walk on glass around them...

Russia and China got into bed with each other, swapped tech (Chinese Air Force flies MIGs)...

its a wierd "love triangle"...

The Russians were friendly with NK... so was China... but Russia and China are at odds on how to deal with Pyongyang...

Now that this whole shebang is going on... Russia seems to be severing its friendly relationship with NK, and allying with Soeul... which puts Russian and Chinese policy in conflict with each other as well...

So now we have Russia supplying military technology to a country that is aligned opposite them on dealing with a noisy neighbor...

its even more complicated than I'm explaining... but to sum it up in a rather clumsy metaphor, One of the members of the "love triangle" has introduced a new "lover" to the group... South Korea... and everyone is going to be pissed...

Odd that they decide they need to "Beef" their borders just days after they buddy up with South Korea...

We have a jilted lover in the midst...

[Cogburn]

Supposed "increased" levels of complication only increase the budgets for analysts.

The world is a complex place. The only thing that changes is our appreciation for that fact.

Russia doesn't telegraph its punches. Just ask Georgia.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL actually...

Russia told Georgia that if they attack, They'll kick their ass...

Georgia attacked first...

Russia followed through...

The REAL story isn't "oh poor innocent georgia" like we've been told...

In fact... the U.S. encouraged them to attack...

don't know why though...

Here's an interesting tidbit...

Russia is trying to put a pipeline through NK

[Cogburn]

"Leave us alone or we will kick your ass," says Russia.

Georgia ignored it and without quibbling, posturing or concern for international condemnation Russia simply delivered destruction as promised.

You're proving my point. Kim Jung-il should take heed.

[pack3tg0st]

Not really proving your point...

Georgia was the Aggressor... no positioning necessary...

Russia followed through with its promise...

Your argument was that Russia doesn't broadcast its plans/movements...

but... they did...

"don't touch that or I"ll fuck you up" and then you get punched in the face...

Sounds like a fair warning to me...

[Cogburn]

... and has issued a similar promise with these actions.

There's nothing to indicate that this is anything more than Russia treating the DPRK with the respect appropriate for having a madman as your neighbor.

There's nothing offered within this thread from the personal contacts within the military that provides any indication of the contrary. Show me a nation where the industrial and economic concerns are in 100% alignment with the politics of that nation and I'll show you a dictatorship.

Why create boogie-men when Occam applies just fine? What am I missing here?

[pack3tg0st]

Since when has Putin considered Occam's razor?

But, if my sources say More birds than normal on Alert in Japan... and higher alert in South Korea...

And Lex's sources say "boots on the ground."

I'd say theres more to this than what Russia is saying...

and South Korea, and the United States know this, and are acting accordingly.

[boycotteverything]

my sources say More birds than normal on Alert in Japan... and higher alert in South Korea...

And Lex's sources say "boots on the ground." Yeah but what's Sylvia Brown saying? My sources call bullshit.

[Cogburn]

Since when has Putin considered Occam's razor?

You mean arguably the shrewdest, most successful leader ever produced by the KGB?

Considered? I think they are long time lovers and friends.


But, if my sources say More birds than normal on Alert in Japan... and higher alert in South Korea...

And Lex's sources say "boots on the ground."

I'd say theres more to this than what Russia is saying...

and South Korea, and the United States know this, and are acting accordingly.
Increase in activity in what timeframe? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?

It's not as if nothing has been going on over there.

Can it be said that this is little more than increasing of activity in accordance with a misbehaving nation? If so, why?

Educate the poor slobs amongst you, such as myself, who never wore this country's uniform. I apologize if it seems tedious, but it is always within such tedious detail that conspiracies become the mundane.

[boycotteverything]

Educate the poor slobs amongst you, such as myself, who never wore this country's uniform.real fighters don't need no steenking uniforms

[pack3tg0st]

Can it be said that this is little more than increasing of activity in accordance with a misbehaving nation? If so, why?

Educate the poor slobs amongst you, such as myself, who never wore this country's uniform. I apologize if it seems tedious, but it is always within such tedious detail that conspiracies become the mundane.

Ok, I'll give it a shot lol

An increase in activity in Japan is actually pretty important... Its not as if we don't have Air Force Bases in Korea... (Osan and Kunsan, both of which have flight lines)

The reason this is important, is at the first sign of REAL trouble, the contingincy plan is to evacuate Osan (which is the most forward AFB in South Korea... its only about 40-50 miles from the DMZ). What is supposed to happen when the feces hits the rotating oscillator is that ever bird on the korean penn heads to our bases in Japan... leaving a small force at each base to try and defend until reinforcements can arrive on the ground... (pretty desperate actually, only 200-300 troops vs the 2 million active and 3 million reserve troops North korea has...)

Granted, the ground forces at osan are now in an "enhanced" GDP... GDP stands for Ground Defense Position... I know what GDP posture they are in, but I really shouldn't publish that on the net...

Anyway, the fact that Japan went alert, means that they are expecting something... but don't want to appear to be expecting something... if that makes sense...

Every time South Korea goes on alert, Kim Has a conniption and throws a tantrum... Therefor, we want to make sure that we don't upset him, even if we are expecting something...

My immediate thoughts are that we want to put pressure on Russia somehow, but if we raise our posture in Korea, Kim has a fit... so what do we do... we Raise our posture in Japan...

It should also help in mentioning that going on "alert" when it comes to Aircraft is a big deal... It means that the flight crews are staying in a dorm right next to the flightline, usually in an alert facility off a parking area... with their jets fueled, armed and ready to rock... Their Pre-flight checklists are completed every 8 hours... The theory being that sorties could be generated in less than 2 mins... Just jump in and take off...

Anywho, most people don't realize the proximity of Japan to Korea either... they're right next to each other.. quite literally...

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/15/1561/HCEDD00Z/map-of-japan-and-korea.jpg

From what I hear from the guys at Osan, is that they are at a level of alert that hasn't been seen since The Crab Wars (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/EF14Dg03.html). I know the Crab Wars sounds mundane, but being on the penninsula in 2000, just 6 months after the first "clash"... ITs a big deal... those incidents almost re-ignited the Korean War...

Hope that helps... I'm trying here... but its hard to explain without giving away more than I'm supposed to...

[boycotteverything]

That bunch of blather never even attempted to answer the question posed, which was-
Can it be said that this is little more than increasing of activity in accordance with a misbehaving nation? The answer is obvious. Father Occam wins again. It should be further noted that the United states has no business being in the region- aside from pointing a loaded gun at the heart of Russia. What God the Koreans choose to worship ain't our business.

[pack3tg0st]

not really BE...

The appropriate response to "flexing" to keep kim in line is to become visibly alert in South Korea...

Thats what has always happened in the past, and will always happen in the future...

I guess its hard to explain if you've never lived it...

I'll have to dig my pictures out... see if I can't show you how easy it is to flex...

Its pretty serious...

This isn't about North Korea...

[boycotteverything]

You overlook the fact that it's Korea's problem, not ours.

[pack3tg0st]

Not really...

It SHOULD be Korea's problem... but for some reason, we're still fuckin' there...

I said it almost 10 years ago when I made it through the first summer at Osan...

We should leave...

The younger generation doesn't want us there, and protests our presence every chance they get... The older generation loves us, they remember what we did in the 50's...

But, if they don't want us there, we should fuckin' leave...

unfortunately, the UN Is involved now... which I suspect is our main reason for being there...

I dunno...

If we left, South Korea would get pummeled though.

[boycotteverything]

If we left, South Korea would get pummeled though. So be it. No Def Cons, no Defecations. Just clear out and let them solve their own problems. I realize meddling can be fun but the game is over.

[pack3tg0st]

Except Japan would get upset...

It takes less than an hour to get from Korea to Japan by ferry...

might also destroy the financial markets for all of asia... South KOrea is a major player on the markets over there... A shitload of tech...

I'm not saying we should meddle... but, at this point, Removing the parasite would kill the host... not just South Korea, but that corner of the world in general...

The U.N. is involved as well... so there's a possibility if we annouced we're pulling out, they would just replace the U.S. with U.N. troops... which would include americans again...

like it or not, we've clusterfucked our way into perpetual occupation of South Korea....

[boycotteverything]

Except Japan would get upset...
The Koreans are still upset with those folks too. Remember the comfort girls? Where's the apology? Japan owes Korea half its national wealth in recompense for that atrocity.


It takes less than an hour to get from Korea to Japan by ferry...

might also destroy the financial markets for all of asia... South KOrea is a major player on the markets over there... A shitload of tech...And that's a bad thing? Didn't you say you were an Anarchist? You can't have it both ways.


I'm not saying we should meddle... but, at this point, Removing the parasite would kill the host... not just South Korea, but that corner of the world in general... Not kill- but change. Curing the disease is called 'healing.'


The U.N. is involved as well... so there's a possibility if we annouced we're pulling out, they would just replace the U.S. with U.N. troops... which would include americans again..The UN is a foreign policy extension of the US. Remember Iraq? They do as they're told by the Empire. By schlepping the UN into that shitfight, the great Harry Truman destroyed forever the integrity of that institution.


like it or not, we've clusterfucked our way into perpetual occupation of South Korea....Well we can, with a little imagination, clusterfuck ourselves right on outa Dodge. Nothing is 'perpetual' in this world save for stupidity.

[pack3tg0st]

I am an Anarchist, but something of this magnitude is no longer burning down the system...

we're talking mass starvation and violence...

I think we should "burn it down", but not in such a way that we end up killing millions... and it would be millions... there are a fuckload of people over in that corner of the world...

The only successful way to get the United States out of Korea would be to hand it over to Russia or China...

I'm not opposed to those ideas either... but until NK implodes on itself, those are the only options...

Are you a fan of our relationship with Israel? I imagine its a similar situation... should we leave them on their own?

Everything will be okay... The Empire is crumbling from the foundation up... shouldn't be too long now...

But, I also imagine that the U.S. won't do the smart thing like Britain did...

They gave up their empire when shit went south... We'll hold on until we're sure the whole world is going down with us.

[boycotteverything]

We'll hold on until we're sure the whole world is going down with us.hahahahaha! ain't that the case!


we're talking mass starvation and violence...

I think we should "burn it down", but not in such a way that we end up killing millions... and it would be millions... there are a fuckload of people over in that corner of the world...You're seeing something I don't see. If 'millions' die it will be the result of a stubborn clinging to old paradigms. There is no "hand(ing) it over to Russia or China..." It is a matter of allowing Korea to come to its own accommodation. That fancy little Stalin up North is at the end of his rope. And Pax Americana is at the end of their's. Why do you incline towards 'burning it down?' All things are subject to gravity. A bit of kind husbanding is what's always required.

[boycotteverything]

Oh wait- I forgot to mention my prediction. Within a little more than 100 years all 7 billion of us will be dead. Mark my words.

[Alessandra]

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[boycotteverything]

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[Martian Exile]

Ah who cares. We have our base on Gilligan's Island to defend us.

[pack3tg0st]

Shemya?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/facility/images/eareckson_shemya-island.jpg

One of the coolest places I've ever been... (no pun intended)

all sorts of cool shit.

[Martian Exile]

Is that bird guano? :)

[pack3tg0st]

lol yah...

bird guano...

[Jackinthebox]

Not sure if this has been asked yet, but, um, how much border does Russia share with North Korea. Now I understand that missiles have range, and Russia is in their proximity geographically, but I would be more concerned about stepped up activity if it were also happening in China and Japan as well.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL you really need to put it in perspective...

[attachment=0:3chv5yoi]kn-map.jpg[/attachment:3chv5yoi]

yah LOL

about 15-25 miles?

[boycotteverything]

Friends, foes mark WWII’s beginning in Poland

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32637688/ns/world_news-europe/

And what better way to celebrate than to pray at the foot of a giant brick dildo. Thank you Poland.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-090901-poland-2a.grid-6x3.jpg
The famous Happy Phallus of Gdansk

[boycotteverything]

LOL you really need to put it in perspective...


http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=2904

yah LOL

about 15-25 miles?

For the Russians it's just a roll of the dice.

http://www.antiquetrader.com/upload/contents/290/field_1748/wiggily2%20AT%207-9.JPG
Map courtesy of Lex and Pack's undercover agents

[boycotteverything]

Still waiting anxiously for the Top Secret Report from the famous Pack/Lex Spy Network. Sure hope the weren't captured by the Reds! But the good news is that the Ruskies and Little Kim have let the Western World survive for yet another week.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL,

don't be all butt hurt cause you don't have buddies in the right places man...

But, was I supposed to be finding something out? I already talked to my buddy in HTAC... and gave a summary of what he said...

[boycotteverything]

That's all?? OK- then it's a forced confession. Definitely captured by the Chi-coms. Fuck!

[pack3tg0st]

what do you want? detailed intelligence reports?

we both have clearances... and we both know that DSN lines are monitored for leaks of a classified nature...

we're not about to get into details on an unsecure line...

I talked to him for about 40 mins... all of 5-8 were about what was going on...

we are buddies ya know... I don't just call to ask for info...

BTW, he's just got his 4th toon up to level 80... Pally I guess... but he's crossed over to horde...

does that help?

[boycotteverything]

does that help?no

[Martian Exile]

I just listen to radio Moscow on my old vacuum tube Hamerlund short wave set. Oh and I have Ash turn the magneto crank to power it so that I can morally justify the use of my incandescent bulb.

[boycotteverything]

that's the spirit. those querulous bitchers are always talking outa school.

[pack3tg0st]

Who's complaining?

Or do I count as a "querulous bitcher" because I'm not subscribing to the bullshit rhetoric and shitty solutions people keep coming up with for "going green".

Last I knew, you were complaining that I didn't give you enough information from my conversation with my buddy...

[boycotteverything]

please learn to read. it referred to Radio Moscow.

did you miss this?
I just listen to radio Moscow on my old vacuum tube Hamerlund short wave set.to which I replied-
that's the spirit. those querulous bitchers are always talking outa school.
whether you're a bitcher was never the issue- that you don't pay attention may be though.


Last I knew, you were complaining that I didn't give you enough information from my conversation with my buddy...Not complaining just joking with you. on the other hand i don't believe either you or your buddy have anything of importance to add to this subject.

[Lexion]

on the other hand i don't believe either you or your buddy have anything of importance to add to this subject.

By your own choice, you will never
have that ability.

I think I'll keep shit to myself
from now on.

I'll post what any of you can find,
if you care to look.

[boycotteverything]

By your own choice, you will never
have that ability.hahahaha a functioning brain and a knowledge of history is all anyone needs.

[Lexion]

a functioning brain and a knowledge of history is all anyone needs.

And a smattering of cowardice.

Just saying.

[boycotteverything]

it takes more courage to say 'no' to your masters than bend a knee and be their bitch.

[Lexion]

it takes more courage to say 'no' to your masters than bend a knee and be their bitch.

You didn't say "no".

You ran.

Big difference.

I volunteered.

[boycotteverything]

no running. i hung around and organized against the war.

[pack3tg0st]

but, like the rest of the movement, quit when on the verge of affecting REAL change...

[boycotteverything]

nah. we just got old. one of my buddies did run for president though.

[pack3tg0st]

nah. we just got old.

Sounds like you became what you were rallying against.

[boycotteverything]

nah. death is inevitable. hopefully the young will pick up the mantle.

[Lexion]

nah. death is inevitable. hopefully the young will pick up the mantle.

Would it surprise you, if we
are trying ?

I'm not young, by any means.

Fed up, yes.,

Maybe not for the same reasons as
you were, but at the same system.

[boycotteverything]

my only goal was the replacement of hatred with love. that still needs to be done.

[pack3tg0st]

ah, surrendered early I see...

If you believe in a cause, why quit? Fight to the death...

Chomskey hasn't given up... everyone's given up around him...

he's still just as vocal, and still trying to rally the people to cause...

You can rationalize your surrender all you want...

in the end, its still a surrender.

[boycotteverything]

i haven't surrendered- just slowed down somewhat. i still swing a hammer for Habitat and teach kids how to build houses. but my SDS/weatherman days are far behind me. in the end I'm a carpenter again.

[pack3tg0st]

like I said, rationalize it how you want...

you guys gave up real "power" when you had the chance to make something change...

and we're to believe its "Better" to take the fight into obscurity?

The U.S. pulled out of Vietnam, but not to appease the protesters...

once they pulled out, they go away? they don't want to pressure for legislation to make sure something like that didn't happen again?

[boycotteverything]

oh. sorry i let you down. your turn, sport.
and we're to believe its "Better" to take the fight into obscurity?Oh not at all. maybe you can can yourself to relevance.

[pack3tg0st]

Unfortunately, since nothing changed, and the status quo was preserved, a 60's style movement will no longer be effective...

It is going to take more... "unconventional" methods...

and... I'm working on it.

[boycotteverything]

ok. you keep working on it. we're counting on ya.

[pack3tg0st]

lol you should wait before you say you're "counting on me".

I'm sure my solution, along with my cohorts is not the solution anyone will be happy with...

non-violent 100%... but, erm... probably only 70% legal..

yah...

If I'm successful... you'll never know it was us.

[Lexion]

oh. sorry i let you down. your turn, sport.
and we're to believe its "Better" to take the fight into obscurity?Oh not at all. maybe you can can yourself to relevance.

Nice edit.

You didn't let me down.

You let your cause down.

What you did, didn't work.

Equal rights ? Yeah, we got a black
president.

Pat yourself on the back.

End war ?

Not exactly.

Erase poverty ?

Look at the stastics..Here (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c1e698a2-9984-11de-ab8c-00144feabdc0.html)

And, Here (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OLDER_AMERICANS_POVERTY?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US)

Agreed, you tried. But, you failed.

I respect you, on a lot of issues.

But, I'll call you out on issues you
failed at.

[boycotteverything]

Agreed, you tried. But, you failed.we all fail in the end. it's just the nature of life. hell- jesus, himself, ended badly!

[skunk]

If you're a failure, yes. Not all of us suck constantly.

[Lexion]

If you're a failure, yes. Not all of us suck constantly.

Well....there is Ducky....

:D

[skunk]

There was deaman...

[boycotteverything]

did someone hypothesize recently that deamon was a john lear sock? could be, no?

[Ducky]

If you're a failure, yes. Not all of us suck constantly.

Well....there is Ducky....

:D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/CanuckyDucky/finger.jpg

:D