Special place for Jack: obese alien circumcision on the moon

[boycotteverything]

I'm sure you'll all agree that Jackinthebox's eclectic health rants deserve a home of their own. As a special service I've decided to supply one. Introducing the "obese alien circumcision on the moon" thread. Have at it, Jack!

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[Jackinthebox]

Glad you think it's funny shill/sheep. Now do you really think those kids did that to themselves. Do you really think their parents have done that to them intentionally. You're such a humanitarian. Must be nice to not be faced with this sort of thing and have all the natural homegrown food you need to keep your family from dieing of heart disease, cancer, liver failure, etc. What a douche.

[Lexion]

AhhhHA !!!

BE has another fan.

Sweet,
Lex

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

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[Ra187]

omg hahahahahhahahahahahahah
i think i just peed my pants.

[Jackinthebox]

Well, if this is gonna be a fun with fatties thread, you guys are gonna have to wait a few days til I get back to my image stockpile. GET IN MY BELLY!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Fun with fatty?
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[Cogburn]

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[Lexion]

Fun with fatty?
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Omg....

That's Bad Mama Jamma !!

Bad Mama Jamma (http://movie.tlavideo.com/badmamajamareturns/index.html)

I watch WAY too much porn.

Giggity,
Lex

[hp]

Start'em early with toy bribes. Since when is doing the right thing or concern for people important in making money. Everyone is expendable once they are relived of their money.

[lala]

Ive been looking around for people being over weight, through medical problems, which there are a lot of different issues but they generally can be managed, here is the only one I've found that they cannot help and don't know why it is happening . . . .


Mandy Sellars (pictured here), 33, from Lancashire of England, may be suffering from an extremely rare disease called Proteus syndrome [wikipedia] that left two of her legs weighing 92-98kg out of total body weight about 130kg. What’s the worse, the abnormal legs never stops growing, and one day, they may have to be amputated. http://www.hollywoodcelebgossips.com/2008/09/20/mandy-sellars-british-woman-with-gigantic-legsfeet-suffering-proteus-syndrome-pictures/



In NZ we do have a lot of people with weight issues, most through over eating, some created through injury and some with health issues . . . but I find that it does seem to run in families . . . the main thing is that most of these people have become almost completely in active in there life style. . . and as the years go on, we all are to certain degree's. The fact that the kids cannot run around on the street, that it not safe out after a certain time, limits people. Just the energy for house work has been reduced with all the equipment that avaible now . . . no one seem to be walking any where, At our schools for the last few years thats what they been trying to get across to the kids the importance of fresh food and exercise to have a balanced life style . . . they have fruit time, water time, sun block time not allowed out side at all without your hat . . .hammered till the age of 11 then its dropped . . .

[Jackinthebox]

Start'em early with toy bribes. Since when is doing the right thing or concern for people important in making money. Everyone is expendable once they are relived of their money.

And this is a fact of the matter.

[guinnessford]

It is 99.9% the parents fault, not watching what their kids eat.

Dont blame fast food, its like blaming Glock for some gangster gettin plugged in his bucket.

Fat kids get fat by the parents BUYING the food for them.

I dont think lil spud there in the pic has a part time job, and supports himself.

Or maybe hes tapping residuals from his 401k to subsidise his fatness?

Gimme a break, its another cop-out for some lazy-get-rich-quick-its-not-my-fault-im-gonna-sue-someone-for-it-so-I-dont-look-incompetent attitude that so many LAZY FATASS AMERIKANS have.

Why face the problem myself and step up to the plate??

My lawyer said theres always someone to sue!

Or maybe fast food places are just giving the stuff out on the corners?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

And this is a fact of the matter.

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And it's a MacT of the Fatter...Yo!

[guinnessford]

Hmmm bet theres some proud parents that wont have to worry about unwanted pregnancies, or spending money on the proms, huh?

If I was that shape, id inject a fukkin bubble in my vein.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Hey Captain,Any idea how nuch the FAT lady paid the guy, he should have had his ankle tied to BED, thats a lot of fanny to get sucked into. lol

[Jackinthebox]

Dont blame fast food, its like blaming Glock for some gangster gettin plugged in his bucket.

Nah, more like blaming Glock for the gun exploding in your hand and then having to watch the homies pull a Clockwork Orange on your wife and kids.

[Cogburn]

My wife and kid are just as dangerous as I am.

Personal responsibility doesn't require having a penis.

[Jackinthebox]

My wife and kid are just as dangerous as I am.

Personal responsibility doesn't require having a penis.

You missed the point entirely. Doesn't surprise me though.

[Cogburn]

Dont blame fast food, its like blaming Glock for some gangster gettin plugged in his bucket.

Nah, more like blaming Glock for the gun exploding in your hand and then having to watch the homies pull a Clockwork Orange on your wife and kids.
You're suggesting that once the man loses the gun that the wife and kids are instantly rapebait.

It may not have been the point you were intending to make, but it was as sexist as your intended remarks were stupid.

[guinnessford]

Dont blame fast food, its like blaming Glock for some gangster gettin plugged in his bucket.

Nah, more like blaming Glock for the gun exploding in your hand and then having to watch the homies pull a Clockwork Orange on your wife and kids.


What happens if the wife and kids carry?

And using that as an example is about a good as saying cheesburgers explode in the fucking behemoths hands.

The parents are responsible, unless these kids are making their own money.

[Ducky]

The way I see it...

It's basically up to the parents to provide (to the best of their abilities) nutritious food for the young ones until they leave the nest (not including the 20-something-hang-um-arounds/basement puter geeks)

If the little brats start dipping into the pantry - aside from the fact - then somewhere along the line, they learned when/how to stuff their faces with junk food.

Though I'm with the contention that the majority of foods are being GE and laced with addictive shit from time to time (succulent and juicy tv commercials don't help the matter), but basically in the end, it's up to ALL OF US to do our homework here folks.

Food is either your friend or enemy. And the way it's being purveyed in the mainstream in the last while, I offer this advice:

"know thy enemy"

Sad but true.

[Jackinthebox]

You're suggesting that once the man loses the gun that the wife and kids are instantly rapebait.

It may not have been the point you were intending to make, but it was as sexist as your intended remarks were stupid.

Not sexist at all. Just an example. But if you want, then fine, the Glock blew up in the wife's hand and she had to sit and watch Bubba go to town on her husbands asstube. Better? But of course if you remembered the movie you would have realized that it didn't make a shit bit of difference in the long run anyway.

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[Jackinthebox]

What happens if the wife and kids carry?

And using that as an example is about a good as saying cheesburgers explode in the fucking behemoths hands.

The parents are responsible, unless these kids are making their own money.

Which at 14 he might very well have been making his own money. That's how old I was when I first started paying taxes.

And besides, if the parents are responsible, then how is it that there are juveniles on death row?

As far as the wife and kids carrying goes, that's great. Better hope they didn't get some shitty ammo too.

[Jackinthebox]

The way I see it...

It's basically up to the parents to provide (to the best of their abilities) nutritious food for the young ones until they leave the nest (not including the 20-something-hang-um-arounds/basement puter geeks)

If the little brats start dipping into the pantry - aside from the fact - then somewhere along the line, they learned when/how to stuff their faces with junk food.

Though I'm with the contention that the majority of foods are being GE and laced with addictive shit from time to time (succulent and juicy tv commercials don't help the matter), but basically in the end, it's up to ALL OF US to do our homework here folks.

Food is either your friend or enemy. And the way it's being purveyed in the mainstream in the last while, I offer this advice:

"know thy enemy"

Sad but true.

If the mother had denied the kid healthy food, deliberately, then I could see it being a case of neglect. Or perhaps if she force-fed him.

[guinnessford]

I dont buy re-loads, never trusted em.

Dont buy that kmart shit either.

And when you were 14 paying ur taxes, who was responsible to feed, clothe and shelter you?

I know whenever the cops brought my ass home, or locked me up, I couldnt sign myself out.

Cuz the parents are responsible until Emancipated, or 18. Simple.

Kids are on death row because you cant imprison the person that didnt perpetrate the crime.

I was in juvey with Boota Taylor in R.I., look his case up, itll say alot about why kids are on death row, contempt and malice play alot into it.

I think he may still be in Super-Max at the A.C.I.

[Jackinthebox]

I dont buy re-loads, never trusted em.

Dont buy that kmart shit either.

Okay, whatever. And?



And when you were 14 paying ur taxes, who was responsible to feed, clothe and shelter you?

I know whenever the cops brought my ass home, or locked me up, I couldnt sign myself out.

Cuz the parents are responsible until Emancipated, or 18. Simple.

She didn't deny him food first of all. And second of all, there are plenty of parents out there today who can't provide for the basic necessities. And feeding their kids fucking crap junk food is a huge part of that problem of parents not being able to get by on shit wages or even no jobs at all since they have been shipped overseas. How the fuck is that neglect? She doesn't control the economy.



Kids are on death row because you cant imprison the person that didnt perpetrate the crime.

I was in juvey with Boota Taylor in R.I., look his case up, itll say alot about why kids are on death row, contempt and malice play alot into it.

I think he may still be in Super-Max at the A.C.I.

I don't really care "why" kids are on death row to tell you the truth. Either kids can think for themselves or they can't.

[guinnessford]

And ultimately its that kids hand that drags a fat burger up to his fat face.

Over and Oover.

Not his moms.

Re-loads are what blow up in your hand.

Obviously you must either be fat, or have a fat kid in order to want to sefend this or blame it on the economy.

Fast food costs more that healthy food, the difference is lazy parents dont shop for it, or prepare it.

[Jackinthebox]

And ultimately its that kids hand that drags a fat burger up to his fat face.

Over and Oover.

Not his moms.

Re-loads are what blow up in your hand.

Obviously you must either be fat, or have a fat kid in order to want to sefend this or blame it on the economy.

Fast food costs more that healthy food, the difference is lazy parents dont shop for it, or prepare it.

Yeah, the kids hand, not his mothers. So if the kid went out and shot somebody, should the mother go to jail for neglect too?

And obviously you've come into this debate without the facts and armed only with the presumptions that have been pumped into your head by the propaganda machine. Wake up friend. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick here. Please try to think outside the box a little, and look at the facts...

"Let them eat cake" (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=7488)

Oh, and for the record, it is FAR cheaper to eat unhealthy processed foods than healthy natural organic foods.

[guinnessford]

Fact: I can feed my family a full meal for 6 dollars if i shop, and cook it.

Meal at Mcd is 20 plus dollars. Its got nothing to do with healthy.

Its LAZINESS. Thats how u get fat, and get fatter.

Fact: Neglect of a child, which is what the charge is here, isnt anything near murder.

Get your facts straight.

Fact: Under 18, you are in the custody of your parents. And assume ALL responsibility, for THE WELL BEING OF THE CHILD.

That has jack shit to do with kids being on death row, at all, ever. Or if a minor commits a crime.

Those are facts, and until you or anyone else can show otherwise, thats the way it is.

[Jackinthebox]

Fact: I can feed my family a full meal for 6 dollars if i shop, and cook it.

Meal at Mcd is 20 plus dollars. Its got nothing to do with healthy.

Its LAZINESS. Thats how u get fat, and get fatter.

Fact: Neglect of a child, which is what the charge is here, isnt anything near murder.

Get your facts straight.

Fact: Under 18, you are in the custody of your parents. And assume ALL responsibility, for THE WELL BEING OF THE CHILD.

That has jack shit to do with kids being on death row, at all, ever. Or if a minor commits a crime.

Those are facts, and until you or anyone else can show otherwise, thats the way it is.

Show me how to feed a family of four on six bucks. A good, filling, healthy meal. In fact, I want three different meals since no one is expected to eat the same thing every night. I also want you to account for the the cost of refrigeration, cooking heat source, cleanup, and equipment.

[guinnessford]

I dont need to show you shit, I do it every week.

I feed a family of 3 for 6 to 8 bucks, and if it was any fast food it would be close to 20.

How bout you, since you are challenging it, prove otherwise, and if you dont like it tough shit.

I do it each day. simple, and its a fact of laziness. not cost.

[Jackinthebox]

I dont need to show you shit, I do it every week.

I feed a family of 3 for 6 to 8 bucks, and if it was any fast food it would be close to 20.

How bout you, since you are challenging it, prove otherwise, and if you dont like it tough shit.

I do it each day. simple, and its a fact of laziness. not cost.

Can't show your work huh? I have shown all sorts of evidence time and time again. But you can't even back up your bullshit claim with a few figures. Oh, and nice display of logic fail too.

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13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

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[Jackinthebox]

dbbl post

[boycotteverything]

http://busycooks.about.com/od/inexpensiverecipes/Inexpensive_Recipes_Meals_under_10_Cheap_and_Easy_ Cooking.htm

[Jackinthebox]

http://busycooks.about.com/od/inexpensiverecipes/Inexpensive_Recipes_Meals_under_10_Cheap_and_Easy_ Cooking.htm

Thanks for the link. I'm gonna look over some of those. But keep this in mind. Cooking at home doesn't necessarily mean healthier. Also, I'm sure they are not factoring in costs such as cooking gas, refrigeration, cleanup, food storage, utensils and equipment, etc. Also keep in mind that some of the poorer people in America live in rooms or facilities that do not have a kitchen at all to prepare food.

[Jackinthebox]

http://busycooks.about.com/od/inexpensiverecipes/Inexpensive_Recipes_Meals_under_10_Cheap_and_Easy_ Cooking.htm

Those prices are pretty outdated. I would say you have to add 30-50% to be accurate. And even more if you are using organic ingredients. Which that's another things too. A lot of those recipes are calling for garbage that is just as bad for you as fast food. A box of processes scalloped potato mix, for example, is no better for you than some smashed taters from KFC or even some french fries.

But here's an example of what I am talking about with the prices. She's got "Mom's Meatloaf" at a cost of $6.50 as part of a ten dollar meal plan. Right off the bat the recipe calls for three pounds of ground been. The beef alone is going to cost you $9-12. An onion, another $1.50-2. A can of tomato another buck for the shitty ones. And we're still not even done with the grocery list. Still have the oatmeal the seasonings, cooking oil.

She's saying that the scalloped potatos are $2.49. But she's also adding butter, heavy cream, and parmesan to the two packages of deadly processed mix. Even for the generic ones you're looking at $1.50 a box. And the added milk products aren't cheap.

That's from this meal plan...

http://busycooks.about.com/od/inexpensiverecipes/a/classicmeatloaf.htm

...from your link above.

[boycotteverything]

ok. i guess it's hopeless... good luck and good night.

[Jackinthebox]

ok. i guess it's hopeless... good luck and good night.

Actually, that does seem to be the case doesn't it. People sure aren't getting any skinnier. Despite all the "friendly" advice, and diet ideas, and the gym on every corner. There are bigger things in play here that people simply won't look at or accept for one reason or another.

But yes, I do think that this issue is real deal bona fide legitimate doom. And that is why I talk about it. Not that I have all the answers or the cure mind you, but I think people should be informed nonetheless, and be awoken from their slumber of delusion.

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[KIWI]

into the cabin of a Pilatus Porter I was allowed to load 10 Japanese, but only 8 Americans, that fits also pretty much any Asian race versus Caucasion, just a fact of life I think........chihuahua, st Bernard........ 8)

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[Cogburn]

ok. i guess it's hopeless... good luck and good night.
I dunno BE.... maybe we could petition that home economics return to mandatory high school education.

Maybe then people would understand the concept of not having to buy every ingredient individually for every meal... you know, the concept of a "menu"... not to mention developing the knack for culinary improvisation.

I say that you, GF, and I should pay a visit to Jack's mom's house and take him out for lessons on how to shop and cook healthy within a budget.

[Jackinthebox]

I dunno BE.... maybe we could petition that home economics return to mandatory high school education.

Maybe then people would understand the concept of not having to buy every ingredient individually for every meal... you know, the concept of a "menu"... not to mention developing the knack for culinary improvisation.

I say that you, GF, and I should pay a visit to Jack's mom's house and take him out for lessons on how to shop and cook healthy within a budget.

It really is amazing how fucking dense you are. First of all, my mother doesn't have a house. And once again, you won't find me where she stays anyway. So joke's on you fool.

Now you talk about home ec like a moron, after I already told you that I have a culinary backround, so I am fully capable of creating a menu. But what the fuck are you on about anyway with this "having to buy every ingredient individually." Ever hear of cost per serving? I really can't figure if you're really as fucking stupid as you present yourself to be, or just that bad at being a fucking shill.

But anytime you want to meet me face to face and try to teach me something that you think I don't know, I'll meet you at the airport.

[boycotteverything]

But anytime you want to meet me face to face and try to teach me something that you think I don't know, I'll meet you at the airport.beyond the call of duty, Rambo.

[Cogburn]

But anytime you want to meet me face to face and try to teach me something that you think I don't know, I'll meet you at the airport.
Oh snap... Was I supposed to pick you up?

I forgot you were coming by with a pinot.

[Jackinthebox]

But anytime you want to meet me face to face and try to teach me something that you think I don't know, I'll meet you at the airport.beyond the call of duty, Rambo.

Lol. Well you're invited too. Cheers.

[Jackinthebox]

But anytime you want to meet me face to face and try to teach me something that you think I don't know, I'll meet you at the airport.
Oh snap... Was I supposed to pick you up?

I forgot you were coming by with a pinot.

Shit man I'm broke. Come on out and bring a bottle of Sailor Jerry. I'll show you around, see the fucked up sites and all. We could do like a ghetto tour. I'll show you where they found some hookers murdered bodies and shit.

[KIWI]

still got the Blue Mazda cog?

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[Cogburn]

LOL... I'm not that kind of geek... I'm this kind of geek.

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Some accessories sold separately.

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[boycotteverything]

Kiwi's is better. So's his accessory.

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[guinnessford]

I dont need to show my work, I do it every night. Or take part in a "click and paste war", wHich obviously is your line of work.

Plain and simple, if it was cheaper to eat out every night, nobody in this country would own a stove, fridge, or microwave.

You didnt do any work besides drag other peoples research into a thread.

Any of this stuff 100 pct yours?

Or does 90 pct of it belong to ats, or godlike productions??

Heres the last Ill say to you in this thread, unless you can prove that it IS cheaper to eat fattening foods all the time.

Geez, maybe I am wrong, along with all the other people that have been cooking at home for 100's of years... FUCKIN DOUBT IT.

Take some shots, call me a disinfo clown, propaghandi, whatever you want.

I wouldnt piss on your ideas and work if it was on fire, its worthless to me.

Is the real reason you take this issue to heart and defend it so strongly because you, or someone in your family is fat and lazy, and just dont feel like getting up to cook, or are you spending so much time behind the keyboard stealing other peoples threads and work, claiming it as yours to get to the store, fridge, and stove?

Wait, maybe the world has been wrong, and youve found how to save millions for the poor...

I can see the headlines now:
"Internet genius discovers plan to get wealthy by staying on the couch and eating Papa Johns each night"

And on the next page of the paper will have something like: " Santas ex-wife sues for custody of elves"

WTF are you smokin??

[KIWI]

BASTARD!...... :lol:



LOL... I'm not that kind of geek... I'm this kind of geek.


vurrah nice...... 8)

[boycotteverything]

I can see the headlines now:
"Internet genius discovers plan to get wealthy by staying on the couch and eating Papa Johns each night"SMITE!

[guinnessford]

Oh yeah, its got nothin to do with fuckin healthy.

Its cost.

I guess thats why youre fuckin broke, cuz it AINT CHEAPER, is it.

Take the physical threats and shove em all up your ass, dickbag.. their useless. Like a fuckin telephone tough guy.

Its quite plain that you wanna steer it away from the straight god damn cost issue, to "did you add in the cost of electricity of the fridge..."

Its already on, asshole.

Until every last amerikan throws the fridge, stove, microwave and other bullshit out, its the COST OF THE FOOD, AND THE LAZINESS OF NOT GETTING OFF THE ALREADY FAT ASS TO DO SOMETING WITH IT.

Night at Mcd's 20 plus dollars.

Food from the store around the corner, 20 minutes and just a tiny bit of drive to get out from behind the keyboard to do it, "about 6 bucks"

Now, lets get on to the next subject, unless you'd like to make an internet poll about this, and see exactly how freakin stupid you can look?.

[boycotteverything]

am i flashing or does it seem that you're sick of this guy's bullshit? hahahahaha i'll take my woostah homey in any fight.

[guinnessford]

Its not bein sick of anything but plain stupidity.


I dont even know where the fuck it all started but Im not one to let the dumb-bus run me down.

Thanks, B.E., I always got yours,too!

Hail Hail WOOSTAH!!!!

[boycotteverything]

people don't realize what tough bastards that creaking armpit of town produces!

[guinnessford]

Between Roxbury and the Heights, it was a real friggin upbringing....

It makes me appreciate things alot more now, its easier to let go of little things that bother you, ya know?

[Jackinthebox]

I dont need to show my work, I do it every night. Or take part in a "click and paste war", wHich obviously is your line of work.

You can try to spin it however you want, but I have shown all sorts of information and until you do the same you're just talking out your ass and no one gives a shit.



Plain and simple, if it was cheaper to eat out every night, nobody in this country would own a stove, fridge, or microwave.

If you think eating a stouffers lasagna or some hot pockets out of the microwave is any more healthy than a taco and a mountain dew, then I dont know what to tell you.



You didnt do any work besides drag other peoples research into a thread.

Any of this stuff 100 pct yours?

Or does 90 pct of it belong to ats, or godlike productions??

The "Let them eat cake" thread is an original piece with plenty of sourced and linked data to support my conclusions. Yes, I have posted it at ATS and GLP. Here is a link to the original internet posting of the piece...

http://sites.google.com/site/jacksboxproject/nutricide



Heres the last Ill say to you in this thread, unless you can prove that it IS cheaper to eat fattening foods all the time.

I have done so time and time again. You have failed to meet the challenge to counter with your own mealplans of healthy foods that cost less per serving or by volume. Ignoring the evidence does not make it go away. But run along now.



Geez, maybe I am wrong, along with all the other people that have been cooking at home for 100's of years... FUCKIN DOUBT IT.

Cooking at home is not the answer either. If you had read the thread that I posted, you would know that this point was already covered in great detail.



Take some shots, call me a disinfo clown, propaghandi, whatever you want.

Totally unnecessary at this point. Your posts, ridicule of facts presented, and lack of information to support your position speaks for itself.



I wouldnt piss on your ideas and work if it was on fire, its worthless to me.

Is the real reason you take this issue to heart and defend it so strongly because you, or someone in your family is fat and lazy, and just dont feel like getting up to cook, or are you spending so much time behind the keyboard stealing other peoples threads and work, claiming it as yours to get to the store, fridge, and stove?

Wait, maybe the world has been wrong, and youve found how to save millions for the poor...

I can see the headlines now:
"Internet genius discovers plan to get wealthy by staying on the couch and eating Papa Johns each night"

And on the next page of the paper will have something like: " Santas ex-wife sues for custody of elves"

WTF are you smokin??

Laugh and poke fun all you want. My motivations are irrelvant to the facts. Truth is truth regardless of who is presenting it. But you would do well to keep in mind that this is not my problem, this is not my neighbors' problem. This is everybody's problem. This is why we need nationalised healthcare. This is why people are sick, and have no energy, and can't function properly on their jobs. 90% of Americans are overweight. This is an epidemic. You might as well be sitting there poking fun at cancer patients. Good for you, have another pint.

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[Jackinthebox]

Oh yeah, its got nothin to do with fuckin healthy.

Its cost.

Okay hot rod. Tell me. If you have to eat ten times as much fresh fruits and veggies that your grandparents did to get the same nutrition, do you think you're not going to get fat? Idiot. Of course it's about healthy. But show me some healthy food to start with. Organic. Now we can talk about cost. When you're cutting corners everywhere you can to keep the power turned on and saving every penny for the gas tank to get to work, you're not buying organic foods. You're buying fuckin ramen noodles and cans of Treet. Which is just as bad for you as a cheeseburger and onion rings.



Take the physical threats and shove em all up your ass, dickbag.. their useless. Like a fuckin telephone tough guy.

Lol, I don't recall making any physical threats. Certainly none that I meant to be taken seriously anyway, but if you're feeling twinkle-toed, drop me an email and we can meet up. I got nothing better to do.



Its quite plain that you wanna steer it away from the straight god damn cost issue, to "did you add in the cost of electricity of the fridge..."

Its already on, asshole.


Does it cost money to buy a refrigerator? Does it cost money for the electricity to power it? "Cost" would be part of the "cost issue" would it not moron? It really is a shame that you take something for granted that really is such a nice thing to have. Because when my fridge died on me, I couldn't afford to buy a new one. Which was just as well, because I saved quite a few bucks on the power bill too when it went out.



Until every last amerikan throws the fridge, stove, microwave and other bullshit out, its the COST OF THE FOOD, AND THE LAZINESS OF NOT GETTING OFF THE ALREADY FAT ASS TO DO SOMETING WITH IT.

As far as the stove goes, that was another convenience I learned to do without in the last months before I lost my place. I couldn't afford the gas for the stove or the hot water heater. You've got a silver spoon so far up your ass that you don't even appreciate the things that you have.

Now as far as laziness goes, how fucking hard is it to throw a hot pocket in the microwave? So once again, it has nothing to do with "eating out."



Night at Mcd's 20 plus dollars.

Four McDoubles, $4. Four small fries, $4. Drink water. Dinner is served for eight bucks.



Food from the store around the corner, 20 minutes and just a tiny bit of drive to get out from behind the keyboard to do it, "about 6 bucks"

Cost of gas. Assuming that the parent has the time or energy to do so working 80 hours a week, or that the fucking store is even open when they do get out of work.

And once again, you keep talking about these fabulous $6 meals, but you're still talking out your ass with pure bullshit. You know damn well you can't feed your family night after night at six bucks a meal unless you're eating fuckin ramen noodles. So put up or shut up beotch.

[Jackinthebox]

Its not bein sick of anything but plain stupidity.


I dont even know where the fuck it all started but Im not one to let the dumb-bus run me down.

Thanks, B.E., I always got yours,too!

Hail Hail WOOSTAH!!!!

It really is sad, you're so fucking programmed you just don't see it. Sorry I wasted my time trying to help you. Good luck.

[Cogburn]

As far as the stove goes, that was another convenience I learned to do without in the last months before I lost my place. I couldn't afford the gas for the stove or the hot water heater. You've got a silver spoon so far up your ass that you don't even appreciate the things that you have.

Now as far as laziness goes, how fucking hard is it to throw a hot pocket in the microwave? So once again, it has nothing to do with "eating out."

How much did you save while you were living fat? Any real estate purchases? Hard assets?

I'd wager that it's more a factor of your lack of ability to plan for lean times... or did you not realize that economies, even personal ones, are cyclic.

Four McDoubles, $4. Four small fries, $4. Drink water. Dinner is served for eight bucks.

Cost of gas. Assuming that the parent has the time or energy to do so working 80 hours a week, or that the fucking store is even open when they do get out of work.

And once again, you keep talking about these fabulous $6 meals, but you're still talking out your ass with pure bullshit. You know damn well you can't feed your family night after night at six bucks a meal unless you're eating fuckin ramen noodles. So put up or shut up beotch.http://shop.safeway.com

Enter in zipcode "90210"... Yup, Beverly Hills, a place with one highest standards of living in the nation.

1.5lb organic broccoli - 2.39
3lb whole organic chicken - 9.87
5lbs jasmine rice - 8.19

Total cost (tax free): 18.87

2.75oz broccoli
1/3 lb chicken
1/2 lb rice

Total meals: 9
Avg Cost per meal: 2.27

[Jackinthebox]

As far as the stove goes, that was another convenience I learned to do without in the last months before I lost my place. I couldn't afford the gas for the stove or the hot water heater. You've got a silver spoon so far up your ass that you don't even appreciate the things that you have.

Now as far as laziness goes, how fucking hard is it to throw a hot pocket in the microwave? So once again, it has nothing to do with "eating out."

How much did you save while you were living fat? Any real estate purchases? Hard assets?

I'd wager that it's more a factor of your lack of ability to plan for lean times... or did you not realize that economies, even personal ones, are cyclic.

All liquidated in the court proceedings, or control was turned over. I was lucky to stay out of prison. Lesson learned there, never trust your business partner. I was young though. (Lot of bad politics around here too. They put bodies in the river around here.) After that it was back to the hand to mouth until I finally got squeezed right out of some crappy little apartment and into my car. Which is about all I have left at this point.

End all be all though, no one can plan for everything.






Four McDoubles, $4. Four small fries, $4. Drink water. Dinner is served for eight bucks.

Cost of gas. Assuming that the parent has the time or energy to do so working 80 hours a week, or that the fucking store is even open when they do get out of work.

And once again, you keep talking about these fabulous $6 meals, but you're still talking out your ass with pure bullshit. You know damn well you can't feed your family night after night at six bucks a meal unless you're eating fuckin ramen noodles. So put up or shut up beotch.http://shop.safeway.com

Enter in zipcode "90210"... Yup, Beverly Hills, a place with one highest standards of living in the nation.

1.5lb organic broccoli - 2.39
3lb whole organic chicken - 9.87
5lbs jasmine rice - 8.19

Total cost (tax free): 18.87

2.75oz broccoli
1/3 lb chicken
1/2 lb rice

Total meals: 9
Avg Cost per meal: 2.27

Not a 1/3 of a pound of chicken unless you eat bone. Add a few bucks for cooking and cleanup.

Another thing to note there too is that your cost per serving goes down when you are feeding more people and buying larger units. For myself, it gets real tough to get any kind of deals since it's jsut me, I dont have any place to store anything really, and I don't usually have 20 bucks to spend all at once on food. But my case is just an example. Not a bad meal you presented there actually.

[Cogburn]

It's a meal I eat at least once a week.

The point is, that's 9 meals and you didn't use up the rice.

Ok... it's not boneless... so reduce the chicken and up the rice. 80% of the world subsists on a rice diet without benefit of meal and vegetables.

That's also a nationwide chain grocery store. You could do the same for Krogers or Winn Dixie and probably end up with roughly the same totals. Head out to a farmer's market and you could probably get a better deal on that broccoli and maybe even the chicken.

Let's face it, you could walk to the store, steal water from a hose, and burn felled wood in a park to cook that meal. You can't tell me you don't at least have a camping set. No homeless person should be without one.

To get things done one must do what one must to do. If one need wait a day or three to save up the cash to buy 9 meals worth of food, then wouldn't it be in one's best interest to do so? It would take only a short amount of time and a limited amount of sacrifice to get to the point where one were ahead of the game and back on a healthy diet.

Ramen today or scrounge around, depend on others, or maybe go without so I can get back on track in a few more days?

Looks like an easy enough decision to me.

[boycotteverything]

Another wholesome recipe' from BE Kitchens, Inc.

Breakfast Banana

http://www.nwkniterati.com/movabletype/archives/MossyCottage/banana.jpg

Here's another famous recipe' you can prepare on the fly!

Ingredients: 1 six inch banana.
Preparation: Peel banana carefully and discard skin in neighbor's yard.
Serving suggestion: Eat slowly one bite at a time until consumed.
Cost: 10 cents
Prep time: 14 seconds

Try it for lunch too!!

ENJOY!

[guinnessford]

Its not bein sick of anything but plain stupidity.


I dont even know where the fuck it all started but Im not one to let the dumb-bus run me down.

Thanks, B.E., I always got yours,too!

Hail Hail WOOSTAH!!!!

It really is sad, you're so fucking programmed you just don't see it. Sorry I wasted my time trying to help you. Good luck.


If i needed your luck, Id kill myself.
Heres a clue, just because you write "Fail" next to something, dont mean it did.

No matter how many cute little jpeg images you add to it.

You are not an authority on anything.

Proven by your own statements.

You failed a business, and still live in squalor by your own admission.

And youre piss-poor to boot, again at your own admission.

You have proven nothing except that you really know how to make yourself look like an ass-clown in front of a whole group of intelligent people.


If anyone was going to take advice from someone, especially financial, it wouldnt be from a poor person.

Case closed.

[guinnessford]

But bananas arent available at Papa Johns, B.E.

Im starting to think this dude is a Intellectual Vampire, not a Psychic one... My knowledge level is starting to get lower by continuing coversations with him.

Its almost painful to have to reap anything from these posts.

[Jackinthebox]

But bananas arent available at Papa Johns, B.E.

Im starting to think this dude is a Intellectual Vampire, not a Psychic one... My knowledge level is starting to get lower by continuing coversations with him.

Its almost painful to have to reap anything from these posts.

Actually, I eat quite a lot of bananas myself. They're cheap. Too bad they're also genetically modified and irradiated.

[guinnessford]

Bananas and beer were told to me, by a professor at Johnson and Wales u, to be the perfect diet.

Tried it for a week, and what i did was shit out 2/3 of whatever entered my body.

[Jackinthebox]

It's a meal I eat at least once a week.

The point is, that's 9 meals and you didn't use up the rice.

Ok... it's not boneless... so reduce the chicken and up the rice. 80% of the world subsists on a rice diet without benefit of meal and vegetables.

That doesn't mean they are healthy. I would also venture a guess that most of those people are not relying on GM rice, especially in Asia.

But what you're really saying here is that for people to be "healthy" here in the States, they need to live on the brink of starvation and eat like they live on some third world cesspool?



That's also a nationwide chain grocery store. You could do the same for Krogers or Winn Dixie and probably end up with roughly the same totals. Head out to a farmer's market and you could probably get a better deal on that broccoli and maybe even the chicken.

As far as the nationwide chain stores goes, I know that in NYC you're not going to find a store like that. No Walmart or anything like that. Illegal. The city won't allow them. The markets that are in NYC are far more expensive. So there again, we have an access problem. And I'm sure the same goes for other people too, in other cities, people that don't have their own transportation and have to rely on a corner bodega, etc. But to be fair, I am not one of those people, I do have access to chain supermarkets, as do many other people as well. Just wanted to point out that everyone does not fit into your mold of what you think America is.

Now as far as the farmer's markets go, that is something I don't have access to for the most part. The only one around here is only open for a few hours on a Sunday. So without any place for food storage, that doesn't do me much good. And besides that, I have a barter job on most sundays. But forget about me, there are an awful lot of people out there that don't have access to a farmer's market for one reason or another.

But more importantly, farmer's markets most certainly ARE NOT cheaper by any stretch of the imagination. Not around here anyway. In some places in the country, sure, probably some good deals, not here in NY. It's treated as a novelty item and a tourist attraction.



Let's face it, you could walk to the store, steal water from a hose, and burn felled wood in a park to cook that meal. You can't tell me you don't at least have a camping set. No homeless person should be without one.

You'd be surprised what homeless people are "without" dipshit. I don't have any pot to cook chicken and rice in.

Most parks around here have a no burn policy, or require payment. And how do you propose someone eat during the half of the year when the parks are closed?

But having said that, there is a park down by the river with concrete charcoal grills that I do use to cook meat on.



To get things done one must do what one must to do. If one need wait a day or three to save up the cash to buy 9 meals worth of food, then wouldn't it be in one's best interest to do so? It would take only a short amount of time and a limited amount of sacrifice to get to the point where one were ahead of the game and back on a healthy diet.

Ramen today or scrounge around, depend on others, or maybe go without so I can get back on track in a few more days?

Looks like an easy enough decision to me.

What good does it do me to cook nine meals unless I am with nine people?

[Jackinthebox]

Bananas and beer were told to me, by a professor at Johnson and Wales u, to be the perfect diet.

Tried it for a week, and what i did was shit out 2/3 of whatever entered my body.

Hey, I'll drink to that. Lol. Make mine a Guinness!

Actually, back in WWII, that's what they were feeding to guys in the hospital back in England when they got blown off the front line. Guys that couldn't do solid foods. And even as a meal supplement for the others to make the blood rich they said. Especially with the lean rations of real food.

But at the same time, I don't see packing away beers as being much of a way to lose weight either. Never tried a pretty much solo diet of it though either I admit.

[guinnessford]

So i guess this dude wasnt shovin smoke in my ass.

He was a culinary instructor, so I gave it a little cred

[Jackinthebox]

So i guess this dude wasnt shovin smoke in my ass.

He was a culinary instructor, so I gave it a little cred

I don't know how healthy it would really be in the long run, a long term diet focused on it that is, but beer has a lot more history behind it than just good times. It really is more of a food than some of the crap that comes packed and wrapped and ready for the microwave these days. And the darker the better as far as fortification goes. I would take a pint of good stout any day over some bullshit slimfast shake I can tell you that.

EDIT to add: But again we have to watch out for the corporate influence here. Home brew would be better for you than any shit from the can at the beverage center. And keep in mind that they don't have to disclose what's in their beer like they still have to do with food.

[Cogburn]

Your rebuttals are to the absurd.

No man is an island and yet your arguments continue to suggest that you are the only person living in your "town". What happens if you find 3 other people in as dire straights as yourself and combine resources? You have the ability to scrounge internet access into the wee hours of the night and yet have no access to even temporary refrigeration?

One could equally argue that since time immemorial there have been portions of society without a pot to piss in nor a window to through it out of. Perhaps you should be grateful that there is anything inexpensive for you to eat given your economic situation, healthy or otherwise.

In times gone past you'd have starved to death by now.

All things in perspective.

[skunk]

Jesus Christ. Am I going to have to move this thread to the god damn spam forum?

[guinnessford]

Jesus Christ. Am I going to have to move this thread to the god damn spam forum?


Spam is neither healthy, or affordable by some...

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Jesus Christ. Am I going to have to move this thread to the god damn spam forum?

We have a spam forum?

Is it really damned by gawd?

Leaving it up to Jebus to decide might not be such a good idea; look at the whole, "I'll die on the cross for the sins of all mankind" thing: how's that working out for him, huh?

[Cogburn]

Jesus Christ. Am I going to have to move this thread to the god damn spam forum?


Spam is neither healthy, or affordable by some...
Smite.

[Jackinthebox]

Your rebuttals are to the absurd.

No man is an island and yet your arguments continue to suggest that you are the only person living in your "town". What happens if you find 3 other people in as dire straights as yourself and combine resources? You have the ability to scrounge internet access into the wee hours of the night and yet have no access to even temporary refrigeration?

Where the hell did I say I was the only person living in my town? But if you think I'm gonna go shack up with a bunch of thievin crackheads and shit so I can get caught up in the dragnet when the cops come knockin then you're about as stupid as I thought. You obviously dont know a fuckin thing about being homeless. Especially in NY. So let me inform you. You stay the fuck away from other homeless people. Don't allow yourself to look homeless and you don't run into as much trouble from the cops, you have better chances of getting a fuckin job, and you don't fall down the mental sinkhole. Idiot. You really don't know shit do you.

It's a lot easier to plug in a computer to a cigarette lighter in a car than it is to put a refigerator in one. If I had a fridge even. I can't believe I still bother to even reply to your dumb shit that obviously you havent thought through too well.



One could equally argue that since time immemorial there have been portions of society without a pot to piss in nor a window to through it out of. Perhaps you should be grateful that there is anything inexpensive for you to eat given your economic situation, healthy or otherwise.

In times gone past you'd have starved to death by now.

All things in perspective.

I aint the one man, I'll cold jack a fool like you with the quickness, believe that. The only reason I don't resort to that now is I left that life behind years ago. But I'll tell you this much, I'm tempted more and more each day to say fuck the dumb shit and get my motherfuckin hustle on. But make no mistake, I get pushed I'll peel a cap back like I was last of the Mohicans. Romp em stomp em, stick em for dey wampum.

[Jackinthebox]

Jesus Christ. Am I going to have to move this thread to the god damn spam forum?


Spam is neither healthy, or affordable by some...

Treet is a lot cheaper.

http://www.anniemayhem.com/blog%20pics/treet.jpg

[Cogburn]

Where the hell did I say I was the only person living in my town? But if you think I'm gonna go shack up with a bunch of thievin crackheads and shit so I can get caught up in the dragnet when the cops come knockin then you're about as stupid as I thought. You obviously dont know a fuckin thing about being homeless. Especially in NY. So let me inform you. You stay the fuck away from other homeless people. Don't allow yourself to look homeless and you don't run into as much trouble from the cops, you have better chances of getting a fuckin job, and you don't fall down the mental sinkhole. Idiot. You really don't know shit do you.

It's a lot easier to plug in a computer to a cigarette lighter in a car than it is to put a refigerator in one. If I had a fridge even. I can't believe I still bother to even reply to your dumb shit that obviously you havent thought through too well.I was raised in Brighton Beach on Ocean and 3rd. You throw a stone one way it lands in Flatbush, throw it the opposite way and it lands in the Atlantic. I have family in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn and visit New York at least once a year.

Not only are you full of shit, but I'd wager in your next post you're going to tell me how hard core the bums are in Buffalo because you're not actually in NYC.

You are so monumentally underdeveloped mentally that you do not have the common sense of the average homeless person. I have little doubt that you'd have to resort to some sort of petty criminal lifestyle in order to feed yourself. You're completely unresourceful.

Maybe you should go talk to one and learn something.... instead of sitting in that car you obviously have access to.

[Jackinthebox]

I was raised in Brighton Beach on Ocean and 3rd. You throw a stone one way it lands in Flatbush, throw it the opposite way and it lands in the Atlantic. I have family in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn and visit New York at least once a year.

Not only are you full of shit, but I'd wager in your next post you're going to tell me how hard core the bums are in Buffalo because you're not actually in NYC.

You are so monumentally underdeveloped mentally that you do not have the common sense of the average homeless person. I have little doubt that you'd have to resort to some sort of petty criminal lifestyle in order to feed yourself. You're completely unresourceful.

Maybe you should go talk to one and learn something.... instead of sitting in that car you obviously have access to.

I'm not in the city most of the time. But here you go again blowing your own horn when you should be blowing yourself. You still don't know dick. Goodnight.

[Cogburn]

I know you have a car and a laptop.

... oh ... and that you're absolutely, completely full of shit.

[Cogburn]

Went to the farmer's market today to re-up on produce. I'd never been to this one and it was recommended to me by a guy in my office.

Final cost: $12 and change. So fresh there's still a leaf on one of those peaches.

EDIT: Avocado's went up.

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[Jackinthebox]

I know you have a car and a laptop.

... oh ... and that you're absolutely, completely full of shit.

I have a car, I don't have a laptop...yet. Working on it though.

Oh, and any time you want to drop in and see who's full of shit, bring your camera and I'll pick you up at the airport. So until you are ready to man the fuck up, you can shut the fuck up, or just be a punk. Really doesn't make much difference to me. Your choice homie.

[Jackinthebox]

Went to the farmer's market today to re-up on produce. I'd never been to this one and it was recommended to me by a guy in my office.

Final cost: $12 and change. So fresh there's still a leaf on one of those peaches.

EDIT: Avocado's went up.



You did well. I just paid $2.49 a pound for both peaches and plums last night, non-organic. The organic were $3.69 a pound. Or I could have gone with some really shitty peaches for $1.69 a pound. I guess I should have got cherries. They're usually fucking outrageously priced here, but they were only $1.49 a pound last night, less than half price I remember the sign said. But again, non-organic and they looked like they were grown in an armpit.

If I get the chance, I'll swing by the farmer's market when they have it on Sunday, and see what body part I have to sacrifice to get some peaches from them.

[Cogburn]

Saw this today and thought of you. Dig into how they calculated the statistics.

It got me thinking... if organic and non-organic are nutritionally equal, then what causes the obvious difference in taste and benefits of food from the farmer's market compared to that of a major chain store?

Locally sourced. Hit me like a ton of bricks.

It's the time it takes to get from vine to plate that is the impact on the nutritional value of the food, not the fertilizer used or other such hippie nonsense.

Glad to read that you've decided to take better care of yourself. When shit goes bad you need to be able to say "at least I have my health". :)

Anyway, here's the article.

[offsite=http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56S3ZJ20090729:3ovg93xj]LONDON (Reuters) - Organic food has no nutritional or health benefits over ordinary food, according to a major study published Wednesday.

Researchers from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine said consumers were paying higher prices for organic food because of its perceived health benefits, creating a global organic market worth an estimated $48 billion in 2007.

A systematic review of 162 scientific papers published in the scientific literature over the last 50 years, however, found there was no significant difference.

"A small number of differences in nutrient content were found to exist between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs, but these are unlikely to be of any public health relevance," said Alan Dangour, one of the report's authors.

"Our review indicates that there is currently no evidence to support the selection of organically over conventionally produced foods on the basis of nutritional superiority."

The results of research, which was commissioned by the British government's Food Standards Agency, were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Sales of organic food have fallen in some markets, including Britain, as recession has led consumers to cut back on purchases.

The Soil Association said in April that growth in sales of organic products in Britain slowed to just 1.7 percent in 2008, well below the average annual growth rate of 26 percent over the last decade, following a plunge in demand at the end of the year.[/offsite:3ovg93xj]

[Jackinthebox]

Saw this today and thought of you. Dig into how they calculated the statistics.

It got me thinking... if organic and non-organic are nutritionally equal, then what causes the obvious difference in taste and benefits of food from the farmer's market compared to that of a major chain store?

Locally sourced. Hit me like a ton of bricks.

It's the time it takes to get from vine to plate that is the impact on the nutritional value of the food, not the fertilizer used or other such hippie nonsense.

Glad to read that you've decided to take better care of yourself. When shit goes bad you need to be able to say "at least I have my health". :)

Anyway, here's the article...



What that article doesn't tell you though is that there has been a HUGE drop in nutritional values of ALL food in the past 50-100 years. I'm pretty sure I linked some of those studies in the Let Them Eat Cake thread. One study was done by Canada. So they can get away with saying that there is no real difference between organic and non-organic, because all foods have dropped off across the board.

But even there I don't really believe that the article is entirely accurate. Now I do agree that locally grown food is key. But let me make a few points here before finally reaching that same conclusion.

Certain genetic modifications are bound to lower the nutritional level no matter how quickly you get them to the table from the farm. If you're growing a tomato let's say, with a GM seed hydroponically, forcing it to mature in half the time of a regular tomato, it never has time to fortify itself with the nutrients that our bodies require, through its own natural growth process. Let's guesstimate that a food engineered to grow to full size in half the time will only be half as nutritious.

Now we have the farming methods. Even if you're using an heirloom seed, it only stands to reason that if you are growing the food in nutrient starved soil, soil that is overfarmed, or not even in soil at all like the hydroponic method, there is little or no nutrients to go into the growth of the food that wind up on your plate. And again the GM comes into play here, because they can basically breed a strain of the food that will grow with little or no nutrients, whereas a normal seed simply could not survive to maturity without the nutrients to sustain itself much less be passed along to you. And then they pump it with growth hormones. So instead of eating nutrition, you are eating growth hormones. What effect do you think those hormones will have on your body?

This is where shit and compost come in. Full of all sorts of nutrients and naturally occuring chemicals like nitrogen and so forth. So the fruit or veggie processes it and grows to be healthy and nutritious in that natural process, much like photosynthesis.

But now let's jump to transport. I totally agree that it is so much healthier to eat food that's grown right close to home. Yet I see stupid shit like apples from California in my NY supermarket. How the fuck does that happen in the Big Apple? Hello? I'm sure you see it too. Why the hell does Cali need grapes imported from Honduras or some shit? But anyway, that's what they do all the time. Part of it is so that we can have fresh strawberries during a blizzard I suppose. But more than anything I think it's all about economics. Not for our benefit, but so the companies can have more control in how they manipulate us and jerk us around. I know that for the most part I don't eat fruit that is out of season. Just never worth the money. Grainy, tastes like crap. You know this too I'm sure. Yet so many people out there these days couldn't even tell you why peaches taste better in August. Or would even notice that they do.

But I digress. Transport. Why is transport so bad? Because fresh foods don't have a very long shelf life. It started years ago with the meats and the red dye. Not that meat would go bad in a day, but people were used to it being sooo fresh from the butcher, that they got used to it looking a certain way. So to extend the shelf-life of the best appearance, they started adding chemicals. They shut down the local butcher who got his meat right from the farm in the same town, and started trucking the stuff in to the supermarket from wherever and soaking it in red dye.

Now today they have taken that same principal waaay overboard, with all of our fresh foods. Spruce it up with chemicals to look pretty, zap it with some radiation to stop the process of decay and kill all the nutrients at the same time. And right at the farm, pick it long before it has the chance to ripen in the sun and the soil. The ripening stage is actually the most important for the nutrition. Yet here we are with green leather bananas. Okay, maybe a few people might actually bother to put them out in the sun to finish ripening, but not most people. In the fridge they will go, where fruits and veggies don't even really belong anyway. And of course, ripening is not just about the nutrients that the sun offers, but the root system, mother tree, whatever, continues to pump the fruit full of nutrition until it is ripe.

End all be all though, when you taste a fruit or veggie that is sweet and tender and fleshy and juicy, what you are tsating is the nutrition. It doesn't really matter all that much if they sprayed some insecticide or not. Now I really don't want to ingest those chemicals really, but that doesn't really affect the nutritional value so much either. Growing it with patience counts a lot more, in healthy soil, and being close enough to the farm so that it is ripe or very near ripe when harvested are a lot more important things I think.

[Cogburn]

End all be all though, when you taste a fruit or veggie that is sweet and tender and fleshy and juicy, what you are tsating is the nutrition. It doesn't really matter all that much if they sprayed some insecticide or not. Now I really don't want to ingest those chemicals really, but that doesn't really affect the nutritional value so much either. Growing it with patience counts a lot more, in healthy soil, and being close enough to the farm so that it is ripe or very near ripe when harvested are a lot more important things I think.
I think you can take it one step further.

If you focus on locally sourced foods you have greater control over such things as irradiation (oooo scary, but harmless, check your facts), GM stock and farming methodology... you could probably bet that the only thing you'd need worry about is GM crops, and aside from the terminator gene, the verdict is still very much out as to if GM crops are deleterious to humans.

I'd like you to find those studies consisting of a comparison from foods 50 years ago.

Comparisons to 100 years ago are non-starters. There was no refrigeration. The only need for refrigeration is to prevent rotting before reaching market, so we're back to local sourcing again.

[Jackinthebox]

I think you can take it one step further.

If you focus on locally sourced foods you have greater control over such things as irradiation (oooo scary, but harmless, check your facts), GM stock and farming methodology... you could probably bet that the only thing you'd need worry about is GM crops, and aside from the terminator gene, the verdict is still very much out as to if GM crops are deleterious to humans.

I'd like you to find those studies consisting of a comparison from foods 50 years ago.

Comparisons to 100 years ago are non-starters. There was no refrigeration. The only need for refrigeration is to prevent rotting before reaching market, so we're back to local sourcing again.

It's not "radiation" that I am scared of like some 50's safety film. It's what the irradiation process odes to the food that is the problem. It kills it basically. Kills the life in it, that you need to ingest to give you life. I've had some of those bagged salad mixes that I would find the last bowful of stuffed in the back of the fridge months after I bought it, still looking about the same as it did after a few days of sitting in the fridge. It was totally rotten of course, but you would never know it to look at it. The irradiation, among other things, is sort of "mummifying" our food.

Ther terminator crops are definately bad shit, but there is a lot more to it. If you're interested go over to Hulu and pull up "The Future of Food." It's about 2 hours long I think, but it had a lot of good info.

Now immediate health affects, okay, I'll agree that the jury is still out. But I don't think messing around with genes is a good thing. Especially the way we are, so willy nilly jumping in feet first and fucking around with the building blocks of the universe without even stopping to consider the consequences much less manage whatever consequences there might be. Playing with fire, and to be perfectly honest, I really do believe that it is going to have dire consequences for our health on many levels.

Lemme see what I can dig up on those links for the nutrition-loss studies.

EDIT to add: And again, I do agree that local is better and I would very much like to see the return of the small farm.

[Jackinthebox]

Okay Cog, here ya go...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maia16.htm

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/23/6/669

http://d.scribd.com/docs/2a1rk20uvvgp73776s8y.pdf

Maybe you should have actually read what I wrote before you guys jumped all over me with all that douchebaggery and talking out of your asses about something that I clearly know quite a bit about and have done my research. These are the links that I provided in my original piece on the topic.

But I admit, the red pill is hard to swallow.

[Cogburn]

It's not "radiation" that I am scared of like some 50's safety film. It's what the irradiation process odes to the food that is the problem. It kills it basically. Kills the life in it, that you need to ingest to give you life. I've had some of those bagged salad mixes that I would find the last bowful of stuffed in the back of the fridge months after I bought it, still looking about the same as it did after a few days of sitting in the fridge. It was totally rotten of course, but you would never know it to look at it. The irradiation, among other things, is sort of "mummifying" our food.This just exemplifies your choice to spackle over your ignorance of physics and chemistry with new age pseudo-science. Fruits and veggies are dead when you get them, unless you are munching directly off the vine... unless you're referring to killing the seeds, in which case you'd be correct, but I generally throw those away after I've eaten the fruit.

I've seen "The Future of Food" and it is mostly the same unfounded bullshit as can be found most other places on the internet. Who made who, I wonder?

[Jackinthebox]

This just exemplifies your choice to spackle over your ignorance of physics and chemistry with new age pseudo-science. Fruits and veggies are dead when you get them, unless you are munching directly off the vine... unless you're referring to killing the seeds, in which case you'd be correct, but I generally throw those away after I've eaten the fruit.

I've seen "The Future of Food" and it is mostly the same unfounded bullshit as can be found most other places on the internet. Who made who, I wonder?

Sigh, back to the blue pill I guess. You irradiate something, you're wiping out the nutrients, and the life in the food. Just because you've plucked it from the vine doesn't mean it's dead yet. Just like the chicken without its head can still run around.

e]A4aqRRUDg5se]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4aqRRUDg5s

[Cogburn]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maia16.htm
This guy is trying to sell you something. Vet your sources.

http://www.xtend-life.com/category.aspx


http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/23/6/669
This article notes only a 6% decrease in protein, but a 38% drop in riboflavin. Sounds scary until you see where sources of riboflavin (Vitamin B2) come from.
[offsite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riboflavin:bkse5ui4]Milk, cheese, leafy green vegetables, liver, kidneys, legumes such as mature soybeans,[1] yeast, mushrooms and almonds[citation needed] are good sources of vitamin B2, but exposure to light destroys riboflavin.

Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA)

The latest (1998) RDA recommendation for vitamin B2 are similar to the 1989 RDA, which for adults, suggested a minimum intake of 1.2 mg for persons whose caloric intake may be > 2,000 Kcal.[12] The current RDAs for Riboflavin for adult men and women are 1.3 mg/day and 1.1 mg/day, respectively; the estimated average requirement for adult men and women are 1.1 mg and 0.9 mg, respectively. Recommendations for daily riboflavin intake increase with pregnancy and lactation to 1.4 mg and 1.6 mg, respectively (1in advanced). For infants the RDA is 0.3-0.4 mg/day and for children it is 0.6-0.9 mg/day.

A deficiency of riboflavin can be primary - poor vitamin sources in one's daily diet - or secondary, which may be a result of conditions that affect absorption in the intestine, the body not being able to use the vitamin, or an increase in the excretion of the vitamin from the body.

In humans, signs and symptoms of riboflavin deficiency (ariboflavinosis) include cracked and red lips, inflammation of the lining of mouth and tongue, mouth ulcers, cracks at the corners of the mouth (angular cheilitis), and a sore throat. A deficiency may also cause dry and scaling skin, fluid in the mucous membranes, and iron-deficiency anemia. The eyes may also become bloodshot, itchy, watery and sensitive to bright light.

Riboflavin deficiency is classically associated with the oral-ocular-genital syndrome. Angular cheilitis, photophobia, and scrotal dermatitis are the classic remembered signs.[/offsite:bkse5ui4]Exposure to light? Gee... that drop in riboflavin couldn't possibly be due to poor storage methods, could they? I wonder what changes you might note in the grocery store since that study came out in 1999.... maybe opaque milk jugs and an increase in paper containers... or maybe cheeses wrapped in dark plastic or wax... Wondrous thing government reports. Ten years down the road you can actually see how things have changed.

I'll just toss in there that given the wide range of foods in which riboflavin can be found that a 38% decrease in the mere 48 foodstuffs measured may not amount to much within the perspective of a balanced diet...

According to Thomson-Reuters MarketScan database of medical claims, consisting of over 9,000,000 patients and 28,000,000,000 patient records collected between 2007Q3 and 2008Q2, only 462 people had any diagnosis of ariboflavinosis.

Tempest in a teapot.


http://d.scribd.com/docs/2a1rk20uvvgp73776s8y.pdfThis article deals primarily with industrial farming outfits and relates lower nutritional values to driving higher yields. That only makes sense given the soil only contains a certain amount of nutrients. We've already agreed that produce grown from smaller farms is the best way to go... but still a long ways from proving any sort of attack on our food supply or a drastic reduction in the overall health of one who consumes a balanced diet.

If you consider autonomous nervous system reaction as "life" you are in need of a greater education than I thought. You did little than back an ignorant statement with more ignorance.

[KIWI]

t's not "radiation" that I am scared of like some 50's safety film. It's what the irradiation process odes to the food that is the problem. It kills it basically. Kills the life in it, that you need to ingest to give you life.

I agree Jack, but I also believe any shortcomings in the quality of food is negated by a strong mind and positive attitude, cog wont be the only one to piss himself laughing at that statement, but it works for me

[Cogburn]

Easy now... I couldn't laugh at that statement after the plethora of other threads in which I've posted scientific support of such statements in slightly different context.

I don't discount it at all, in fact it is my appreciation of both such phenomenon and a healthy understanding of physics that allows me to poo poo such ideas.

We're talking mircowave radiation and not someone nurturing a plant.

Nurturing the plant may raise the health value of the food, but irradiating it does not reduce it. One does not argue to the other.

If you honestly believe the process of irradiating food damages it, you need to get it way from the electromagnetic motor that drives the compressor in your fridge.

[KIWI]

If you honestly believe the process of irradiating food damages it, you need to get it way from the electromagnetic motor that drives the compressor in your fridge.



its not what I "know" what it does to food, more what "isnt" known of the delicate energy fields that are part of all living things, plants especially, I have a great book called "The Tohunga's Garden", a Tohunga is a Maori sage. The ethereal nature of all things is paramount to their beliefs, he wont enter his garden unless his mood is right, .......I'll see if I can find the book and post a bit on it


not to mention the work Lakhovsky did in this field, I will find the thread I did on him, (it may have been Apecied) and link or replace it

[boycotteverything]

The ethereal nature of all things
he wont enter his garden unless his mood is right,Mood is the key to Everything. If this guy understands that I'd love to have him over for a beer.

[guinnessford]

My "douchbaggery" came from the contest of eating fast food vs shopping and cooking it yourself, and like i said maybe it was sidetracked.

I ate the red pill years ago, and it went down quite smooth.

If I ever do talk out of my ass, Ill be the first to apologize for it and correct myself, but the math hasnt changed.

I thinkl maybe i misinterpreted what the whole argument was about, and for that I was wrong, but its still cheaper, and less fattening to get out, shop, prepare and cook the food in my opinion, and im sure alot others.

Not takin into consideration the fridge, gas and all the other shit.

But it does take into consideration complacency, laziness, and the mindset of "Im hungry, gimme a whopper for 6 bucks"

Or goin to the store and feeding the whole family for just as much, and less fattening.

[boycotteverything]

allows me to poo poo such ideas.poo-pooing gets you nowhere. Reading Tompkins and Bird might, however. Open your mind. ...or better yet- open your soul. every one of your posts makes me feel like my heart's been sandpapered.

[pack3tg0st]

Exposure to light? Gee... that drop in riboflavin couldn't possibly be due to poor storage methods, could they? I wonder what changes you might note in the grocery store since that study came out in 1999.... maybe opaque milk jugs and an increase in paper containers... or maybe cheeses wrapped in dark plastic or wax... Wondrous thing government reports. Ten years down the road you can actually see how things have changed.

Just to add, since I know a thing or two about food storage (root cellar), fluorescent lighting accelerates food spoilage... Much faster than standard incandescent... If you're going to properly store your food through the winter, whatever your methods, an outdoor farmers market is the only way to go...

Potatoes that have been sitting in a grocery store under fluorescent tubes for days at a time tend to last a shorter amount of time than the fresh stuff at a farmers market...



I'll just toss in there that given the wide range of foods in which riboflavin can be found that a 38% decrease in the mere 48 foodstuffs measured may not amount to much within the perspective of a balanced diet...

Even with proper storage, foods will decrease in nutritional value pretty fast... But, all this is moot if you're going to cook the veggies to begin with...

When you boil veggies, all the good stuff is transfered to the water you boil it in...

Just thought I'd add what I know to help out a bit...

[boycotteverything]

Just thought I'd add what I know to help out a bit...hahahahahaha!! jesus, Pack- you're the only one who actually knows squat about this stuff.

[pack3tg0st]

lol I thought you knew a thing or two about this man...

don't you have a huge garden and do the canning thing?

[boycotteverything]

Yeah, well I do the growing but I bring in naked Filipinas to do the canning.

[pack3tg0st]

Nice!

send one my way... Tomatoes are almost out...

Cabbage (sauerkrout) is next...

busy times coming.

[boycotteverything]

It's been cold and rainy here. Trees are dying, no plumbs, no apples. Crazy shit. My daughter did some testing last week. hahahaha Garden is a total fail this year.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v5205/10/67/514557111/n514557111_3111177_4995919.jpg

[Jackinthebox]

End all be all Cog, there has been a serious decline in the nutrition of food. It doesn't matter why. There are all sorts of reasons. Packaging, transport, harvesting, farming methods, etc. So we wind up with a worse product at increased cost, and our bodies are left holding the bag for the difference.

[Jackinthebox]

I agree Jack, but I also believe any shortcomings in the quality of food is negated by a strong mind and positive attitude, cog wont be the only one to piss himself laughing at that statement, but it works for me

Positive attitude is a good thing, but not to the point of being a detriment to common sense. No matter how positive your attitude, your tank will run out of gas if you don't fill it.

[Jackinthebox]

My "douchbaggery" came from the contest of eating fast food vs shopping and cooking it yourself, and like i said maybe it was sidetracked.

I ate the red pill years ago, and it went down quite smooth.

If I ever do talk out of my ass, Ill be the first to apologize for it and correct myself, but the math hasnt changed.

I thinkl maybe i misinterpreted what the whole argument was about, and for that I was wrong, but its still cheaper, and less fattening to get out, shop, prepare and cook the food in my opinion, and im sure alot others.

Not takin into consideration the fridge, gas and all the other shit.

But it does take into consideration complacency, laziness, and the mindset of "Im hungry, gimme a whopper for 6 bucks"

Or goin to the store and feeding the whole family for just as much, and less fattening.

This was never about the fast food joints. I would never argue that a Big Mac is better for someone than a nice home-cooked meal. Just the opposite in fact. People most certainly should be cooking meals at home, wholesome meals, regardless of cost as far as I'm concerned. But it's just not possible for so many people most of the time and for all sorts of reasons.

But processed crap food, NOT JUST THE STUFF IN THE BURGER JOINTS, is cheaper than good healthy food. I still stand by that, and will argue that ounce for ounce on any given Sunday G. A home-cooked Banquet dollar meal is no better for you than some shit from McDougal's. And don't forget the dollar menus too. Sure, it might cost you six or seven bucks for the Whopper meal. But two Whopper Jr's and a water will only set you back two bucks and change with the tax. So there's the trap for the poor folk.

Now let's roll out the trap for the average working stiff who has a few more bucks in his pocket. He's draggin his ass home after a 14-hour shift and has an eight hour turnaround. Now he could go to the store, maybe pick up something that he could bring home to cook. I don't know what it might be, but let's assume he can actually whip up a meal for four bucks from scratch for himself, not having anything at home in the way of seasonings, cooking oil, none of that, because he hasn't had time to go to the store in months. Or, he can spend two more dollars, get a bag full of food-like shit in a wrapper, fill his gut, and be asleep in a half hour. Which is he gonna choose? Time is money, so which is really more cost effective?

But I do think that maybe you did misinterpret the scope of my argument, and the point I was really trying to get across. I'm not here to make excuses for fatties. I am here to solve the problem, by looking at the genuine causes without prejudice and programmed bias.

[boycotteverything]

the average working stiff who has a few more bucks in his pocket. He's draggin his ass home after a 14-hour shift and has an eight hour turnaround. ...(He buys a bag) full of food-like shit in a wrapper, fill his gut, and (is) asleep in a half hour.

Is this the guy?

http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=2460
Compliments of Goos Productions

[Cogburn]

the average working stiff who has a few more bucks in his pocket. He's draggin his ass home after a 14-hour shift and has an eight hour turnaround. ...(He buys a bag) full of food-like shit in a wrapper, fill his gut, and (is) asleep in a half hour.

Is this the guy?

http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=2460
Compliments of Goos Productions
I don't think so...

The guy in Jackinthebox's example owns a unicorn and lives in a house made from a giant mushroom.

That fat guy in the GIF actually exists somewhere.

[Jackinthebox]

the average working stiff who has a few more bucks in his pocket. He's draggin his ass home after a 14-hour shift and has an eight hour turnaround. ...(He buys a bag) full of food-like shit in a wrapper, fill his gut, and (is) asleep in a half hour.

Is this the guy?

http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=2460
Compliments of Goos Productions

Yup, that's him.

[Jackinthebox]

I don't think so...

The guy in Jackinthebox's example owns a unicorn and lives in a house made from a giant mushroom.

That fat guy in the GIF actually exists somewhere.

Oh I get it. In Cogburn's imaginationland, no one works long hours and everyone has a private cooking staff to prepare healthy delicacies.

You really are a complete fucking moron aren't you Cog.

[Lexion]

You really are a complete fucking moron aren't you Cog.

You guys are secret lovers,
aren't ya ?

Just admit it.

This is AmKon.

We don't judge.

Lex

[KIWI]

yu wan flies wi dart ?

m]fkEiYqxPnXcm]

[KIWI]

It's been cold and rainy here. Trees are dying, no plumbs, no apples. Crazy shit. My daughter did some testing last week. hahahaha Garden is a total fail this year.



stay vigilant BE, :thegeneral:

[attachment=0:41i5aop3]Stole_My_Melon.jpg[/attachment:41i5aop3]

[KIWI]

how dodgy are ya neighbours ?....

[attachment=0:1101ocjv]jerrysign_scientology.jpg[/attachment:1101ocjv]

[guinnessford]

But processed crap food, NOT JUST THE STUFF IN THE BURGER JOINTS, is cheaper than good healthy food. I still stand by that, and will argue that ounce for ounce on any given Sunday G.

Then our argument is out of context, as i see it.

Ill elaborate to maybe either clear it up, or see it on an even level.

What I had read into (and possibly out of your context) is that what I see as a problem with kids getting fat and parent(s) getting blamed for it as follows:

The mindset of "Its easier to hit B.K. on the way home" than go to a store to buy food, and prepare it, gets into a cycle.

The family gets out of shape, unless you consider round a shape...

Parents get blamed because they are responsible for the childs well-being (and me thinks it started to go off from here, about parents being responsible for a childs actions, but this is an action, or lack of, by the parent)

Once a child, or children get on the downhill slide of being overweight, it can get worse by complacency, the lack of energy usually slows down activity, and so on...

Then for the economics, not sure where it went off on that, but what my input/argument was for that is this: not taking electricity, gas, blah-blah into it, seeing it to be cheaper to buy 10 bucks worth of food to fed a family for a good size meal, is cheaper than getting 4 7 dollar value meals.

I didnt take electricity into it, cuz the fridge is always on, even when its almost empty.

And i didnt put gas into it, because you need to drive the car to either the store, or the fast food joint of your liking.

Any, and all of my input never had a nutritional issue in it, its out of my league.

[skunk]

A perfectly valid argument nonetheless gf.

[boycotteverything]

The family gets out of shape, unless you consider round a shape...Will you fucking stop this shit? You're making me pee my pants!

[KIWI]

poo-pooing gets you nowhere.

7]_7ce4W4Lf-M7]

[WarlordZeroOne]

Where doe's Cog and Jackinthebox get their STAMINA from,and don't say McDonalds. lol

[skunk]

Wendys actually. 99 cents chicken nuggets.

[guinnessford]

Cmon, now people!

Stamina dont always come from food....

Yeah, B.E. its a valid argument, but im not so sure anymore that I was arguing the right point.

I may have read into what he said wrong, and gone off without a reason.

Oh well, intertubz exemplifies that, dont it?

Hope you didnt pee...

[Jackinthebox]

But processed crap food, NOT JUST THE STUFF IN THE BURGER JOINTS, is cheaper than good healthy food. I still stand by that, and will argue that ounce for ounce on any given Sunday G.

Then our argument is out of context, as i see it.

Ill elaborate to maybe either clear it up, or see it on an even level.

What I had read into (and possibly out of your context) is that what I see as a problem with kids getting fat and parent(s) getting blamed for it as follows:

The mindset of "Its easier to hit B.K. on the way home" than go to a store to buy food, and prepare it, gets into a cycle.

The family gets out of shape, unless you consider round a shape...

Parents get blamed because they are responsible for the childs well-being (and me thinks it started to go off from here, about parents being responsible for a childs actions, but this is an action, or lack of, by the parent)

Once a child, or children get on the downhill slide of being overweight, it can get worse by complacency, the lack of energy usually slows down activity, and so on...

Then for the economics, not sure where it went off on that, but what my input/argument was for that is this: not taking electricity, gas, blah-blah into it, seeing it to be cheaper to buy 10 bucks worth of food to fed a family for a good size meal, is cheaper than getting 4 7 dollar value meals.

I didnt take electricity into it, cuz the fridge is always on, even when its almost empty.

And i didnt put gas into it, because you need to drive the car to either the store, or the fast food joint of your liking.

Any, and all of my input never had a nutritional issue in it, its out of my league.

I'll grant it to you, and I said from the start, that fast food can be a bit more expensive. Without coupons, without the dollar menu. But like in the example I gave earlier, it's often worth the buck or two to save time. And of course, that's not considering the garbage foods that can be taken home from the supermarket, like dollar banquet meals and so forth.

Now in the case of the mother with the obese 14 year old. Was it really a slothful "laziness" that left her bringing home a bag of burgers for dinner, or was it the fact that she was working two jobs and through the night? If she were just sitting around and not working, there might be a little more of an argument there. If, of course, it weren't for the fact that once you're in that death spiral, foods like that actually sap your energy to the point that eventually they leave you so drained that you'll be stuck to the couch with dorito crumbs riding up your ass and a perma-streak of mountain dew between your man tits, and literally not even having enough energy to get to the bathroom. And let's not forget the deliberately engineered addictive qualities of those food-like substances and the all-too-clever mind-numbing advertising and general food culture of our society overall.

Thanks for making the effort here though GF. I think we have reached some common ground, are pushing away some misunderstanding. Which really is very diffucult to do in this subject area, so rife with bias and so charged with emotion.

Cheers

And just so you guys know, I probably won't be back today, and might be gone for the next few days in fact. We'll see what happens. But I'll be checking back on this thread when I return.

Later

[boycotteverything]

And just so you guys know, I probably won't be back todayaw shucks

[pack3tg0st]

it's often worth the buck or two to save time

paying a buck or two extra to ingest poison is very rarely worth the time saved...

[boycotteverything]

paying a buck or two extra to ingest poison is very rarely worth the timeexcept for Terrorin, of course.

[Cogburn]

it's often worth the buck or two to save time

paying a buck or two extra to ingest poison is very rarely worth the time saved...
Which, of course, is the point.

The "time" argument is purely anecdotal emotionalism.

If it's important to you, you find the time. It doesn't matter what it is.

[boycotteverything]

well doesn't that just sum up this entire exercise in futility. it's really all about abject sloth.

[Cogburn]

well doesn't that just sum up this entire exercise in futility. it's really all about abject sloth.
Aren't most societal issues in the final analysis?

[boycotteverything]

absolutely

[guinnessford]

it's really all about abject sloth. Point:B.E.

[KIWI]

it's really all about abject sloth. Point:B.E.

GF, you should know by now, to see BE's "point", ..........just ask him to lift his hat :ncool:

[Jackinthebox]

I would hardly call working two jobs "sloth." Of course, in the imaginationland of some people, there are an infinite number of hours in each day and everyone has all the time and money in the world to prepare healthy meals.

[mojo]

shrooms are free, you'll very quickly forget any hunger pangs. :D