The Case for the Civilization on the Moon

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The Case for the Civilization on the Moon

There is a civilization of human beings who live on the Moon. This is the biggest and best kept secret on earth.

The nearside of the Moon, which is the side that faces earth, appears to be a desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon, which also has a breathable atmosphere also has lakes, rivers, forests, snow-capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

Most of mankinds misconceptions about the moon have been carefully and systematically fed to us over thousands of years.

People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 and that the earth's gravity is 5.5 gr/cm3. And with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

Fg=G x m1m2/r2

The assumption that the density of the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 is based on:

1. Earth density is 5.5 gr/cm3 and the gravity of the moon is one sixth that of earth.
2. Observations of asteroids and the Earth's polar axis
3. Angular momentum
4. Soil samples from the moon
5. Keplers Third Law
6. Shockwave measurement

In fact, we have no idea what the density of the moon is and we are just assuming that the density is 3.3 gr/cm3 because that is the only explanation apparent to us at this time. It seems to make sense.

Just as we have no idea what the density of the earth is. We make educated guesses of 5.5 gr/cm3 and we say "Well it has to be 5.5 gr/cm3 because the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 and the moons gravity is one sixth that of earth so there is no other option.

Oh yes, and the Cavendish experiment with 2 solid metal spheres. This experiment determined the gravitational constant in Newton's gravitational equation which was then used to determine the mass of the Earth.

And of course they hypothesize and inner and outer iron core of Earth to make in density what they lack in actual evidence.

So essentially we don't really know what earth's density is.

There are 5 main theories for the existence of the moon in orbit around the earth and they are:

1 - Capture from an independent orbit.
2 - Formation as a double planet.
3 - Fission from a rapidly rotating Earth.
4 - disintegration of incoming planetesimals.
5 - Earth impact by a Mars sized planetesimal.

There is another theory that is not generally accepted but its occurrence is far more likely and that is that our moon was placed in orbit around our earth by a civilization very far advanced from our own.

Our moon is in rotational lock around our earth. This means that only one face or one hemisphere of the moon, what we call the "nearside", ever faces earth.

A contemporary and completely fallacious and bogus explanation by mainstream science for 'rotational lock' is a fantasy force called 'tidal locking', which has forced the moon, whatever its origin, into this 'rotational lock'.

"Tidal Locking" was only proposed a few years ago to explain the moons rotational lock.

In fact, in my opinion, tidal locking has no scientific validity and those who defend it are only making up a theory to account for the unexplainable. Which is what mainstream science is all about anyway.

The scientific community claims that most all of the moons and satellites of the planets in the solar system are 'tidally locked' with their mother planets. In my opinion this is not a fact.

One of the earliest memories of man is that there was a time, many thousands of years ago, when there was no moon in the sky.
Immanuel Velikovsky wrote that Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the earth was without a moon.

Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already there 'before there was a Moon in the sky above the earth'; for this reason, they were called Proselenes.

Apollonius Rhodius mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on the mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.�

So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence; mine is that it a large space ship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.
Whatever you decide the moon really is or where it came from or how it got here and placed itself into a rotationally locked orbit there are many strange things about our moon which are not easily explained.

One is that its size, when viewed from earth is identical to the apparent size of the sun. Isaac Asimov says, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all planets is blessed in this fashion."

Moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old approximately 700 million years older than the earth.

The moons composition should conform to normal planetary formation with heavier elements in the core and lighter elements at the surface. On the moon however, elements like titanium are found at the surface in great quantity.

Another oddity is that women of childbearing age menstruate once every complete cycle of the moon (27.3 days).

Many scientists and astronomers in history have proposed and or believed that the moon has a breathable atmosphere and that there is a civilization, possibly of human-like beings that live on the farside.

In the 1950's there were a number of men, derogatorily referred to as "contactees" that claimed to have been taken to the moon in flying saucers. They were shown magnificent cities with enormous buildings, many strange structures and constructs; rivers, lakes, meadows, forests along with fantastic scenery, much of it similar to earth.

Two of these 'contactees' were George Adamski and Howard Menger, who, unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the Pentagon.

Howard Menger claimed to have ridden on a train that was "a strange vehicle that had no wheels, rested in suspension about a foot above a cooper highway which ribboned through the terrain and disappeared from view." He went on: "We boarded the train and soon were gliding noiselessly above the highway. As we traveled we could see all around and above us."

Howard went on to describe the terrain. "Some of the terrain, in one section of the moon near the so-called "dark-side" reminded me of Flagstaff, Arizona while other desert sections made me think of Nevada. Huge cliffs and mountains made our own look like ant hills. One particular desert locale brought to mind "The Valley of Fire" in Nevada. There we stopped long enough for your guide to open the door and permit us to stick our heads out for a brief moment, which is all one could take, for it was terrible hot outside-like a blast furnace. I was certain that no one cold have lived outside very long and was glad he had shut the door."
At the end of his 4 day tour of the moon Menger said he was wined and dined by his hosts, along with many others from Earth who had similarly taken the tour.

Whatever the truth there is certainly photographic evidence by Russian Zond, Lunar Orbiter and Apollo mission photos that clearly show buildings, mining operations and mining equipment, factories, domes, cranes and in one case, in the crater Aristarchus, we can see what appears to be a huge, 24 miles diameter, hexagonal, dome shaped structure, emitting or surrounded by a strange blue glow.

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This blue glow has been described by one nuclear physicist as the Cherenkov Effect which is the result of radiation coming in contact with molecules of air.

Modern science has claimed that the moon is an airless, that although there is an atmosphere, it is so minute it is virtually a vacuum. They back up this claim with the formula that the moon has only one sixth the gravity of earth and further claim that no breathable atmosphere could be held intact with that small amount of gravity.

They also point to the films of the Apollo astronauts hopping and skipping across the lunar landscape in apparent one sixth gravity.
If one points out that these hops and skips are barely more than 12 inches high, 18 inches at the most they tell you that the astronauts were wearing very heavy spacesuits and backpacks and that it was dangerous to take advantage of the minimum gravity to jump any higher.

If a breathable atmosphere is suggested mainstream science counters that there is no occultation of a star passing behind the moon, thereby proving, they say, that there is no atmosphere.
If you propose that the atmosphere could be very, very clean with no dust or other particles and that the height of the atmosphere might not be thick enough to actually see an occultation they dismiss it with: "What about all the scientific data from all the moon probes and Apollo astronauts?"

And therein lays the question of whether or not there is more than one sixth gravity and or a breathable atmosphere on the moon: who is correct?

The contactees who say there is a civilization on the moon, with some gravity and a breathable atmosphere or mainstream science with all of their billions of dollars of scientific probes and the testimony of the Apollo astronauts, who, it is claimed, were actually there?

One of those astronauts, Buzz Aldrin had this to say about what it felt like to be on the moon:

"For Christ's sake. I don't know. I just don't know. I have been frustrated since the day I left the Moon by that question."

Edgar Mitchell had this to say: "Somehow I couldn't resurrect the feelings I had while there, although my thoughts and action were easily summoned."

And Neil Armstrong has had little to say about being the first man on the moon. At the 25th Anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing on the moon he commented: " (there are) breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief."

Another puzzle in the mystery of the Moon is the so-called "neutral point". The neutral point is that point in space, between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earth's gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moon's gravity, hence 'neutral point'.

Mainstream science, up until a few years ago maintained that the neutral point was 24,000 miles from the moon and that, according to the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square which states:

"Any physical quantity or strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them, specifically, the gravitational attraction between two massive objects, in additional to being directly proportional to the product of their masses, is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

The gravity on the moon would be one sixth that of earths.
But there are a few problems with that 24,000 miles figure.
"At a point 43,495 miles from the Moon, lunar gravity exerted a force equal to the gravity of the Earth, then some 200,000 miles distant." - Wernher von Braun (Time Magazine, July 25, 1969.)

This is Eugene Cernan's book "The Last Man On The Moon" written with Don Davis. Copyright 1999 Eugene Cernan and Don Davis. St. Martin's Griffin, New York. ISBN 0-312-19906-6 (hc) ISBN 0-312-26351-1 (pbk) LOCC TL789.8.U6A52435 1999 629.45"0092-dc21{b}:

(Inbound to the Moon) "It was Saturday December 9 and we were in the moons firm hold only about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment."

This is Michael Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire An Astronaut's Journeys" Copyright 1974 by Michael Collins. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New York LOCCC TL789.85.C64A33 629.4'092'4 74-7211:

(Outbound from the Moon) "Houston reports the instant at which we leave the lunar sphere of influence. This means that despite the fact we are only 34,000 nautical miles (39,000 statue miles) from the moon and still 174,000 miles from earth, the earth's pull has become dominant, and the mathematical equations now recognize that fact."

Reginald Turnhill “The Moonlandings� Copyright Reginald Turnhill 2003. Cambridge University Press ISBN 0521815959.

(Inbound to the Moon)"Soon after that a new stage in manned spaceflight was reached. Like a ball thrown upwards, the spacecraft had been gradually slowing down, until its velocity was 2724 mph and its position was 202,825 miles from Earth, and 38,900 miles from the Moon. For the first time, men had reached a point where the pull of Earth’s gravity was less than that of another body. Now the pull of lunar gravity was greater and the craft’s speed began to increase again as it fell towards the moon."

Reginald Turnhill “The Moonlandings� Copyright Reginald Turnhill 2003.

No matter how many flip flopping, flap jacking Earth Moon sun 'spheres of influence' paradigm shifting 'non-rotating (or rotating) frames of reference' you throw into the mix the fact is at some point the Apollo spacecraft left the dominant pull of earths gravity and was in the dominant pull of the moon's gravity or left the dominant pull of the moon's gravity and was in the dominant pull of the earth's gravity. That point is the neutral point and that point is approximately 43,495 miles.

And that point using the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square to calculate the 'relative' pull of the earth to the relative pull of the moon is, using earth as '1' is .64 for the moon.

That means that the relative gravity on the moon is .64 of earth's gravity. That is approximately 2/3 of earth's gravity.

Now you can talk, sing, dance, play pinochle, play charades, stand on your head, spout nonsense like:


Quote:The 'sphere of influence' concept was computationally most practical. That's the second approach.And in real terms, it's the only 'authentic' definition, as you can show by calculating the Earth-SUN 'neutral point' both ways, and see that the 'classic' (i.e., pre-Space-Age) method gives a neutral point CLOSER to Earth than the moon's orbit -- counter-intuitive and contrary to several billion years of loyal lunar earth-orbiting. Jim Obergall you want but the moons gravity is at least 64% of earth's gravity.

Von Braun gave us 43,495 miles; Collins gives us "firm hold only about 38,000 miles out"; Cernan gives us "39,000 miles from the moon out"; Turnhill gives us "38,900 miles from the moon". Now it can't get much clearer than that.

Let's look at the possibility, however far fetched it may seem and suppose that some incredibly advanced civilization wanted to monitor earth and its start up mankind, the dawn of civilization on Earth.

Let's suppose that they built a huge spaceship in the form of the Moon. They have designed it so that mankind will never have an inkling that they are being watched, nurtured and helped along.

The Spaceship Moon has on one hemisphere an atmosphere, normal gravity, lakes, mountains, rivers, meadows, forests, large cities in which the owners live and carry out their monitoring of Earth.

On the other hemisphere is a bleak, desolate, seemingly deserted land, bereft of any apparent life, with thousands of craters, huge mares of unknown material and many mountain ranges.

They place the Spacecraft Moon in orbit around the Earth so the developing civilization (us) sees only the bleak, desolate side.

They arrange the distance of this Spacecraft Moon in orbit so that, at least for a while, mankind, in their infinite ignorance will conclude: there can be no gravity; there can be no atmosphere; Conclusion? Nobody is home.

The mysterious 'Watchers' with technology advanced by hundreds of thousands of years has managed to create gravity which is normal on their side but less on the side seen by Earth.

They may accomplish this feat by locating a gravity B generator inside the moon slightly further from earth than the geocentric center. The gravity B generator would cause a normal 1 "g" gravity other farside and .64 "G" on the nearside.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/885/lunargravitryarj2.png
The blue circle represents the gravity B field that is displaced 59 kilometers (37 miles) further away from Earth from the geocentric center of the moon.

One of the mysteries of the Moon is her "Mascons". Mascons are massive concentrations of gravity which affect the orbital paths of spacecraft flying over them.

The known Mascons on the nearside are Imbrium, Serenitatis, Crisium, Nectaris and Humorum.

Here is how they are oriented on the nearside of the Spaceship Moon:

Since this Spaceship Moon is not really a "moon" composed of dirt, rock and an iron core it can't maintain it's distance from Earth by normal gravitational attraction (it's not dense enough) it has to maintain it's distance from Earth by other than the gravity generated by the gravity B generator.

To maintain its distance from Earth, the Spaceship Moon might use a gravity A wave generator which is not actually a 'generator" as such; it is a machine that accesses and amplified the gravity A wave which can exert an enormous pull. So enormous in fact that is can hold the Spaceship Moon in orbit around the earth by using the gravity A wave which pulls it toward the earth or actually pulls the Earth towards the Moon.

The gravity A wave has enormous gravity amplifiers through which the amplified gravity A waves extend. These beams might radiate from several of the moon's mascons.

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Maybe it's these gravity A wave 'beams' that cause the orbital paths of the spacecraft flying over them to be perturbed.
It may also be possible to "ride" one of these amplified A wave beams from the Earth to the Moon.

Another Spaceship Moon mystery is its 'libration'. Libration is the Spaceship Moons 'wobble' and this wobble is theorized by mainstream science to be caused by "tidal lock". "Tidal lock" is a nonsensical theory to account for unknown forces. Like "gravitons" to account for gravity (which is total nonsense).

Maybe the Spaceship Moon's libration or 'wobble' is caused by the rotation of the moon about the location of the gravity B wave generator which is located further away (from the Earth) from the center of the Spaceship Moon's geocentric center.

It's curious to note that one cycle of libration is equal to one period of rotation of the Spaceship Moon.

In 1856, Peter Andreas Hansen, a much respected Danish Mathematician and Astronomer proposed to the Royal Astronomical Society that the moon was not spherical but ellipsoidal, with the longest axis directed towards earth. Based on the very slight discrepancy between the observed position of the moon and its position predicted by calculation he hypothesized that that the moons center of gravity was not at its geometric center but actually located at a point 59 kilometers (37 miles) farther from earth than the center of the figure.

His theory was that the hemisphere turned towards earth would be elevated above the average altitude of the moon's surface and would therefore be sterile because any atmosphere would seek a lower altitude. But he proposed that the opposite hemisphere, the hemisphere lower in altitude could have an atmosphere and it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things.

If only one hemisphere had an atmosphere that might explain why no stars were occulted, the basis that current science uses to discount an atmosphere on the moon.

Hansen's hypothesis was widely accepted until 1870 when Simon Newcomb came to Europe from the U.S. and ridiculed Hansen's theory not with facts but with the statement that Hansen's work was "mere speculation, unsupported by analogy, probability or observation."

Support for Hansen's theory began to crumble and in the next few years was completely forgotten.

After all, Simon Newcomb was a man of considerable import; he was a U.S. Navy Admiral and Director of the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

It's not clear from the papers available today exactly what calculations caused Hansen to believe that the moon's center of gravity was 59 kilometers (37 miles) further away from earth but maybe his computations of libration were included.

But whatever his calculations where he concluded that that the farside could have an atmosphere and that "it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things."

All of us have been told, since we were old enough to listen that the moon is a desolate, airless, colorless wasteland.

The U.S. Government even spent 20 billion dollars on the Apollo Program to make sure that we believed it so. They showed us movies of Apollo astronauts, wearing moon suits, hopping around in what was said to be one sixth gravity of the Earth.

I once talked to a former NASA psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of huge 'constructs'.
So NASA has lied to us for almost 50 years about what they know about the moon. Why? Why, indeed.

But for whatever reason, the moon is certainly much different than what we have been told whether or not it has a greater gravity and whether or not it has a breathable atmosphere.

My opinion is the moon is an interesting place with most everything we have here on earth; gravity the same; breathable atmosphere; a civilization far advanced from ours; forests, lakes, meadows, rivers, towering snow-capped mountains, gorgeous and inspiring scenery, cities, bridges, highways, huge structures the purpose of which we can only guess.
[B]Re.post= JOHN LEAR(just for the hell of it)

Had 62 pages before the APECI/disappearance

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In July 1947, the radar at the Four Corners area in the southwestern United States effected and took down an alien disk. It was entirely an accident. The disk landed near Roswell, New Mexico. It was to be the first of two disks that would crash in that area. On board, scientists and military personnel found several dead alien beings. An immediate analysis of their species could not be determined, but the aliens had both reptilian and insect-like qualities. Also on board were found the remains of several military personnel.

As far as we know, this was the first major indication that human beings were being taken by an alien species. Within two years, the government would run into another case on the White Sands Missile Range where Sergeant John Louette would be abducted right in front of a witness by a disk that hauled him aboard with tentacle-like cables. His body was found three days later about ten miles from where he was taken.

Military and intelligence forces seized the Roswell disk and took it and the bodies to Los Alamos. It is estimated that the government has had in its possession at least 35 disks and 131 alien bodies over the last 45 years. They also have captured several live entities.

In 1949, another disk crashed, with one fatality and one living alien, whom they kept in a facility with an electromagnetic grid to ensure the isolation of the entity. The entity, whom MJ-12 member Detlev Bronk termed an EBE (Extra-terrestrial Biological Entity) and later ALF (Alien Life Form).

Since technological superiority also means superiority in military and intelligence circles, it was decided by the government that it would be to their advantage to communicate with the aliens and possibly acquire advanced technology. They also wanted to find out more about both the aliens and the role they were playing in mutilations and abductions of humans and animals.

In 1952, the government created several special agencies to help with the problem. The National Security Agency (NSA) was created especially to deal with the aliens. Together with the NSA and the CIA, the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and Delta Security forces completely took over all aspects of alien and disk interaction.

One of the projects created in 1952 was Project Sigma, which was a joint NSA/CIA project that had as its objective communication with alien species. The project was successful, and after communications sponsored through Project Plato (establish diplomatic relations), a meeting was held between elements of the US Government and the species known as the Greys on April 25, 1954 at 6 pm at Holloman AFB. Two disks hovered above the runway while a third landed.
Thousands of feet of motion picture film were taken of the event, and in the 1980's, producer Linda Howe was contacted by Special Agent Doty of the AFOSI with a proposal to use some of the film in an HBO documentary. The government reversed its position later on, citing political reasons.

At the meeting at Holloman, a hostage was exchanged. The name of the US hostage is not known, but the alien hostage was known as Krlll (no vowels), who was confined to an electromagnetically secure facility near Los Alamos.

At one of the meetings between the government and the EBAN, as they called themselves, a treaty was negotiated. The government was aware that the EBAN had a part to play in both the mutilations and the abductions, and probably hoped to find a way to eventually stem the tide of these activities. The EBAN told the government that their abductions of humans were for medical examination purposes. It wasn’t until later that the government realized that the EBAN were lying to them.


The agreement was made, and contained some of the following provisions:

1. The United States would not reveal alien presence and would not interfere with alien operations.
2. The United States would allow the aliens to maintain underground bases. Old AEC underground facilities were some of the initial facilities to be offered, although larger facilities were built at 26 locations around the southwest.
3. The United States would allow the aliens to abduct its citizens on a periodic and limited basis for medical examination, providing that the people were returned unharmed and without memory of the interaction.
4. The aliens would furnish a periodic list of abductees. This list would be reviewed by the National Security Council.
5. The aliens would provide the United States with technology in beam weaponry, gravitational propulsion and mind control and implant technology. (Implant technology was in use as early as 1964 and legalized in Sweden by Olaf Palme)

It was estimated by scientists that the alien culture was at least 50,000 years ahead of ours. We even had our own scientists that were transferred to the alien world to study it. AFOSI Special Agent Doty:

“We have research scientists studying their planet like they study ours”...

Sometime after the government made the agreement with the aliens, they began to suspect that the aliens were abducting a larger number of people than reported to the NSC on the lists. The government wasn’t so concerned about the animal mutilations, only the actions that involved humans. They also realized they had made an error in trusting the aliens and that they couldn’t do anything about it - yet anyway.


So, the aliens had violated the agreement. There was also an awareness in the government of what the aliens were really doing with the people they abducted. There was apparently little they could do but try and keep the information classified to prevent panic. In December 1988, former Navy intelligence officer William Cooper interviewed a man who said,

“I don’t know everything, but it’s way out of control. To tell you the truth, I’m afraid of what’s going to happen. Giant underground shelters are being built under Groom Lake and in other places.”

At that time, in December 1988, there were other “leaks” that began to surface. It was said that the government tried to make contact with another group of aliens, allegedly the Reptilians (who are apparently advancing on this system), because they were one of the few enemies of the Greys who could get rid of them. The communication was done from the huge underground communications facility outside Datil, New Mexico in February of 1989. At the same time, at Los Alamos, scientists were phasing down the SDI program and continuing work on Project Excalibur, which involved nuclear missiles capable of penetrating 1000 meters of hard soil. They were equipped with a 1 megaton warhead, and were proposed for use on the underground EBE bases at Dulce, New Mexico, and others in the four corners area.

A new, more disturbing rumor began to surface. It said that the government had already developed an anti-matter weapon at Los Alamo National Laboratories, and would detonate it above the surface of the Earth, killing all life and destroying the atmosphere and water if the Reptilians would not help us get rid of the Greys. Evidently, other races use the Earth as a way station for natural materials and this was thought to be a good way to induce them to help us. There is no word on what the reply might have been.

The government decided to step up its public acclimation program, and the media began to feature more and more programs and concepts having to do with alien contact, trying to get the public prepared. It was thought by researchers that the government would stage its own controlled “UFO” landing in order to finally break the ice on the matter. Part of the acclimation program was the release of information simultaneously by the Soviet Union and the United States press about the landings in the Soviet Union that took place on September 27th, 1989. The use of the Soviet Union is apparently a tactic of MJ-12. Shortly after that, the radio talk shows in the western United States began buzzing with discussions of all facets of the alien problem.

There is no doubt that the government policy of secrecy makes the “harvests” easier for the Greys. Governments, by definition, are supposed to protect the public welfare. Obviously, something went very wrong here, and it appears that the Nazi SS intelligence-based CIA had a lot to do with it. One might note that alien related projects, such as those to test and fly captured alien disks and maintaining bases and “the other space program” require a lot of money. In 1949, there was virtually no heroin addiction in the United States.

Lucky Luciano was allowed to return to Italy around that time to start up the heroin processing labs in return for his help to the government during the invasion of Italy during the war. Heroin began flowing into the United States in the 1950's, and it provided a good start for the massive addiction problem we have today.

Bo Gritz, one of America’s most decorated heroes, recently wrote a book called “A Nation Betrayed”. In it he details that when he went over to Southeast Asia to investigate the POW problem, he discovered that the United States Government is the largest purchaser and distributor of heroin and cocaine in the world.


Primarily, the CIA and the Delta security forces (sponsored by the National Reconnaissance Office at Fort Carson, Colorado ) are involved. The process appears to serve two purposes:

1. To eliminate weaker elements of society
2. To provide funds for alien-related and space projects

In 1987, a Los Angeles police officer was killed when he discovered that the top floor of a hotel (name withheld) in Los Angeles was used as a CIA heroin/cocaine distribution point. Other points exist out of Riverton, Wyoming and on the Laguna Indian Reservation in Arizona. So much for the “Just Say No” program. Who was in charge of the CIA during the greatest increase in activity in these programs?. Wake up, planet Earth!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas5.htm#exopolitica

:mrgreen:

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

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The Far Side is not the Dark Side...

[Lexion]

John Lear (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=print&thread=1633)

BliblioBlaBla (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_aliensgovernment.htm)

Credit, where credit is due.

Regards,
Lex

[skunk]

John's back! Oh wait, nevermind.

[century]

For old times sake
I realize there aren't to many LEAR fans out there in the AMKON community

[Cogburn]

Because we have brains.

[century]

mmmmmmmm......that almost hurt

[Cogburn]

Meh... you've got a brain.

You just elect to apply it subjectively.

[century]

Johns a much better poster than I, hopefully I can convince him to join us again, fat chance though.

[Cogburn]

Just tell him Chorlton is gone, never to return.

[century]

Ive tried, he wont respond

[century]

He's to busy mining helium 3 at cut-throat.....punn

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

For old times sake
I realize there aren't to many LEAR fans out there in the AMKON community

I'm an unabashed Lear fan; I find him, and the circus that surrounds him, quite entertaining.

And I think for myself; imagine that!

[skunk]

...But you don't take his word as fact though do you goos?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

...But you don't take his word as fact though do you goos?

I take as a fact that his words serve to fuel the dander of those who take themselves waaaay too seriously.

I find his ideas and presentation entertaining, thought provoking, and, considering their source having been an old CIA spook, damn funny.

[century]

Spaulding, Johns not funny, your funny

[century]

XlkV1ybBnHI


First Men on Moon Saw UFOs
25-Jul-2006

In the documentary "Apollo 11: The Untold Story," shown on Britain's Channel Five on Monday night, July 24, astronaut Buzz Aldrin says he, Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins all saw a UFO shadowing their spacecraft. Apollo 11, which took off on July 16, 1969, was the first manned mission to the moon. Aldrin says, "There was something out there, close enough to be observed, and what could it be?"

In the documentary, he says, "Now, obviously the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston, we've got something moving alongside of us and we don't know what it is,' you know? We weren't about to do that, because we knew that that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and somebody might have demanded we turn back because of aliens or whatever the reason is." He says NASA knew about the UFO but covered up the information.

It has just been learned that all but two of the 700 boxes of Apollo 11 videos are mysteriously missing from the National Archives. The footage of the Apollo 11 mission was recorded on special 1-inch magnetic tape, and the only machines that can play it are at Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, which is being closed in the fall of 2006.

Astronaut Gordon Cooper, who took part in the earlier Mercury and Gemini missions, had his first UFO sighting as an Air Force pilot. He later said that a UFO landed at Edwards Air Force Base. In 1985, Cooper testified at the UN, saying, "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth. For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us." Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who was the 6th man to walk on the moon, has also said he believes in the existence of UFOs.

Whitley Strieber comments, "I was on a television program in the UK with Buzz Aldrin where he treated me with ill- concealed contempt and stated categorically that he had never seen a UFO. While I am glad that he has finally admitted a truth that I was told by other astronauts many years ago, I will never forget his treatment of me. In contrast, Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper were forthcoming with me. If there are craft guided by nonhumans in our skies, then we would be fools to assume that they are not also on the ground and in our lives. It's time for organizations like NASA to stop lying and get on with the process of contact."

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[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Spaulding, Johns not funny, your funny

I'm a hack; John can be crazy-funny sometimes - a real smart ass...

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David Flynn
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[KIWI]

Spaulding, Johns not funny, your funny

I'm a hack; John can be crazy-funny sometimes - a real smart ass...

the cap is right "cent", John Lear tells us as per his bio,....." Im lazy, got a smart mouth and a real bad attitude", which is of course why he is an ideal poster for here, its all history now "cent".....bastard never did answer the one question I came here to ask him, and Im not chasing him around the toobz,...some a-hole will nick my seat :roll:

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Xcon 2004 - Philip Corso, Jr - The Legacy of Colonel Philip J. Corso - UFOs Pt 1 - 47:32 - Jan 23, 2007

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Part 2
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Philip J. Corso (May 22, 1915–July 16, 1998) was an American Army officer.

He served in the United States Army from February 23, 1942, to March 1, 1963,[1] and earned the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

Late in his life, in the book The Day After Roswell, Corso tells about how he was involved in the research of extraterrestrial technology recovered from the 1947 Roswell UFO crash.

http://en.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/)

[Cogburn]

Corso Debunk #1 (http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-49.html)
Corso Debunk #2 (http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/jun/a24-002.shtml)
Corso Debunk #3 (http://www.ntskeptics.org/1997/1997july/july1997.htm)
Even Stanton Friedman says "Poo". (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfcorso.html)

Kinda surprised no one has brought him up sooner.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Centuary,you can post as much info as you like,YOU will never convince me or many other people,that there is a populous on the Dark-side-of-the-Moon.you need to lay off the weed,Even though my favorite band says "as a matter of fact its all DARK" The Brilliant Pink Floyd.

[Chorlton]

Just tell him Chorlton is gone, never to return.

You dont get out of paying me my winnings that easy !

[Cogburn]

ROFLMFAO

PM where it needs to go, codger.

Nice to see you.

[KIWI]

Corso Debunk #1 (http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-49.html)
Corso Debunk #2 (http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/jun/a24-002.shtml)
Corso Debunk #3 (http://www.ntskeptics.org/1997/1997july/july1997.htm)
Even Stanton Friedman says "Poo". (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfcorso.html)

Kinda surprised no one has brought him up sooner.


shit Kog, thats a klassic, heres one from your link.....


CONTRARY TO CORSO'S CLAIM, THE U.S. HAS NO MISSILE-LAUNCHED HIGH-ENERGY LASERS NOR ANY DIRECTED PARTICLE-BEAM WEAPONS.


he can make a statement like that?

[Cogburn]

Granted, that article was from 1998. It was true at the time.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/71-1/711apxlf.htm

[lala]

Granted, that article was from 1998. It was true at the time.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/71-1/711apxlf.htm


:lol: what time was that . . . . :lol:

[WarlordZeroOne]

Nicely put Lala.

[KIWI]

Granted, that article was from 1998. It was true at the time.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/71-1/711apxlf.htm

who's truth ? thats the problem, how does Klass know?.......I guess he just rang the USAF help-desk......

ring-ring....ring-ring ........"Good-morning, USAF help-desk, private Betsy May-Sue speaking, how can I help?"

"err,..... hi its Phil Klass here, ..ummm...you guys got any of those big fuck-off lasers for tuning up naughty commies?"

" well mr Klass, thats an interesting question, arrr....no"

"Kthanxbi"

[KIWI]

seen this Cog? http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/08/moon-landing/earth-portrait

[century]

Corso Debunk #1 (http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-49.html)
Corso Debunk #2 (http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/jun/a24-002.shtml)
Corso Debunk #3 (http://www.ntskeptics.org/1997/1997july/july1997.htm)
Even Stanton Friedman says "Poo". (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfcorso.html)

Kinda surprised no one has brought him up sooner.




Opinions are like ASS_HOLES

[century]

Just tell him Chorlton is gone, never to return.

You dont get out of paying me my winnings that easy !





Now Ive lost all hope, god damn stay at fucking hoaxmasters :bom:

[boycotteverything]

who's truth ? thats the problem, how does Klass know?.......I guess he just rang the USAF help-desk......

Always be wary when relying on Phil Klass

From General Striker's definition in the Urban Dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=General+Striker

2. Klassic 1 thumb up love it hate it

Of and pertaining to the methods used in debunking UFOs in the manner of Philip Klass.
Swamp gas? Klassic!
get this def on a mug Mug
disingenuous pernicious nixonian gratuitous debunkery
by General Striker Jul 9, 2009 share this

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Memories selectively edited:

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There are wonders beyond belief, there are truths to be revealed if one can remove truths protective layers.
N. Armstrong

PUx1SURbb3g

[skunk]

I find his ideas and presentation entertaining, thought provoking, and, considering their source having been an old CIA spook, damn funny.

The good ol' CIA. Hands in every pocket, eh?

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bDIXvpjnRws

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Read between the lines folks

[Ducky]

He's probably the only (first of the lot) astronauts that has a belief.

[offsite:h1t3147v]Communion on the Moon - Buzz Aldrin
by Bill Carrell

Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were the first men to walk on the moon in the Apollo 11 space mission. Michael Collins third member of the group, was in charge of the command module, essential for their return to earth, which circled the moon while Armstrong and Aldrin landed. The moon lander touched down at 3:17 Eastern Standard Time, Sunday, July 20, 1969.

Aldrin had brought with him a tiny communion kit, given him by his church, that had a silver chalice and wine vial about the size of the tip of his finger. During the morning he radioed, "Houston, this is Eagle. This is the LM pilot speaking. I would like to request a few moments of silence. I would like to invite each person listening in, whoever or wherever he may be, to contemplate for a moment the events of the last few hours, and to give thanks in his own individual way."

"In the radio blackout," he wrote later, "I opened the little plastic packages which contained the bread and the wine. I poured the wine into the chalice our church had given me. In the one-sixth gravity of the moon, the wine slowly curled and gracefully came up the side of the cup. Then I read the Scripture, 'I am the vine, you are the branches. Whosoever abides in me will bring forth much fruit.' I had intended to read my communion passage back to earth, but at the last minute Deke Slayton had requested that I not do this. NASA was already embroiled in a legal battle with Madelyn Murray O'Hare, the celebrated opponent of religion, over the Apollo 8 crew reading from Genesis while orbiting the moon at Christmas. I agreed reluctantly..." "Eagle's metal body creaked. I ate the tiny Host and swallowed the wine. I gave thanks for the intelligence and spirit that had brought two young pilots to the Sea of Tranquility. It was interesting for me to think: the very first liquid ever poured on the moon, and the very first food eaten there, were the communion elements."[/offsite:h1t3147v]

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/communion.html

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you obviously haven't seen any ed mitchell vids


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Leroy Gordon Cooper, Jr., also noted as Gordo Cooper, (March 6, 1927 – October 4, 2004) was an engineer and American astronaut. Cooper was one of the seven original astronauts in Project Mercury, the first manned-space effort by the United States. He flew the longest spaceflight of the Mercury project, was the first American to sleep in orbit, and was the last American to launch alone into Earth orbit and conduct an entire solo orbital mission.
wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leroy_Gordon_Cooper)

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Tlj6u1iQgJQ



Possible Phobos anomaly or "monolith" that Buzz was talking about....



http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/sp2551/sp255103h.jpg

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Phobos map (JPL)

http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/phobos2/map.jpg

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http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/phobos2/west-object.jpghttp://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/phobos2/westobcomp.jpg

Figure 3. Westernmost (highest sun elevation) group of objects in SPS255103 with elongated shadows.

Notice that there is no shadow in the adjacent crater, another indication of a high sun angle. It seems quite possible that these objects are actually much taller than the lengths of their shadows might suggest, given the apparently high sun elevation. These objects are much smaller than the monolith, so the above image has been enlarged. It was also "orthorectified" by stretching the image until the nearby craters were round. The craters in the western (upper) part of the raw image are extremely elliptical in shape. That could be explained by a difference in resolution in the vertical and horizontal directions of the image plane that is in turn related to the scanning rate of the camera as the spacecraft rotated to sweep the 1-pixel wide array of CCD elements across the moon. Alternatively, it might be explained by an extreme off-nadir viewing angle of the region in that part of the image. The latter cause is familiar to anyone who has seen a few spacecraft images of planets or moons. As shown in Figure 4, the MSSS processed version that most people would see when browsing the USGS archive, further distortions were introduced by the stretching of the already distorted raw image, making these features virtually unnoticeable. There are other "orthorectified" images in the MGS archive that were stretched to make the craters look round. In this case, however, the rectification worked only for a few craters at the bottom of the image near the shadow terminator. The stretching operation distorted the rest of the image, particularly toward the top.

http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/phobos2/phobos2.htm

[Ducky]

Read between the lines folks

6 fingered.

Like the Annuaki, Nehpilim...etc.

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bEsPKcRV5ZE

[WarlordZeroOne]

Centuary,at least the posting has been worth it,you are convinced, and there is nothing wrong in that,and thats what this Forum is all about, AmKon is a Great site for real OPEN debate,and i like that.

[century]

"You now face a new world, a world of change. We speak in strange terms, of harnessing the cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy." The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

>General Douglas MacArthur - Oct. 8, 1955.<


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JOHN LEAR MOON BASES:


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/34897/JOHN_LEAR_MOON_BASES__1/

[Raptor Jesus]

BUMPED-

I'm a Lear fan... Whether he's right or wrong, at least he has the cojones to say what he thinks... There is a lot of strange stuff going on in the Solar system...

Even our Earth...

We've only drilled 22 miles down... we've got no idea what else is there....

The survivors of Atlantis?

[Trauma Teased]

BUMPED-

I'm a Lear fan... Whether he's right or wrong, at least he has the cojones to say what he thinks... There is a lot of strange stuff going on in the Solar system...



Nothing wrong with being a fan of Lear, he is after all quite entertaining with his soulcatcher and all. But please, don't take his words as gospel. Do some reasearch yourself, you will quickly realize that the man is full of crap.

Take for instanse the famous Aristarchus crater, which John Lear and Zorgon has an image of over at their site "The living moon". That blue, "glowing" crater which supposedly is a reactor or something...
You can see a crappy image of the "reactor" here:
http://www.thestargates.com/thelivingmoon/

Aristarchus is NOT a reactor of any kind. It is a lunar impact crater located on the North West area of the Moon's nearside, and the material inside it is highly reflective. In some images (depending on amount and angle of light) it simply appears to be "glowing".

And since many people seems to think that NASA is lying about everything, I will not use NASA images to prove my point. Instead you can take a look at this astrophoto of Aristarchus crater. It is taken from Earth by a great photographer called Tony Gondola. He has nothing to do with NASA, and he would have absolutely no reason to manipulate the photo in any way:
http://amkon.net/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=64

Full image can be found here:
http://www.digital-flight.com/thebigeye/1-19-08%20pan%202.jpg

More of Tony Gondola's fantastic astropics to be seen at his website "The big eye": http://www.digital-flight.com/thebigeye/thebigeye.htm

A list of links to other sites with lots and lots of great lunar and planetary images by astrophotographers:
http://www.astro-imaging.de/astro/links.html

Moral is: Don't believe everyting people tell you. Especially not John Lear.

[century]

Nothing wrong with being a fan of Lear

Moral is: Don't believe everyting people tell you. Especially not John Lear.


Thanks for your impute it was very enlightening, oh ya ............and blossom , ........your mudda blows


Thanks

[gem1138]

We have known for some time, with a great deal of precision the density and mass of the earth and the moon. The density of the earth has long been known because we can measure the force of gravity with a device called a scale. Newton supplied the math to do the rest.

The mass and density of the moon can be determined by the effects of the tidal forces of the moon. An objects weight on the earth varies slightly as the moon orbits and this is evident in the rise and fall of the ocean levels. By observing the slight change in the weight of mass on the earth and combining that with precise knowledge of the orbit of the moon, and accurate determination of the moon’s mass and density were long ago determined.

Tidal locking has long been understood but in a nutshell, all dynamic systems have a tendency to move to a state of lowest energy. Before the moon was tidal locked, changing tidal forces from the earth would have caused its shape to distort producing heat. The dissipation of this heat is an energy loss and results in the moon’s rotation getting ever slower until it is tidally locked, its lowest energy state.

Similarly, the earth’s rotation is slowing due to the small tidal forces from the sun. Mercury was long thought to be tidally locked but modern observations with space probes have shown that it is almost but not totally tidally locked. It is getting there.

Now consider that in the sixties spacecraft from the Soviet Union and the United States circled, photographed and mapped the moon. Now other nations sent their probes with the latest technology to photograph and map the moon in ever greater detail. So is this occupation of the far side of the moon so well camouflaged that it is affectively invisible? That is not impossible but to call it unlikely seems silly when added to the unlikely possibility that there is a secret settlement in the first place. So are all of these nations altering their data to hide the existence of a far moon base? If these nation’s scientists knew of the base(s) and the need for a cover-up, why would they want to send a probe to map the moon. If they know, they are in the know so why bother?

I would be happy to have Lear live out his final years with the dignity that all living things deserve but this thread is damning evidence of the harm he is doing. He does this harm to the human community. As we seek enlightenment and the truth he is spreading delusional nonsense that he and too many others have chosen to believe.

Gee, Lear sounds a lot like an evangelist in that light. How’s that for name calling.

[century]

NASA, or any other space agency can always say they missed the good stuff whenever they decide to disclose what little info on space they have for us .

All the shit they have been putting in the public points towards colonizing Mars and the Moon in the future but there is no need to tell all to the public, they just need to give us an decent excuse to use our tax dollars.

[Hazelnut]

I absolutely love a great tale. Thank you all for making this an excellent read from start to finish. I just love the human mind. As Forest Gump so aptly said "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get."

[Trauma Teased]

NASA, or any other space agency can always say they missed the good stuff whenever they decide to disclose what little info on space they have for us .

All the shit they have been putting in the public points towards colonizing Mars and the Moon in the future but there is no need to tell all to the public, they just need to give us an decent excuse to use our tax dollars.

You must remember that the guys investigating the possibility of (for instanse) life on Mars and the Moon are SCIENTISTS. Not tabloid journalists or net forum posters out to collect stars and flags... :D

Scientists will not jump to conclusions and make public announcements before they have proof. The prosess of collecting and then analyzing data can take years and years, and they will not announce anything until they are absolutely sure that their conclusions hold water and can stand close scrutiny (peer review) from the rest of the scientific community.

At least not if they want to be respected and taken seriously ever again.

(Edit cause I can't spell...)

[Lexion]

At least not if they want to be respected and taken seriously ever again.



Heh.

Climategate comes to mind.

[anarch]

LOL Stole the words from my mouth lex

[Lexion]

:D

[Trauma Teased]

Heh.

Climategate comes to mind.

Excactly...

But what is up with the avatars today? Man, first all the sock puppets and now the avatars?!

Confused over here.
:cry:

[Lexion]

All in fun.

[MrPenny]

But what is up with the avatars today?

It's sort of a thin shiv just under the ribcage.

[Trauma Teased]

It's sort of a thin shiv just under the ribcage.

Yeah, well, I guess we should just be grateful you managed to get an avatar up at all.

:p

[century]

You must remember that the guys investigating the possibility of (for instanse) life on Mars and the Moon are SCIENTISTS.

At least not if they want to be respected and taken seriously ever again.

(Edit cause I can't spell...)


What better way to baffle people as a magician than to manipulate the science. I trust a scientist about as far as you could throw him.

The government funds alot of science and the government LIES in the name of security for themselves under the presumption that humans couldn't exist without them.

[Trauma Teased]

What better way to baffle people as a magician than to manipulate the science. I trust a scientist about as far as you could throw him.



Big accusation, big claim. You better bring on some hard proof that scientists are manipulating data in the exploration of space, then.

Where can I find these manipulated data? The fixt scientific papers? Do you have any links? Screen shots? Or even something you can mail me in the good ol' snail post?

[century]

If you read the whole thread you realize I'm not offering evidence to an opinion but rather expressing one. I would watch Richy Branson and Virgin Galactic (private inventers pursuing space) in the future, once they feel its out of their reach to disclose do to exposure they will begin to take down the curtain in turn offering an explanation for life and the prospect of space travel.

Its going to happen

[Lexion]

Cent, you and I may be on the
same page.

IF (mighty big if) there is ever
disclosure, I think it will be in
the techology fields.

Not aliens.

And yeah, Branson is doing some
great stuff.

[century]

Cent, you and I may be on the
same page.I can live with the fact that we agree to disagree on things


once the tech. comes, then the Aliens

[KIWI]

Big accusation, big claim. You better bring on some hard proof that scientists are manipulating data in the exploration of space, then.

Where can I find these manipulated data? The fixt scientific papers? Do you have any links? Screen shots? Or even something you can mail me in the good ol' snail post?

lol , check the box marked "manipulated space data"...cawk



Mystery surrounds a strange object which roared low over Marrickville on June 5, 1958, and caused near panic among the local residents. The Civil Aviation Department says there were no jet planes over Sydney on that particular afternoon.
Three days later hundreds of people who turned out to watch Sputnik II pass overhead saw a mysterious light approach from the north at 8.51 pm within a minute of the satellite's scheduled appearance, but it suddenly made a wide left-hand turn and went back towards the north. Two hours earlier, the switchboard of the Sydney Morning Herald was jammed with reports of another mysterious light with a tail which appeared at 6.45 pm travelling from east to west, made a U-turn and went back towards the east.
Mr Jack Greentree, a civil aviation air traffic control officer and former airline pilot, told reporters that he and his wife saw a pink-orange light as bright as* an average star pass over their Kensington home from north to south at 8.51 pm.
'To our surprise the light suddenly made a wide left-hand turn in the south and came back over our house and disappeared into the north. We both listened for an engine noise, but heard nothing.'
Holiday-makers in the Blue Mountains, who also turned out to watch the Sputnik, were treated to an aerial display by a cigar-shaped object which streaked across the sky at intervals.
Later that same month the crews of two aircraft travelling in different directions reported independently 'a terrific
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Sightings in New South Wales
explosion' high in the sky in the vicinity of Lithgow.
Dr Michael Gadsden, of the Imperial College, London, a world authority on auroral activity, who was brought to New Zealand specially for the International Geophysical Year, admitted to the press that since June 20, 1958, mysterious objects had been observed on radar screens. The objects had been rushing about, first travelling north, and then doubling back.
*The fact is,' stated Dr Gadsden, 'we don't know what is going on—it's something new. The objects are located somewhere within seventy miles of the earth.'

[Trauma Teased]

lol , check the box marked "manipulated space data"...cawk


I have absolutely no idea what the text you quoted has to do with manipulated scientific data and space exploration. You didn't even post a link to where you found this text.

[cartoon]

ya gotta forgive Kiwi. Lala's had him duct taped to a cellar wall for 3 days and he's in a rough mood.

[Trauma Teased]

ya gotta forgive Kiwi. Lala's had him duct taped to a cellar wall for 3 days and he's in a rough mood.


Tape him to the cellar wall again until he learns to link to his sources.
:D

[cartoon]

sorry. all his sources are currently outa reach. they're in the medicine cabinet on the second floor.

[Trauma Teased]

sorry. all his sources are currently outa reach. they're in the medicine cabinet on the second floor.

I'll go have a look. I'll see if I can find some antipsychotic drugs while I'm at it. Some AmKons seem to need it.

Come to mama. I'll make it all better.
http://amkon.net/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=161

[cartoon]

there. kindliness only found at amkon.

[century]

Come to on mama's face. I'll make it all better.
http://amkon.net/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=161

Fixt :jaw:

[boycotteverything]

...in your dreams you dyspeptic prick.

[captainkiwi]

morning Kiwi

[KIWI]

I have absolutely no idea what the text you quoted has to do with manipulated scientific data and space exploration. You didn't even post a link to where you found this text.

of course you dont dick-head because I never posted it, I dont think you have any idea full-stop,

[KIWI]

morning Kiwi

morning Ck, hows that work I commissioned coming on?

[KIWI]

I'll go have a look. I'll see if I can find some antipsychotic drugs while I'm at it. Some AmKons seem to need it.

Come to mama. I'll make it all better.
http://amkon.net/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=161

lol, this keeps getting better.

mama wanna play?

[captainkiwi]

morning Ck, hows that work I commissioned coming on?
whats for breakfast ? AmKorn flakes and banana for me please.

[KIWI]

Tape him to the cellar wall again until he learns to link to his sources.
:D

oh boy! neato.....another wannabe, just what you aware of ? its a CT site, where has your personel research led you?.....the source was left off to see what reaction came?

if you half an idea clown the response would have been....
" thats interesting kiwi, Ive not heard that before, unfortunately you have not linked a source, but it is obvious from the text that it is scanned? from a book I presume?.....I find it puzzuling that these sightings were reported prior to the inudation of near space with the multitude of "machinery" that is there now,

"but I have spoken to Chorlton and he was present as a quest at pine-gap to witness the Apollo transmissions, and assures us on that basis that all is well with the space-program"

I repeat,,,,cawk

[guinnessford]

i never subscribed o this theory, but never really looked at it too well either.

theres enuff for both sides to chew on here.

sometimes i accept things until proven completely unrealistic.

still havent gotten that far yet, but im looking.

[Trauma Teased]

oh boy! neato.....another wannabe, just what you aware of ? its a CT site, where has your personel research led you?.....the source was left off to see what reaction came?



Well, I gave you my reaction. It obviously provoced you a great deal. But that is basically your problem, not mine.

Happy New Year, man.

[KIWI]

Well, I gave you my reaction. It obviously provoced you a great deal. But that is basically your problem, not mine.

Happy New Year, man.

H N Y to you 2 :P

If you really are keen to open your mind a tad I will be only to glad to recommend some material.....not sure what has survived in the archives of this internet "suicide-bomber" called Amkon, but I have posted plenty, most of which has official and military connections.

My distrust of the fucktards that run this planet, the Universities, the research institutes etc, comes from a lifetime of personel observation, when what I was told, did not gel with what I was seeing....well, simple really.... "something" is going on here

I am lucky I guess to have also observed on 4 occaisions , ariel anomalies that defy current and historic accepted dogma, the first at 7 years old.

My distrust of NASA stems from there denial of the UFO question, do you not think it strange that an organization whom was tasked with space exploration chooses to deny the existence of this phenomenom?, officialy I should add .....in spite of the many reports made by there own personnel and respected scientists of varied disciplines?

When I broached this with Chorlton and BE at Hoax Masters, Chorltons reply was, "maybe these days,....but there were no sgnificant reports from Gov-Military sources at the time of the early space days"

I then laboriously typed out in excess of 100 verified military and scientific reports regarding UFO sightings from the time
These were quoted from Richard Dolan, and as I recall this didn not elicit a response pertinent to it from either of them......

but I see now that BE has done a post on Amkon regards Richard Dolan, I must go and check it out....maybe he has read it now?


......The "snippet" I posted regarding the "Sputnik" flyover is from a book called

UFO's Over The Southern Hemisphere: Michael Hervy

and will in the next few days quote from it in reply once again to Chorlton, similar in intent to the quoting of Dolan, but dealing this time ,as the title suggests, with the Southern Hem....Australasia

and BTW, nice to meet you

all my love and disdain....Kiwi :)

[lala]

Tape him to the cellar wall again until he learns to link to his sources.
:D


You will find that there will never be a link as there is not one he a "reader" of books that are general not avaiable on the internet . . . he scan the text needed . . . you've jumped into something that they are in the middle of and alot missing as it got wiped some 6 month's back . . .:D

[Trauma Teased]

My distrust of NASA stems from there denial of the UFO question, do you not think it strange that an organization whom was tasked with space exploration chooses to deny the existence of this phenomenom?



I also started out with a great deal of distrust towards NASA. And you have no idea how many Moon and Mars images I have looked at, how much time I have spent reading about space exploration, trying to learn and understand... I have also looked into a lot of UFO cases.

I don't deny that UFOs excists... Some cases are fascinating, and still unexplained. But when people claim that for instanse out of focus and reflective ice crystals filmed by the ISS or Space Shuttle are UFOs or living space creatures or whatever....

It's crap, you know. No wonder NASA don't comment on these "UFOs". They see them all the time, they know what they are. Learn about "bokeh".... Well known phenomena among photographers. Here are a couple of links for you, many, many more can be found by a Google search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/bokeh.html

Here you can also study the "bokeh" effect in a Coldplay video, by the way. Just see what the camera does to the the many light sources surrounding the stage! (Look from around 1:00) Hardly UFOs floating around Chris Martin, or what? Me thinks he would have noticed them...

dsz-EeNZBkI&feature=related

But hey, I'm willing to look at what you have to present. I have turned skeptic with time, but I'm not totally close minded. Not yet, anyway.
And it's nice to meet you too.
:)

[Trauma Teased]

You will find that there will never be a link as there is not one he a "reader" of books that are general not avaiable on the internet . . . he scan the text needed . . .

OK, I see. Sorry, I was not aware that the text was scanned. Perhaps I should have been, but I am techno challenged.

:D

[KIWI]

I don't deny that UFOs excists... Some cases are fascinating, and still unexplained. But when people claim that for instanse out of focus and reflective ice crystals filmed by the ISS or Space Shuttle are UFOs or living space creatures or whatever....

It's crap, you know. No wonder NASA don't comment on these "UFOs"


jesus christ TT.....good luck...I wouldnt give you 2 cents for any ISS shit, these days with the digital manipulation available I dont even go there, where are the close ups of the junk on the moon?....tech has been around for 60 plus years where science can resolve a matchbox from 90,000 + feet above the earths surface, through a multi layered atmosphere, but cant show us lunar close-ups in spite of all the recent missions from the Japanese etc?????????????

with no "atmosphere" to distort the image??????

not curious , a bit?

one swallow does not a summer make, which is why this topic needs to be judged from the total sum........I guess Percival Lowell, Clive Tombaugh etc etc etc etc etc etc etc .......can now rest easy that there experiences were no more than optometric natural anomalies......I thank you for the insight on their behalf

[KIWI]

and as for studying pics of the lunar surface.....these I have posted on this sight to the tune of a few hundred :)

[KIWI]

and for the record, I have never resticted myself to reading what is favourable to my "bent".....I read it all, from both camps

[Trauma Teased]

and as for studying pics of the lunar surface.....these I have posted on this sight to the tune of a few hundred :)

I'm sorry, I'm Norwegian... Language barrier. Do you mean that you have posted hundreds of lunar photos here at AmKon?

[KIWI]

Pac can you sort this double posting bullshit m8?

dont know what the hell is goin on there

confused....more so than noral

and BTW TT, it is well known round this board that Im a tech dinosaur, but try not to let this hold me back :)

[KIWI]

I'm sorry, I'm Norwegian... Language barrier. Do you mean that you have posted hundreds of lunar photos here at AmKon?

yes mate :)

have spent days studying them under magnification

which does not by any stetch of the imagination make me right

I comment on what I think is there

[KIWI]

I'm sorry, I'm Norwegian... Language barrier

fished for many years with Norwegian skippers......IMO they are very switched on, couteous, pragmatic people :)

[Trauma Teased]

jesus christ TT.....good luck...I wouldnt give you 2 cents for any ISS shit, these days with the digital manipulation available I dont even go there

...

not curious , a bit?



So you didn't look into the "bokeh" thing, eh?
:D

And are you suggesting that NASA use digital manipulation to make "UFOs" or "space creatures" turn up in ISS and Space Shuttle footage, why the hell would they do that?!

Anyway, there are a lot of sources where you can find really good photographs of the Moon... This is one of them, knock yourself out.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/lunar_images/

Here are also a list of links to sites where you can find some excellent astropics taken here from Earth of the Moon's near side. These are NOT pics from the evil NASA or any other official space agency.

Knock yourself out even more:
http://www.astro-imaging.de/astro/links.html

[KIWI]

no mate I didnt, but will have a squizz as you have bothered to post it :)

off to play some poker now, after I have a quick "mock" of skunko's latest effort :)

[KIWI]

Hey BE...Happy New Year man :) and to all

can you link me the Richard Dolan thread ?

[boycotteverything]

H N Y to you 2 :P

If you really are keen to open your mind a tad I will be only to glad to recommend some material.....not sure what has survived in the archives of this internet "suicide-bomber" called Amkon, but I have posted plenty, most of which has official and military connections.

My distrust of the fucktards that run this planet, the Universities, the research institutes etc, comes from a lifetime of personel observation, when what I was told, did not gel with what I was seeing....well, simple really.... "something" is going on here

I am lucky I guess to have also observed on 4 occaisions , ariel anomalies that defy current and historic accepted dogma, the first at 7 years old.

My distrust of NASA stems from there denial of the UFO question, do you not think it strange that an organization whom was tasked with space exploration chooses to deny the existence of this phenomenom?, officialy I should add .....in spite of the many reports made by there own personnel and respected scientists of varied disciplines?

When I broached this with Chorlton and BE at Hoax Masters, Chorltons reply was, "maybe these days,....but there were no sgnificant reports from Gov-Military sources at the time of the early space days"

I then laboriously typed out in excess of 100 verified military and scientific reports regarding UFO sightings from the time
These were quoted from Richard Dolan, and as I recall this didn not elicit a response pertinent to it from either of them......

but I see now that BE has done a post on Amkon regards Richard Dolan, I must go and check it out....maybe he has read it now?


......The "snippet" I posted regarding the "Sputnik" flyover is from a book called

UFO's Over The Southern Hemisphere: Michael Hervy

and will in the next few days quote from it in reply once again to Chorlton, similar in intent to the quoting of Dolan, but dealing this time ,as the title suggests, with the Southern Hem....Australasia

and BTW, nice to meet you

all my love and disdain....Kiwi :)hey- hold on there, moon boy. chorlton (that pig sucking limy piece of shit) and i disagree 100% on the reality of ET. so there. and don't make me ask the badge to repair the duct tape. bastard.

[KIWI]

And are you suggesting that NASA use digital manipulation to make "UFOs" or "space creatures" turn up in ISS and Space Shuttle footage, why the hell would they do that?!

Anyway, there are a lot of sources where you can find really good photographs of the Moon... This is one of them, knock yourself out.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/lunar_images/

Here are also a list of links to sites where you can find some excellent astropics taken here from Earth of the Moon's near side. These are NOT pics from the evil NASA or any other official space agency.

Knock yourself out even more:
http://www.astro-imaging.de/astro/links.html

shit TT....I didnt see the rest of your post above

your preaching to the convertsd here mate

Know Im not suggesting anything..

what I am saying is no matter how impressive it is

(*and persnally I believe most IS ligit....but there will always be a % of doubt because of available tech to create this stuff)

I quote from the magnanamous Condon report when they were finally face to face with a cast-iron UFO incident

it went something like this....

"...what we have here is an event that must be a natural occurrence of nature.....but one so unusual that it has not been observed before or since"

Ha ha ha ha and ha :)

[KIWI]

hey- hold on there, moon boy. chorlton (that pig sucking limy piece of shit) and i disagree 100% on the reality of ET. so there. and don't make me ask the badge to repair the duct tape. bastard.

hey dood :)

The Dolan link?

quick as ya like

[boycotteverything]

here's one

http://amkon.net/ricard-dolan-t23684.html?p=297236&highlight=dolan#post297236

here's another

http://amkon.net/richard-dolan-pasted-this-t23858.html?t=23858&highlight=dolan

and here's where we're at-


Reposted here from Ufer threads since Philosophy has no thread of its own:

The 'what the fuck was that?' question is the operative general question. Three question follow by logical extension and form the impetus for the entire field of speculation.

1. Where do they come from?
2. How did they get here? and-
3. What do they want?

The entirety of the vast body of Ufer literature is devoted- depending on the relative ambition of the author- to answering one or more of those three questions. It's interesting that those very same queries also form the basis of all Philosophical, Metaphysical and Scientific investigation regarding the nature of existence per se.

Drake's Equation and Fermi's paradox are typical of the concomitant blending of the fields. Both beg the largest of questions and demonstrate the futility of scientific method regarding a cohesive theory- the answer to the questions they pose. And why? Because both are based in presuppositions that are themselves unproven. It's the nature of presuppositions to be assumptions derived from anecdotal data. That's actually the contradiction that lies at the heart of all Ontological hypothesis and it necessarily substitutes 'belief' for 'proof' as the foundation of Theory. Such is the nature of human endeavor to provide a proof of any existents beyond the brackets of Logic and is the reason that rationalists insist that logic does not apply to the 'real world' except by the (tenuous) extrapolation of analogy.

So this is the Epistemological dilemma in a nutshell: Every speculation concerning existence is ultimately founded in nothing more 'proven' than a leap of faith. Why should the study of Ufology escape conformity to this universal conundrum?

Does all of this mean that, despite the contradictions and the futility, that the questions ought not be even asked in the first place? Certainly there are those who would say precisely that- that adherence to rational skepticism precludes flights of imaginative speculation. I'm not among them for one simple reason- a simple choice, really- a choice to be curious about the mind of God.

[century]

Q2DVeil21gc

Pfft, just ice crystals ............right Trauma

Get the fuck outta here

[Trauma Teased]

Pfft, just ice crystals ............right Trauma

Get the fuck outta here

Yes, ice crystals. And the "bokeh" effect. Educate yourself.

[Jackinthebox]

I think there are farts on the Moon that have spiraled the rocky body for decades.

[boycotteverything]

left over from the lactose intolerant fuckers who towed it here from Sirius, lo those many eons ago.

[century]

Yes, ice crystals. And the "bokeh" effect. Educate yourself.


You can clearly see the objects go behind the teather

They are also pulsating

OW78l1tOj14

[Trauma Teased]

You can clearly see the objects go behind the tether

They are also pulsating



They seem to be pulsating because they are ice crystals tumbling and turning and therefore the light reflection from them changes in angle and strenght.

The objects also seem to go behind the tether is because the light reflection from the solid teather (which the camera is focusing on) is stronger than what the camera can register from the out of focus ice crystals. The light from the teather itself "washes out" the much fainter light from the ice crystals.

The camera on the space shuttle was part of a CCTV system, you can read about it in a shuttle press kit here if you want to (pdf document):
http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/scom/23.pdf

Here is another interesting video, this was also taken with a CCTV camera, and look what the camera does to this point of light in the sky, perhaps a star, the front light on an approaching plane, or a chinese lantern, whatever. See anything familiar from around 0:40?

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[Raptor Jesus]

left over from the lactose intolerant fuckers who towed it here from Sirius, lo those many eons ago.

Are you joking here BE or do you consider that a serious possibility?

[Trauma Teased]

Are you joking here BE or do you consider that a serious possibility?

Joking, Triangle. BE is a lot of things, but he is not insane.

But BE should go ahead and post that one on OM, SHTF or GLP anyway, just to see how many people who would take it very, very seriously...

[Lexion]

Look, I've already explained
the Moon thing.

It was towed into orbit.

This caused massive tidal
flooding, which we find
recorded by ancient civilisations.

Then the Anunnaki went back
to Nibiru.

[cartoon]

and on the seventh day we had lunch

[century]

This was also taken with a CCTV cameraHow can you tell?


The objects also seem to go behind the teather is because the light reflection from the solid teather (which the camera is focusing on) is stronger than what the camera can register from the out of focus ice crystals. The light from the teather itself "washes out" the much fainter light from the ice crystals.
The tether wasn't thick enough to reflect light from 77 nautical miles, its not reflecting light its emitting energy.


Cog care to educate me?

[Cogburn]

Cog care to educate me?

Not worth my time as you wouldn't believe me, anyway.

[century]

Come on............is your answer the same as traumas?

[century]

the "bokeh" effect

[Cogburn]

the "bokeh" effect

Yup, but there's more to it than just saying that, obviously.

[KIWI]

the "bokeh" effect

gettin a little 1 dimensional, fuck boken ass Bokeh......big deal, whoppee, and yay

[KIWI]

not pokin at you cent :)

[KIWI]

nor you coggles :P

[century]

Aristarchus Crater
Electric Blue Gem or Fusion Reactor?



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Aristarcus/Aristarcus_MA_03.pnghttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Aristarcus/Aristarchus_Sir_Patrick_01.pnghttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Aristarcus/PIA00404_Aristarchus.jpghttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Aristarcus/PIA00405_Aristarchus.jpg

Report Nov 2-3, 1958
"On the night of November 2-3, 1958, Russian astronomer Nikolai A. Kozyrev witnessed a strange phenomenon while making spectrograms of the crater Alphonsus with the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory's 50-inch reflector. As he watched through the telescope's guiding eyepiece, he saw the crater's central peak blur and turn an unusual reddish color. The spectrograms confirmed his visual impressions of a volcanic event; they showed an emission spectrum of carbon vapor (S&T:February, 1959, page 184).. Kozyrev has recorded via spectrograms numerous incidents of red transient lunar phenomena, particularly in the 80 mile wide crater known as Alphonsus. It was at this location in 1965 that the final Ranger probe 9 crash landed. Aristarchus is not only one of the brightest formations on the moon, it is responsible for more than half the number of reported TLP and has been a proven source for gaseous emissions - Farshores.org (http://farshores.org/tlp.htm)
Reports 1650 to 1950
NASA Technical Report TR R-277. was published in July 1968 as a Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events
1650 Aristarchus "Red Hill." Mons Porphyrites Hevelius B.A.A. Lunar Sec. Circa. 1967, 2, No 8
1784 Aristarchus Nebulous bright spot of light Schroter Schroter 1791
1785 Aristarchus Nebulous bright spot of light Schroter Schroter 1791
1786 Dec 24 Aristarchus Extraordinarily bright Schroter Schroter 1791
1787 May 19-20 Aristarchus Extraordinarily bright von Bruhl Bode 1790; Schroter 1791; Herschel 1912
1788 Apr 9 Aristarchus; 1 hr Extraordinarily bright Bode Bode 1792b
1788 Apr 9-11 Aristarchus Bright spot 26" N of crater rim Schroter, Bode Schroter 1789, 1791, 1792a, 1792b
1788 Sep 26 Near Aristarchus; 30 min Bright spot 26" N of main crater Schroter Rozier 1788, 1792; Schroter 1791
1788 Dec 2, 5:35 am Aristarchus Extraordinarily bright, like star Schroter Schroter 1791
1824 May 1 Near Aristarchus Blinking light, 9th to 10th mag.. on dark side Gobel Gobel 1826
1824 Oct 18 Aristarchus, vicinity Mingling of all kinds of colors in small spots in the W and NW of Aristarchus Gruithuisen Gruithuisen 1824; Fauth 1899
1825 Apr 22 Aristarchus and vicinity Periodic illumination Argelander, Gobel Argelander 1826, Gobel 1826
1866 Jun 10 Aristarchus Star like light Tempel Denning, Tel.Work p.121
1866 Jun 14-16 Aristarchus, vicinity Reddish yellow Tempel Tempel 1867
1866 Dark side Bright spots Hodgson Hodgson 1866
1867 Apr 9, 19h30m - 21h00m Aristarchus, vicinity; 1 hr 30 min Bright spot on dark side, 7th mag., becoming fainter after 20h15m UT Elger Elger 1868
1867 Apr 12, 07h30m - 08h30m Aristarchus, vicinity; 1 hr Bright spot on dark side, 7th mag.. Elger Webb 1962
1867 May 6-7 Aristarchus; at least several hours each night Left side of crater, very bright luminous point, appearing like a volcano Flammarion Flammarion 1884
1867 May 7 Aristarchus, vicinity Reddish yellow, beacon like light Tempel Tempel 1867; Astr. Reg. 1868
1884 Nov 29, 19h00m - 21h00m Aristarchus; 2 hr Nebulous at center; elsewhere features well defined Hislop Sirius 1885
1889 Jul 12, ~20h52m Aristarchus During lunar eclipse, brilliance in surrounding gloom was striking Krueger Krueger 1889; Fisher 1924
1891 May 23, ~18h20m Aristarchus region Lunar eclipse, half hour before end of totality, Aristarchus and region immediately N of it became conspicuous and increased in brightness from that time on W.E. Jackson Jackson 1890-91; Fisher 1924
1931 Aristarchus Bluish glare Goodacre, Molesworth Goodacre 1931
1949 Oct 7, ~02h54m Aristarchus Abnormally bright during lunar eclipse G.Brown, Hare Contrib. by Moore
1949 Nov 3, 01h06m Aristarchus Blue glare, base inner W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jun 27, 02h30m Aristarchus Blue glare, base inner W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jun 27 Herodotus Bright point in crater Bartlett Strol. Astr. 1962
1950 Jun 28, 03h27m Aristarchus Blue glare, rim of W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jun 29, 05h30m Aristarchus Strong bluish glare; E, SE wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jul 26, 02h52m Aristarchus Blue glare, base inner W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jul 31, 04h50m Aristarchus Violet glare, E, NE rim Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Aug 28, 04h25m Aristarchus Intense blue violet glare; E wall bright spot, E, NE rim Bartlett Bartlett 1967
Author(s): Cameron, W. S.
Abstract: This catalog lists 1468 descriptions of observed lunar transient phenomena reported in the literature.
NASA Center: Goddard Space Flight Center
Publication Year: 1978
Added to NTRS: 2005-08-25
Accession Number: 78N30157; Document ID: 19780022214;
Report Number: NASA-TM-79399, NSSDC WDC-A-R S-78-03


NASA Lunar transient phenomena catalog (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?Ne=26&N=4294885312+269&Ns=PublicationYear%7C0)
The living Moon (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_02.html)

[KIWI]

Originally was published on http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/Astronomers.htm





'Strides in new knowledge are taken slowly,


usually against the will of the currently knowledgeable.'





Philip Wylie




November 17th, 1623: 'A burning globe appeared at sunset - on 17 November 1623. It was visible in different places all over Germany. In Austria, it is affirmed a sound of cracking or crushing came from it, as if from a thunderbolt, which, however, I take to be groundless.' Johannes Kepler (http://www.connect.net/ron/kepler.html)

March 21st, 1676: The Italian, Geminiano Montanari, was knowledgeable in geophysics,biology, mathematics, ballistics, and meteorology; but his greatest achievements are considered to have been in astronomy. He reported this sighting to Edmund Halley, who commented - 'I find it one of the hardest things to account for, that I have ever yet met.'..... 'It appeared one and three quarter hours after sunset, coming over the Adriatic from Dalmatia. It crossed over all Italy, at a height of some 40 miles, and hissed as it passed, over Ronzare. It passed over the sea from Leghorn to Corsica, with a sound like the rattling of a great cart over stones. I compute that it travelled 160 miles a minute. It seemed to be a vast body apparently bigger than the moon!' (FSOM/DSB)

May 1677: '..the famous astronomer, Edmund Halley (http://library.thinkquest.org/23830/halley.htm)Savilian professor of geometry at Oxford University, reported seeing a "great light in the sky all over Southern England, many miles high."'

July 31st, 1708: '..from 9 to 10 p.m., a similar apparition, thought to be 50 miles high, passed over Sheerness, and the 'Buoy at the Nore,' Suffolk, and London. It moved "with incredible speed, and was very bright. It seemed to vanish and left a pale white light behind it. There were no hissing sounds and no explosion."' (FSOM)

1715: Unusual phenomena were observed on the Moon, at the time of the solar eclipse, by Edmund Halley and J.E.de Louville - '..as it were a sort of flash or momentary vibrations of beams of light, as though someone were setting fire to gunpowder trails as used in mining. These bright flashes were very brief in duration and appeared now here, now there, but always in the shade.' (FSR 41-2)

March 6th, 1716: Halley saw an object illuminating the sky for more than two hours from about 7:00 p.m. onwards: 'A man could easily read print in the light thrown out by these spears from the same body. It did not change for two hours, and then it seemed as if new fuel had been cast on a fire.' / Similar phenomena were reported to Halley by other astronomers of his time, notably by astronomers Gottfried Kirch and Schlazius, at Leipzig, Germany re. an event on July 9th, 1686 and by Montanari an Italian mathematician and astronomer regarding a sighting on March 21st, 1676

March 17th, 1735 'A strange apparition of "an uncommon bright glade of light" was seen from the top of his house in Buckingham Street, off the Strand, London, by John Bevis, at 8.05 pm, when he was observing Mars, in the west: "It was quite unlike the Aurora Borealis, being steady and not tremulous in motion. The stars could be seen through it. It was not a comet; for I could see no nucleus through my 17-foot optical glass. It gre dim in the middle in half an hour, and then seemed to split into two very luminous parts, which grew dimmer till about 9." (FSOM)

August 9th, 1762: Two Swiss astronomers saw an object in front of the sun. They were De Rostan in Basle and Croste in Sole. Article in 18th Century Sightings (http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/18C.htm)

May 1764: Astronomer Hoffman saw a large round spot traverse the sun from north to south. (MHervey)

June 17th, 1777: Charles Messier, famous for his nebula catalogue observed a large number of dark spots in the skies, disc shaped, which were unknown to him. In his log book he wrote - 'They were large and swift and they were ships, yet like bells.'

August 18th, 1783: Tiberius Cavallo (http://www.npg.org.uk/room13.htm), Italian chemist, inventor and writer on natural philosophy - a fellow of the Royal Society, saw at Windsor Castle what he termed a 'most extraordinary meteor...North-east of the Terrace, in clear sky and warm weather, I saw appear suddenly an oblong cloud nearly parallel to the horizon. Below the cloud was seen a luminous body... It soon became a roundish body, brightly lit up and almost stationary. It was about 9.25 p.m. This strange ball at first appeared bluish and faint, but its light increased, and it soon began to move. At first, it ascended above the horizon, obliquely towards the east. Then it changed its direction and moved parallel to the horizon. It vanished in the SE. I saw it for half a minute, and the light it gave out was prodigious. It lit up every object on the face of the country. It changed shape to oblong, acquired a tail, and seemed to split up into two bodies of small size. About two minutes later came a rumble like an explosion.' Article in 18th Century Sightings (http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/18C.htm). Cavallo's book 'The History and Practice of Aerostation' was published, in London, two year later. He was buried in 1809 in St.Pancras Churchyard (http://irwell.mimas.ac.uk/~zzaascs/pan_pamph.html) (FSOM)


Also on August 30th an object was observed at Greenwich Observatory from which eight objects emerged, described as satellites. / Other reports by scientists named by Wilkins on the following dates: March 19, 1718 at Oxford, December 5th, 1737 and December 16th, 1742 - both in London.

William Herschel on Mars - '..From other phenomena it appears, however, that this planet is not without a considerable atmosphere; for, besides the permanent spots on its surface, I have often noticed occasional changes of partial bright belts.. and also a darkish one, in a pretty high latitude.. And these alterations we can hardly ascribe to any other cause than the variable disposition of clouds and vapours floating in the atmosphere of that planet.[Result of the contents of this paper] ...And that planet has a considerable but moderate atmosphere, so that its inhabitants probably enjoy a situation in many respects similar to ours.

Datchet, Dec.1, 1783. W.HERSCHEL' [On the remarkable Appearances at the Polar Regions of the Planet Mars, the Inclination of its Axis, the Position of its Poles, and its Spheroidal Figure; with a few Hints relating to its real Diameter and Atmosphere. By William Herschel, Esq. F.R.S.]

October 22nd, 1790: 'The famous astronomer, Frederick William Herschel, who discovered the planet Uranus and its satellites and the satellites of Saturn, was looking through a 20-foot reflector telescope.. when he saw, in time of total eclipse of the moon, many bright and luminous points, small and round. But "the brightness of the moon, notwithstanding the fact that it was in eclipse", did not permit him to view the phenomenon long enough to locate these points on the lunar surface. / He wrote to the Royal Society - "We know too little of the surface of the moon to venture a surmise of the cause and remarkable colour of these points."' [Article in 18th Century Sightings (http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/18C.htm). Previous sightings of lights on or near the moon were made by Herschel in 1783 and 1787. (FSOM)]

May 1799: A luminous spot was seen moving across the disc of Mercury by Johann Schroeter, his assistant K.L.Harding at Lilienthal observatory , and other observers- 'In the transit of 1799.. Schroter and Harding at Lilienthal, and Kohler at Dresden, saw a small luminous spot on the dark disk. The spot was not stationary, for Harding saw it change its position, and later in the day Schroter saw it sometimes on one part of the disk, sometimes on another. Others saw, not one, but two small spots of a greyish colour.' (Monthly Notices 38, 1878/MU)

]February 7th, 1802: An unknown body ['dark disc' DL]was seen crossing the sun by the Astronomer Fritsch, at Magdeburg, in central Germany. (NL)

October 10th 1802: An unknown dark body was seen by Herr Fritsch rapidly crossing the sun. (NL)

January 16th 1818: A Mr.Capel Lofft, astronomer of Ipswich, England, observed a strange object near the sun. It was visible for three hours and a half. (DL/NL)

June 26th, 1819: Three dark bodies crossed the sun together, observed by astronomer Franz Gruithuisen. (NL) Pastorff saw something near the sun, which he had thought was a comet; but could not have been, according to Olbers. (NL)

September 7th, 1820: Francis Arago (http://www.ippi.com/dir_idb/aos_aenoy.html), the famous French Physicist/Astronomer describes observations that day during the eclipse, at Embrun, of objects moving across the sky in a nearly military precision. He mentions also that a number of other scientists have seen similar events.

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February, 1821: [/FONT][/B]A bright point of light, like a star, was seen on the Moon, in the crater Aristarchus - on the 4th & 7th of February, by Capt.Kater; on the 5th, by Dr.Olbers. Star-like lights on the moon also observed that year in May and November. (NL)

October 23rd 1822: Astronomer Pastorff (http://www.ofcn.org/cyber.serv/resource/bookshelf/moon10/seq/chapter13.html) observes two unknown objects cross the sun's disc. (DL)

May 22nd 1823: Astronomer named Webb sees bright shining thing near Venus. (DL)

October 18th, 1824: 'At five o'clock, morning.. a light was seen upon the dark part of the moon, by Gruithuisen. It disappeared. Six minutes later it appeared again, disappeared again, and then flashed intermittently, from 5:30 A.M., until sunrise ended the observations.' (NL)

January 22nd, 1825: A star-like light was again observed in Aristarchus, on the Moon; reported by Rev.J.B.Emmett. (NL)February 13th, 1826: Gruithuisen reported that on this date, two straight lines of light, with, between them a dark band that was covered with luminous points, was observed in the western crater of Messier.(NL)

July 31st 1826: Unknown object seen by astronomers. (DL)

May 26th 1828: Disc crossing the sun, seen through telescope (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/observatory.html). (DL)

September 6th to November 1st, 1831: At Geneva Observatory (http://obswww.unige.ch/) the Swiss astronomer Dr.Wartmann and his staff saw a strange luminous body practically every night. / In the years following there were reports by Pastorff (1834, 1836, 1837), Cacciatore (1835), De Vico (1837), De Cuppis (1837), and Glaisher (1844).

July 4th, 1832: W.L.Webb saw 'a brilliant display of minute dots and streaks of light, in the Mare Crisium..' on the Moon. (NL)

December 22nd, 1835: Another star-like light in the crater Aristarchus - reported by Francis Bailey. (NL)

May 15th, 1836: At Havana, Professor Auber saw many luminous bodies that seemed to move out from the sun, in diverse directions. (BoD)

1844: James Glaisher reported shining discs "which sent out quickly flickering waves of light." (UFOsTSH)

May 11th-13th, 1845: 'Erman sends me a report of Capocci about bodies, which he has seen pass in front of the sun on 11 to 13 May... he has also seen bodies of indeterminate shape like shadows pass, and for this reason the idea occurred to him that there could be nearer bodies and therefore that one must pull out the eyepiece further in order to see them clearly. In fact, when he pulled out the eyepiece 1 to 2 centimeters, he saw these bodies pass by with a very definite outline. They had irregular shapes. A few went quickly like shooting stars, others remained visible 2 to 3 seconds and so on.' (Letter from astronomer Heinrich Schumacher to mathematician Carl Gauss, Sept.18 1845)... ...G.A.Erman (1806-1877) worked chiefly in terrestrial magnetism and related fields, and also undertook many expeditions. His father-in-law was Bessel... Ernesto Capocci (de Belmonte) (1798-1864) was the first astronomer at the Capidomente observatory in Naples, remaining there until 1848. (I.Grattan-Guinness, FSR 23-2) 'Italian astronomer working at Capodimonte Observatory, Naples saw a number of shining discs, some star-shaped, others sporting a tail-like appendage. He considered them of smallish size. / Further reports in the following years came from Schmidt (1847), Brown and Sidebotham (1849) and Inglis in Switzerland in the same year.'

March 18th & 19th, 1847: Large luminous spots seen upon the dark side of the moon, and a general glow upon the upper limb, by Rev.T.Rankin and Prof.Chevaillier. (NL)

Summer 1847: Benjamin Scott and his five-year-old son both observed, through a telescope, a body that seemed to be the size of Venus crossing the sun. (BoD)

December 11th & 12th, 1847: A bright light that flashed intermittently, was seen on the dark side of the moon, by Hodgson. (NL)

September 11th, 1852: A bright shining disc was visible to people in Staffordshire between 4.15 and 4.45 p.m. Lord Wrottesley, who had an observatory at Wolverhampton, said it seemed relatively near the Moon. Others said near Venus. (FSOM)

June 11th, 1855: Astronomers, Ritter and Schmidt saw with their naked eyes a darkish body, unexplainable to both of them.

March 26th, 1859: Dr.Lescarbault, a French amateur astronomer, observed a body of planetary size cross the sun. Later given the name 'Vulcan' by Urbain Leverrier, who had become aware of five other seperate observations. (BoD)

September 1st, 1859: Richard Carrington, oberving through his telescope at Redhill Observatory in Surrey saw two luminous bodies, certainly not meteors.

April 1860: '..4 leading astronomers, Herrick, Buys-Barlott and de Cuppis of Great Britain, together with their Swiss colleague Dr.Wolf, watched from the Zurich Observatory as "a large number of small black discs which came from the east flew past." ' (UFOsTSH)

October 1862: 'Lockyer saw a spot like a long train of clouds on Mars, and several days later Secchi saw a spot on Mars..' (NL)

April 27th, 1863: Henry Waldner, a German astronomer, saw at Weinheim Observatory that day a great number of small luminous bodies travelling at great speed. He notified Johann Wolf (professor of astronomy since 1855 at the Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule and the University at Zurich, Switzerland. And through whose efforts an observatory was constructed in that city, in 1864). Dr.Wolf was convinced of the reality of the phenomenon, and told Mr.Waldner of the similar sighting by Sig. Capocci, 18 years earlier. (BoD/DSB)

October 19th, 1863: Astronomer Schmidt saw '..a bolide that was following an exceptionally slow course. He was able to study it through a comet searcher and stated that it was a double object.' (compare to Jan.3rd 1898 sighting)

March 8th, 1865: M.Coumbary, an amateur astronomer of Constantinople, saw '..a black point, sharply outlined, traverse the disk of the sun. It detached itself from a group of sunspots near the limb of the sun, and took 48 minutes to reach the other limb..' (BoD)

August 10th, 1865: An astronomer named Ingall spotted 'a most minute point of light glittering like a star' on the moon, just west of Picard. (Astr.Register, 3-189/UFORup, 2-44)

September 5th, 1865: Ingall again reported '..a conspicuous bright spot west of Picard.' Astr.Reg., 3-252/Fort/UFORup, 2-44)

April 9th, 1867: 'Thos G.Elger reported to the Astronomical Register, that, in the English sky, he saw a dark part of the moon suddenly flame out with a light like a star of 7th magnitude. This was at 7.30 p.m. At 9.30 p.m., it faded out. "I have seen lights on the moon before, but never so clear as this." ' Various other observations of anomalous features on the moon also detailed. (FSOM)

May 30th, 1867: Bird, a British astronomer observing Venus, saw a number of objects similar to Capocci and Waldner.

1867: Professor Eduard Heis saw a dark object slowly traverse eleven degrees of arc of the Milky Way. (BoD)

June 8th, 1868: A number of British astronomers at Oxford's Radcliffe Observatory saw a luminous object moving quickly across the sky, stopping and changing its course at least three times.

August 7th, 1869: Observing a total solar eclipse at Iowa Observatory Professor Zentmayer and Prof.Coffin saw a number of objects moving nearly parallel across the sky. Also Prof.Himes of this observatory when called observed some of them. They were unexplainable to all three astronomers.

October 17th & 18th, 1869: A keen amateur astronomer, Lieutenant Herschel while observing the sun saw, from noon on the 17th until about 7 a.m. on the 18th numerous dark shadows crossing the sun, and also luminous streaks going across the sky near the sun. They were nearly a continuous stream and all explanations could not solve these sightings. Some objects stopped and hovered before flying fast away.

May 13th, 1870: Multiple lights (4, 27, 28) observed from England in the lunar crater Plato - '..it was observed that, as one of these lights.. increased in brightness, another diminished. Then another light alternately shone and faded out...' (FSOM)

October 12th, 1870: 'The astronomer William F.Dennis saw at Bristol a luminous ball travelling faster than a balloon but slower than a meteor, and emitting sparks. The same object, or one quite similar, was seen at Wimbledon by a member of the Royal Society of Astronomy.' (Michel)

August 1st, 1871: A French astronomer, E.A.Coggia, known for cometary discoveries, saw, in Marseilles, an object slowly moving across the sky, he was unable to explain. According to his description, it appeared at 10:43 pm, and was a magnificent red object moving slowly eastward. At 10:52:30 pm it stopped, and then moved northward, until stopping again after a further seven minutes. Its next movement was once again towards the east, finally disappearing, or falling behind the horizon at 11:03:20 pm. (NL)

August 29th, 1871(?): Another leading French astronomer, Etienne Trouvelot, saw a great number of seemingly opaque bodies crossing the sun, and similar sightings for some days until September 1st, 1871.

June 17th, 1873: Dr.Sage, whilst watching the planet Mars, from Rybnik, Upper Silesia, saw a large object 'apparently issue' at incredible speed from the planet, and seemingly explode on reaching Earth's atmosphere. There were other witnesses reported on by a Dr.Galle. (NL)1873:[/B][FONT=Arial] '..the royal British Society of Astronomy reported that for many months, flashing lights had been seen on the moon, which they took to be intelligent attempts by an unknown race from the moon to establish contact..' (UFOsTSH)

April 24th, 1874: Prof. Schaffarik of Prague Observatory (http://otokar.troja.mff.cuni.cz/RELATGRP/Rudolf.htm) saw an unidentified object crossing the moon. He reported that it was '..of such a strange nature that I do not know what to make of it. It was bright white and moved slowly across the face of the moon. I saw it even after it had left the disc of the moon. In other words, the object was no part of the moon because it left the moon behind and wandered out into space. What else can it be other than a flying machine?' (UFOsTSH)

December 1875-January 22nd, 1876: Rio De Janeiro Observatory reported '..a vast number of bodies crossing the sun, some of them luminous and some of them dark..' (BoD)

February 20th, 1877: That night, Etienne Trouvelot, French-born astronomer/scientist, resident in the U.S., saw a fine luminous line, like a luminous cable drawn across the lunar crater Eudoxus. (FSOM)

March 21st, 1877: An astronomer in England reported having seen a brilliant light in the lunar crater Proclus, which was not the reflection of the sun's light. / That month, another bright spot was observed in or near the lunar crater Picard. (FSOM)

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November 23rd, 1877: Dr.Klein reported to L'Astronomie - 'I saw a luminous triangle on the floor of the lunar crater, Plato. It may have been reflected sunlight.' On this same night, observers in USA saw flakes of light moving from all other lunar craters towards the crater Plato. They formed into a triangle on the floor of Plato. (FSOM)

July 29th, 1878: Reports from both Professor James Watson (from Wyoming) and Professor Lewis Swift (from Colorado) that they had seen two shining objects at a considerable distance from the sun, during the time of the total eclipse. (BoD)

April 12th-13th, 1879: A large luminous body, certainly not a comet, was seen by Mr.Henry Harrison, and a friend. (NYTribune/Scientific American 40, 1879/MU)

January 23rd, 1880: 'Something like another luminous cable, or like a shining wall' was observed in the lunar crater Aristarchus by Etienne Trouvelot. (NL)

August 25th, 1880: Marcel A.Trecul, a member of the French Academy reported that day an extremely bright yellowish-white, torpedo-shaped or cylindrical object "with slightly conical ends," and of small size. It dropped something that fell straight down, and then, itself, disappeared into the clouds. (BoD)

November 30th, 1880 (?): Ricco, an Italian astronomer, saw at Palermo Observatory (http://www.astropa.unipa.it/HISTORY/history.htm) while watching the sun a number of objects crossing its surface. (date uncertain - see Nov.30 1888)

January 13th, 1881: A light was seen in Marius, on the moon, by A.Stanley Williams, the astronomer. (FSR 3-4/English Mechanic)

May 4th, 1881: Trouvelot observed an unexplained light in the lunar crater Eudoxus. (NL)

September 27th, 1881: Colonel Markwick, in South Africa, saw an object moving rapidly near the moon. (FSR 3-4/Journal of Liverpool Astronomical Society)

July 6th, 1882: '..report by an astronomer, N.S.Drayton, upon an object duration of which seemed to him extraordinary, duration three-quarters of a minute, Jersey City..' (BoD)

November 15th, 1882: This letter was printed in The Times, November 20th, 1882. 'Sir,-It may be of some interest to your many scientific readers, to know that at the present moment there is an enormous spot on the sun's disc, not only unusually large, but making also very rapid transformations of shape. To those who have powerful telescopes these changes are of exceeding interest. I have not noticed so large a spot for many years. / The general contour of the "penumbra" is nearly circular and measures 56,037 miles in its longer axis and 51,106 miles in its shorter axis. The "umbra" is of an extraordinary shape from its numerous ramifications. The greatest length of this is 39,266 miles and its greatest breadth 23,052 miles. / The telescope used in these measurements was an eight and a half inch equatorial, by Messrs. Cooke and Sons, York. / I beg to remain, Sir, yours obediently, FREDERICK BRODIE, F.R.A.S. Observatory Fernhill, Wootton-bridge, Isle of Wight...'

November 17th, 1882: E.W.Maunder, Superintendent at the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, and others, saw a greenish object, torpedo-shaped and luminous. He definitely did not link it to an auroral display and after seeing zeppelins in the First World War, he linked it in shape to these airships.

February 23rd, 1883: Camille Flammarion, who is still very well-known in our day and one of the most known astronomical writers of all times, saw an object remaining stationary for some time, he could not link to anything known to him. He saw also at other times objects similar to this one: he even named them Bradytes.

April 15th & 25th, 1883: At Marseilles, Monsieur Bruguiere observed bodies crossing the sun that were 'irregular in form. Some of them moved as if in alignment.' (BoD)

August 12th, 1883: Bonilla, director of Zacatecas (http://tourbymexico.com/zaca/zaca/zaca.htm) Observatory, Mexico saw whilst observing sun-spots, not less than 283 bodies crossing the sun. He admits the count was only approximate, as many appeared at the same time. Photos taken are still in existence - the earliest known UFO photos. Some objects were also seen the following day. (UFOsTSH)

February 5th, 1884: 'Mr.Lopez Morales, Director of the Meteorological Observatory of Almeria (Spain): On some luminous red points observed on the Moon. On the subject of an analogous observation by Mr.Jose Braziliano de Souza (Brazil), the writer recalls an observation of 5 february 1884: at 2 o'clock in the morning, a portion of the lunar cirque in the form of a crescent appeared luminous in the walls of the crater Kepler, near to Encke, the convexity directed to the South-East.' (Societe Astronomique de France, Seance du 5 mars 1890)

February 7th, 1884: Astronomers at Brussels Observatory, Belgium did notice from that day until Feb.16th, an extremely bright spot on the planet Venus, which moved away from it on the 16th February.

September 16th, 1884: Professor Haywood of Otterbein College, Westerville, Ohio, USA, reported that between 3.30 and 4a.m., he had observed a bright glow covering the dark part of the Moon. Though considered by him to be an electrical manifestation - it was too bright to be earth shine and obscured the features of the surface of the Moon - he admitted 'This latter fact is puzzling and unsatisfactory.'

February 21st & 22nd, 1885: '..Lorenzo Kropp, an astronomer of Paysandu, Uraguay, writes that, upon Feb. 21, 1885, he had seen, in Cassini, a formation not far from Hercules, both of them in the northwestern quadrant of the moon, a reddish smoke or mist. he had heard that several other persons had seen, not a misty appearance, but a star-like light here, and upon the 22nd he had seen a definite light, himself, shining like the planet Saturn.' (NL)

August 22nd, 1885: Two amateur astronomers, Reveillere and Guiberteau witnessed at Saigon a phenomenon lasting about eight minutes, an object crossing from south to southeast, red in colour, certainly much slower than a meteor.

November 1st, 1885: A Turkish amateur astronomer, Mavrogordato, reported an elongated object, very luminous, near Adrianapole, 4-5 times larger than the full moon. The time was about 9:30 p.m. Another report on the next day near Skutari, Albania, forwarded through the same astronomer, described a blueish-greenish object, making a series of turns before falling into the sea after 90 seconds.

May 11th, 1886: Marseilles, France; 8pm. From sighting report by A.Fauchier - '..observing the Moon.. my attention was drawn to two points reflecting an extraordinarily brilliant light and of a kind that I had never seen there before that day and that I have never seen again since; this light was iridescent and surpassed by several times in brightness the most luminous parts of this heavenly body seen in the same light conditions in other instances...' These anomalous lights were witnessed at the south of Plato. (L'Astronomie 6) Complete report is in 19th Century sightings (http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/19C.htm)

1886: Dr.Max Wolf saw something obscure a star for three and a half seconds. (BoD)[/COLOR]
[B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#000000]November 30th, 1888(?): Palermo, Italy. Senor Ricci of the Palermo observatory saw "a number of spindle-shaped flying objects crossing the sun's disc at a great height." (UFOsTSH - date uncertain, see Nov.30, 1880)

October 27th, 1890: From the Observatory at Grahamstown, South Africa, Eddie watched a comet-like body, that moved one hundred degrees during the three-quarters of an hour period of observation. John Dreyer at Armagh Observatory read of this sighting, and reported a similar observation (as did others). (BoD)

April 4th, 1892: A Dutch astronomer, Muller saw a large black disc slowly crossing the moon, unexplainable to him.

August 13th, 1892: Professor Barnard reported seeing an unknown object close to Venus. (FSOM)

March 7th, 1893: The French astronomer Raymond Coulon saw at Val de la Haye Observatory, France, a clearly defined object, looking like an elongated pear, of an iridescent and luminous nature. He could not explain it.

November 25th, 1894: 'A light-reflecting body, or a bright spot near Mars - seen..by Prof.William Pickering and A.E.Douglass, at the Lowell Observatory, above an unilluminated part of Mars - self-luminous, it would seem - thought to have been a cloud - but estimated to have been about twenty miles away from the planet.' (BoD)

August 11th, 1895: 'Remarkable Bolide. -- I was the witness Sunday 11 August, at 9 in the evening, to a curious phenomenon. A bolide traversed the sky in a west to south direction between Ophiuchus and the Scorpion. At the altitude of Ed Ophiuchus, the meteor split in two, and formed two glowing nucleii about 1 deg. distant from each other, and connected by a luminous trail. In that manner, the two bolides followed the same trajectory and lost themselves in the misty horizon. CHATELET, at Avignon.' (L'Astronomie vol.9)

September 16th, 1895: 'Celestial Phenomenon. -- Today, 16 September, at the time when a very clear sky adorned the town of Saint-Helier, I was watching, at 9.14 in the evening, from the window of my hotel, the giant constellation of Cygnus, which was at the time situated around the zenith altitude, when a sheet of intense and blinding light ran across the sky from North to South with breathtaking speed. As a passenger on board the steamer Le Honfleur, I was stunned during the crossing, by the exceptional clearness of the firmament, made altogether more strange by a vaporous mist spreading out over the whole of the sea. Several people that I spoke to about this unknown light affirmed to me that they had likewise seen it and that it was not an electric light. PAUL ROULAND, at Saint-Helier. Island of Jersey, September 1895.' (L'Astr. v9)

December 1895: Muller, of Nymegen, Holland saw a luminous object near Venus.

July 31st, 1896: At Smith Observatory, U.S.A., astronomers noticed a dark circular disc-shaped object going across the moon's surface very quickly, timed at about four seconds, which should prove its closeness to Earth. / Coming back to the moon and various observations of lights, etc., in England in the Seventies or so of the 19th century, an astronomer, Birt, deposited at the Royal Astronomical Society over 1500 observations of lights, moving objects and changes of brightness, mostly in the crater Plato, which is, with its about 60 miles diameter quite a prominent feature of the moon.

September 20th/21st, 1896 Echo Mountain, California, USA; evening. Dr.L.Swift observed a 'luminous object' about one degree above the sun - '..Going out on the veranda, the object was seen more distinctly. At first it occurred to me that it might be a small fire on the mountain, but this idea was quickly dispelled, as one-half of the sun's disk was still above the mountain, and the object still higher. Seizing an opera glass I saw that it had a very much fainter companion some 30' north, but it could not be seen without the glass. In about four minutes after the sun had set the two objects also disappeared behind the mountain. / Both objects were seen by some fifteen people... Last evening I began a search with the comet-seeker with the sun 10[degree sign] in altitude, but nothing was seen until fully one half of the sun had disappeared when I caught sight of it, but its faintness surprised me, for it was less bright through the telescope than with the naked eye the previous evening... / I only saw it for 5 seconds... I estimate that the object disappeared simultaneously with the sun's upper limb. / The only thing that perplexes me about this strange affair is, that the sun, object, and companion, were not in line, but must have deviated from it by 30 [degrees] or more.' (The Astronomical Journal XVII)

January 3rd, 1898: At 8.40pm, a Monsieur Georget observed something unusual in the sky while returning home - '..I saw in the northeast, at an elevation of 30-40 degrees, a luminous meteor, fairly bright, having the the same colour as the planet Mars, travelling at a relatively slow rate through the sky. It went away toward

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the north and disappeared at the horizon at a point that formed an alignment with the satrs Zeta and Eta Ursae Majris, behind the hills situated to the north of Vannes, about eight or ten kilometres away, and about 110 metres higher than the town itself. / It went through a trajectory of 45 degrees in five or six minutes, during which time it steadily lost brightness, as a luminous body would if it went away. About the time of its disappearance, one could see a yellow or reddish flash. / I was able to examine this meteor for a few minutes with a small telescope of 30 mm.. It seemed to be formed by two luminous bodies, A and B, situated at approximately the same elevation, the brighter one, A, being in front. Remarkable peculiarity: the motion of B was affected by sudden oscillations, which lasted about half a second. Four or five oscillations were counted per minute. These objects gave the appearance of two balloons linked together.' When published in the periodical Comptes Rendus, this sighting was compared to a sighting by Schmidt, on October 19th, 1863. (CTSc)

April 25th, 1898: Prof. J.Michailovitch of Belgrade Observatory (http://www.aob.bg.ac.yn/) saw for about six minutes an object hovering over Belgrade. He referred to it as a 'comet,' but it obviously did not behave like one

June 29th, 1898: A French astronomer, Lucien Libert, who was in the habit of observing and recording meteors at every possible opportunity, saw - '..at 1hr. 03m.A.M., a bolide with very slow motion (that) glided in sixty seconds from Hercules to Ursa Major. Its diameter was 25 seconds of arc, and it was very bright and white in colour.' (CTSc)

July 4th, 1898: Lucien Libert - '..I was in my observatory when suddenly, at 7hrs. 10m. 18s., I saw a luminous body appear above a tree at the northern horizon. It was of a beautiful golden-yellow colour and perfectly spherical. Its apparent diameter was one-fourth that of the moon. This object started from the north-northeast, rose slowly in the sky, went through the zenith, then started losing brightness as it went down toward the horizon. It disappeared at elevation 30 degrees above the above the west-southwest horizon, near Venus, at 7hrs. 22m. 44s. Its duration, therefore, was twelve minutes, twenty-six seconds. It is by far the longest duration I have observed. A short time before it disappeared it increased its speed... A fairly strong noise of explosion was heard a few seconds after its disappearance.' (CTSc)

May 6th, 1899: Monsieur Libert, again - '..at 8:30 P.M., a magnificent bolide with a very, very slow motion, of yellow colour and surrounded with a shower of sparks, appeared in the constellation of the Scale. Night had not completely come and it was difficult to ascertain points of comparison. Only Jupiter and Spica were visible. This bolide had a completely peculiar shape, which I cannot compare to anything better than a tadpole's head. There was a very bright point in front, and a tail with extremely fast movements of undulation.' (CTSc)

June 7th, 1899: M.Libert - '..at 9 hrs. 25m. 32s. P.M., a yellow bolide, very slow, of the magnitude of Venus, leaving no trail, went from Ophiuchus to Scorpio in twelve seconds. (CTSc)

February 9th, 1902: M.Libert - '..at 7 hrs. 40m. P.M., I observed with MM.Schoux, Marcel Libert and Lucien Briand an extremely remarkable bolide, of the magnitude of Venus. It started from the position of Capella, at a point I estimate to be about five hours of right ascension and +45 degrees declination, and went on a straight line toward beta Persei, which it reached in about three seconds. Having reached the vicinity of this star, it suddenly changed direction, followed a sort of loop and went toward Aldebaran with a curved trajectory. When it was about to disappear it split into three or four objects of approximately second magnitude. The whole observation had lasted about twelve seconds. the point of disappearance was about 4 hrs. 50m. of right ascension and +20 degrees of declination. The bolide left a trail that lasted about one and one-half minutes.' (CTSc)

November 20th 1902: (At) 9.27 a.m., Mr.Griffiths, the assistant astronomer at Adelaide Observatory and colleague were taking weather observations when a "brilliant globular light" appeared to the SSE at about 45 degrees elevation. It moved slowly north and remained visible until 9.31 a.m., covering about 20 degrees of arc in that time, and was lost sight of about 45 degrees above the northern horizon. When it was near overhead it appeared elongated "and took an elliptical form" with its axis in the direction of motion. (FATA/Bill Chalker)

May 25th, 1903: A body was seen on the terminator of Mars, later reported by Professor Percival Lowell, of Lowell Observatory. (BoD)

December 24th, 1909: '..amateur astronomer, James Fergusen, of Limerick, Ireland, reported watching a brightly lighted object rise over the northeastern horizon, maneuvering generally southward for twenty minutes, then retracing its course and vanishing below the horizon at two minutes past nine...' (FS-SB)

May 22nd, 1911: Curious meteoric phenomenon - On the 22 May, about 11.49 (Konigstahl mean time), a feeble meteor was observed following an oblique 4 deg. trajectory, going from east to west. It passed over the star y of the Eagle with great speed. Its breadth was around 15' and it disappeared, leaving behind it a light trail that faded immediately. Nevertheless, the star remained invisible at least three and a half seconds after the meteor's disappearance, as if the light had been absorbed by the substance that this had abandoned in space. Dr MAX WOLF Director of the Observatory of Heidelberg.' (L'Astr. v25)

January 27th-28th, 1912: Astronomer Frank B.Harris wrote to Popular Astronomy and The Times that he saw "a huge object of some kind, moving across the moon's surface." He stated that the object was opaque, black, approximately 250 miles long and 50 miles wide, and close enough to the surface to cast a shadow on the moon. Observation spanned 10.30pm-2am. (PA 20, 1912/MU

December 11th, 1915: At Glenorchy, Tasmania, astronomer Bernald Thomas saw "a particularly bright spot" on the north shore of the Mare Crisium that "looked like a star." (English Mechanic, 203-12)

December 1915: In the lunar crater Aristarchus, 'a.. new black wall that had not been there before..' was observed. It ran '..from the center to the rim..' (FredSt)

May 14th, 1916: At Cordoba Observatory, Argentina, astronomers Perrine and Glancy noticed an object, similar to a comet near the zenith, with '..proper motion of ten degrees an hour, visible one hour..' (BoD)

1918 approximately: Mr.Erwin Schoen, a native of Austria and (subsequently) a resident for many years in Australia, while hiking near the Austrian ammunition town of Steyr with friends, saw during the First World War, a round object, similar to the size of the full moon, cruising over Steyr. he was on a mountain at the time and remembers that the object seemed to rotate, afterward moving in one direction. Visible 2-4 minutes.

1922: 'Three long artificial looking mounds, or objects, appeared on the floor of the (lunar) crater Archimedes. Later, three more objects were discovered not far away, composed in the form of a triangle.' (FredSt)

circa-1936: The 100 inch telescope at Mount Wilson, USA, aimed at the lunar crater Cassendi, photographed '..a remarkable "tube system".. while some of these constructions were growing, others have been removed..' (FredSt)

October 1939: One night, at Wisconsin Rapids, in Wisconsin State, USA, '..an egg-shaped object with 8 spots like portholes was observed through an astronomical reflector telescope..' (FATA/NICAP)

May 3rd, 1947: USA; Nighttime - 'An amateur astronomer in Boulder, Colorado, after training his telescope on the moon, saw a dark object hurtle across the disk of the moon in a horizontal straight line path.' (Pr.N47)

]June 24th, 1947: The same day that Kenneth Arnold had his sighting of "Flying Saucers", astronomer Fred Johnson in Oregon saw these objects, according to his later declaration.

July 3rd, 1947:Harborside[/FONT], Maine, USA[FONT=Arial]. At 2.30 pm, astronomer John Cole of South Brooksville, Maine, watched ten very light objects, with two dark forms to their left, for 10-15 seconds. They moved like a swarm of bees, and a loud roar was heard. (PrBBE) '..Air Material Command publicly explained it as birds or insects, although the Air Force's Project Grudge later listed the sighting as an "unusually well-supported incident" with no explanation..' (Dolan)

July 10th, 1947: An eliptical UFO was seen by astronomer Dr.Lincoln La Paz (http://ufomind.com/people/l/lapaz/) and his family near Port Sumner, New Mexico, (driving) by car with wife and child. He saw a luminous unknown object sort of oscillating beneath the clouds. Its brightness was stronger than the planet Jupiter and its shape regular and elliptical. The nature of this object was unknown to the astronomer.

URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20071215141235/http:/members.aol.com/alienb25/Life.html"]Life [/URL]5/5/52 article (http://members.aol.com/alienb25/Life.html): 'The object "..exhibited a sort of wobbling motion" and then disappeared behind some clouds. It reappeared and "projected against the dark clouds gave the strongest impression of self-luminosity." The object then moved slowly from south to north and two and a half minutes behind a cloudbank. / According to the astronomer's calculations, confirmed by his wife, who with their two daughters was with him, the object was 235 feet long and 100 feet thick. Its horizontal speed ranged between 120 and 180 miles per hour and its vertical rise between 600 and 900 miles per hour.' (JGuieu)

June or July 1947:Jyvaskyla, Finland - 'A technician who was also an amateur astronomer was reading a book after midnight and saw a metallic cigar-shaped object flying at a distance of about two kilometers from northwest to southeast. A bluish light was seen at the end of the cigar. It was flying a lot faster than the airplanes of the time. the observation lasted about 30 seconds.' (Pr.N47

1948: 'F.H.Thornton.. saw a brilliant flash of light at the western rim of Plato. He likened it to the flash of an antiaircraft shell exploding in the air ten miles away.' (SEMoon)

April 24th, 1949: Charles Moore, a highly qualified meteorologist, whilst launching a weather balloon saw an elongated object at White Sands proving grounds, crossing the horizon in about one minute. The sighting was seen by five others. Similar sightings were also at the same place earlier that month.

August 20th, 1949: Clyde Tombaugh (http://www.klx.com/clyde/), discoverer of the planet Pluto in 1930, saw at about 10:45 p.m. while sitting outside his home at Las Cruces, New Mexico, with his wife and mother-in-law, between six and eight greenish objects which were travelling soundlessly across the sky. He reported - 'In all of my several thousand hours of night sky-watching, I have never seen anything so strange as this. I was so astonished that my impression of it was somewhat confused. How I wished I could have had some binoculars at hand. No sound whatever.' (Michel)

Letter from Clyde Tombaugh to Richard Hall, dated September 10th 1957: 'Dear Mr.Hall: Regarding the solidity of the phenomenon I saw: My wife thought she saw a faint connecting glow across the structure. The illuminated rectangles I saw did maintain an exact fixed position with respect to each other, which would tend to support the impression of solidity. I doubt that the phenomenon was any terrestrial reflection, because some similarity to it should have appeared many times. I do a great deal of observing (with telescopic and unaided eye) in the backyard and nothing of the kind has ever appeared before or since.' (AId/TUE)

49: Witness Bertrand Collin, New Zealand - 'My second sighting.. I was studying the stars through my telescope when suddenly four objects in doamond formation passed overhead. They had stubby flanges instead of wings, with short thick bodies. They looked dark, and did not shine. the next morning, the newspapers carried reports of mysterious cobweb-like substance falling from the sky and draping itself across fences and telegraph wires, which melted on being touched.' (MHervey)

Christmas Eve, 1949: Witness Mr.R.Henderson, Melbourne, Australia - 'As an ex-member of the Astronomical Society, and with considerable knowledge of the appearance of meteors, planets, etc., I know a UFO when I see one. The object I saw is still vivid in my memory... I first sighted, in my usual admiration of the stars, a UFO. At an angle of 30 degrees in a north-west direction, I saw a bright orange light travelling due east across the northern section of extreme northern suburbs; this is the opposite direction of travel of stars, etc. / The UFO stopped about 10 degrees east of north, at about a 30-degree elevation. It remained stationary for some time and pulsed with a regular steady beat of light, but now a dull red colour instead of orange it had whilst travelling along. / In its stationary position the dull red colour was almost hard to see; the UFO was still stationary but after about twenty minutes in this position it became brighter. It went from dull red to bright red, and then to bright orange. At a terrific speed it went from 10 degrees north to a position slightly north from my east viewpoint. It slowed down from bright orange to its usual red to its pulsating dull red whilst stationary again. It remained in this stationary position for about fifteen to twenty minutes. / From this position it went due south, to a position SSE and a bright orange whilst in motion, where it again became stationary and a dull red colour. This time it remained only a short time and proceeded in a north-westerly direction almost overhead across the city at a terrific speed and bright orange.' (MHervey)

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February 16th, 1950: Mount Hamilton, Santa Clara County, California - 'Dr.C.D.Shane, an astronomer at Lick Observatory saw and made 8 photographic plates of a queer flying object very high in the sky and moving unusually fast. He considered it one of the most unusual objects sighted in the sky, and saw it only by chance.' (UFOPhATW/FSOMMarch 2nd, 1950:

'MEXICO CITY, March 11 (U.P.). The director of a Mexican observatory today produced a photograph of a flying saucer but it looked more like an amateur's snapshot of a klieg light. / The photograph was a black square with a diagonal band of light across it. The caption in the newspaper Excelsior said it was "possibly the only picture of a flying saucer which existed outside of the larger countries." / Luis Enrique Erro, director of the

Tonantzintla Astronomical Observatory (http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/Museum/haro.html) where the photograph was made, said: "The strange object crossed the sky March 2. Since that day we have wondered what it could have been. We don't know." / Meanwhile, dozens of reports of flying saucers poured into the capital from all over Mexico. The "saucer craze" began shortly after a Mexico City newspaper printed a series of articles which appeared in Time magazine.'

March 9th, 1950: [/FONT][/B]'Next day, March 9, the saucer again visited Durango at noon. This time its movements and appearance were carefully checked by a scientist. E.Nuncio, professor of astronomy in the technical school of Durango, studied the saucer through a telescope and other instruments. Afterwards he gave his data to the press. Nuncio said that the saucer maintained 40,000 feet altitude. It was shaped somewhat like a child's top, and had fracture bands around it where its material was joined together. The tip or point of the top was red, and was tilted down and toward the east. Its altitude over the horizon was 53 degrees 20 minutes and its position was southeast. While Nuncio checked, the saucer moved toward the last 3 degrees in each five minutes until it was out of sight. He pointed out that Venus and other heavenly bodies move to the west.' (True 6-50 in LG6)

March 11th, 1950: 'On that day, also, the astronomical observatory at Culiacan watched a disk-like object through the telescope, and in Tampico, Tamaulipas, amateur astronomer Gonzalo Ibanez reported watching a saucer through his telescope at 9 p.m. in the direction of the Great Bear Constellation. It moved toward the southeast at a great velocity.' (True 6-50 in LG6)

March 27th, 1950:Berlin, Germany - An inexplicable body of a brilliance that rivalled the North Star, was seen by astronomers zigzagging its way westward, occasionally pausing

May 6th, 1950(?): Palomar Gardens California- At 3.30pm, Amateur astronomer Mr.George Adamski (http://www.gafintl-adamski.com/) '..observed and photographed a huge bright cigar shape crossing the face of the Moon..' He also '..shot a picture of 3 luminous UFOs near the limb of the Moon..' (UFOPhATW/CotS/FSHL)

May 20th, 1950: ]Seymour Hess, an astronomer at Flagstaff Observatory, Arizona, saw a metallic looking disc, unexplainable to him (From AId/TUE) '..between 12.15 & 12.20 p.m., Dr.Seymour L.Hess (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4212/app-d.html#VST)[COLOR=#000000], a meteorologist, astronomer, and an expert on planetary atmospheres, observed a bright, at least partially spherical object in the sky from the grounds of Lowell Observatory. According to his account of the incident, which he wrote within one hour of the sighting, the object was definitely neither a bird nor an airplane, as it had no wings or propellers. Although it appeared to be very bright against the sky, as it passed between Hess and a small cumulous cloud in the Northwest its colour appeared dark. Based on the object's elevation and angular diameter as he perceived it through 4-power binoculars, Hess calculated its size to be approximately 3 to 5 feet. Judging from the movement of the clouds, which were drifting at right angles to the motion of the object, he estimated that the object must have been moving at about 100mph and possibly as fast as 200 mph. However, he neither saw nor heard any sign of an engine. Dr.Hess was head of the Department of Meteorology at Florida State University as of 1964.'Astronomer says disc he saw wasn't plane FLAGSTAFF, Ariz., May 23.- (U.P.) - Seymour L.Hess, Lowell observatory astronomer, said today he saw a bright disc cutting through the clouds and that it "definitely was not an airplane." / He said in a signed statement that he spotted the object in the southwestern skies around 12:15 p.m. last Saturday. / Through four-power binoculars, it looked at first like a parachute, he said. / "But this may have been just the section of one-half of a spherical object, the other half being in shadows. The object presented a visible disc to the naked eye. It definitely was not an airplane." / Williams Air Force base near Phoenix, Ariz., disclaimed any knowledge of the object. The Air Force repeatedly has denied the existence of flying saucers.'

(FSOA)May 27th, 1950: ]Palomar Gardens,California - At 8.30 pm '..George Adamski observed and photographed through his telescope two luminous objects seen against the Moon..' / At 10.30 pm, he '..observed and photographed two lens-shaped luminous flying objects in the sky an estimated 75 and 100 miles distant. He made the pictures through his home-made telescope and camera set-up. In the developed print two more similar objects may be seen much farther away.. the objects were leaving faint luminous trails behind them in the sky.' (UFOPhATW/CotS)

May 29th, 1950: Palomar Gdns. - 'George Adamski obs. & ph'd. 6 luminous UFOs in formation in the sky in the direction of the Moon. The Moon is seen in the background.' (UFOPhATW/FSHL)One of a series of 5 stamps issued by Grenada, in 1978, to commemorate the 'Year of UFOs' - the picture on the right-hand side of this one is based on the formation photograph taken by George Adamski on May 29th, 1950. (UFOsTSH)

June 6th, 1950: [/B]Palomar Gdns. - At 2.30 am, 'George Adamski obs. and ph'd. a brightly luminous object in front of the Moon...' (UFOPhATW)

June 27th, 1950: U.S.A. 'Dr.J.C.Bartlett, a well-known American amateur astronomer recorded what appeared to be a conspicuous, bright central peak within the shadow-filled interior of the crater Herodotus without attaching any significance to it. Not until four years later, after resumption of observational survey of the region and referring to his earlier work did he realise that the floor of Herodotus is almost featureless and that it certainly does [U]not contain a central elevation! Subsequent research and consultation with his observer colleagues revealed the following: - 1) It had previously been noted by him in Nov.1949 though unwittingly. 2) It was independently seen by the English selenographer Dr.H.P.Wilkins in March 1950. 3) Recovered again on July 27th, 1950. It has not been seen since by Dr.Bartlett. (Uranus)

August 25th, 1950: '(Patrick) Moore says that "flashes on the Moon are very rare indeed. However, some have been recorded, notably by the ALPO (Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers) observers and by Tsuneo Saheki in Japan, who, on 25th August 1950, saw what he termed a stationary yellowish-white flare lasting for quarter of a second." / Rare? Thousands of reports of flashes, glows, and flares add up to "rare"?' (SEMoon)

March 5th, 1951: Palomar Gdns. - At 10.30 am, 'George Adamski claimed he observed and photographed through his telescope a large dark cigar shape, seen launching smaller luminous domed disc shapes with bright lights all around the rims, until five of them are seen in the last picture together with the larger mothership.' (UFOPhATW/ITSp)

March 9th, 1951: Palomar Gdns. - At 9.00 am 'George Adamski observed through his 6" Newtonian telescope and photographed through the same device.. a large submarine-shaped spacecraft operating at very high altitude above Southern California.' (UFOPhATW/ITSp)

August 3rd, 1951: three miles south of Pinckney, Michigan, USA; shortly after 11pm. Professor Walter N.Webb, Chief Lecturer on Astronomy of the Charles Hayden Planetarium in Boston, was acting as nature counselor at a boys' camp on the shores of Silver Lake - '..He had been letting the boys observe various celestial objects through a small telescope.. (when) he noticed a glowing yellow or yellow-red light moving in an undulating path over the hills at the south end of the lake.. He quickly ruled out the possibility of its having been an inversion effect of some ground-based lights, because the conditions for such a phenomenon were nonexistent...' The light's wavelike trajectory and its very low altitude also meant that it could not be identified as either a plane or planet. (FS-SB)

December 1st, 1951: Palomar Gdns. - At 1.30pm 'George Adamski shot one picture through his telescope of a large disc-shaped object with something like a heatwave radiation coming from the aft rim.' (UFOPhATW)

December 7th, 1951: Sunbury, Ohio, USA.At 4.30 p.m., Carl Loar, an amateur astronomer, saw - through a telescope - a silvery sphere, with two specks on its sides. It seemed to explode and be replaced by a dark cloud and many specks. (PrBBE)

April 2nd, 1952: Fort Worth-Texas.'A fiery, spherical object crossed the sky in a flat path, within fifteen seconds. Observed by an amateur astronomer who said it was not a meteor, and by two Convair aviation engineers who said that it could not have been an airplane because of its silence.'

April 16th, 1952: 10pm San Jose, California. 'Two glowing globular objects appeared hovering together in the sky. Under examination by a 45-magnitude telescope, they were two reddish glowing globes with a dark belt around each, moving up and down in the sky without horizontal movement. They appeared between Mars and Polaris, but were not stars, since they covered the stars when they moved near them. Two photographs were taken, and one showed an irregular twin track in the sky, that might have been caused by two luminous objects moving close together. Observed by five people, including an amateur astronomer. (DL)

May 1st, 1952: Palomar Gdns. - At 7.58 am 'George Adamski observed and photographed, through his 6" telescope, a large cigar-shaped object very high in the sky.' (UFOPhATW)

May 13th, 1952: ]National City[FONT=Arial], California - A Convair design engineer, an ex-Navy Pilot and an amateur astronomer observed a luminescent white, circular object that descended rapidly and circled the area.

Greenville South Carolina- '..astronomers.. saw four oval-shaped saucers flying in a diamond-shaped formation, wobbling slightly as they flew.' (Dolan

August 5th, 1952: Baltimore, Maryland - An experienced amateur astronomer observed two copper-like discs.James Bartlett saw, during a daylight observation of Venus, a flight of two discs with a diameter about 30 minutes of arc; passed overhead and turned east. Then two more discs with dome-like protrusions in centre. (NICAP)

September 15th, 1952: ..at about 8 p.m., there was a most interesting sighting by M.J.Grivel at Thies, Senegal, French West Africa. M.Grivel, an amateur astronomer, at once communicated his findings to the Astronomical Society of France which published them in the February number of its journal Astronomie under the title: "A Suspicious Object!" / On September 15, the report stated, a large really luminous spot appeared between the star mu of Scorpio, moving slowly and quite noiselessly eastward, passed near to khi of Scorpio and moved towards Sagittarius. Suddenly, when between the stars Delta and Gamma of Sagittarius, it stopped for a moment, then resumed flight northward and then westward and finally vanished near to Phi of Ophincus. There were no planes at all in the sky and no sounds whatever.' (JGuieu)

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September 27th 1952: California, USA. Between 10-10.15 p.m., two couples, using a telescope, watched a single large round object, which went through the colour spectrum every 2 seconds, and flew in a level path. (Pr.BBE)

November 20th, 1952: Desert Center California, USA George Adamski's historic contact with Venusian. (FSHL)

December 1st, 1952: Palomar Gardens California, USA; 1.30pm. 'Mr. George Adamski photographed a dark circular object moving in the sky and leaving a kind of misty trail seen to come from the aft part of the craft.' (UFOPhATW)

December 13th, 1952: Palomar Gardens California, USA 9am. 'Mr. George Adamski again shot pictures of the bell-shaped circular craft, taken this time through his 6" homemade telescope.' (UFOPhATW)

J.Allen Hynek polled forty-five fellow astronomers and discovered them all to be frightened of "jeopardising their careers" by showing interest in UFOs. (MDH)

1952: London Ontario, Canada- W.Gordon Graham, astronomer saw an UFO "like a smoke ring, elliptical in shape, and having two bright pinpoints of light along its main axis, move overhead from west to east." (NICAP)

Gnivan, Ukraine 'A triangular object raced across the clear summer evening sky.. and was observed by a Soviet astronomer, Mrs.Faminskaya of the Shternberg Astronomy Institute.' The object was yellowish, moved at great speed, and made no sound. (TSUFOF)

Pre-1953: New Mexico USA - 'A few degrees north of the moon, I noticed what seemed to be a bright star, and then a second star appeared not far from the first... To my surprise, I could bring neither of these objects into clear focus... Both hazy discs shone with a slightly bluish light... We climbed out of the car just in time to see the saucers literally fade away as mysteriously as they had appeared... I have long wondered what it was that I actually saw... But at no time did I have even the slightest suspicion that the objects were of interplanetary origin.' Dr.Donald H.Menzel, Director of Harvard University Observatory. (FSR 9-1)

In a study of over 40 astronomers contained in Blue Book Report No.8 of December 31, 1952, five were found to have seen a UFO - thought to be a higher percentage than applicable to the general population at the time

January 1953: Marham, Norfolk, UK; about 3pm. Marie L.Martin, who had 'a very great interest in astronomy and in any flying aircraft,' was gazing up at the sky. It was a brilliant afternoon. She noticed what she took to be a jet aircraft travelling extremely fast, and was then shocked to see what she assumed to be its two wings leave the fuselage. However, it then transpired that instead of the detached objects coming 'hurtling down' and the jet crashing, '..without any loss of speed, they went round, one behind the other, so that in a straight line they continued to race across the sky. Just as abruptly, they came to a halt in midair...' Mrs.Martin was then able to determine that the flying objects were '..round, shiny and metallic, glinting brightly in the rays of the sun...' (WFFF) For complete Marie L.Martin account, click


May 29th, 1953: New Zealand- 'An amateur astronomer at Palmerston North reported seeing an unusual object.. while observing the planet Venus. He described the UFO as being rather small and blue in colour. It dived and manoeuvred in the sky and then made off rapidly with an irregular motion. / Later he saw a large amount of filament-like substance floating down from the sky, which he examined under a microscope. They were white in colour and ashy in texture. The filaments were also seen by a reporter belonging to the staff of the Manawatu Evening Standard.' (MHervey)

July 29th, 1953: As John J.O'Neill '..was studying the moon's Mare Crisium, where earlier he had seen only "the clear sweep of the great sea," he saw something which spanned an estimated 12 miles distance, something that could only be called a "bridge."' (Understanding 4-68)

October 6th, 1953: Norwich, England; 7.15pm - Mr.F.W.Potter, a member of the Norwich Astronomical Society, was observing the night sky of Norwich with a 3.5-inch refractor telescope, when he saw a very bright object coming from the south-west: "I focused on it and found the light given from the object was not reflected sunlight, as I first believed, but an internal light being sent out from a fixed apparatus situated around the dome. The rays or beams of light could be seen distinctly from the dome and attached directly beneath it was a much larger and flattened dome with a protruding band running in a circumference around its edge. This was clearly seen in the telescope by the rays of light thrown out from the apertures in the top dome. The underneath of the large flattened bottom dome was hollow and appeared to be glowing red, but there were no vapour trails or gases to be seen. / It did not rotate but kept the same portion of the dome towards the telescope until it changed its angular course. Then it gave me a chance to visualise another of the apertures that previously had been hidden from view. It was then travelling to the north-east and disappearing from view." (ACA)

January 3rd, 1954: 'Mr.John W.Boyle, vice-president of the Victoria (Australia) branch of the British Astronomical Association, saw at 11 a.m.. visible for 30 seconds, what at first looked like a "piece of paper" blown by the wind, at a height of about 30,000 feet. But there was little wind, and the object resolved itself into something like aluminium, rocking from side to side and flashing in the sunlight. each time it flashed, a halo of purple shone round it.. If the object had been 30,000 feet up, he thought its speed might be 1,000 miles an hour, "five degrees a second," and its diameter about 60 feet. Mr.Boyle emphatically denies that what he saw was a cosmic ray balloon. He does not dismiss the theory that the object was interplanetary. "Anybody," he say, "who denies the possibility that these things may be visitors from other planets, is eother very frightened, or just plain stupid. Some people as I've seen myself at public lectures on interplanetary travel, become seized with screaming horrors if one talks of little men landing on the earth."' (FSOM)

May 5th, 1954: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. Astronomy students witnessed a V-formation of UFOs. (The Temporal Doorway (http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/catalog/formations.htm)

May 15th, 1954: Southampton UK. An amateur astronomer viewed 18 UFOs in V-formation. "Windows" were visible in some of the objects through a telescope. (TTDoorway/TUE)

Berlin Germany; about 10.15 pm - three round luminous bodies that flew at great height, on a zig-zag course, were observed by two amateur astronomers. The men, Wolfgang Kobski and Rudi Fibich said that what they had seen could not have been meteors, stars or an hallucination. (FSNews6)

June 11th, 1954: (Charleston, West Virginia - Atlanta, Georgia, USA) 'The late Percy Wilkins was among the world's foremost astronomers and, quite possibly, its premier selenographer... The English scientist is the source of a remarkable account. During a plane journey along the eastern seaboard he glanced out of his window at about 10:45 toward a cluster of cumoulous clouds a couple of miles away. Immediately above them, Dr.Wilkins (http://www.space.edu/moon/timeline/1900-60/1955-W&M.htm)sighted two radiant ovoids about which he remarked: "They looked exactly like polished plates reflecting the sunlight as they flipped and banked around beside the clouds. Presently a third object came slowly out of a huge cloud, remaining motionless in the shadow of the cloud and therefore darker than the others. Presently it zipped away and plunged into another cloud mass. After about two minutes, the first two did the same manoeuvre and I did not see them again.' (PFl)

July 6th, 1954: Duluth, Minnesota, USA. Frank Halstead, his assistant at Darling Observatory, and sixteen visitors, all observed a straight black line on the floor of the lunar crater Piccolomini, that had not previously been there. The observation lasted for several hours, and was confirmed by observations made at Tulane Observatory, and by well-known amateur astronomer Frank Manning. (FS-SB)

July 8th, 1954: Wigan, Lancashire, England. British astronomer, Mr.Harold Hill, saw a silvery object with fifteen to twenty smaller satellite objects. (Ln) For Mr.Hill's personal account click URL="http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/HaroldHill.htm"]here[/URL][/FONT]

August 10th, 1954: USA - 'Amateur astronomer Edward Heinhold was observing Saturn with his four-inch reflector telescope, when he saw in that area six lights moving in a straight line. They were evenly spaced, except for two which were near together. Going east, they covered horizon to horizon in fifteen minutes - up to 11 P.M. His station is at Cedarhurst, Long Island. The front lights suddenly disappeared, then two more lights followed suit, and thirty seconds later, the remaining lights vanished while still above the horizon. Their altitude "must have been terrific."' (FSUnc.)

September 5th, 1954: USA - 'Three amateur astronomers at Rockford, Ill., claim to have seen through a six-inch telescope, a spherical object ascending from Mare Humboldt area of the moon, of a size estimated at one quarter of the diameter of the lunar crater Vlaco. velocity very great - over a 29 feet 30 inch arc in 40 minutes. They think it travelled under power, and was ascending in space. They estimate its length as close to two and a half miles.' (FSUnc.)

September 6th, 1954: Baltimore, Maryland, USA. An amateur astronomer saw 4 UFOs, three of which changed formation. (TTDoorway/TUE)

October 10th, 1954: 'In Alexandria, Egypt, observatories see cylindrical flying saucer, red and green.' (FSUnc.)

October 2-, 1954:'..it was on October 27, 1954.. that Yugoslavia officially announced that a serious investigation of UFOs would be undertaken in that country. On the preceding monday a strange object had been observed over that country by astronomers, meteorologists, and pilots, as well as average citizens.' (UFOWhS)

October 31st, 1954: India; 6pm - '..in Calcutta.. a mysterious object passed only five miles to the north of Dum Dum Airdrome. Reports described it speeding at more than 2,000 ft., around 500 mph. The unknown remained in view on a sraight course for about a minute as observers agreed that it made no audible sounds. An officer in the control tower described it as a bright object with a long luminous tail of diffused white light. Area astronomer Father F.Goreux of St.Xavier College Obs. and senior professor at Calcutta University stated that it could not have been an astronomical object. He added: "that is certain."' (MDH)

November 8th, 1954: 'Dr.Francisco Aniceto Lugo of Caracas, Venezuela, saw a reddish, star-like point of light at a spot close to the base of the western outer wall of the crater Kepler. It was obscured for an hour and described as artificial-looking and very obvious. Nothing similar has been seen here either before or since though often looked for. Clearly not an impact flare, it is difficult to imagine what it could have been. (Uranus, 12-60)

November 24th, 1954: England - 'White disc "like a small moon" moving across the sky - seen through two and a half inch telescope by a member of Southampton Astronomical Society (Mrs.A.Marley), at 12.15 a.m. It was not visible to the naked eye. It was moving dead south over Southampton Water - but suddenly turned on itself - and came back.' (FSNews8)

December 1954: Mr.Cloris Hamel of La Florida, Venezuela was viewing the moon through a 125-power telescope, when 'a fleet of opaque objects' showed up, crossing the moon's disc. (UFOWhS)

March 8th, 1955: 'Amateur astronomer, Mr.Lonzo Dove observed and photographed a round luminous object near the apparent edge of the Moon.' (UFOPhATW)

March 15th, 1955: 'University of Miami Senior Robert Leventhal, 200 SW 58th Street, an amateur astronomer, was out in his yard with a telescope at 10.50 p.m. yesterday when he saw a "round, oval-shaped, bluish-white disc." / It traveled quickly from southeast in "an irregular motion in about a minute," he told police. "It was bright as a second magnitude star." / "It wasn't a plane or meteor," he said, "and I don't have nay idea of what it actually was. But it looked like something I saw in the sky about two years ago in Ithaca, N.Y., along with thirty other people."' (TUAn)

April 7th, 1955: Two sightings by Bill Raub of San Jose, California: 'Mr.Raub has been most helpful with news items and personal sightings. He reported personally to your editor that on April 7th, 1955, at approximately 9:10 p.m. he observed the moon through 7 by 50 binoculars. The moon was at first quarter. On the dark side, near the edge farthest from sunlight, he saw a light which he describes as "much brighter than one of Jupiter's moons." He watched it for several minutes, and then, suddenly, it was gone. / On the same day, Mr.Raub and Leo Denny saw two black objects traveling very fast in the sky. Jets were nearby, and were of entirely different shape. Also, the jets left vapor trails, which the objects did not. / The UFO's disappeared when they got near the sun, but the jets were seen in silhouette against the sun.' (TUAn)

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May 24th, 1955: Testimony from well-known British author/astronomer V.A.Firsoff - 'On May 24, 1955, on the southern horn of the 'sickle'-moon, two bright points were seen where the sunlight touched the peaks of the Leibnitz region. Between these two bright points there was a third light, fainter than them, and it (and only it) was jumping about and sparkling. Finally, a fainter shaft of light came out of it and shot up vertically into the sky above the Moon's surface, flaring in intensity as it climbed while simultaneously dying away at the base. Then it vanished. The total length of the shaft of light, exclusive of its projection, would have been some 100 miles, and its upward movement lasted for two seconds or possibly somewhat longer. I tried to check to see whether it could be illusory, maybe due to the telescope, but without success, and it does seem that the phenomenon was real.''..the Moscow astronomer V.I.Timkov.. from the outskirts of the town of Ordzhonikidze in the Caucasus.. at approximately the very same time, observed the upward movement of a similar shaft of light.' (Alexei Arkhipov, FSR 41-2 [trans:G.Creighton])

June 3rd 1955: Letter sent by Eugene Metcalfe of Paris, Illinois, USA - 'Dear Mr.Jessup: After reading The Case for the UFO, I have been scanning the skies more than ever with my three inch stellar telescope, mostly at the moon. You are right about the small planets between the Earth and Moon. I found this to be true on June 3, 1955. There are at least four such planets that are visible to the eye, but you have to look through a 'scope to see they are so near! I saw four shadows crossing the Moon and watched them from 8:30 until 11:30 p.m...' (TUAn)

June 16th, 1955: 'An aircraft of the flying saucer class was sighted last night from Waterbury (Connecticut, USA), according to a 12-year-old boy who said astronomy was his hobby. / The boy, Joseph Lamontagne, of 28 Dixie Avenue, said he was sure the object he saw was not an optical illusion, nor a conventional airplane. / Joseph related he was outside his home scanning the sky with a four-inch diameter telescope, when the noiseless object moved into his view. / Carrying four yellow lights on top, and one green light below, the aircraft seemed to be oval shaped, the boy said. He reported the object, in view about two minutes, moved fast from the south and disappeared over the western horizon. / Asked if he could have mistaken the yellow and green lights for recognition lights on a military aircraft. Joseph reiterated that he did not think the machine was of conventional type. He said his mother could see the lights after the location was pointed out. / A pupil in the seventh grade at Washington School, the boy has been studying astronomy to the point where he can pick out 15 of the 90 known constellations.' (TUAn)

mid-August 1955: Astronomer V.V.Yeremenko made these observations with a home-made telescope - 'Above the surface of the Moon, parallel to its rim and at a distance of approximately 0.2 of a lunar radius, there was flying a shining body resembling a star of the third magnitude. Flying one-third of the circumference (this took 4-5 seconds) the body then plunged downwards at a sharp angle and landed on the surface of the Moon.' (A.Arkhipov, FSR 41-2[trans:G.Creighton])

August 26th, 1955: ..I was observing the moon with my home-built 6-inch reflector, using an Erfle eyepiece and a Goodwin Barlow lens which gave a magnification of 200 times and a 20-minute field. At 7:51 p.m. CST, while examining the neighbourhood of the Apennines, I saw on the dark portion of the moon a bright flare that remained visble for about 35 seconds. It appeared roughly as bright as a 2nd-magnitude star does to the naked eye. The terminator region of the moon had been under survey for about an hour, and I am certain that the flare was not present for many seconds before I saw it. / The position of the flare, as estimated in terms of the diameter of the field of view, was in the neighbourhood of the Carpathian Mountains. this seemed to be too far inside the dark portion of the moon for the object to have been an isolated mountain peak catching the sunlight. The flare remained fairly steady in brightness, fading only slightly before it abruptly disappeared..' Letter to Sky & Telescope from K.E.McCorkle, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. (TUAn)

September 8th, 1955: 'Shortly after sunrise.. I was looking at the moon, high in the sky, through a small 20 power telescope. My attention was directed to the Taurus Mountains at the western edge of Mare Serenitatis when, at 7:35 a.m. EDT, I saw two distinct flashes of light, about a quarter second apart, that seemed to come from the edge of these mountains. / There appeared to be nothing that could have caused reflections in my telescope. The sun was hidden behind trees at the time, and there were no aircraft in the sky.'

Letter to Sky & Telescope from W.C.Lambert, Ironton, Ohio, USA. (TUAn)Morris K.Jessup's first book 'The Case for The UFO' was published in 1955. Here's a biographical sketch from the flyleaf of his later work 'The UFO Annual' - 'Explorer and instructor in Astronomy and Mathematics at the University of Michigan (http://www.astro.lsa.umich.edu/UMastro_ie.html) and Drake University, M.K.Jessup completed his Thesis for the Doctorate in Astrophysics at the University of Michigan. He erected and operated the largest refracting telescope in the Southern Hemisphere in South Africa, for the University of Michigan. His research program resulted in several thousand discoveries of physical double-stars which are now catalogued in the Memoirs of the Royal Astronomical Society of London.'

November 1st, 1955: Mojave Desert, about 100 miles west of Las Vegas, USA; daytime. Frank Halstead of Darling Observatory was travelling on a fast train to California with his wife Ann, when she called his attention to an object moving parallel to the train, and at about the same speed, above a range of mountains. This apparent pacing lasted for four or five minutes. The appearance of the object was described to Frank Edwards during a 1959 interview - '..At the time I thought it was a blimp, you know, one of those cigar-shaped dirigibles.. But as I watched it I realised that it could not be a blimp - they are only about two hundred feet long - and this thing was gigantic. It was about eight hundred feet long. I could estimate that because it was so close to the mountain ridges where trees and clumps of trees were visible for comparison..'While Frank and Ann Halstead were watching this object, a second object suddenly appeared behind it - '..It was a disc-shaped thing. In fact, both the objects were very shiny, we noticed.. (possibly) about one hundred feet in diameter - flat on the bottom with a low dome on the top side.. My wife and I watched the pair of them for two - possibly three - minutes.. Then they began to rise, slowly at first, and a few seconds later, much faster...'

'Elegant and immortal utterance by Dr.Richard van der Riet Woolley, F.R.S., the new Astronomer Royal, when asked for his views on space travel, after alighting at London Airport, January 3, 1956: It's utter bilge....' (Understanding 1-68)

January 24th, 1956: '..more recently a report came from a Brian Warner.. reproduced in "Saucers," sept.1956. The incident occurred on Jan 24th, 1956, just east of the crater Liebig, the flashes actually coming from the East wall of Cavendish. In describing the phenomenon, Warner states, "The flashes evidently began with a bright glare and continued very bright for almost three minutes." The light slowly faded over a further period of some 8 minutes before finally disappearing. Warner continues, "The frequency of the pulsating was approximately 11/2 flashes per second and between maximum brilliance the source could be seen as a point of light slightly more intense than the surrounding walls. There were definite indications of reflection from the west wall and the floor was faintly lit by the glare." Warner then goes into some detail in trying to explain the flashing light but he himself regards the occurrence as an unsolved mystery..' (Uranus, 7/8-58)

April 21st, 1956: Luanda, Angola - 'Astronomer C.M.Bettencourt, observing the moon through a small telescope, saw 8 luminous objects enter the eyepiece from the left proceeding from the left towards the moon's position in the sky. He estimated them to be over 500 kilometres distant and 200 to 300 metres in diameter. He used a Butenshon 64-magnitude telescope, holding his camera to the eyepiece' (to photograph the phenomena). (UFOPhATW)

September 1956: Baja, California, USA. 'Mr.George Adamski filmed 16mm movie footage of two very large round UFOs in close formation high in the clear blue sky.' (UFOPhATW)

November 26th, 1956: Alamagordo, New Mexico, USA; night. Astronomer and photographer, Robert E.Curtiss '..was making some test shots with.. a motion picture camera.. loaded with highly sensitized film and.. coupled to the rangefinder of his 16-inch reflector telescope. With this setup he was able to shoot pictures of the moon at speeds of 24 to 48 frames per second. The telescope was covering that portion of the moon around Fra Mauro.. between Parry and Copernicus.When Mr.Curtiss developed and printed his films he was startled by a peculiarity. Just to the left of the terminator, which is the dividing line between sunlight and shadow on the moon, there was a small white Maltese cross. It was on frame after frame and was unquestionably either on the surface of the moon or very close to it...' (FS-SB)

February 13th, 1957: Steve Papina, an amateur astronomer, was walking home in Placerville, California, at about 9:40 P.M., when '..he noticed off to his left the ionized track of what he thought was a shooting star..' Mr.Papina watched the trail, carefully noting its movements upward in the sky.. 'Suddenly a black disc appeared.. directly in front of the trail,' which was about equal in diameter to the width of the trail. The disc's surface was not smooth '..but appeared to be roughened by cross-checked canyons. In the southeast quadrant was an area which seemed to have a few canyons filled with a very black material. On the northwest quadrant another area was visible which had dark streaks but on a lesser scale..' The disc was very clear in the sky, and as it now traveled in a westerly course, it changed to a white colour, its diameter reduced by two-thirds, and it took off into outer space - as Mr.Papina put it, like "letting the air out of a toy balloon." (UFOWhS)

March 10th, 1957: 'Mr.Paul M.Cornick, of 205 Manor Road, Fishponds, Bristol, was observing Jupiter on Sunday, March 10, at about 7 p.m. He writes: "When I took my eye from the telescope, I noticed an extremely bright object that appeared to be due north of Jupiter. So bright was this object that I realised at once that it could not be a natural phenomenon. / I watched it for a few moments, thinking that it might possibly be some optical illusion, but far from it. It was moving! / My first thought was to focus my telescope on the object, and it resolved itself into two lights - one red and the other white. (The latter being on the left-hand side) Every so often a reddish flash danced from the red light to the white one. / By this time the phenomenon was clearly visble to the naked eye, and I could easily see the occasional red flash as well as the lights. the course of the object was going to take it between the Pole Star and Ursa Major. / The object was now almost directly overhead, and I listened intently for some sound, but none came. It seemed to float over like some ghostly shadow, and yet it conveyed the impression of power. / Abruptly, as it passed the Pole Star, it faded and vanished from sight. / It could not have been an aeroplane because of the absence of noise and the steady lights (they should flash) and they were the wrong colours..."' (FSRWR) '..many professional astronomers are convinced that saucers are interplanetary machines... I think they come from another solar system, but they may be using Mars as a base.'

Dr.Frank Halstead, Darling Observatory, Duluth, Minnesota, USA. (Flying Saucers, 6-57)

May 3rd, 1957: At Forcalquier Observatory, France, 'Roger Rigollet, a specialist in meteor studies for the French National Center for Scientific Research' had set up a 'shutter that revolves in such a way' in front of a camera 'as to cause an interruption of the light beam eight times a second,' and also a second shutter to cover 'the instrument every four minutes.' That evening, two of these automatic camera arrangements were put in operation - one rotating and one fixed. When the results were viewed the next day, two luminous forms were found on the film, at 10:38pm & 10.41pm. (CTSc)

[boycotteverything]

so! another tuna toss from the fantasy island moon boy, eh?

[boycotteverything]

ALL FURTHER MOON COMMENTARY WILL BE MOVED TO THE "HANDS UP IF YOU LOVE ASS!" THREAD.

Management

[KIWI]

all your socks finally packed up and left huh?........the alimony battle's gonna be a doosy......settle outa court is my advice, ( please....take it, Im not using it ) give em each a dead cat and be done with it

[boycotteverything]

and that's the thanks i get for being helpful? jesus..

[KIWI]

there was a T-shirt and cap also but Ive mailed them to Chorlton

[skunk]

'Strides in new knowledge are taken slowly, usually against the will of the currently knowledgeable.'
-Philip Wylie

Love the quote kiwi

[Cogburn]

Aristarchus Crater

Dude, that shit has been debunked so many times it's not even allowed on ATS anymore.

C'mon now...

[KIWI]

Dude, that shit has been debunked so many times it's not even allowed on ATS anymore.

C'mon now...

as it would seem cog......but the thousands of observations of lunar anomalies by trained proffessional observers?

all debunked?

it is not an easy path for sure, that arch nemisis of every free-thinking individual when faced with his own observation could not even find it in himself to offer the possibility of something outside his scope of understanding....or should I say his "paid" understanding


Pre-1953: New Mexico, USA - 'A few degrees north of the moon, I noticed what seemed to be a bright star, and then a second star appeared not far from the first... To my surprise, I could bring neither of these objects into clear focus... Both hazy discs shone with a slightly bluish light... We climbed out of the car just in time to see the saucers literally fade away as mysteriously as they had appeared... I have long wondered what it was that I actually saw... But at no time did I have even the slightest suspicion that the objects were of interplanetary origin.' Dr.Donald H.Menzel, Director of Harvard University Observatory. (FSR 9-1)

[boycotteverything]

I have long wondered what it was that I actually saw... But at no time did I have even the slightest suspicion that the objects were of interplanetary originhahahahahaha that's our fair minded don menzel -- father of phil klass...)

[KIWI]

and to think this guy was in charge of Harvard Observatory, and by whos appointment?

lol , another no-brainer

[century]

it's not even allowed on ATS anymore.
C'mon now...


Who gives a shit about ATS............Lex isnt allowed on ATS ethier:grin:

[mojo]

if the text colour is annoying ,read in Amkon Default

when I paste anything from a word doc it comes out black on grey

you can change the text colour in "advanced reply".

:)

[Cogburn]

as it would seem cog......but the thousands of observations of lunar anomalies by trained proffessional observers?

all debunked?

it is not an easy path for sure, that arch nemisis of every free-thinking individual when faced with his own observation could not even find it in himself to offer the possibility of something outside his scope of understanding....or should I say his "paid" understanding

No, not all debunked. However finding water on the moon certainly opens up the options for many TLPs, no?

[pack3tg0st]

if the text colour is annoying ,read in Amkon Default

when I paste anything from a word doc it comes out black on grey

If you just want to copy/paste straight text... there's a button on the upper left of the text box that is a couple of capital A's with an X through em...

That button removes text formatting... (i.e. background colors and the likes....)

I think if you click that before you copy/paste... it'll come out as straight text.

[century]

Originally posted by johnlear (http://amkon.net/member.php?u=817)From "Moongate: Supressed Findings of the U.S. Space Program The NASA-Military Cover-Up" by William L. Brian II Copyright 1982

"The Moon's lower gravity, 64% of Earths', means that its atmosphere is deeper because the gases are compressed to a lesser extent that Earths' atmosphere.

The depth of an atmosphere in inversely proportional to the magnitude of the gravitational field. This follows from the gas law involving pressure and volume which states that the volume of a confined gas in inversely proportional to the pressure applied to it. In other words if the pressure is doubled the volume becomes half as great.

The Moons atmosphere is not likely to experience high winds and other weather conditions to the extent that is common on earth because of the long days and nights, and the absence of large bodies of water on the surface of the nearside.

Therefore the atmosphere on the Moon is probably much cleaner than the Earth's and light diffusion and scattering effects would be minimal. Occultation of stars would not be as pronounced as expected and the interpretation of the findings would be that the Moon has an extremely thin atmosphere. The atmospheric density could still be as great or greater than Earth's without being as visible."

Whatever the density, the densest level of an atmosphere is its lowest. So if there was a breathable atmosphere on the moon, the densest parts of that atmosphere would be on the floor of the craters.

Both Adamski and Menger mentioned that the inhabitants on the moon live in a temperate zone just over the horizon visible to earth.

Below is a photo taken by Apollo 17 (1522) and shows a portion of the farside of the moon which is on the right and to the right of the green longitudinal line.

The blue circles represent possible deep craters where the densest air would be and where people could live and work.

The white area just above Maxwell (extreme northeast) is actually a large city and was crudely whited out by NASA artists in the days before digital imaging and the automatic elimination of what NASA calls "offensive material" or that material which may betray the actual nature of the moon became automatic.

George Adamski said that looking a telescope from above the moon the many of the craters turned out to be large valleys surrounded by mountains. This kind of illusion would not be too hard to perpetrate for someone who could tow the moon from a different solar system.

Adamski said he saw vegetation, snow-covered mountains with heavy timber on the lower slopes and mountain lakes and rivers which emptied into a large body of water. He saw a number of communities in the valleys and on mountain slopes as well as a fair-sized city. Adamski says he was told that large hangars are located near the cities for convenience in landing with supplies which are brought in to exchange for certain moon minerals..

Adamski said that visitors to the moon had to go through a depressurization process to acclimatize them to the atmosphere because of the relatively lower air pressure.

This process is similar to the acclimatization necessary when climbing mountains over
15,000 feet.

It has been said that the actual pressure altitude of the habitable craters of the moon are equivalent to 18,000 feet pressure altitude here on earth.LINK to thread (http://amkon.net/case-for-civilization-moon-t15783p2.html)

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5808/farsideterm172westcontrhy4.png

[KIWI]

If you just want to copy/paste straight text... there's a button on the upper left of the text box that is a couple of capital A's with an X through em...

That button removes text formatting... (i.e. background colors and the likes....)

I think if you click that before you copy/paste... it'll come out as straight text.

thanx Pac....got there in the end :)

[KIWI]

No, not all debunked. However finding water on the moon certainly opens up the options for many TLPs, no?

your right it would, be interesting to see what camp claim's the bigger victory...lol

if its that abundant, it opens a whole new line of debate as to the observational abillities of the multi-billions of dollars worth of hardware that has been "snooping" about up there for the last 60 years....no? :)

[boycotteverything]

that arch nemisis of every free-thinking individual when faced with his own observation could not even find it in himself to offer the possibility of something outside his scope of understanding.therein lies our struggle as a species- to somehow break the idols of the mind that chain us to mediocre thought. keep your head down, make your money and shut the fuck up... man is the measure of all things.

[Cogburn]

if its that abundant, it opens a whole new line of debate as to the observational abillities of the multi-billions of dollars worth of hardware that has been "snooping" about up there for the last 60 years....no? :)

Hahah... No. :)

[KIWI]

c'mon cog.......look carefully at that diagram of the Lunar Lander, now zoom in to the lower left/hand corner, adjust your resolution and hit "colour-enhance"

now be honest, what letters do you see stamped on that locker?

thats right! B.S.S.G.T

Bucket, Spade, Snorkel, Goggles and Towell.....:)

[Cogburn]

:lol:

[hp]

How can anyone actually believe this stuff. Unless there is more that hasn't been conveys in the story, telescope wise, if Adamski can see these features through a telescope, why can't others so it. Was he actually an RV dude.

[KIWI]

How can anyone actually believe this stuff. Unless there is more that hasn't been conveys in the story, telescope wise, if Adamski can see these features through a telescope, why can't others so it. Was he actually an RV dude.

I think he drove a Skoda HP

[KIWI]

the thing is HP an awful lot of the people quoted in those reports are also held in the highest esteem by their peers, and accredited with many discoveries in the field of Astronomy.......highly trained observers the most of them

in the earlier days of astronomy there were quite a few "unknowns" relating to the workings of the upper atmosphere and space itself......so a fair percentage of those reports could have been pollen, ice, dust etc...

but of course as science progressed and a lot of these hither-to unknowns became "knowns"........the song seems to have remained the same

[KIWI]

also, one swallow does not a summer make, but when you take "all" the suspicious happenings and view the topic as a whole.......well,..... reasonable grounds for suspicion? ....that all is not as we are led to believe?......by those with, at very least, shady agendas ?

[Cogburn]

There's still tons of unknowns, KIWI.

There's just no evidence for them being anything other than transient phenomena that refuse classification.

That doesn't mean space ships or little green men. Why go there until it does unless you're looking for a substitute for believing in God?

[hp]

Last year's non US probes to moon but no trees...

[KIWI]

Why go there until it does unless you're looking for a substitute for believing in God?

why? cog you know (albeit you have only my word on this) I have seen what can only be called " machines" dissappear from our terresstrial atmosphere, into "space" in the blink of an eye....

I have friends I would trust with my life who have had experiences that make mine pale by comparrisom.......

reasonable de-duction by me then see's the most likely place for some of the answers are to be found on our moon.....

given the added "random" behavior of NASA ( a military outfit) and other space-related organizations, well, my "suspicion" molecule is fit to burst

how's this.......we all live on a big island, off-shore are 4 smaller islands, the closest being a couple of miles ( call it moon- island) I'll be NASA, and the only one to own a boat, I steam off and return to tell all that there is nothing happening there (its starting to get crowded on "Big-Island" and its been thought "Moon-Island" might be an option for habitation)

In spite of my report, thousands of people have claimed to have seen, objects, lights etc, moving on, around, and coming from "Moon-Island"

they can think what they like, Ive been there, and what I say goes.


and in spite of growing suspicion from an ever-increasing number of people

what do I care? what are they gonna do?.......they are shackled to their "Daily Bread"....and will do as they are told

load of old shit?......maybe, but I'll wait for confirmation from B.E on that :)

[KIWI]

Last year's non US probes to moon but no trees...

dont forget the MSM have a stake in all this HP

[Cogburn]

dont forget the MSM have a stake in all this HP

MSM?

JAXA and the ISA are not even in the United States, not to mention answer to the U.S. or NASA. If the game is technology, the Japanese and the Hindus have ZERO reason to play by American rules.

Not a single CT icon has ever been able to even show a hint of secret collusion between space agencies on any project, much less aliens and UFOs.

Insert the "god particle" of a super-secret world controlling conspiracy and it works, I suppose.

KIWI, I can't tell you what you saw, although I could go on ad nauseum about the limitations of human perception, its subsequent cognitive processing and the errors in that might intrude on the process for any given individual.

Hell, I'll let IEF do it. He's the one with the book.

[KIWI]

Not a single CT icon has ever been able to even show a hint of secret collusion between space agencies on any project, much less aliens and UFOs.


hence the term "secret" ?

[KIWI]

.... not to mention answer to the U.S. or NASA.

you have this on good authority?

what is "the US" ?

whats portrayed through the MSM on a global level, ya know the one "land of the free....home of the brave" ?

or that bunch of criminals that own the FED and are illegally keep the pop shackled by the breaching of your own charter in the collecting of personal income-tax?

[Cogburn]

Tsk, tsk, tsk... cop out. I said "hint."

People that switched agencies and countries. People that worked for the CIA that went to work for other agencies in positions of information control. Information released by a country that has no program that would have revealed it (hinting to "insider trading" of information). People that have ties to corporations that have been suspected of releasing captured technology.

Anything.

Yet... nothing, and that lack of evidence is not ever allowed to lead one even close to the conclusion that might be because it doesn't exist.

An open mind requires the inclusion of all possibilities, including the possibility that you're completely wrong. :)

[KIWI]

who ever controls the $$$$$ calls the shots...period

[KIWI]

Anything.

Yet... nothing, and that lack of evidence is not ever allowed to lead one even close to the conclusion that might be because it doesn't exist.

An open mind requires the inclusion of all possibilities, including the possibility that you're completely wrong.

really?......there are hundreds that have claimed dodgy dealings

they are simply shouted down or removed from the equation


an open mind would require by nature to be observing from a point based on common sense.....

and it does not take long to realise the partys attracting attention are doing so because of their obvious lack of the same :)


the loudest cry is "we must safe-guard" from the enemy!

what fucken enemy?

dont forget Sutton Cog

when you use the point that Japan et al do not kow-tow to the US, think about it

the US that is portrayed to the world through the MSM, or the real one we know of

[KIWI]

JAXA and the ISA are not even in the United States

you seriously thought for a minute I did not know this?

careful cog.......thats borg country

[Cogburn]

who ever controls the $$$$$ calls the shots...period

The victory of such a conspiracy as you paint only comes with the admission by the individual that he is powerless in the face of it.

[Cogburn]

really?......there are hundreds that have claimed dodgy dealings

they are simply shouted down or removed from the equation

...

dont forget Sutton Cog

Who are these people? Name them.

Sutton is the way it was 50+ years ago, not today. Unless you'd like to play connect the dots for us?

[KIWI]

The victory of such a conspiracy as you paint only comes with the admission by the individual that he is powerless in the face of it.

that sounds ok but its not for me, Im probably as free as could be got residing on "Prison-Earth" :)

I make a point of it

to be aware is enough for this kid......

the one thing they cant take (or havnt yet) is the wonder of the whole....

and aint that worth hanging around for?

[KIWI]

Who are these people? Name them.

Sutton is the way it was 50+ years ago, not today. Unless you'd like to play connect the dots for us?

Nixon was still at it less than 40 years back......and if it is any different today it would be soley because the greedy fux have it all now

[KIWI]

Who are these people? Name them.


will do :)

just to get it right.....we are talking ex-offical/ corporate/techical personnel?

claiming dishonest dealings at the highest (and all between) levels?

between National and International govts and agencies?

both Military and civillian?

[Cogburn]

will do :)

just to get it right.....we are talking ex-offical/ corporate/techical personnel?

claiming dishonest dealings at the highest (and all between) levels?

between National and International govts and agencies?

both Military and civillian?

In the context of providing direct or indirect evidence of a global conspiracy to prevent UFO disclosure, yes.

If you happen to find any, we'll vet their claims. :)

[century]

Aaron McCollum is a third generation member of Project Talent, the MKUltra program used to develop psychic warriors and supersoldiers by the secret government. He is coming forward to speak about the Stargate in the Gulf of Aden and the information he is getting in this regard from secret sources, his own intuition and his conclusions based upon research.

Project Camelot interviews Aaron McCollum18,500 views and only a day old:)

Says he expects false flag attacks in Yemen along the Gulf of Aden in order to focus UN military efforts on an anomaly that is apparently in the water, (another Bermuda triangle/star-gate) still haven't finished.

Aaron claims warships from all over the Earth(even mercenary groups) are forming a perimeter of hundreds of warships around this anomoly as we speak.

22S2TNMf8v4

[Cogburn]

Why do these people all have crazy-eye?

http://i46.tinypic.com/bdqudd.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/doomsday_cults/doomsday_cults_11.jpg

Who is this Gen-X nutball?

[hp]

Says he expects false flag attacks in Yemen along the Gulf of Aden

He should have released this before the Yemen troubles and pirates. He might have gotten more believers chasing it.

[skunk]

Who is this Gen-X nutball?

Aaron McCollum is a third generation member of Project Talent, the MKUltra program used to develop psychic warriors and supersoldiers by the secret government.

[Cogburn]

Bullshit.

Project Talent is a large, nationally representative longitudinal study of men and women who were in high school in 1960 and who are now in their sixties. Conducted by the American Institutes for Research (AIR), Project Talent began as a major national effort to assess the aspirations and abilities of America's young men and women. Initiated in 1957, with support from the Cooperative Research Program in the U.S. Office of Education and several other government agencies, Project Talent collected extensive information on characteristics and cognitive abilities of approximately 377,000 individuals in 1960 when they were in high school and in subsequent follow-up studies through age 29.

The American Institutes for Research is currently conducting feasibility studies for future follow-up surveys. Please contact us for additional information.

[skunk]

Hey, I never said he was actually a psychic warrior :D or anything he said was true.

[Cogburn]

Liar.

You're his biggest fan.

[hp]

So this is what CTers/UFOers do when they get old...

COuld it be that in the survey he wished he had been part of MKULTRA and decides 'why not'

[skunk]

Liar.

You're his biggest fan.

Ok ok I admit it, you've outed me.

[GeneralStriker]

http://kaosradioaustin.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4276&g2_serialNumber=1

[Cogburn]

I wonder if his tattoos and piercings help him tune into the psychic vibe.

[anarch]

The moon is populated by the moonites.

[century]

Why do these people all have crazy-eye?
http://i46.tinypic.com/bdqudd.jpg

Appears he might have been hitting the crystal pipe with Carrie and Bill that morning:)
Or maby to much coffee.

Is striker one of boycott's socks or is it visa~versa?

[century]

He should have released this before the Yemen troubles and pirates. He might have gotten more believers chasing it.

I agree, but I am a wondering whether the pirates shindig was a false flag operation.

[Cogburn]

I agree, but I am a wondering whether the pirates shindig was a false flag operation.

Think about it one step further.

Why are there pirates? Because there is a plethora of commercial shipping under the flags of a dozen nations.

There's no evidence at all that this is a "no go" area.

[skunk]

Is striker one of boycott's socks or is it visa~versa?

Does it really matter? All you need to know is there's one person behind all of the socks.

[century]

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/smart_1/moon_northpole.jpg

[century]

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/6.jpg


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/5.jpg

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/images/content/368861main_panorama-at-shorty-crater_226.jpghttp://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/images/content/368643main_panorama-at-shorty-crater.jpg

[Cogburn]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3304/3584594003_21621d50d6_o.jpg

[century]

10 pm - 2 am PT
The Future of NASA (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/03/04)

C2C Science Advisor Richard C. Hoagland (http://www.enterprisemission.com/) is joined by Charles Boyle (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/boyle-charles/44172), David M. Livingston (http://www.thespaceshow.com/), Jim McDade (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/mcdade-jim/44173) for a discussion of where NASA is headed and the complex forces which are affecting our very future in space now.


Rite now bitches:popcorn:

[Cogburn]

Live stream (http://www.55krc.com/pages/streaming.html)

[century]

Live stream (http://www.55krc.com/pages/streaming.html)

Grassy ass Amigo:joker:

[KIWI]

check it out cent :) all those transcripts are available from NASA... I got a link here somewhere......

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[KIWI]

this is interesting , Pink Floyd were onto it :)......but the latter parts of the A10 transcripts are a hoot... just before re-entry :)
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[Lexion]

Any NASA transcripts ?

[KIWI]

Any NASA transcripts ?

:)
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/mission_transcripts.htm

[GeneralStriker]

fuck. hiya kiwi. i just escaped from the nigger and fagot thread. whew. on an on and on it goes over there.

[Lexion]

:)
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/mission_transcripts.htm

The precise page, please.

[KIWI]

The precise page, please.

jeziiez!.... spoon-fed or what!...... I havnt been through the whole thing yet, spent a while at the re-entry end ...... turds loose, floating in the space-ship!

if I find the section before you I will post the page num....
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/apollo10.htm




fuck. hiya kiwi. i just escaped from the nigger and fagot thread. whew. on an on and on it goes over there.


hey mate! :) yeah, too much of that aint healthy!

[boycotteverything]

jeziiez!.... spoon-fed or what!...... I havnt been through the whole thing yet, spent a while at the re-entry end ...... turds loose, floating in the space-ship!

if I find the section before you I will post the page num....
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/apollo10.htm






hey mate! :) yeah, too much of that aint healthy!
yeah. it was making me ill.

[KIWI]

this is the A10 trans.... in PDF


http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS10_CM.PDF

[century]

this is the A10 trans.... in PDF


http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS10_CM.PDF

Dont make it easy :bigsmurf:

[century]

492

[KIWI]

page 109 they are discussing the "brown" "dirty sand" color

[century]

Ism feeling outshined
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[KIWI]

The precise page, please.


page 243,...of 506,.... hope you appereciate Ive spent all sunday arvo reading through this,


again, the PDF of A10 transcripts is here... http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS10_CM.PDF

[Cogburn]

+1 for defending your shit successfully, KIWI.

[KIWI]

lots of interesting comments through-out that doc, I enjoy the detail , the nuts and bolts of it all, ..... and will read the whole damn lot, from the Gemini series.... right through to A17 :)

[KIWI]

also page 272 , on that PDF (page 270 on the original doc) LMP Cernan says ......

[KIWI]

so Lex.... had a chance to check it out?

[century]

so Lex.... had a chance to check it out?

Lex probably doesn't follow his own links, surely not the ones on the crazy moon thread

[Chorlton]

All this wailing and wringing of hands? for what? Nothing.
With probably thousands of telescopes aimed at the moon every night you might think they would see something? Nope.
Why doesnt nasa or anyone else post close ups of the moon?
Simple, because theres nothing there other than rocks and dust and crashed spacecraft from Earth.
Occams Razor comes into play.

Like I said in another thread, people like Lear should be shot due to the utter bullshit they spread which is then picked up by others with little knowledge of simple logic.

[Lexion]

Yeah, I read it.

Didn't see any evidence.

[skunk]

Like I said in another thread, people like Lear should be shot due to the utter bullshit they spread which is then picked up by others with little knowledge of simple logic.

Lear is a comedian, just laugh at him.

[Chorlton]

Lear is a comedian, just laugh at him.
I do
Unfortunately others dont, they believe him

[century]

You shouldn't get so hard off on John Lear, hes one of many who dont have all the answers.

[skunk]

Nobody has all the answers century.

[century]

Nobody has all the answers century.


JL=just one of many:rasta:

[Chorlton]

You shouldn't get so hard off on John Lear, hes one of many who dont have all the answers.

Thats his and others problem, they dont have the answers and lack the capability of logical thought, so they make it up.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Lear believes any of the shit he spouts. It is done for money and the adoration/interest he gets. He knows its total bullshit, but it brings money and fame in, something he desires.

[Yex]

John Lear ıs skınt! how does he get money out of thıs?

He belıeves ın Lazar

George Knapp belıeves ın Lazar

"ducks and runs for cover........................."

[Chorlton]

John Lear ıs skınt! how does he get money out of thıs?


You believe that? You believe he doesnt get paid for articles he writes, for radio interviews for TV interviews? For appearances?

I admit its probably not a lot but I suspect it puts food on his table
Apart from which I did say money wasnt the only reason, he loves the fawning adoration the fuckwits give him

[boycotteverything]

plus he still has the buck his old man left him.

[MrPenny]

Unfortunately others dont, they believe him

I don't blame J. Lear for that.....if it wasn't him, the numbnuts that soak that shit up would find a different source for goofiness. I'd rather they be gulled by a known clown than some nameless scary fucker with a pitcher of kool aid.

[mojo]

I don't blame J. Lear for that.....if it wasn't him, the numbnuts that soak that shit up would find a different source for goofiness. I'd rather they be gulled by a known clown than some nameless scary fucker with a pitcher of kool aid.

imo sleeper was l a lot more dangerous than JL. i'm certain that scumbag was intentionally cultivating impressionable kids.

[Yex]

Lear was cut off by the old man, he gets fuck all.......

does Camelot or Coast to Coast pay hım?

not a lot

as Paul Danıels would say

The forum stuff ıs ego massagıng as you say, bless hıs cotton socks ın hıs old age

But he was connected ın hıs day

ıs Lazar back on the ınsıde now?

Knapp belıeves Lazar

I respect Knapp

forget the exaggerated credentıals

The sort of guy they would hıre for S4 would be your rocketcar buıldıng teen

Not your Straıght A borıng unıversıty twat

meh

[Lexion]

I too find a conundrum in Lazar.

How does someone that supposedly
outed the saucer tech at Groom,
start his own business and get some
Govt. contracts ?

[MrPenny]

imo sleeper was l a lot more dangerous than JL. i'm certain that scumbag was intentionally cultivating impressionable kids.

Precisely why I put so much effort into making his life at ATS miserable.

[MrPenny]

Lear was cut off by the old man, he gets fuck all.......

How do you know that for certain? Because he said so?

[mojo]

Precisely why I put so much effort into making his life at ATS miserable.

i did too in the early days of that thread, and was then warned off by springer. they protected that fucker like no other when that thread was receiving massive views, you could not even fart in its general vicinity without springer breaking into a cold sweat.

[Chorlton]

I too find a conundrum in Lazar.

How does someone that supposedly
outed the saucer tech at Groom,
start his own business and get some
Govt. contracts ?

See Also:
How does someone as brain dead and currupt as George W Bush get to become president.

[boycotteverything]

See Also:
How does someone as brain dead and currupt as George W Bush get to become president.
the same way as Tony Blair. :lol:

[Chorlton]

I could never ever get sleeper to reply to any questions I posed to him.
Strange?

[Chorlton]

the same way as Tony Blair. :lol:
Possibly but Blair was well educated, and only became corrupt after meeting Bush

[mojo]

I could never ever get sleeper to reply to any questions I posed to him.
Strange?

sleeper used typical deflection techniques towards skeptical posters but was the warmhearted good samaritan to the poor souls he sucked into his web of lies.
the guy was pure scum.

[Lexion]

sleeper used typical deflection techniques towards skeptical posters but was the warmhearted good samaritan to the poor souls he sucked into his web of lies.
the guy was pure scam.

fixt

[Yex]

I too find a conundrum in Lazar.

How does someone that supposedly
outed the saucer tech at Groom,
start his own business and get some
Govt. contracts ?

That got sideswiped a bit quickly, didnt it?

dont mention the Lazar Conundrum forcrissakes

[Lexion]

Think the contracts might be
hush money ?

[Chorlton]

Maybe the man is actually good at something other than pulling his pudding ?

[Yex]

Dunno mate

but he hates Ufers

Goggle eyed freak

[Chorlton]

But Hush money? He has no evidence of his alleged sighting, if he had, he would have played that card before now, and Loopy Lear would have crowed about it.

[Lexion]

But Hush money? He has no evidence of his alleged sighting, if he had, he would have played that card before now, and Loopy Lear would have crowed about it.

Be that as it may, he (allegedly)
got fired because of the incident.

Why would the Govt. turn around
and award him contracts ?

[Chorlton]

Like I said, maybe he's the best and cheapest man for the job?
Could be the easiest answer is the right one?

[Lexion]

Fair enough.

But it seems he would have to
get his clearance back, depending
on what the contracts are.

[century]

http://mundohostil.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dadbobmarileeavh2.png?w=400&h=380