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KIWI
07-28-2009, 06:05 AM
Being a flying nut Malta has featured quite a bit for me over the years, following the exploits of the individuals and squadrons posted there during WW2, and although being aware of the old ruins have not until recently had a better look at what exactly is there,.....quite impressive
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http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/malta/temples_malta.html

The Mediterranean island of Malta figures in the historical record of Europe due to its association with the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, who fled to Malta from the island of Rhodes in 1530. Yet this small island of 243 square kilometers has a far greater importance in European prehistory due to its extraordinary collection of megalithic temples. Situated 80 kilometers south of Sicily and 370 kilometers east of the Tunisian coast, the island of Malta appears to have been first settled during the early Neolithic period by a wave of immigrants from the island of Sicily. This appearance of Neolithic settlement is however strongly challenged by new research concerning a probable Paleolithic influence,
The patterns inscribed are quite remarkable and show a high level of skill
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The Mnajdra temple complex is located about 500 meters to the west of Hagar Qim, closer to the edge of the promontory facing the sea. Mnajdra consists of two buildings, a main temple with two ellipsoidal chambers and a smaller temple with one chamber. Among their other possible uses, the temples of Mnajdra fulfilled astronomical observation and calendrical functions. The main entrance faces east, and during the spring and autumn equinoxes the first rays of light fall on a stone slab on the rear wall of the second chamber. During the winter and summer solstices, the first rays of the sun illuminate the corners of two stone pillars in the passageway connecting the main chambers. Writing in his fascinating book, Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization, Graham Hancock gives more precise information on these alignments,
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•As the sun crests the horizon on the spring and autumn equinoxes, 21 March and 21 September (when night and day are of equal length) its rays exactly bisect the huge Trilithon entrance to Mnajdra's Lower Temple, projecting a spot of light into a small shrine in the deepest recesses of the megalithic complex.

•On the winter solstice (20/21 December, the shortest day) a very distinctive 'slit-image' - looking something like the illuminated silhouette of a poleaxe or a flag flying on a pole - is projected by the sun's rays on to a large stone slab, estimated to weigh 2.5 tonnes, standing to there rear of the west wall of the Lower Temple's northern apse.

•On the summer solstice (20/21 June, the longest day), the same distinctive slit-image appears - but now with the 'flag' oriented in the opposite direction - on a second large stone slab, this time weighing 1.6 tonnes standing to the rear of the west wall of the Lower Temple's southern apse.

It is well known that the sun's rising points at the solstices are not fixed but vary with the slowly increasing and then decreasing angle of the earth's axis in relation to the plane of its orbit around the sun. These changes in what is known technically as the 'obliquity of the ecliptic' (presently in the range of 23 degrees 27 minutes) unfold over a great cycle of more than 40,000 years and if alignments are sufficiently ancient they will incorporate a degree of error, caused by changing obliquity. From the error it is possible to calculate the exact date of their construction.

In the case of Mnajdra, the alignment today is good, but not quite perfect because the rays that form the slit-image are projected two centimeters away from the edge of the large slab at the rear of the temple. However, Paul Micallef's calculations show that when the obliquity of the ecliptic stood at 24 degrees 9 minutes and 4 seconds the alignment would have been perfect with the slit-image forming exactly in line with the edge of the slab. This 'perfect' alignment has occurred twice in the last 15,000 years - once in 3700 BC and again, earlier, in 10,205 BC.


In addition to their celestial alignments the Maltese temples also reveal surprising evidences of mathematical and engineering sophistication. One researcher, Gerald Formosa (Megalithic Monuments of Malta), has discovered numerous examples of the so-called Megalithic Yard of 2.72 feet. This mathematical constant, found at megalithic sites throughout the ancient European world, was first brought to scientific attention through the studies of Oxford Professor, Alexander Thom. In Hagar Qim and Mnajdra, examples of the Megalithic Yard are found in the measurements of the portal stones and in triangles etched on the temple floors.

These astronomical, mathematical, and engineering findings are mostly ignored by orthodox archaeologists because Maltese temple architecture is commonly assumed to have developed previous to and independent of any outside influence. D.H. Trump, a noted 'expert' on Malta (Malta: An Archaeological Guide), comments that, "That there is nothing looking remotely like one of these temples outside the Maltese islands, so we cannot use 'foreign influence' to explain them. The almost complete absence of imported pottery further strengthens the argument." But, how then, are we to explain the enigmatic presence of the Megalithic Yard. This undeniable artifact of great antiquity suggests that the temples of Malta, rather than being isolated ruins may in fact be part of a pan-regional (or global) sacred geography.

Graham Hancock, while researching for his book has this to say

How are we to explain the fact that the oldest free-standing stone monuments in the world, which by virtue of there size and sophistication unambiguously declare themselves to have been built by a people who had already accumulated long experience in the science of megalithic construction, appear on the archaeological scene on a group of very small islands - the Maltese archipelago - that had not even been inhabited by human beings until 1600 years ago? Isn't this counter-intuitive? Wouldn't one expect a 'civilization history' to show up in the Maltese archaeological record documenting ever-more sophisticated construction techniques - and indeed wouldn't one also expect an extensive 'civilization territory' capable of supporting a reasonably sized population (rather than tiny barren islands) to surround and nourish the greatest architectural leap forward of antiquity?

KIWI
07-28-2009, 06:24 AM
Hagar Qim

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The massive ruins of Hagar Qim (pronounced "agar-eem") and Mnajdra (pronounced "eem-na-eed-rah") stand on a rocky plateau on the southwest coast of Malta, overlooking the sea and facing the uninhabited islet of Filfla, 4.8 kilometers away. This plateau is composed of two types of limestone; the lower, harder stone (gray coralline limestone) out of which Mnajdra is constructed, and the upper, softer stone (pale globigerina limestone) from which Hagar Qim is built.

The name Hagar Qim means 'standing stones' and previous to the excavations of these ruins all that could be seen was a mound of earth from which only the tops of the tallest stones protruded. Hagar Qim, possibly constructed in several phases between 3500 BC and 2900 BC, is built with some of the largest stones of any temple on Malta; one massive stone is 7 meters by 3 meters (22 ft by 10 ft) and weighs approximately 20 tons. The temple's soft globigerina limestone walls have weathered badly over the millennia and later temple builders used the harder coralline limestone such as is found at Mnajdra complex just down the hill. The ruins were first explored in contemporary times in 1839. Further excavations in 1885 and 1910 produced detailed surveys of the site and repair of some of the damaged structures.


and here is a rather unusual piece of work.....

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Another mystery concerns the statues of grossly overweight figures found in many of the Maltese temples. Their pleated skirts, generous thighs and small hands and feet have led them to being called fertility goddess deities. But they are of indeterminate sex, and furthermore, it has been noticed that the "ladies" have no breasts. As a result, archaeologists have now revised their names to the more accurate term of "obese figures." D.H.Trump comments that, "It must be admitted at the start that to describe (these obese statues), as is usually done, as a goddess or 'fat lady' may be no more than male prejudice. The sex is not explicitly indicated. Corpulence in women is frequently, though mistakenly, held to be a sign of fertility. If we call her a goddess from now on, this is a matter of probability and convenience rather than proof." Additionally, statuettes of men in skirts, with braided and pig-tailed hair, and numerous examples of carved phalluses demonstrate that the Maltese temples had a general fertility function that included both masculine and feminine elements. Nonetheless, it is true that certain figurines found in Malta, such as the Sleeping Lady and the Malta Venus, show that the Neolithic people of the island possibly had some sort of specific goddess cult.

Other important temple complexes are Tarxien, the Hypogeum, and Tas Silg on Malta and Gigantija on the nearby island of Gozo. The Tarxien site (pronounced "tar-sheen"), discovered by a farmer in 1915, is composed of three temples, one of which contains a famous statue of the lower body of a standing figure. Sometimes interpreted as a goddess statue by feminist writers (there is really no way of knowing this as the gender is indeterminate), it is one of the world's earliest known and most powerful representations of a deity (the statue in the temple is a replica, the original being in a museum in the nearby capital city of Valletta.)

boycotteverything
07-28-2009, 07:57 AM
Nice find. I may have to cross post the last paragraph on Jack's 'moon obesity circumcision' thread just to establish that his people go way back in history.

KIWI
07-28-2009, 08:14 AM
I was hoping you would !

boycotteverything
07-28-2009, 08:27 AM
ya c'n always count on me, bruvvah!

mojo
07-28-2009, 10:10 AM
Fascinating KIWI, i will have to look into this further. I have a friend of maltese descent who might be able to shed some light on the ruins.
There is a site that i used to have a link to somewhere that enabled you to virtually adjust sea levels, it would be interesting to use that software to look at varying sea levels around Malta.

I'm not too impressed by citing Hancock though, the guy is a dickhead who makes shit up to feather his own nest.

Foxtrot Oscar
07-28-2009, 11:35 AM
Mojo. You have more than one friend of Maltese decent!

Nice stuff Kiwi... I've read a bit about some of this stuff before (roots and all that) really should read some more... so I will.

May even drop a line to a local and see what he has to say!

Cheers. Top Post... Put my brain in gear!

Fox

mojo
07-28-2009, 01:12 PM
Mojo. You have more than one friend of Maltese decent!



cool.....and you have a friend of convict stock. :D

Cogburn
07-28-2009, 07:40 PM
I thought that swirl pattern in the OP looked familiar...

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11360768/Marble_Mosaic_Animal_Deisgn_Art_Tile.jpg
http://www.leaderu.com/images/art2-3.jpg

Looks distinctly Phoenician.

KIWI
07-28-2009, 09:13 PM
Fascinating KIWI, i will have to look into this further. I have a friend of maltese descent who might be able to shed some light on the ruins.
There is a site that i used to have a link to somewhere that enabled you to virtually adjust sea levels, it would be interesting to use that software to look at varying sea levels around Malta.

I'm not too impressed by citing Hancock though, the guy is a dickhead who makes shit up to feather his own nest.

yeah,.....can do a lot of damage to some otherwise good research ( not claiming this for me ) by introducing the opinions of individuals with dubious intentions......book sales.

but in the same token, thought the Hancock comment I did post was relevant

How are we to explain the fact that the oldest free-standing stone monuments in the world, which by virtue of there size and sophistication unambiguously declare themselves to have been built by a people who had already accumulated long experience in the science of megalithic construction, appear on the archaeological scene on a group of very small islands - the Maltese archipelago - that had not even been inhabited by human beings until 1600 years ago? Isn't this counter-intuitive? Wouldn't one expect a 'civilization history' to show up in the Maltese archaeological record documenting ever-more sophisticated construction techniques - and indeed wouldn't one also expect an extensive 'civilization territory' capable of supporting a reasonably sized population (rather than tiny barren islands) to surround and nourish the greatest architectural leap forward of antiquity?



he had said what I was thinking, especislly the last sentence, so only fair to quote him in this instance.Hope you get some joy with your Maltese mate, if he doesnt already have an interest in his heritage this might spark one up,.....time to phone granny!

KIWI
07-28-2009, 09:16 PM
I thought that swirl pattern in the OP looked familiar...


dive in cog, nice change for ya from lentils and big-macs,....... 8)

KIWI
07-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Mojo. You have more than one friend of Maltese decent!

Nice stuff Kiwi... I've read a bit about some of this stuff before (roots and all that) really should read some more... so I will.

May even drop a line to a local and see what he has to say!

Cheers. Top Post... Put my brain in gear!

Fox


its what got me off my arse to finally post on the Malta ruins, finding out a week or so back Fox was of Maltese descent, a bit of a "front-load".........but fuck it, not every day you get the opportunity to have a "livey" in the mix!.....cant wait 8)

Cogburn
07-28-2009, 09:22 PM
:lol:

But it's so far away...

From pictures it really looks like two cultures... one of megalith builders like the folks who brought us Stonehenge... the other seems almost laid on top... with scrolling artwork and statuary.

Given the position of Malta and our previous research into anteatlantean cultures, I wonder if this wasn't an outpost that later became a refuge.

Part of me wants to poke around for a mile offshore in all directions to see if there isn't something sunken in that area.

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
07-28-2009, 09:51 PM
There's a team mapping the cisterns... (http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~cmclark/MaltaMapping/index.html)

KIWI
07-28-2009, 09:57 PM
cheers cap.......this is an interesting site also

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com/ :shock:


http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/malta/index.php

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
07-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Pleasure, Ki!

Great post, BTW!

KIWI
07-28-2009, 10:07 PM
There's a team mapping the cisterns... (http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~cmclark/MaltaMapping/index.html)

the blog link is a great read.......


The most interesting architectural discovery for me was inside the cisterns. As the robot traveled down into the cistern, the development of the culture can be seen. As the robot goes deeper, the level of organization of the bricks change until the area is finally dug out. Seeing this is equivalent to traveling through time as each civilization developed. Malta was truly a sight to see, and nothing I say will ever compare nor truly capture actually being there to experience it.



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KIWI
07-28-2009, 10:43 PM
cog wrote

Looks distinctly Phoenician

seems the Phoenecians do feature ......

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/malta/index.php

The chronological sequence of Maltese archaeology is characterised by chapters, beginning with the earliest presence of modern humans:





Neolithic 5,000 to 4,100 BC
Temple Period 4,100 to 2,500 BC
Bronze & Iron Age 2,500 to 700 BC
Phoenicio-Punic 700 BC to 218 BC – the Phoenicians named the main island Malat, meaning ‘safe haven’
Roman 218 BC to AD 535



I dont know if they can fairly claim a knowledge of the "earliest" ,.......earliest "known" might be more accurate?

Cogburn
07-28-2009, 11:40 PM
ROFL I blame Mojo. I must have picked up more than I realized.

Careful with Google Earth satellite images. Many have been debunked as artifacting caused by the restitching of the sonar.

Those that haven't been debunked often display similar signs and may be a similar issue.

I'm not saying they aren't worthwhile, but each needs to be vetted before added to any particular theory.

I'm hunting this civilization that built this shit... the global megalithic civilization. There were many cultures, in many areas, but they all shared virtually identical technology. Their world was one of magic and astrology and massive stone creations we cannot duplicate... yet nothing else remains.

Part of me can't help but think this is all we would leave behind 30,000 years from now. Books long decayed, DVDs and CDs turned to dust. Random bits of sophisticated metalwork found rusting on a seabed or curiously encased in conglomerate stone.

I guess being a Sci-Fi nerd has it's disadvantages (beyond the obvious). I can't get the Battlestar Galactica mantra out of my head when it comes to these things: "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again."

... maybe they are just mystified by the same shit I am.

KIWI
07-29-2009, 12:07 AM
some of the native "myths" from around the world, usually dismissed as "fairy-tale" type stuff, not worthy of consideration in trying to untangle the mess which is our past, are proving to be somewhat accurate regarding some discoverys, Ive found a couple of these lately........


Careful with Google Earth satellite images. Many have been debunked as artifacting caused by the restitching of the sonar.

Those that haven't been debunked often display similar signs and may be a similar issue.

I'm not saying they aren't worthwhile, but each needs to be vetted before added to any particular theory.



fair point....

mojo
07-29-2009, 01:07 AM
the phoenician connection is an interesting one, as cog already mentioned i believe that their culture could be a lot older than mainstream scholars allow, and they were a maritime culture that seeded many outposts throughout the mediterranean, the atlantic and possibly beyond.

Cogburn
07-29-2009, 01:31 AM
I promised myself I was going to stop lamenting some of the threads lost in the Apeci.

Again I have broken that promise. :)

That thread had massive amounts of information in it.

I think we even got to the point where we had linked the Phoenicians and the Indus Valley cultures via the advent of the sail, the time their cultures appeared on the planet, and geographic proximity.

The only problem is... the theology, language, and culture are drastically different.

Atlantis, Lemuria, and Mu.

Mu actually existed in your neck of the woods. Their descendants still walk the earth today.

http://www.steveandjacqui.com/images/Didgeridoo%20Player.jpg

Australian Aboriginal mythology is our past... or at least a part of it.

mojo
07-29-2009, 01:35 AM
OK....ive been thinking about that thread as well the past couple of weeks, be impossible to get it back exactly but im sure i still have most of that information saved, i'll get it back up this weekend .

i wonder if many of the posts might be retrievable from google cache, i'll check that out as well.

Cogburn
07-29-2009, 01:43 AM
My friend that thread haunts me.

There was some real scholarly shit in there.

KIWI
07-29-2009, 08:13 AM
Mu actually existed in your neck of the woods. Their descendants still walk the earth today.


Rex has some interesting ideas...... :D
http://www.rexgilroy.com/
...Aus and NZ are no exception when it comes to the "unusual"....

I had a great experience when I was about 10, didnt quite realise at the time just how unique it would become to me. My family went away for xmas with the neighbours, to their grand-fathers place (little more than a shack) on an island in the Hauraki Gulf called Waiheke, for many years the old boy had lauched his dinghy from the same spot through a channel on his local reef, and when the water conditions were clear enough he saw jammed in the rocks ( only a couple of feet under) a "face" staring back up, one day at low-tide he took a crow-bar down to the reef and levered the "head" out.When I first saw it he had had it a number of years, and it was sitting on the old wooden floor, being used as a door-stop. It was about the size of a normal human head, very heavy, and looked more like a miniature "Olmec" artifact. The eyes were slightly almond shaped and there were two spiral designs , one on each cheek.I have contacted my mate, the old fellas grandson, to find out what happened to it. He cant recall but I have sparked his interest and he is presently making a few enquiries amongst whats left of the family. It was looked at by the Auckland Museum and they could not link it to the Maori, would love to see it again.... 8)

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/Auckland/introduction/Hauraki/default.asp#waiheke

Waiheke Island.


After Great Barrier, this is the largest island (9,324 hectares) within the Hauraki Gulf. It is 26 km long and 19 km across at its widest point, with rolling hills that reach 230 metres at the highest point.

Its name translated means cascading waters which refers to the waterfalls now within the Whakanewha Regional Park. It is a unique island settlement close to Auckland with a resident population of about 7,000 spread out around the numerous bays and beaches mainly grouped at the western end.

boycotteverything
07-29-2009, 09:28 AM
Seeing as Jack has me into cooking these days I'll post my Maltese Solution Recipe':

2 Cups Cremo
1 Cup Hancock
3 Teaspoons Heyerdahl
1 Pinch of Von Daniken
1 Dash of Plato
Copious amounts of salt water

Combine Salt Water with other ingredients, simmer slowly over over smokey fire, stirring constantly until it thickens. Serve with matzoh balls. Properly refrigerated, the leftovers can be reheated over the course of many years. ENJOY!

boycotteverything
07-29-2009, 09:35 AM
VARIATION TO RECIPE:

Add 1 teaspoon Roswell and a sprinkling of Klaatu for a refreshing alternative!

KIWI
07-30-2009, 09:18 PM
for many years the old boy had lauched his dinghy from the same spot through a channel on his local reef, and when the water conditions were clear enough he saw jammed in the rocks ( only a couple of feet under) a "face" staring back up, one day at low-tide he took a crow-bar down to the reef and levered the "head" out.When I first saw it he had had it a number of years, and it was sitting on the old wooden floor, being used as a door-stop. It was about the size of a normal human head, very heavy, and looked more like a miniature "Olmec" artifact. The eyes were slightly almond shaped and there were two spiral designs , one on each cheek.I have contacted my mate, the old fellas grandson, to find out what happened to it


...spoke to my mates mum last night, there is the chance it is here in Napier!.......one of the rellies is a palitive care nurse who looked after the old-boy in his last months, .....calling her back tonight for an update......"kiwi Jones and the temple of Doom" :whip:

mojo
07-31-2009, 02:15 AM
haha...cool kiwi, picture of the object would be cool.
particularly the swirls for comparison with other cultures of the region or even further away. ;)

boycotteverything
07-31-2009, 03:10 AM
Toss it into the Malta Solution, simmer for 4 hours, and ENJOY!