Prepare to Vomit: What the Washington Post Won't Print

[Cogburn]

This has appeared on a few websites recently. I just thought you might like to see the actual document without the commentary.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/151108.pdf

Prisoners being dangled from iron bars for 5 hours at a shot and being forced to wear nothing but women's panties for 50 days is the least of the horror.

Enjoy.

[offsite:i9jykdf4]I saw ----------- fucking a kid, his age would be about 15 - 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn't covered, and I saw ----------- who was in military uniform putting his dick in the little kids ass.[/offsite:i9jykdf4]

[offsite:i9jykdf4]In the cell that is almost under it, on the North side, and I was right across from it on the other side. They put the sheets again on the door. Grainer and his helper they cuffed one prisoner in room #1, named -----------, he was an Iraqi citizen. They tied him to the bed and they were inserted the phosphoric light in his ass and he was yelling for God's help.[/offsite:i9jykdf4]

[mojo]

sickening.

nothing excuses that sort of behaviour, not war, not revenge, not terrorism....nothing.

[Snow Crash]

Nice find Cog...

Walking, talking, saluting pieces of shit. Fuck being a disgrace to the US Military and the USA itself. They are a disgrace to humanity.

[WarlordZeroOne]

That is Horrific Cog, and in all fairness there is alway's the few in any army that give your country a bad name, in the UK some experienced soldiers are as bad,these Mothers should be brought to justice, if only to set a public example,will it happen,i do not think so. :projectile:

[lala]

I found this, by the looks they used lower ranking staff as their scape goats . . .

http://www.humanrights-geneva.info/Bracing-for-new-prisoner-abuse,4385
[offsite:3u72gxe8]While the content of the new images is not known, some members of Congress, who viewed them in a classified setting, have said they are far worse than the Abu Ghraib images.

Following the public release of the Abu Ghraib photos on television in 2004, the Pentagon commissioned more than a dozen separate investigations of what took place and why. Some 26 military personnel, mostly low-ranking enlisted soldiers, were convicted or reprimanded.

An Army intelligence colonel received immunity for his testimony. The commander of the Abu Ghraib detention centre, Brigadier General Janice Karpinsky, was demoted to colonel. She continues to insist that she was a scapegoat.

None of the investigations pinpointed responsibility for the abuses to any higher-ranking George W. Bush administration or military or civilian Pentagon leader.

The investigation reports contain sentences such as, "Clearly abuses occurred at the prison at Abu Ghraib. There is no single, simple explanation for why this abuse at Abu Ghraib happened. The primary causes are misconduct (ranging from inhumane to sadistic) by a small group of morally corrupt soldiers and civilians, a lack of discipline on the part of the leaders and soldiers… and a failure or lack of leadership…"

One of the other investigations was headed by former Defence Secretary James Schlesinger. He reported, "The events of October through December 2003 on the night shift of Tier 1 at Abu Ghraib prison were acts of brutality and purposeless sadism. We now know these abuses occurred at the hands of both military police and military intelligence personnel."

"The pictured abuses, unacceptable even in wartime, were not part of authorized interrogations nor were they even directed at intelligence targets. They represent deviant behavior and a failure of military leadership and discipline. Department of Defense reform efforts are underway and the Panel commends these efforts."

President Bush described the perpetrators in the Abu Ghraib photos as "a few American troops who dishonoured our country and disregarded our values." He meant low-ranking soldiers like Private First Class Lynddie England and Sergeant Charles Graner, who were among those who received prison terms for their role in the scandal.

The scope of each of the investigative assignments was determined – and limited - by the Pentagon. Thus, the officer heading up the first investigation was ordered to find out what happened only within the 800th Military Police (MP) Brigade in U.S. military prisons in Iraq, and only in Iraq.

The leader of that investigation, Major General Antonio Taguba, concluded that "The 800th MP Brigade was not adequately trained for a mission that included operating a prison or penal institution at Abu Ghraib Prison Complex."

He said, "Units of the 800th MP Brigade did not receive corrections-specific training during their mobilization period. MP units did not receive pinpoint assignments prior to mobilization and during the post mobilization training, and thus could not train for specific missions. The training that was accomplished at the mobilization sites were developed and implemented at the company level with little or no direction or supervision at the Battalion and Brigade levels, and consisted primarily of common tasks and law enforcement training."

Nevertheless, Gen. Taguba concluded that the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib went far beyond the actions of a few sadistic military police officers. His report said 27 military intelligence soldiers and civilian contractors committed criminal offences, and that military officials hid prisoners from the Red Cross.

Gen. Taguba was forced into retirement by civilian Pentagon officials because he had been ’’overzealous.’’ ’’They always shoot the messenger,’’ Taguba said. He has recently accused former President Bush of war crimes.

It was an ordinary soldier who was troubled enough by what he saw at Abu Ghraib to photograph it and put it on a CD that he turned over to his superiors. And it was the military itself that announced, in 2003, that an investigation by the U.S. Army’s Criminal Investigation Command was underway into alleged prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib.

Few journalists paid much attention to this investigation. Some have since pointed out that at that time the Iraq war had just begun and the war’s public spokesperson, former Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, was something of a rock star with the press.

Due to the recent release of memoranda prepared by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the public has learned that by the time the Abu Ghraib photos were released in 2003, the Bush administration’s "enhanced interrogation" policy was already in place and being implemented.

Regarding the photos to be released on May 28, ACLU attorney Amrit Singh said, "These photographs provide visual proof that prisoner abuse by U.S. personnel was not aberrational but widespread, reaching far beyond the walls of Abu Ghraib."

She says, "Their disclosure is critical for helping the public understand the scope and scale of prisoner abuse as well as for holding senior officials accountable for authorising or permitting such abuse."

Since the ACLU’s FOIA request in 2003, the Bush administration had refused to disclose these images, the ACLU said. The administration claimed that disclosure of such evidence would generate outrage and would violate U.S. obligations toward detainees under the Geneva Conventions.

But, in September 2008, a U.S. Appeals Court ruled that disclosure of the photos was required, thus rejecting the Bush administration’s position. The court ruled that there was significant public interest in disclosure of the photographs. The Bush administration’s appeal to the full appeals court was denied on Mar. 11 of this year.

"The disclosure of these photographs serves as a further reminder that abuse of prisoners in U.S.-administered detention centers was systemic," said Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU National Security Project.

He told IPS, "Some of the abuse occurred because senior civilian and military officials created a culture of impunity in which abuse was tolerated, and some of the abuse was expressly authorised. It’s imperative that senior officials who condoned or authorised abuse now be held accountable for their actions."[/offsite:3u72gxe8]

[KIWI]

this doco was on a couple of weeks back,......

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[boycotteverything]

just one word: Haditha.

[KIWI]

just one word: Haditha.


Malaysia's highest selling moped ?

[boycotteverything]

just one word: Haditha.


Malaysia's highest selling moped ?Only if they're made of teeth and hair. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/26/AR2006052602069.html

[KIWI]

another me lie Vietnam :machinegun:

[boycotteverything]

the purpose of soldiers is to kill- we ought not be surprised when they do a thorough job, i guess.

[KIWI]

Only if they're made of teeth and hair.

......like after a "head-on" with a water buffalo?

[boycotteverything]

sure. and also after a love-in with a marine.

[KIWI]

sure. and also after a love-in with a marine.


.......collateral damage :cry:

[hp]

He said, "Units of the 800th MP Brigade did not receive corrections-specific training during their mobilization period.

How much training time is required for stating 'No sexual assault or sexual abuse of the prisoners'. This seems to imply that for some personnel ,understanding that concept, is a major learning effort.

The scary part is people with this mind set return and become LEOs or other so called respected 'because of their service' people.

It's about time that some of these support our troops bumper stickers take on a Deliverance theme.

[Ducky]

This has appeared on a few websites recently. I just thought you might like to see the actual document without the commentary.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/151108.pdf

Prisoners being dangled from iron bars for 5 hours at a shot and being forced to wear nothing but women's panties for 50 days is the least of the horror.

Enjoy.

[offsite:364f4xxm]I saw ----------- fucking a kid, his age would be about 15 - 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn't covered, and I saw ----------- who was in military uniform putting his dick in the little kids ass.[/offsite:364f4xxm]

[offsite:364f4xxm]In the cell that is almost under it, on the North side, and I was right across from it on the other side. They put the sheets again on the door. Grainer and his helper they cuffed one prisoner in room #1, named -----------, he was an Iraqi citizen. They tied him to the bed and they were inserted the phosphoric light in his ass and he was yelling for God's help.[/offsite:364f4xxm]

Line them up for me. I'm actually a good shot. My own personal shooting gallery.

[mojo]

the purpose of soldiers is to kill- we ought not be surprised when they do a thorough job, i guess.

yep if it was just killing.

whats posted is torture for fun......no excuse.

[Cogburn]

the purpose of soldiers is to kill- we ought not be surprised when they do a thorough job, i guess.

yep if it was just killing.

whats posted is torture for fun......no excuse.
The fact that this nation created such a House of Horrors is little more than things coming full circle.

In any way that is important, we have become the nation that we never wanted to be.

[skunk]

All for the sake of fighting "terrorism". God bless AmeriKa.

[guinnessford]

In any way that is important, we have become the nation that we never wanted to be.

Hear Hear

[lala]

The fact that this nation created such a House of Horrors is little more than things coming full circle.

In any way that is important, we have become the nation that we never wanted to be.


Isn't it sad . . . .history repeating it self . . .but at the same token, what made these people behave in such a manner, was it orders . . .or them just going to far . . . is that what happens when we place people under that kind of pressure, is that what war breeds!!!! No wonder people end up fucked up . . .

[FancyFree]

That is absolutely unexcusable behavior...I think they should be publicly humiliated for this.......they think they are big tough soldiers but when their friends and families find out what kind of sick shit they are pulling on prisoners, it may open the eyes of alot of people. Sick, perverted, fucks.

[Ducky]

That is absolutely unexcusable behavior...I think they should be publicly humiliated for this.......they think they are big tough soldiers but when their friends and families find out what kind of sick shit they are pulling on prisoners, it may open the eyes of alot of people. Sick, perverted, fucks.

heheheheh

I'm usuallly the first one to be pitted up against the 'perverbial firing squad'.

This time...I want dibs on those sonsofbitches that thought they could get away with that shit.

Hey Jess? $50 bucks says I can rip a shot through 2 of them at once, with an elephant bullet at 100 ft?


Aint I a stinker?

[FancyFree]

lol ducks, if anyone could do it, you could!!! I'd like to take a shot of what's left of them after you're done. I could use some target practice too!

[Ducky]

lol ducks, if anyone could do it, you could!!! I'd like to take a shot of what's left of them after you're done. I could use some target practice too!

Thata girl.

Stay sharp babes.

[boycotteverything]

unfortunately that makes you as sick as them.

[guinnessford]

I really dont know what to say, for once.

And Ive thought about it all day.

I see what both sides of the members here are saying, but it still seems very wrong inside to me.

Understanding that we sent soldiers to kill people, and they were all "post 9-11" inside, I really cant see raping a 15 yr old boy would stop another attack.

I think that soldier was just a homo fucking rapist that happened to be working in a prison.

Out of the thousands of prisoners that were there, say 85% were tortured, how many actual "leads" did we get that broke up a "supposed" terror cell?

I do have a certain empathy for some of the enlisted/recruited/rotc/officers that maybe only did some small things, but cant quite put a grasp on alot of the other stuff.

I may never understand it, I would feel alot better about some of it if there was some huge news and giant bust that save the world, ya know?

[Snow Crash]

was it orders

Well, even if it was, it is no defence to the charge of War Crimes. Some other soldiers tried that before. Nuremberg.

But if not orders, what you may have found is that people got a lot of suggestion aimed at them by higher-ups, who in turn, turned a blind eye, and so encrouaging it. And let us not forget, an awful lot of these people are easily blinded by brightly coloured bits of cloth, and generally have issues thinking for themselves, and as such are wide open to programming. And their Masters are so very good at programming the faithful. Don't forget, at that time, most of them believed with every fibre of their being (and in some cases, still do, I do not doubt) the Iraqi's had a hand in 9/11.

Still though, where the fuck is the basic morality? Raping men, women, and children, simply because they are of the people under the heel of the occupying army? Seems the Dark Ages mentality never really left some people.

[KIWI]

it seems the only mistake Hitler made was to not pass a law exonerating himself and his cronies from all responsibillity for thier murderous spree, ....unlike Bush and his mob......scum

[WarlordZeroOne]

Take notice its still no big issue stateside,we all know who is pulling the strings, war of any kind is dirty, from the Top brass to the lowest rank,someone has to be the culprits,its alway's the lower ranks who get the shit,more often than not, these military prisons should be overseen by proper and just civilians, then the torture show, should or would vanish,but the old question is, we have a security guard, but who watches over the security guards,etc, you cannot trust anybody these days.

[KIWI]

WZ0 said

these military prisons should be overseen by proper and just civilians, then the torture show, should or would vanish,but the old question is, we have a security guard, but who watches over the security guards,etc, you cannot trust anybody these days.



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http://everything2.com/node/505587

[offsite:3r0qr9ak]I'm sure Philip Zimbardo has done many interesting experiments, but the one that people mean when they refer to the 'Zimbardo Experiment' is the Stanford Prison Experiment. In 1971 Zimbardo (along with others) conducted an experiment to observe the effect of settings on people's behavior. Zimbardo had enlisted the help of 24 college students to act either the part of prison guards or prisoners. The students were assigned to these roles randomly.

On the morning the experiment started, the local Palo Alto police department assisted Zimbardo with the arrests' of the 'prisoner' students. The students were (to their surprise) individually picked up by real police for violating Penal Codes 211, Armed Robbery, and Burglary. They were treated to full police procedure, including handcuffs. When the 'prisoners' arrived at the police station they were formally booked, finger printed, and taken to a holding cell where they were left blindfolded. They were next driven to the "Stanford County Jail", a mock up of a prison in the basement of the Stanford University psychology building. There they were searched, stripped naked, and deloused. They were then given a prison uniform (a smock) and chained at the ankle.

The 'guards' received no training, only being told that this was a serious and possibly dangerous mission, and to deal with it as they saw fit. They were given khaki uniforms, billy clubs, and mirrored sunglasses.

The prisoners had to ask the guards before doing anything, from smoking a cigarettes to going to the bathroom. The guards were told to rouse the prisoners for 'counts' once per guard shift, waking them up from sleep if necessary. During these 'counts' the prisoners were asked for their identification numbers and quizzed on the prison rules. As the experiment went on, the guards spontaneously increased the length of the 'counts' from ten minutes up to over an hour, during which they mocked and ridiculed the prisoners.

"I was pretty surprised at myself... I made them call each other names and clean out the toilets with their bare hands. I practically considered the prisoners cattle, and I kept thinking: 'I have to watch out for them in case they try something'"
-- Guard M
By the second day, the 'prisoners' rebelled, ripping off their identification numbers and barricading themselves inside the cells. This lasted until the morning shift came in, replacing the night shift. The 'guards' acted in force, calling in reinforcements (other 'guards' who were off shift). The guards first used freezing fire extinguisher spray to force the prisoners away from the cell doors. They then broke into the cells, stripped the prisoners naked, and put the ringleaders of the rebellion into solitary confinement.

The 'guards' then set up a 'privileged cell', in which the good 'prisoners' could stay. The privileges included being allowed to keep their beds, wear their uniforms, wash, and eat regularly. The 'guards' next switched the 'prisoners' in the bad cell with the 'prisoners' in the good cell. I'm not sure what they expected to gain with this tactic, but it confused the 'prisoners'. This is apparently not uncommon in real prisons, and is intended to turn the prisoners against each other. Soon the 'guards' were using bathroom privileges (as opposed to a bucket in the cell) and smoking privileges to help control the 'prisoners'.

36 hours after the experiment started, the first 'prisoner' broke down, suffering emotional disturbance, disorganized thinking, uncontrollable crying, and rage. After Zimbardo and the other experimenters convinced themselves that he wasn't faking (why should that matter? The students were supposed to be able to leave the experiment whenever they wanted. They were already getting too wrapped up in the experiment themselves), they let him go.

The next day was the visiting day. The prisoners' families and friends could come and see how the prisoners were doing. The prisoners were shaved and washed, fed a good dinner, and made to clean their cells. Despite some worried parents, all the prisoners stayed.

Next were rumors of an escape plot. The released prisoner was rumored to be coming with helpers to release the prisoners. Instead of studying it, the experimenters took up arms to stop it. It is also at this point that Zimbardo frankly admits that he and the other experimenters were too wrapped up in the experiment. The prisoners were chained, blindfolded, and marched up to a new prison on the fifth floor. When the rescuers arrived, only Zimbardo would be in the basement, and would tell them that the experiment had been canceled. The rescuers never showed up.

The guards were angry. Endless push-ups, jumping jacks, and meaningless repetitive tasks (such as cleaning the toilets) were assigned to punish the prisoners. The situation did not improve, and on the sixth day since the experiment began Zimbardo called an end to the whole thing - 8 days earlier than planned.[/offsite:3r0qr9ak]

[boycotteverything]

And thus the proof that 'there's a little Nixon inside all of us.'


Take notice its still no big issue statesideNo big issue? I beg to differ- it's the only issue 'stateside.' It's the ethical conundrum that pervades all of waking life in America. As it should be.It's an issue that's been debated ad nauseum right here in these threads. "By what ethical standard shall we judge our actions?" At the moment it seems that the Rambo vendettists have the upper hand; you know- 'the shoot the bastards crowd.'
lol ducks, if anyone could do it, you could!!! I'd like to take a shot of what's left of them after you're done. I could use some target practice too! But I see a positive movement towards a Beatitude solution as well. The corollary question has to do with the courage to be just and merciful in any circumstance.

[guinnessford]

Take notice its still no big issue stateside

In a way, yes.

If someone put all the things that transpired FULLY on tv, there would be.

There is accountability, but like we all know, the lower ranks.

If this was fully out there may be some shit rolling uphill for once.

Im at work now, and Im gonna show people this page and see if they had any idea thats what happened.

Ill let you all know the reactions.

[Lexion]

Ok, step the fuck off.

Don't allow the actions of a few to
pervert your perception of the whole.

Yes this shit happens.

No, the majority do not do it.

To paint the military/gov with a broad
brush, in all the same color is not only
wrong, it's fucking stupid.

The knee-jerk reactions to shoot these
people may be the exact same reason
said people did what they did.

Look in a fucking mirror.

There, but for the grace of God....

Lex

[guinnessford]

I have no knee-jerk reaction, and also figure theyre following orders.

And I realise this one asshole rapist is just an asshole rapist, not told to rape kids by his superior.

Nobody I showed the paper to had any idea that deep a shitstorm happened, figured it was all waterboarding.

How hard do you think it hits if ALL that stuff made it to the 6oclock news?

[boycotteverything]

Ok, step the fuck off.
The knee-jerk reactions to shoot these
people may be the exact same reason
said people did what they did.

Look in a fucking mirror.


LexYes- and it all starts with this kind of mentality-
Line them up for me. I'm actually a good shot. My own personal shooting gallery.
As the hippies were so fond of saying, "what comes around goes around." Stupidity will always be with us.

[KIWI]

be said

No big issue? I beg to differ- it's the only issue 'stateside.' It's the ethical conundrum that pervades all of waking life in America. As it should be.It's an issue that's been debated ad nauseum right here in these threads. "By what ethical standard shall we judge our actions?" At the moment it seems that the Rambo vendettists have the upper hand; you know- 'the shoot the bastards crowd.'


YEE-HAA !!!!!.......is not a policy :jedi:

[boycotteverything]

you said it better than me. yippy kie yay, cowboy.

[Ima Nasshole]

So by this logic we should view every man wearing a turbin to be the decapitating muslim extremist? Sorry folks, I'm with Lex on this one... For the same reason a few muslim extremists don't represent the whole population, a few sick individuals in uniform do not make an army.

[boycotteverything]

i think if you spend a bit of time reading this thread you'll find that everyone is on the same page as Lex- except Duck and her xxx friend, who'd like to use soldiers for target practice.

[guinnessford]

Seems that way, B.E.

[Jackinthebox]

Taxi to the Darkside was an excellent movie. Lot of fucked up shit with the what we have done to the war prisoners no doubt. I've got people that have told me some shit first hand that would turn your stomach.

But having said that, it really is no surprise. We do this shit to our own people. The US keeps more of it's own people in prison than any other country in the world, including Communist China. And they have about four times as many people as we do. The US alone has more than 25% of the global prison population, and that doesn't even include the "terrorists."

[Lexion]

i think if you spend a bit of time reading this thread you'll find that everyone is on the same page as Lex-

Which is a drastic change.


I've got people that have told me some shit first hand that would turn your stomach.

Want to hear some of my stories ?

Nah........already did that here.

Yet, you laugh at U.S. POW's.

Yeah.........

Sickened,
Lex

[Jackinthebox]

Yet, you laugh at U.S. POW's.

Quoi?

[Lexion]

We sat there and laughed at the Iraqis for trying it. We knew damn well our people were being forced to say those things.

From AmKon (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=quote&f=21&p=113421)

Non ?

Lex

[Jackinthebox]

We sat there and laughed at the Iraqis for trying it. We knew damn well our people were being forced to say those things.

From AmKon (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=quote&f=21&p=113421)

Non ?

Lex

Where the fuck does that say anything about laughing at POW's? Is English not your native tongue or are you really that stoopid, I mean come on. Are you fickin kidding me here?

[Ducky]

i think if you spend a bit of time reading this thread you'll find that everyone is on the same page as Lex- except Duck and her xxx friend, who'd like to use soldiers for target practice.

Why don't you shut your fucking disgusting disinfo butthole?

You're a goddam cowardly TROLL, and everytime you post you seem to lick everyone's pussy. Looking for affiramation.

If everyone were to look in their 'user control panel' they would see you kissing their butt. 'Smite this and that'.... I FUCKIN GUARENTEE IT.

You see...I don't mind posting this.

Ce n'est pas ma fault vous est un bete.

Translated:

It's not my fault you're an ass.

That's how you work.

Your days are numbered OLD MAN.

[Cogburn]

... and duly smited.

[FancyFree]

you go girl!!!