NO Alien Technology Required!

[mojo]

Just a few examples of how ingenous our ancestors were.

Tiwanaku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiwanaku)

Tiwanaku’s location between the lake and dry highlands provided key resources of fish, wild birds, plants, and herding grounds for camelidae, particularly llamas.[5] The Titicaca Basin is the most productive environment in the area with predictable and abundant rainfall, which the Tiwanaku culture learned to harness and use in their farming. As one goes further east, the Altiplano is an area of very dry arid land.[4] The high altitude Titicaca Basin required the development of a distinctive farming technique known as "flooded-raised field" agriculture (sukakollos). They comprised a significant percentage of the agriculture in the region, along with irrigated fields, pasture, terraced fields and qochas (artificial ponds)[4] farming. Artificially raised planting mounds are separated by canals filled with water. The canals supply moisture for growing crops, but they also absorb heat from solar radiation during the day. This heat is gradually emitted during the bitterly cold nights that often produce frost, endemic to the region, providing thermal insulation. Traces of landscape management were also found in the Llanos de Moxos region (Amazonian food plains of the Moxos).[6] Over time, the canals also were used to farm edible fish, and the resulting canal sludge was dredged for fertilizer. The fields grew to cover nearly the entire surface of the lake[citation needed] and although they were not uniform in size or shape, all had the same primary function.[7]
Though labor-intensive, llanos de mojos produce impressive yields. While traditional agriculture in the region typically yields 2.4 metric tons of potatoes per hectare, and modern agriculture (with artificial fertilizers and pesticides) yields about 14.5 metric tons per hectare, suka kollu agriculture yields an average of 21 tons per hectare.[8]

Approximately 1500 years ago the Tiwanaku culture was able to produce a larger agricultural yield than we are today despite our technology, fertilizers and pesticides.
No Alien tech required.


Suspension Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge)

The suspended-deck suspension bridge is one of the older forms of suspension bridge. Lacking a sufficiently level and stable deck, most simple suspension bridges are not suited for modern roads and railroads. Advances in materials and design led to the development of the suspended deck bridge, a modern bridge capable of carrying vehicles and light rail. In the late 7th Century, the Mayan empire had the earliest known suspended-deck suspension bridge, the Maya Bridge at Yaxchilan.

Aeolipile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile)

The aeolipile is considered to be the first recorded steam engine or reaction steam turbine.[5] The name – derived from the Greek words "aeolos" and "pila" – translates to "the ball of Aeolus"; Aeolus being the Greek god of the wind.

The aeolipile consists of a vessel (usually a "simple" solid of revolution, such as a sphere or a cylinder) arranged to rotate on its axis, with bent or curved nozzles projecting from it (tipjets), through which steam is expelled. These nozzles generate thrust due to the rocket principle[6] (which is a consequence of the 2nd and 3rd of Newton's laws of motion). When the nozzles produce forces that are perpendicular to the axis of the bearings, and arranged so that the thrusts act in different directions, the thrusts combine to result in a couple, and the resulting torque then causes the device to start to spin. Aerodynamic drag, and frictional forces in the bearings, build up quickly with increasing rpm, oppose the accelerating torque, and eventually cancel it out. The rpm at which the forces cancel out governs the steady state rpm.
Typically, and as Hero described the device, the water is heated in a simple boiler which forms part of a stand for the rotating vessel. Where this is the case the boiler is connected to the rotating chamber by a pair of pipes that also serve as the pivots for the chamber. Alternatively the rotating chamber may itself serve as the boiler, and this arrangement greatly simplifies the pivot/bearing arrangements, as they then do not need to pass steam.



Some other marvellous, magnificent, ingenous, very human discoveries, inventions and insights.

Vastu Shastra, the Indian Science of Construction.

In the 3rd century the Chinese were building ships capable of carrying up to 700 people and 250 tons of Cargo.

The Great Pyramids.

The Lighthouse of Pharos, it's light was said to be visible up to 70 kilometres away and may have in fact been a wonderful example of ancient electroplating, though the evidence for this is slim.

Sumer and the many inventions that great culture gifted to mankind, not just the wheel, but law and writing and agricultural advancements and also possibly electroplating and perhaps even telescopes.

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The Indus civilization and their canals and plumbing, drainage and sewers.

Egyptian mariners who used rope trusses to stiffen the beam of ships, unknown again until modern engineering.

Hundreds, if not thousands of other examples of man's ingenuity.

I don't disallow that there may have been in our very distant past other civilizations that we know nothing of, even allow for the possibility of visitations from aliens, but the evidence and proof of our ingenuity and intelligence and curiousity is far stronger than the evidence of "goat shit dumb humans being gifted technology" from anywhere else.
If Aliens had of turned up at Tiwanaku, or in Egypt or Greece or India or China or Mesopotamia or anywhere else where we have achieved greatness wouldn't they have written the plans down for us on something other than papyrus, or clay tablets, or chiselled into stone, they flew here from the stars for christsake.

[boycotteverything]

Hundreds, if not thousands of other examples of man's ingenuity.
Not the least astonishing of which are vimanas. Boeing eat yer heart out.

[century]

Our Ancestors were aliens, we are the aliens

[mojo]

Our Ancestors were aliens, we are the aliens

Yup, we are all star stuff, on that i agree.

[boycotteverything]

Yeah- but how many tens of thousands of years does it take to be considered a native?

[Bitchkoma]

3.14 thousand.

[Jackinthebox]

Not required perhaps, but without proof as to how these things were built, the possibility remains that there are explanations that do not fit into our modern perceptions of the advance of civilization. Pumapunku is the one that really blows my mind. And of course the jury is still out on a lot of other things listed in the OP.

[skunk]

It was all done by the greys, haven't you learned anything mojo? Humans are primitive.

[Cogburn]

If our civilization were to end in the next 1,000 years, how much evidence of our "advancement" would be left in 10,000 years? 100,000 years?

Attributing such technological prowess to the intervention of gods is to undersell human ingenuity.

Beyond medicine, communication and space travel (maybe), have we really advanced very far in 15,000 years?

Even the most advanced theories in quantum physics can be reduced to mathematical permutations of the I Ching.

We still know nothing.

[Snow Crash]

Klingons built Stonehenge

[century]

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[Cogburn]

Exactly.

If they've found anything on the Moon... They've found us.

[mojo]

Not required perhaps, but without proof as to how these things were built,

there is proof of how the things in my OP were built, in fact they can replicate the artificial pond farming at tiwanaku, we just can't do it as well as our ancestors.
there is more proof that we were ingeneuous enough to build these artifacts than there is that a ship from sirius dropped by with architectural plans and middle management supervisors to help our ancestors build it.

was there advanced civilizations 100,000 or a million years ago, i don't know, but there is evidence that up to 15000 years ago we were building and inventing artifacts that have helped our race advance beyond simple hunter/gatherers, there is NO evidence that we had outside help.

[Cogburn]

Not required perhaps, but without proof as to how these things were built,

there is proof of how the things in my OP were built, in fact they can replicate the artificial pond farming at tiwanaku, we just can't do it as well as our ancestors.
there is more proof that we were ingeneuous enough to build these artifacts than there is that a ship from sirius dropped by with architectural plans and middle management supervisors to help our ancestors build it.

was there advanced civilizations 100,000 or a million years ago, i don't know, but there is evidence that up to 15000 years ago we were building and inventing artifacts that have helped our race advance beyond simple hunter/gatherers, there is NO evidence that we had outside help.
... not to mention ... what everyone conveniently ignores is the 5,000 years of artifacts indicating how it got to that point where cultures evolved into civilizations we'd recognize.

We know civilization resets. We know that there were advanced stonework structures on coastlines that haven't existed in 30,000 years (off the coast of Japan, for instance). We also know that 20,000 years ago we were emerging from a hunter-gatherer state.

What happened?

[Bitchkoma]

I'm thinking disease. Temperature was cooler then, this lead to sea levels dropping and so many previously isolated communities become linked via land bridges. Each was only adapted to defend against the microbes from their point of origin. It doesn't take a lot to start a pandemic. We've had many in our own recorded history.

[Royal]

Something tells me we are turning into robots, rather than spiritual beings. Does everyone concur?

[KIWI]

Not required perhaps, but without proof as to how these things were built,

there is proof of how the things in my OP were built, in fact they can replicate the artificial pond farming at tiwanaku, we just can't do it as well as our ancestors.
there is more proof that we were ingeneuous enough to build these artifacts than there is that a ship from sirius dropped by with architectural plans and middle management supervisors to help our ancestors build it.

was there advanced civilizations 100,000 or a million years ago, i don't know, but there is evidence that up to 15000 years ago we were building and inventing artifacts that have helped our race advance beyond simple hunter/gatherers, there is NO evidence that we had outside help.
... not to mention ... what everyone conveniently ignores is the 5,000 years of artifacts indicating how it got to that point where cultures evolved into civilizations we'd recognize.

We know civilization resets. We know that there were advanced stonework structures on coastlines that haven't existed in 30,000 years (off the coast of Japan, for instance). We also know that 20,000 years ago we were emerging from a hunter-gatherer state.

What happened?

we got snotted by a big "googly" from space.......sorted :shock:

[KIWI]

what do you think........natural?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080222-lost-city.html
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After the initial report of the find, experts from the Peruvian government's Cusco-based National Institute of Culture (INC) arrived at the site and issued their findings in a February 12 report.

In the four-page report, the researchers deliver what one INC official described as "alarming news": Natural chemical and physical processes, including seismic activity, created the stone blocks found at the site, causing them to "appear to be walls or surfaces made by hand," the report states.

The team found "no evidence of archaeological structures or buildings … that could suggest a human presence," it adds.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/8987692/Mysteries-of-Ancient-South-America
:scratch:

[Jackinthebox]

Not required perhaps, but without proof as to how these things were built,

there is proof of how the things in my OP were built, in fact they can replicate the artificial pond farming at tiwanaku, we just can't do it as well as our ancestors.
there is more proof that we were ingeneuous enough to build these artifacts than there is that a ship from sirius dropped by with architectural plans and middle management supervisors to help our ancestors build it.

was there advanced civilizations 100,000 or a million years ago, i don't know, but there is evidence that up to 15000 years ago we were building and inventing artifacts that have helped our race advance beyond simple hunter/gatherers, there is NO evidence that we had outside help.

But there IS evidence that civilization as we know it, is far from being the whole picture. The OOPARTS. Now I'm not married to the idea of intervention from aliens, but I do think that we are being deliberately led into a narrow view of the reality of our very existence. I find it equally plauseable that civilization as we know it, was not the only one to ever exist on Earth, for example. That perhaps at some point in antiquity, humanity had reached a zenith even far greater than what we see today. I have also entertained the possibility that we ourselves are the visitors. That perhaps we escaped the dieing world of Mars to use Earth as a lifeboat in the cosmos. Again, not ideas I'm sold on by any means. But at the same time, if I found further evidence to support such theories, I would not be so shocked as to rule out such conclusions out of hand.

[mojo]

which is why i said this in my OP.


I don't disallow that there may have been in our very distant past other civilizations that we know nothing of, even allow for the possibility of visitations from aliens, but the evidence and proof of our ingenuity and intelligence and curiousity is far stronger than the evidence of "goat shit dumb humans being gifted technology" from anywhere else.


:D

[Jackinthebox]

I'm thinking disease. Temperature was cooler then, this lead to sea levels dropping and so many previously isolated communities become linked via land bridges. Each was only adapted to defend against the microbes from their point of origin. It doesn't take a lot to start a pandemic. We've had many in our own recorded history.

I think it was a supernova. Busted up Earth so bad that we now have these tectonic plates constantly moving around. Obliterated life on Mars. And completely shattered another planet in our solar system. Probably about ten or eleven thousands years ago.

[Jackinthebox]

Something tells me we are turning into robots, rather than spiritual beings. Does everyone concur?

Maybe we have been robots all along. But that would probably lead us back to "aliens" or some sort of superior being having engineered us for some as yet unknown purpose.

[Jackinthebox]

And just another quick note for a moment. Even if all of our ssemingly odd technogies and ancient sites can be explained as being strictly the work of human ingenuity, that still does not rule the possibility of extraterrestial visitations and tampering. Perhaps they did not give us technology, but actually came to take it away, as in the story of the Tower of Babel for example. Again, just possibilities here.

[Bitchkoma]

I'm thinking disease. Temperature was cooler then, this lead to sea levels dropping and so many previously isolated communities become linked via land bridges. Each was only adapted to defend against the microbes from their point of origin. It doesn't take a lot to start a pandemic. We've had many in our own recorded history.

I think it was a supernova. Busted up Earth so bad that we now have these tectonic plates constantly moving around. Obliterated life on Mars. And completely shattered another planet in our solar system. Probably about ten or eleven thousands years ago.

That don't make sense. Plate tectonics are essential for matter recycling, essential for land build up, otherwise we'd all still be ocean creatures. Plus they've been going on way before 10-11k years.

[Jackinthebox]

That don't make sense. Plate tectonics are essential for matter recycling, essential for land build up, otherwise we'd all still be ocean creatures. Plus they've been going on way before 10-11k years.

My bad, I didn't word that very well. I didn't mean that there weren't tectonics before, but that they became hyper-active, and did more re-shaping of the Earth as opposed to the inordinate amount of credit given to the ice age.

[Bitchkoma]

Is there any evidence for this geologically active period that coincided with the last ice age?

[Jackinthebox]

Is there any evidence for this geologically active period that coincided with the last ice age?

I'm no geologist, I admit. But I would say mountains, plateaus, islands, etc are evidence.

[Bitchkoma]

Not very clear evidence, though. They did have mountains, mesas, plateaus and islands before humans entered the scene. But ignoring that for a while, I'd imagine that if a supernova did cause high-energy particles to interfere with the Earth's plate tectonics, those same particles would definitely interfere with the genome. As far as I can recall, I haven't come across anything that mentions an anomaly circa 10k BCE. There was an anomaly at 70-75k years ago though; apparently the human population dropped to about 1k breeding pairs due to a supervolcano eruption.

[Jackinthebox]

Not very clear evidence, though. They did have mountains, mesas, plateaus and islands before humans entered the scene. But ignoring that for a while, I'd imagine that if a supernova did cause high-energy particles to interfere with the Earth's plate tectonics, those same particles would definitely interfere with the genome. As far as I can recall, I haven't come across anything that mentions an anomaly circa 10k BCE. There was an anomaly at 70-75k years ago though; apparently the human population dropped to about 1k breeding pairs due to a supervolcano eruption.

I've heard as little as a hundred individuals actually. But as far as I know the supervolcano explanation is specualtion.

EDIT to add: And yes, there were mountains and all of that before people, most likely, but not in the shape we see today.

[Cogburn]

Supernova? Jesus Christ.

Supervolcanos in combination with ice ages are more likely candidates.

Are tectonic plates sliding under one another or is the Earth itself expanding? Still can't shake that theory. Granted it has little to do with this thread as it would take millions of years for noticeable expansion, well outside the confines of human existence.

[KIWI]

Im sure a volcano can "blow" from pressure's due to the internal influences of the earth, but also be triggered by the intervention of the earths rotation caused by a hit or near-miss from a rouge space-body, the tricky bit is trying to show which events were a result of what cause, the end result, the eruption of the volcano, is the only known fact

[Cogburn]

Im sure a volcano can "blow" from pressure's due to the internal influences of the earth, but also be triggered by the intervention of the earths rotation caused by a hit or near-miss from a rouge space-body, the tricky bit is trying to show which events were a result of what cause, the end result, the eruption of the volcano, is the only known fact
Yes and no.... we know the Earth's rotation has been pretty stable for at least 2 billion years. It's surmised that it was a massive impact that gave the Earth its tilt. It's also surmised that the rotation of the Earth on it's axis is what gives it its oblate spheroid shape. A massive incoming object would cause perturbations in the wobble and orbit of the planet that would be mathematically revealed. Since none have been proven to exist, the near-miss or massive impact theory altering the orbit or tilt (other than the big one 2 billion years ago) goes out the window.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM...........

Does centripetal force working on the molten core of the Earth cause the Earth to expand and given the mass of the Earth doesn't change (since mass can't be created from no where), does that mean that there is a hollow space at the core of the Earth to account for the expansion? One might postulate that, without some sort of ventilation, such a hole in the core of the Earth would then be under tremendous vacuum pressures, eventually reaching a state of equilibrium with the centripetal force, halting the expansion of the planet.

I love that theory. It makes for so much fun speculation and is almost physically plausible.

[Jackinthebox]

Supernova? Jesus Christ.

Supervolcanos in combination with ice ages are more likely candidates.

Are tectonic plates sliding under one another or is the Earth itself expanding? Still can't shake that theory. Granted it has little to do with this thread as it would take millions of years for noticeable expansion, well outside the confines of human existence.

Well, I will concede that there is a case to be made there as well, but ice age and supervolacano would not explain the rapid and global cataclysm that we may be looking at. Everthing from the sky falling, partial atmospheric collapse as may be evidenced by the flash freezing of creatures such as the Mammoths. To highly advanced cities being reduced to their foundations, and buried under seas and mountains, around the globe. Super-quake would do this, not supervolcano. Volocano would have done localized damage for certain, even across a large portion of a continent, but the most dramatic effect of such a volcano would be the blotting out of the sun, and burying the world in ash, actually leaving a clearer record, not destroying the record.

Then of course there is the evidence beyond Earth. Some scientists support that there may have been running water on Mars as recently as 10 or 20 thousand years ago. And the mythological extra planet. Which at some point the asteroid belt was quite possibly a planet at one point. The strange anomalies of our own Moon might even play into this all somewhere.

[Cogburn]

It need not be Hollywood-style instant destruction.

Assume the Earth were entering an ice age anyway and a supervolcano explodes. The resulting ash cloud that envelopes the Earth would only hasten the onset of such an ice age.

Instead of taking 20 years for the onset of the ice age, it only took 10 and it was four times as intense.

10 minutes or 10 years the result is the same: civilization is utterly destroyed and the only reminders left are the ones carried on the backs of those that fled the destruction...

[Jackinthebox]

It need not be Hollywood-style instant destruction.

Assume the Earth were entering an ice age anyway and a supervolcano explodes. The resulting ash cloud that envelopes the Earth would only hasten the onset of such an ice age.

Instead of taking 20 years for the onset of the ice age, it only took 10 and it was four times as intense.

10 minutes or 10 years the result is the same: civilization is utterly destroyed and the only reminders left are the ones carried on the backs of those that fled the destruction...

Civilization would cease to exist, I agree, but not be outright destroyed with the exception of the few oddball remains we have found in the archaeological record. If it had all just been buried under ash and ice, I would have expected to find a lot more of it.

And we are talking about a suddenness even more drastic than even such a short span of a few years, with things like the example of the Mammoth, flash-frozen in place with tropical vegetation in its stomach.

[Cogburn]

Not just ash and ice... it's quite a bit more than that.

It's the same forces that carved out the fjords of Norway.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H1KBN_lPevE/SGBZQZWwqEI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/lhbeMml5s98/s400/norway_fjords_1.jpg

Add in attendant sea level rise when the ice melts, plus humanity's natural urge to cannibalize whatever they can find.... how much would be left after 100,000 years?

[Jackinthebox]

Not just ash and ice... it's quite a bit more than that.

It's the same forces that carved out the fjords of Norway.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H1KBN_lPevE/SGBZQZWwqEI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/lhbeMml5s98/s400/norway_fjords_1.jpg

Add in attendant sea level rise when the ice melts, plus humanity's natural urge to cannibalize whatever they can find.... how much would be left after 100,000 years?

This still doesn't factor in evertything else I noted, but you make a plauseable case nonetheless, of course. In fact, even if "my" idea were true, it still doesn't rule out your stance, and vise-versa.

And just for the record, when I said "I think it was a supernova" that was more for the purposes of discussion than a certainty in my book. And while I still think it is totally possible, even likely, I have no way to prove that is the case. Just some interesting stuff to think about.

[KIWI]

Yes and no.... we know the Earth's rotation has been pretty stable for at least 2 billion years.

oh really ? a pole flip would not be a result of an interupted rotation ?

[Jackinthebox]

Yes and no.... we know the Earth's rotation has been pretty stable for at least 2 billion years.

oh really ? a pole flip would not be a result of an interupted rotation ?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we've had a few pole shifts in the last 2 billion years. And I am abosultely certain that the pole has wandered quite a bit just in our lifetimes, which in itself is actually pretty amazing really.

[KIWI]

Yes and no.... we know the Earth's rotation has been pretty stable for at least 2 billion years.

oh really ? a pole flip would not be a result of an interupted rotation ?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we've had a few pole shifts in the last 2 billion years. And I am abosultely certain that the pole has wandered quite a bit just in our lifetimes, which in itself is actually pretty amazing really.
I dont think cog would dispute the wandering poles superjack, but a full reversal is a different matter, there is apparently some ancient pottery that shows the direction of the flow being opposite to what we have today, see if I can find something on it, we are only talking a few thousand years back

[Jackinthebox]

I dont think cog would dispute the wandering poles superjack, but a full reversal is a different matter, there is apparently some ancient pottery that shows the direction of the flow being opposite to what we have today, see if I can find something on it, we are only talking a few thousand years back

Yeah, there's been some other evidence too. And from what I have seen, even mainstream scientists seem open to the possibility.

I have long entertained the idea that Antarctica is actually Atlantis. But of course, if that is the case, the pole reversal wasn't quite a complete reversal.

[KIWI]

I dont think cog would dispute the wandering poles superjack, but a full reversal is a different matter, there is apparently some ancient pottery that shows the direction of the flow being opposite to what we have today, see if I can find something on it, we are only talking a few thousand years back

Yeah, there's been some other evidence too. And from what I have seen, even mainstream scientists seem open to the possibility.

I have long entertained the idea that Antarctica is actually Atlantis. But of course, if that is the case, the pole reversal wasn't quite a complete reversal.

it used to be in the name of "Evolution" that the enormous amounts of time were required so as to let give the theory some creedance, mainstream science does allow for more than one global disaster event to have occured, its just the time-frame that is the sticky point :thegeneral:

[Cogburn]

Wikipedia has a really good article on geomagnetic reversals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

The last one was about 780,000 years ago.

... and you know what would happen if the poles reversed?

Your compass would point the wrong way. That's it.

[KIWI]

... and you know what would happen if the poles reversed?



could we expect to hear a "beeping" sound just prior?

[Cogburn]

Only if it were on SciFi.... ooops... Syfy.

[Bitchkoma]

Are tectonic plates sliding under one another or is the Earth itself expanding?

Can it be both? About 40 tons of space dust fall onto the planet daily.

[KIWI]

how would Occams razor go as regards the disputed history of mankind?

[Ra187]

1 thing i think that everyone forgets is that the people back then didnt have all the distractions in life that we do. they pretty much had there work and a few pleasures if they were wealthy. when human minds can be soley focused on the task at hand ie. building the pyramids, great things can happen and usually do. if we as a culture now could show the kind of dedication the ancients did we might be able to actually fix something in this world instead of killing everything!

[mojo]

1 thing i think that everyone forgets is that the people back then didnt have all the distractions in life that we do. they pretty much had there work and a few pleasures if they were wealthy. when human minds can be soley focused on the task at hand ie. building the pyramids, great things can happen and usually do. if we as a culture now could show the kind of dedication the ancients did we might be able to actually fix something in this world instead of killing everything!

exactly.
pretty good 1st post, it's all down hill from here. :)

welcome to AmKon.

[Bitchkoma]

it's all down hill from here. :)

welcome to AmKon.

This is true. Aliens sexually molested me because of my affiliation with Amkon.

[mojo]

it's all down hill from here. :)

welcome to AmKon.

This is true. Aliens sexually molested me because of my affiliation with Amkon.

thats odd....i molested aliens because of my affiliation with amkon.

[Ra187]

Thank you for the welcome,
i have already may my peace with the aliens actually.
we have a mutual understanding that there will be no molestation on either part due to my affiliation with amkon.

We go way back..........

[mojo]

haha....cool, at least they listen to you.

how did you find us btw?

[boycotteverything]

Egyptian gods have a special sense.

[mojo]

Egyptian gods have a special sense.

apophis.

[Ra187]

We do have an few extra sense's compared to you mortals but my powers dont reach to the internet. (networking issues.....go figure) but neways i was informed to come here by a friend. i dont know his name on here but im searching..... i was gonna call him and ask but my phone broke....(lol gods have phones too)

[mojo]

sweet.

nice to have a new face around.

any probs or questions just flick me a pm.

[boycotteverything]

any probs or questions just flick me a pm.or alternatively just go to 'hot topics regularly updated.' but make sue you take a number- there seems to be a short wait. hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

St. Oned, is that you?

[Ra187]

Oh and i believe i found my friend, Eyeforalie.... i believe thats who i was told by to check this out....

[mojo]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=innovative-blades-may-hav

[offsite:1011lxar]Technological innovations have enabled human cultures to thrive, and now researchers have discovered what might be the oldest example known so far of such an occurrence. These ancient innovations are in the form of miniature stone blades, which appear to have contributed to a population boom in south Asia.

Recent genetic research of people across the globe suggests that roughly 45,000 to 20,000 years ago, one of the most dramatic population booms after humanity dispersed from Africa occurred in southern Asia, leading to "the highest population densities in the world in prehistory," explains Michael Petraglia, an archaeologist at the University of Oxford in England.[/offsite:1011lxar]



Microliths, which might have been parts of barbed weapons, "were a key innovation,"

[WITCH HUNT]

Jack in the Box wrote:

"Perhaps they did not give us technology, but actually came to take it away, as in the story of the Tower of Babel for example. Again, just possibilities here."

That is kind of a brilliant supposition actually. I mean what would we do if cows and chickens started running around with hammers and nails? how long would it take them before we ended up in pens and slaughterhouses? Always stay on top of the food chain! That's my motto!

EARTH, Come for the climate, stay for the food!

[Eyeforalie]

Oh and i believe i found my friend, Eyeforalie.... i believe thats who i was told by to check this out....


Yup. You found me. I probably should have given you my name. Ah well.

Welcome to AmKon, fucker ;)

oh yea, any questions shoot Foxtrot Oscar a pm.

[boycotteverything]

oh yea, any questions shoot Foxtrot Oscar a pm....but only if you enjoy snide, non-responsive insults.

[Eyeforalie]

BE, hes a friend of mine. Of course he enjoies snide insults.

And by the way...fuck you :)

[boycotteverything]

thanks man. i feel better now!

[mojo]

EARTH, Come for the climate, stay for the food!

haha...dash of sea salt and a tablespoon of curry powder...anything tastes good. :)

[Cogburn]

Taste's like chicken.
http://z.hubpages.com/u/429566_f496.jpg

[boycotteverything]

Yum!

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[WITCH HUNT]

Soylent Green was not the movie to see when you are ten years old. I didn't eat cookies, crackers or triscits for a fucking decade!

[mojo]

:confused:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/ancient_technology_sputnik.jpg


Located in the recently restored church of San Pietro, Montalcino, Italy, are three beautiful works of art. The one located immediately behind the alter is called the Glorification of the Eucharist and was painted just before 1600 AD by the very talented artist Ventura Salimbeni. What makes this painting both rare and unusual is the focal point which features a mechanical device that strongly resembles a satellite or observation drone. Although this has been refuted as nothing more than a creation globe there are a few points worth noting that challenge this rather high-handed dismissal. The device clearly has telescopic antenna, what appears to be a camera (or lens) as well as a spotlight.

[Ducky]

:confused:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/ancient_technology_sputnik.jpg


Located in the recently restored church of San Pietro, Montalcino, Italy, are three beautiful works of art. The one located immediately behind the alter is called the Glorification of the Eucharist and was painted just before 1600 AD by the very talented artist Ventura Salimbeni. What makes this painting both rare and unusual is the focal point which features a mechanical device that strongly resembles a satellite or observation drone. Although this has been refuted as nothing more than a creation globe there are a few points worth noting that challenge this rather high-handed dismissal. The device clearly has telescopic antenna, what appears to be a camera (or lens) as well as a spotlight.


Perhaps the reason for the 'antennae' (above pic) wasn't extra-terrestrial in origin.

Maybe someone was trying to bestow positive attributes of...

Acupuncture?

LMAO

[mojo]

other thing worth noting is that if it was painted pre 1600AD the predominate thinking then was that the world was flat then why would the painter depict the earth as a globe if thats what it is supposed to be?

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/ancient_technology_sputnik-1.jpg

the lens type thing certainly appears to painted 3 dimensionally so as too appear as though it is sticking out from the globe. the antennae thingy on the right also appears to be attached via somne sort of lug/bolt to the globe imo.

[Raptor Jesus]

It definitely seems to imply some sort of benevolent, high tech overseers for humanity.

[Red Skare]

other thing worth noting is that if it was painted pre 1600AD the predominate thinking then was that the world was flat then why would the painter depict the earth as a globe if thats what it is supposed to be?

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/mojo4sale/ancient_technology_sputnik-1.jpg

the lens type thing certainly appears to painted 3 dimensionally so as too appear as though it is sticking out from the globe. the antennae thingy on the right also appears to be attached via somne sort of lug/bolt to the globe imo.

Pytagoreans were saying the earth was round around 500BC, as a matter of fact i don't think there was any major "OMG EARTH IS FLAT BURN YOU FAGGOT" until the literalist Christians came along. Then everything kind of went downhill from there.

[Lexion]

Since we can't talk with the artist, how can
we really say what it's representing ?

The guy might have been using medicinal LSD.

[Red Skare]

Since we can't talk with the artist, how can
we really say what it's representing ?

The guy might have been using medicinal LSD.

Hey have you ever done medicinal LSD on medicinal WEED?

[Lexion]

Yes.

I cured sanity.

[Red Skare]

Yes.

I cured sanity.

Just imagine what it could do for single mothers.

[Lexion]

Find hallucinatory fathers ?

[Red Skare]

Find hallucinatory fathers ?

Probably, that is probably one of the reasons it is illegal to keep single mothers from getting the care they need.

[Lexion]

Single mothers need LSD !!!

[mojo]

Single mothers need LSD !!!

so do single dads. :p

[mojo]

Pytagoreans were saying the earth was round around 500BC, as a matter of fact i don't think there was any major "OMG EARTH IS FLAT BURN YOU FAGGOT" until the literalist Christians came along. Then everything kind of went downhill from there.


granted. sumerians also had figured out that the earth was a globe pre 1000bc but at that time in europe around 1600ad it was tantamount to heresy to suggest it.
btw i'm not suggesting that it is a satelite but it is definately a curious anomoly imo.

[Lexion]

It's a fucking painting.

[Red Skare]

It's a fucking painting.

OMG LIES!!! Why don't you just shoot all the single mothers while you are at it

[mojo]

OMG LIES!!! Why don't you just shoot all the single mothers while you are at it

only thing he'd shoot 'em with is his jizz!!

:D

[Red Skare]

And archeologists agree that it is
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