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mojo
07-24-2009, 02:02 AM
Although there is no doubt that other Europeans had discovered and knew of the America's before Columbus the authenticity of this map is another piece of crucial evidence that perhaps trans oceanic voyages in pre history were not as uncommon as thought by mainstream scholars.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090717/sc_nm/us_science_map_america

"All the tests that we have done over the past five years -- on the materials and other aspects -- do not show any signs of forgery," Rene Larsen, rector of the School of Conservation under the Royal Danish Academy of Fine Arts, told Reuters.

The Vinland Map is not a "Viking map" and does not alter the historical understanding of who first sailed to North America. But if it is genuine, it shows that the New World was known not only to Norsemen but also to other Europeans at least half a century before Columbus's voyage.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/Vinland_Map_HiRes.jpg



Some other articles regarding the maps authenticity.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vinland-map-could-be-authentic

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/vinland.htm

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
07-24-2009, 02:21 AM
Columbus was an asshole...

Cogburn
07-24-2009, 03:09 AM
What's interesting is that there's no tip of Africa, but there is Finland and Japan.

They went around through the Arctic circle. That's some fucking balls.

Rivers mapped in inland China. Caspian Sea. Grecian archipelagos.

Vikings and Samurai? Ludafisk in the South Pacific?

What the fuck is this? North America is the least amazing thing on that map.

KIWI
07-24-2009, 04:24 AM
some confusion on the anastase, from the comments at the bottom of one of your links......

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vinland-map-could-be-authentic

[offsite:33h7frrr]Broadlands at 09:34 PM on 07/22/09
The following is a direct response to this comment.

Sadly, KendoBoSai is correct... "The ink contained jagged yellow crystals of anatase, a titanium-bearing mineral rarely found in nature that became commercially available in 20th-century printing ink. " Problem is that the reporter Choi, got it wrong! A major goof on his part! I wrote to him at the time (Feb. 2004)...
Dear Charles:

I have now seen a copy of your article. I do not know if you had your manuscript reviewed prior to submission, but unfortunately, you made a couple of serious errors that may, as a result, become "embedded" by some who will read your work and take it as “gospel”. You state: "The ink contained jagged yellow crystals of anatase..." This is completely incorrect. The crystals in the ink are rounded, not jagged. This is not a minor point because were they jagged this would indicate a ground-up material and it would not be confused with modern commercial anatase crystals.

The "fruit" of his error has now ripened.[/offsite:33h7frrr]

WarlordZeroOne
07-24-2009, 05:41 AM
Must have been some expert Cartographer who did this MAP, look at thall the detail,how on earth in those days do you get almost perfect shapes of country's fom a wind going sea vessels, how long doe's anyone think it would take to actually make this kind of detailed Map,how many Tens of years from a sea going wid vessel? Quite amazing.

WITCH HUNT
07-24-2009, 06:13 AM
Warlord had said:

"how long doe's anyone think it would take to actually make this kind of detailed Map,how many Tens of years from a sea going wid vessel? Quite amazing."

It was probably a compilation. I don't think that the Nordic peoples made it to the far east. It is still an amazing feat though, fuckin' balls is right!

boycotteverything
07-24-2009, 08:39 AM
"Not a Forgery" is far from conclusive as a reading of the article testifies. Kiwi's allusion to the 2004 SA essay on the subject is also instructive. Personally, I vote 'fake.'

The only thing that is certain, Towe says, is this won't be the end of the Vinland controversy. "This thing has a life of it's own," he says.

boycotteverything
07-24-2009, 08:51 AM
They went around through the Arctic circle. That's some fucking balls.Maybe they went the other direction. The planet IS round after all.

apeci
07-24-2009, 09:29 AM
Going through the arctic circle may not have been that ballsy if they went during the medieval warming period, the same time at which the Vinland colony was established.