Pumapunku - How Did They Build It?

[Ducky]

Of all the many places that amaze me, this surely is a crowning glory to 'someone's achievement'.

The megolithic structures are beyond comparison. Engineers, in this day and age, have ceded the challenges to reproduce these magnificant buildings. Why?

Because it's 'physically impossible' to move the size of these stone monoliths with ANY available machinery that exists today.

The apertures between these blocks are so tight-fitting, that it is almost impossible to insert a single sheet of paper or razor blade in between them.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/CanuckyDucky/gatewayofthesun.jpg

Puma Punku (http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_6.htm) doesn’t look impressive: a hill as remains of an old pyramid and a large number of megalithic block of stone on the ground, evidently smashed by a devastating earthquake. However, closer inspection shows that these stone blocks have been fabricated with a very advanced technology. Even more surprising is the technical design of these blocks shown in the drawing below. All blocks fit together like interlocking building blocks.

Then...'WHO' created these structures?

We've been puzzling over this one for awhile.

Firstly, we have to ask ourselves these questions:

1. How old is this structure?
2. Who was prevelant/living at the time that this was created?
3. Who created them, and for what purpose?

If pyramids were more than difficult to create several thousand years ago, then how much more difficult would it have been to build Puma Punku?

Puma Punku is believed to have once contained a great wharf, and a massive four part structure. Yet all that remains today are megalithic ruins from some cataclysmic event in history. A great earthquake? A comet that came too close to the Earth? A worldwide flood? These are all possible causes to the destruction of the once great structure that is now the ruins of Puma Punku.

Not only is there evidence to support the claim of a cataclysmic flood, but there is even evidence to support the theory that people once lived there before such a flood even occurred. The suspected flood could have happened somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and there is scientific evidence of tools, bones, and other material within flood alluvia, which suggests that a civilized people were there prior to any flood. Other evidence, that being carvings of bearded people that are not Andean, have been recorded throughout the area.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Mysteries-Puma-Punku-in-Tiahuanaco

[Jackinthebox]

This one really blows my mind too. Thanks for the links OP.

[Ducky]

This one really blows my mind too. Thanks for the links OP.

You're quite welcome babes!

[pack3tg0st]

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http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/newpage1

Enjoy :P

It'll blow your mind... Its so simple you'll smack yourself in the head lol

[Ducky]

Ok Pack...gonna throw my scrawny ducky neck out on the limb again...(as usual)

You presented a 1/2 decent vid there my friend, I'm almost inclined to play poker with ya.

"I'll see YOUR vid...and raise the Coral Castle one.

I brought that one up for certain reasons. heh heh

Let's see if you catch on to my line of thinking babes?

[pack3tg0st]

LOL

I like Coral Castle...

Which vid are you talking about?

I know there are supposed witnesses that saw some fuckin weird shit while he was building the damn thing...

[Ducky]

LOL

I like Coral Castle...

Which vid are you talking about?

I know there are supposed witnesses that saw some fuckin weird shit while he was building the damn thing...

Jeese...there's so many.

But the question still remains in my last post above yours babes?

[pack3tg0st]

I think he stumbled on another method... not the same as the other guy's... but something that got the job done...

I don't think its anything supernatural... I think the wierd stuff people claimed to have seen was just a result of the "Secrecy" he shrouded around the project.

[Ducky]

I think he stumbled on another method... not the same as the other guy's... but something that got the job done...

I don't think its anything supernatural... I think the wierd stuff people claimed to have seen was just a result of the "Secrecy" he shrouded around the project.


Another 'method'?

Ed came from a foreign country. He was jilted by his love. He travelled across North America, and set up shop in Florida.

Ley lines? Otherwise?

Made a difference to him.

Some locals said they saw him 'singing' to the blocks that went to/from his truck. They hid in the shadows and said what they said. Ed purportedly used a 'tri-pod' to transport his blocks to this site (coral castle)

Seems it was just a ruse.

[Ducky]

Ed was a tiny frail old man (key words here)

How the fuckin hell did this individual do what he did....ALL BY HIMSELF?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

The stones of Puma Punku almost look to be cast of cement...

[pack3tg0st]

Eyewitness testimony surrounding stuff like this is really hard to believe...

Take this for example:

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212243865.shtml

[Ducky]

The stones of Puma Punku almost look to be cast of cement...

Did the ancients use 'cement' back when Cap'n?

[boycotteverything]

never underestimate the native genius of construction workers. they don't need no steenking ETs to create amazing structures. i've spent my entire life among them and can attest to our ability to manipulate materials. the guy in Pac's vid is a perfect example. square hands and imagination can accomplish anything. Socrates was a stone cutter.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

[offsite:2z1xqcqo]Ever since civilizations first started to build, we've sought a material that would bind stones into a solid, formed mass. The Assyrians and Babylonians used clay for this purpose, and the Egyptians advanced to the discovery of lime and gypsum mortar as a binding agent for building such structures as the Pyramids.

The Greeks made further improvements and finally the Romans developed a cement that produced structures of remarkable durability.

Most of the building foundations in the Roman Forum were constructed of a form of concrete, placed in some locations to a depth of 12 feet. The great Roman baths built about 27 B.C., the Coliseum, and the huge Basilica of Constantine are examples of early Roman architecture in which cement mortar was used.

A History of Cement (http://www.rumford.com/articlemortar.html)[/offsite:2z1xqcqo]

It's been around awhile, lost and rediscovered...

[pack3tg0st]

The Assyrians and Babylonians used clay as cement.

The Egyptians used lime and gypsum cement.

[offsite=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article656117.ece:3qaylwub]Pyramids were built with concrete rather than rocks, scientists claim
Method used only at higher levels Blocks set using a limestone slurry[/offsite:3qaylwub]

[Jackinthebox]

The stones of Puma Punku almost look to be cast of cement...

A stone harder than granite actually, unable to even be carved with diamond tipped tools, and with a precision that requires laser technology, literally.

[Jackinthebox]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuE9bVqe8M

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

This one in particular:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/PumaPunkastone.jpg

[Jackinthebox]

This one in particular:

[img]http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/PumaPunkastone.jpg[img]

That is one of a whole series that interlocked. Watch the video I posted dude, it'll blow your mind.

[Ducky]

the question is guys?

how did these characters move MONOLITH SIZED BLOCKS when we can't do this today?

[pack3tg0st]

A monolith is a shape, not a size lol but aside from that...

Who says we can't move them today?

I just saw an old man move a stonehenge size block... just one dude...

Now, lets employ a team of people... and see what they can do.

[Ducky]

Apparently.....

The size and weight of these blocks can't be lifted by engineers today?

[Jackinthebox]

Apparently.....

The size and weight of these blocks can't be lifted by engineers today?

It's not just the lifting, its the overall engineering, the obvious machining of the diurite rock.

[Ducky]

Apparently.....

The size and weight of these blocks can't be lifted by engineers today?

It's not just the lifting, its the overall engineering, the obvious machining of the diurite rock.

THAT'S what I want to find out?!?!!??!

These ancients...cut a slab in a huge honkin sized granite piece, and it's sooooooo precise it's not fit.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

This one in particular:

[img]http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/PumaPunkastone.jpg[img]

That is one of a whole series that interlocked. Watch the video I posted dude, it'll blow your mind.

YouTube has been punk'd in my neck of the net off and on all day; anyone else having a problem with it?

[Jackinthebox]

A monolith is a shape, not a size lol but aside from that...

Who says we can't move them today?

I just saw an old man move a stonehenge size block... just one dude...

Now, lets employ a team of people... and see what they can do.

That is a good vid, I've seen it before. Get you thinking. But I'd really like to see him get one of those blocks up in the air high enough to lay horizontal across the other two blocks. Or in the case of Pumapunku, up high enough to be slid into place in the interlocking pattern.

[Jackinthebox]

YouTube has been punk'd in my neck of the net off and on all day; anyone else having a problem with it?

No problem here in NY.

[century]

Japan/Baalbek Megaliths

http://www.hottnez.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/2102079738_a3a9435fe5.jpg

There were giants in the earth in those days:viking:

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/japan-pyramid.jpg

[Jackinthebox]

Maybe this one will work embedded...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABPXvwevVA

[century]

http://www.biblemysteries.com/images/baalbek1.gif

[Ducky]

Never mind Sitchin!!!!!!!!

Christ almighty....look at the size of just one man against the size of those blocks?!!!?!?!?

Insane. :shock:

[century]

Technology possibly lost in the flood?

[Jackinthebox]

Apparently.....

The size and weight of these blocks can't be lifted by engineers today?

It's not just the lifting, its the overall engineering, the obvious machining of the diurite rock.

THAT'S what I want to find out?!?!!??!

These ancients...cut a slab in a huge honkin sized granite piece, and it's sooooooo precise it's not fit.

They didn't even know how to write, yet they could cut grooves in this rock that is harder than granite, only millimeters wide, to exactly the same depth for the entire length which also happened to be perfectly straight from one end to another.

[Ducky]

Technology possibly lost in the flood?

I was thinking that.

[century]

May have been the cat ducks of our ancient past

[Jackinthebox]

Technology possibly lost in the flood?

That's what I tend to believe. OOPARTS is what originally got me into conspiracy research on the internet. Not that extraterrestrial topics are ruled out by that mind you, but I think civilization has started and ended more than once on Earth.

[Ducky]

It's not just the lifting, its the overall engineering, the obvious machining of the diurite rock.

THAT'S what I want to find out?!?!!??!

These ancients...cut a slab in a huge honkin sized granite piece, and it's sooooooo precise it's not fit.

They didn't even know how to write, yet they could cut grooves in this rock that is harder than granite, only millimeters wide, to exactly the same depth for the entire length which also happened to be perfectly straight from one end to another.

EXACTLY!!!

I think I even mentioned that earlier on?

How could our ancient ancestors accomplish THAT feat?

[pack3tg0st]

Technology possibly lost in the flood?

Oh christ...
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[Ducky]

Technology possibly lost in the flood?

That's what I tend to believe. OOPARTS is what originally got me into conspiracy research on the internet. Not that extraterrestrial topics are ruled out by that mind you, but I think civilization has started and ended more than once on Earth.

Out of Place Artifacts

I'm a firm believer of that one,

Forbidden technology

[century]

http://seymourtotti.com/images/elephants_fucking.jpg


Not only the giant humanoids, but there were probably giant animals and reptiles back then that may have played a part in the construction of these things

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

A recycled rehash of ruin and renewal... and wtf is that; an elephant's dick?!

[mojo]

why do we always immediately presume our ancestors were as dumb as goat shit?

lets take machu picchu as an example.

the seams between blocks at machu picchu are also magnificent examples of stonemasonry. we have a pretty good idea how they achieved this sort of precision.
the blocks aren't "straight" exact fits but rather they are "concave" fits. to achieve this they would pound the blocks of stone with "hammer stones", usually river stones which created a fine powder on the surface, the other block would then be placed against it, the powder would show areas that then needed to be worn/chipped away to create a "perfect" fit. many of these monuments to lifetimes to finish, no need to rush, time could be taken to "get it right".
as for moving the large blocks, you could hardly think of a more inaccessable place to build than machu pichu, yet they were able to do so because of their wonderful ingenuity.
it's thought that they used a type of ladder system and levers to move the blocks rather than rollers, which would have been next to impossible due to the nature of the environment.

there are ways and means of doing everything imaginable.......as can be seen by the wonders our ancestors built.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

why do we always immediately presume our ancestors were as dumb as goat shit?

which created a fine powder on the surface, the other block would then be placed against it, the powder would show areas that then needed to be worn/chipped away to create a "perfect" fit.

The same way engineers these days use "Micrometer Blue"

Saying that I'm still 65% in favour of them having help from our little grey friends.

Fox

[boycotteverything]

they were able to do so because of their wonderful ingenuity. Of course that is obviously true. The arrogant stupidity betrayed by some of the posts on this thread blows my mind. Technology lost in the flood?? Mysterious supernatural interventions?? I guess that's why the gray aliens had to be recruited to build the Pantheon- not to mention St. Peter's. It's obvious that those dumb Romans and their ancestors were incapable of pulling it off after that damned flood wiped out all the smart people. Workers and engineers incapable of positioning heavy stone shapes? Obviously they could and did- as evidenced by the monuments they left us. The simple fact that you may be too ignorant and helpless to even construct a simple house does not mean that all people, of all times, share those same decadent qualities.

[boycotteverything]

This Amkon thread is germane to the subject. http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7523&p=112270#p112270 I suppose that in the end- nothing is possible, eh?

[Jackinthebox]

they were able to do so because of their wonderful ingenuity. Of course that is obviously true. The arrogant stupidity betrayed by some of the posts on this thread blows my mind. Technology lost in the flood?? Mysterious supernatural interventions?? I guess that's why the gray aliens had to be recruited to build the Pantheon- not to mention St. Peter's. It's obvious that those dumb Romans and their ancestors were incapable of pulling it off after that damned flood wiped out all the smart people. Workers and engineers incapable of positioning heavy stone shapes? Obviously they could and did- as evidenced by the monuments they left us. The simple fact that you may be too ignorant and helpless to even construct a simple house does not mean that all people, of all times, share those same decadent qualities.

The Pantheon was built in a much more modernized and advanced society, as was St. Peter's, etc. They were able to build on the technologies of their ancestors, instead of creating such a monument in an engineering/tecnhological vaccum. It's like finding a dual-core processor by Intel among the equipment left at the Lunar landing site. An OOPART. We have the entire weight of thousands of years of civilization and achievement, more man power than at any other time in the history of the world, yet we would be hard-pressed to build something like Pumapunku or the Pyramids, if we were even able to achieve it at all.

But let's assume for a moment that your hypothesis is entirely correct. That humans can create such wonderous technology in a vaccuum to achieve their desired ends. Which would have to be the case, since Pumpunku predates civilization by a larger span than the entirety of civilization as we know it from Sumer to the modern day. So there could have been no outside influences to speak of. No running branch of technology to build upon. So if this is possible, I would expect to see many more monuments of such skill and complexity, scattered throughout the archaeological record, over the last 2-300,000 years.

Now aside from all of that, it seems pretty obvious to me that the blocks of Pumapunku were machine engineered, supposedly by a people that didn't even know how to write.

[boycotteverything]

But let's assume for a moment that your hypothesis is entirely correct. That humans can create such wonderous technology in a vaccuumDid I ever assume a vacuum? I've referred only to 'progress.' Please don't attribute your assholeristic assumptions to me. You, sir, are the consummate disambiguate douchebag. If, in my 63 years, I've witnessed anything of importance, it is the ability of the human race to build- without supernal supervision.

[Jackinthebox]

But let's assume for a moment that your hypothesis is entirely correct. That humans can create such wonderous technology in a vaccuumDid I ever assume a vacuum? I've referred only to 'progress.' Please don't attribute your assholeristic assumptions to me. You, sir, are the consummate disambiguate douchebag. If, in my 63 years, I've witnessed anything of importance, it is the ability of the human race to build- without supernal supervision.

Boy o boy. You've suddenly turned into a fucking asshole today.

But anyway, back on topic here. Pumapunku is obviously not the product of any "progress" you might be referring to. It exists entirely outside the linear realm of civilization as we know it, and has no known predecessor by which a run-up to such an industrious achievement could have been based. In other words, it exists in a vaccuum.

Or are you telling us that it is the crowning achievement of thousands of years of continual "progress" to reach a zenith that surpasses that even of modern man?

[pack3tg0st]

Boy o boy. You've suddenly turned into a fucking asshole today.

Suddenly? LOL

90% of the people here are assholes 90% of the time lol

its what makes it fun! :P

[Jackinthebox]

Boy o boy. You've suddenly turned into a fucking asshole today.

Suddenly? LOL

90% of the people here are assholes 90% of the time lol

its what makes it fun! :P



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTVHwAdusE

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgEZhfXZMw

[century]

they were able to do so because of their wonderful ingenuity. Of course that is obviously true. The arrogant stupidity betrayed by some of the posts on this thread blows my mind. Technology lost in the flood?? Mysterious supernatural interventions?? I guess that's why the gray aliens had to be recruited to build the Pantheon- not to mention St. Peter's. It's obvious that those dumb Romans and their ancestors were incapable of pulling it off after that damned flood wiped out all the smart people. Workers and engineers incapable of positioning heavy stone shapes? Obviously they could and did- as evidenced by the monuments they left us. The simple fact that you may be too ignorant and helpless to even construct a simple house does not mean that all people, of all times, share those same decadent qualities.








I don't ever remember anybody saying the technology now is less efficient than in the past,
just that the tools used before the flood possibly haven't been replicated.

Nobody can prove who, or when alot of these monuments were built, its all an educated guess.
Some scientist don't trust carbon dating anyway so we don't know when they were built, sure as
hell cant assume humans existed as they do today.

Supernatural really isn't supernatural if you have never left the planet to find the true nature of all the cosmos,
nor can you assume the cosmos is the same as the earth, nor can you assume intelligent life-forms that have been to this planet were all human, really humans have no idea and can only ponder their true history, for now at least.

[Cogburn]

Nobody can prove who, or when alot of these monuments were built, its all an educated guess.
Some scientist don't trust carbon dating anyway so we don't know when they were built, sure as
hell cant assume humans existed as they do today.I don't think that this is an accurate statement, but I don't have the urge to linkspam alternatives. If I'm wrong someone will call me on it.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that the stones from megalithic monuments have been matched to quarries and the use of those quarries was accurately dated to within +/- a few hundred years.

[century]

Nobody can prove who, or when alot of these monuments were built, its all an educated guess.
Some scientist don't trust carbon dating anyway so we don't know when they were built, sure as
hell cant assume humans existed as they do today.I don't think that this is an accurate statement, but I don't have the urge to linkspam alternatives. If I'm wrong someone will call me on it.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that the stones from megalithic monuments have been matched to quarries and the use of those quarries was accurately dated to within +/- a few hundred years.





The Suess effect is dilution of the atmospheric concentrations of heavy isotopes of carbon (13C and 14C) by the admixture of large amounts of fossil-fuel derived CO2, which is depleted in 13CO2 and does not contain any 14CO2. It is named for the Austrian chemist Hans Suess, who noted the influence of this effect on the accuracy of radiocarbon dating. More recently, the Suess effect has been used in studies of climate change. The term originally referred only to dilution of atmospheric 14CO2. The concept was later extended to dilution of 13CO2 and to other reservoirs of carbon such as the oceans and soils.


Hey I'm not claiming accuracy, just saying everyone shouldn't be closed minded

[pack3tg0st]

...the tools used before the flood possibly haven't been replicated.

/facepalm


Nobody can prove who, or when alot of these monuments were built, its all an educated guess.
Some scientist don't trust carbon dating anyway so we don't know when they were built, sure as
hell cant assume humans existed as they do today.

fail...

radiocarbon Dating only works on organic material... However, radiometric dating isn't confined to just using carbon... Usually for stone and the likes, Uranium/lead carbon dating works... Uranium's decay into lead gives us TWO methods of dating for the price of one... first we have the Decay of Uranium into lead, and then the decay of the Lead 207...

Therefore, most scientists like this method... its like telling the time with two clocks instead of one... now, how inaccurate can it be if 98% of all samples date to the same time period using both methods?

I highly suggest you get off the "young earth" bandwagon... Not saying you believe in a young earth... but, the Christian Fundies are the source of all the bullshit claims that Radiometric dating doesn't work...


Supernatural really isn't supernatural if you have never left the planet to find the true nature of all the cosmos,
nor can you assume the cosmos is the same as the earth, nor can you assume intelligent life-forms that have been to this planet were all human, really humans have no idea and can only ponder their true history, for now at least.

So, start simple, then work to more complex...

Work on who built the damn things... there's no need to make a leap to "Aliens dun it". The laws of probability dictate that these monuments were built by humans using human technology...

Second, your debate fails... You're assuming some sort of higher tech was lost during a flood... Lets start with trying to prove they were built by higher technology...

next, we'll put the burden of proof on you to provide evidence of "the flood".

If you use the Scientific Method, you'll win every time...

Pseudoscience = epic fail

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x294/jibjab2/EpicFail02.jpg

/end rant

[century]

If you cant prove who built the things you cant prove who didn't build them

[pack3tg0st]

You can't prove a negative man... you can only affirm a positive...

[century]

If the rock was exposed to water for a long period of time the uranium could have been washed out.(solubility)
Uranium is soluble in water.

I'm not saying your wrong but will not assume your right

You always have decay in most minerals that leads to instability of scientist theories


I'm not a bible thumper though

I will say without evolution theory there is no (big bang)

[century]

Animal waste chemicals do to flood, fluoride from rocks, volcanoes under the water
could have produced chemicals known to deteriorate uranium.


But hey, you could very well be right man, good job!!!

[Cogburn]

Nobody can prove who, or when alot of these monuments were built, its all an educated guess.
Some scientist don't trust carbon dating anyway so we don't know when they were built, sure as
hell cant assume humans existed as they do today.I don't think that this is an accurate statement, but I don't have the urge to linkspam alternatives. If I'm wrong someone will call me on it.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that the stones from megalithic monuments have been matched to quarries and the use of those quarries was accurately dated to within +/- a few hundred years.

The Suess effect is dilution of the atmospheric concentrations of heavy isotopes of carbon (13C and 14C) by the admixture of large amounts of fossil-fuel derived CO2, which is depleted in 13CO2 and does not contain any 14CO2. It is named for the Austrian chemist Hans Suess, who noted the influence of this effect on the accuracy of radiocarbon dating. More recently, the Suess effect has been used in studies of climate change. The term originally referred only to dilution of atmospheric 14CO2. The concept was later extended to dilution of 13CO2 and to other reservoirs of carbon such as the oceans and soils.

Hey I'm not claiming accuracy, just saying everyone shouldn't be closed minded
The dating of the use of quarries is independent of carbon dating. Records kept at the time indicate the areas from where materials were gathered.

What is never described in detail is the specific method of construction.

[century]

That was my point to begin with, and Ducky's(method of construction)
I don't think its to out of the box to say a flood could have had a big impact on the loss of life and technology, what ever
caused the flood could have changed the atmosphere leading to smaller, or bigger life forms.

Apparently the earth has been through a lot and to say it has stayed the same through the ages is, well.....a scientist best guess at pretending to
be an asshole and not a dweeb

For example a asteroid entering the atmosphere at one point could have an effect on many minerals and the natural evolution of life.
The acidic processes that effect the decay of some minerals in Packmans case.

[century]

To say SUPER- natural is to assume we are natural proponents in universe and there is no diversity

I just cant except that things are the same everywhere you go(Carl Sagan), even on our own planet.
Especially since we have only been industrialized for give or take 150 yrs.
Its like a kid trying to fathom that he knows everything there is to know

[Lexion]

For example a asteroid entering the atmosphere at one point could have an effect on many minerals

How, exactly ?

Pondering,
Lex

[century]

Uranium reacts with nearly all non-metallic elements and their binary compounds.

Dissolves in sulphuric, hydrochloric, and nitric acids.

High volcanic activities in water, which may occur in stress around the crust or structure of earth could produce hydrochloric/nitric(mass extinction of reptiles/animals would account for nitric acid)acids that would react substantially over time with uranium to break it down much more rapidly into its isotope.

Asteroid could produce this scenario

[pack3tg0st]

And that would change the entire "Stash" of Uranium on the planet?

Besides that, a geologist can TELL you if a sample was exposed to high levels of Sulphuric, Hydrocloric or Nitric acid...

And, what of uranium samples that haven't been exposed?

Your splitting hairs man... you're not even arguing the point you set out to argue now...

At this point in time, you're looking for "gaps" or potential situations that would make YOUR scenario acceptable...

Your compunding rarity upon rarity... throwing in some fabricated hypotheses and fuzzy logic...

Here's an idea... how's about you write the whole hypotheses up into a thread... then we'll show you exactly how your logic fails.

Remember: A hypothesis has to be falsifiable...

Now backtracking a bit:


I will say without evolution theory there is no (big bang)

Two separate ideas completely... This makes about as much sense as saying "Without Cars there aren't any Eggs."

[century]

I'm not arguing the point just clarifying my point of view,
last time I made a thread about uranium on the moon no-one took it seriously, maby that's my mistake
but I made the effort

No animosity

[pack3tg0st]

[offsite=http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090629-uranium-moon.html:3fbhvucf]Uranium exists on the moon, according to new data from a Japanese spacecraft.

The findings are the first conclusive evidence for the presence of the radioactive element in lunar dirt, the researchers said. They announced the discovery recently at the 40th Lunar and Planetary Conference and at the Proceedings of the International Workshop Advances in Cosmic Ray Science.[/offsite:3fbhvucf]

There is Uranium on the moon.

[century]

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7266 (http://amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7266)

[Cogburn]

I'm not arguing the point just clarifying my point of view,
last time I made a thread about uranium on the moon no-one took it seriously, maby that's my mistake
but I made the effort

No animosity
Take it seriously? You have the wrong impression.

The lack of serious commentary was because it was like a "so what?" sort of revelation.

It's really not that spectacular and doesn't have much bearing on CT research... alien moon bases or otherwise.

[century]

It's really not that spectacular and doesn't have much bearing on CT research... alien moon bases or otherwise.






your avatar isn't that spectacular either fucker :D

[Cogburn]

You can't stop looking at it, can you?

I'm using it to subliminally implant pedophilia messages into your subconscious as a greater part of the evil Freemasonic/Catholic plan to sexualize the youth of America to bring about a more pliable population in the next generation.

Isn't spectacular, my ass....

[century]

I knew you were up to something with that thing

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633706590063210960-iseewhatyoudidth.jpg

[KIWI]

LOL

I like Coral Castle...

Which vid are you talking about?

I know there are supposed witnesses that saw some fuckin weird shit while he was building the damn thing...


yes its Bruce again....


....It came as no great surprise to me that the site of Coral Castle is mathematically related to the world energy grid, as are the other remarkable structures which, however, date back from ancient times. After a series of calculations I came to the conclusion that Ed Leedskalnin had not moved on to the Florida site by chance. The initial check I made to ascertain the position of Coral Castle, published in my earlier works, was Latitude 25° 28' north, longitude 80° 27' west — as near as I could pinpoint the position on my maps, This geometric position was extremely close to one that would be ideal for setting up harmonics related to gravity and light harmonics. More recent information gives the position as 25° 29' 09" north, 80° 26' 08" west. In my initial publication I stated that the direct latitude value of the site set up a gravitational harmonic, but further investigation has indicated that a modification of this view is necessary. When the geometric pattern is projected onto a flat plain, as in Diagram 20, then the coordinates projected from Coral Castle to the zero degree and ninety degree longitude lines, where they pass through the equator, yield harmonics related to light and gravity. The angle 0 as shown in the diagram, is equal to 69.4 degrees and the square root of the longitudinal distance of 4826.133 minutes of arc is a value of 69.4: close to the speed of light harmonic reciprocal of 69444. My latest research shows that this harmonic is also related directly with gravitation.

[boycotteverything]

It's really not that spectacular and doesn't have much bearing on CT research... alien moon bases or otherwise.






your avatar isn't that spectacular either fucker :Di killed it with adblock. it was driving me to distraction.

[mojo]

just that the tools used before the flood possibly haven't been replicated.



what is this flood you are talking of....not the biblical flood i hope....because thats using a fairy tale for evidence.

[mojo]

http://archaeology.org/interactive/tiwanaku/project/pumapunku1.html

http://www.uvm.edu/~dblom/Pubs/Dissertation.pdf

http://bruceowen.com/research/owen2001-saa-from_sequence_to_social_org.pdf

[century]

what is this flood you are talking of....not the biblical flood i hope....because thats using a fairy tale for evidence.




for what its worth :thegeneral:

Scientific proof of the Great Flood is elusive, not because there is not enough substantive evidence to prove its historicity beyond a reasonable doubt, but because much of the evidence is equivocal. That is, it can be reasonably interpreted in more than one way. “Proof” is evidence which demands a singular conclusion. Consequentially, I do not have scientific proof of the Great Flood per se. Rather I have a few documented cases for the Flood.

Not proof

Atlantis: An account of a legendary city which suddenly sank beneath the waves of the sea.
Some have connected Plato's tale with the story of the flood in Genesis......(Plato)

Gilgamesh legend: Even more ancient than the Atlantis legend is the account of Gilgamesh,
who built a boat and so survived the deluge........(Ancient cuneiform tablets from Nineveh, Mesopotamia.)

Diluvial theory: G. Cuvier proposed that the drift was evidenceof the Noachian flood. Hall interpreted streamlined hills of Edinburgh to catastrophic waves or currents from the sea, generated by earthquakes. The diluvial theory was applied to the study of caves of Yorkshire by Buckland. Supporters of the diluvial theory opposed Louis Agassiz in New England. Howorth believed the drift was distributed by a catastrophic flood which drowned large animals in huge numbers, such as the mammoth............(G. Cuvier, Sir James Hall, W. Buckland, R.I. Murchison, H.H. Howorth)

Tranquil Flood: Filby pointed out evidence such as raised beaches or strand lines on coasts, (Pleistocene) which he identified as effects of the Noachian flood....(F. Filby)

Cosmic Catastophe: Astronomical agents, a comet or meteorite impact, explains the drift and the flood.
(I. Donnelly)

Hydroplate theory: Breaking up of the "fountains of the deep" released subterranean waters that flooded the earth, and produced the mid-ocean ridge system.....(W.T. Brown)


Also one line of evidence concerns the fossilized remains of marine life found atop every major mountain range in the world. Flood advocates (“diluvialists”) see the masses of dead sea-life found atop every major mountain range in the world as reasonable evidence that the planet’s surface was inundated by a global deluge, but not proof. Modern conventionalists interpret the same evidence to mean that ocean boundaries periodically shift, whereby dry land submerges and re-emerges from the sea in a seemingly endless cycle of uplift, subduction, and erosion.

[century]

Modern conventionalists interpret the same evidence to mean that ocean boundaries periodically shift, whereby dry land submerges and re-emerges from the sea in a seemingly endless cycle of uplift, subduction, and erosion.



A pole shift would be a better reason to me for a giant flood(not global flood).

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

A pole shift would be a better reason to me for a giant flood(not global flood).


Lex...


Don't say it...


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons%20pngs/huh.png

[century]

Its not that out there guys, fuck what the King James version says

[Cogburn]

There were a series of megatsunamis all recorded between 10,000-12,000 years ago at the end of the last major Ice Age.

While the events are tough to pin down to events any closer than within 2,000 years, it was only after this period of massive global flooding that our modern civilization first found its roots.

It wasn't just the flooding in the Tigris-Euphrates valley alone that was recorded in the stories of the Deluge... it was a global occurrence recorded time and time again with the exact same detail in coastal cultures all over the world.

This is a map I created that outlines all of the cultures that share a deluge story with at least 3 points in common. There are over 60 in all. I think I posted the list and a summary of those stories in another thread, but I have them handy if you require the proof.
[attachment=0:1dy1vk0b]dotted-worldmap-1_small.jpg[/attachment:1dy1vk0b]

Now is the deluge spoken of in these myths the same as the ones that occurred 10,000-12,000 years ago... or is it something far, far older... like the impact of the meteor that created the K-T boundary layer 65,000,000 years ago.

If it was the meteor impact... just how, exactly, did such knowledge get to so many cultures after so many millions of years... to even exist to this present day?

[century]

If it was the meteor impact... just how, exactly, did such knowledge get to so many cultures after so many millions of years... to even exist to this present day?








Damn good question, like the Loony Lear believer that I am.

I think Its a good possibility we cohabited with dinosaurs and reptile humanoids,
and that they haven't got the fossil dating right

Dont mind me thow

[century]

couple more

[mojo]

whilst i'll acknowledge that at the end of the last ice age there were various major flooding events world wide imo there was no global flood event.


Gilgamesh legend: Even more ancient than the Atlantis legend is the account of Gilgamesh,
who built a boat and so survived the deluge........(Ancient cuneiform tablets from Nineveh, Mesopotamia.)


the gilgamesh myth is more than likely either a local Tigris/euphrates flood event or an ice age flood event around the bosphorous or black sea, the evidence for this is much stronger than some global event.

likewise with some of your other "examples", particularly Atlantis, of which there is very little evidence, and i am an Atlantis proponent.

but flood events aside, i'm not dismissing that there may have been "advanced" civilizations at some previous stage in our history, however by "advanced" you must take into consideration what "advanced" would mean to a stone/bronze or iron stage culture.
to suggest that Atlantis had nuclear weapons or instataneous communication or whatever is ridiculous because there is no evidence for it, howeveer to suggest that they had the wheel, and maritime navigation before mesopotamian civilizations is not such a stretch, hence the suggestion that the Atlantean civilization was "advanced" in comparison to their contempories.

[pack3tg0st]

I think Its a good possibility we cohabited with dinosaurs and reptile humanoids,

http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm_implied.jpg

Seriously?

ok, so lets forget the radiometric dating if you think that its wrong...

What of the different layers of sedimentary rock?

You forget we can date fossils by looking at what layer of earth they are in...

Are you sure you're not a young earther christian fundie?

[century]

You forget we can date fossils by looking at what layer of earth they are in...




You forget you have to date the rock to find how old the layer is

[pack3tg0st]

only if you want to find what the round about age of the strata is...

If you want to see if its older or not... something ten feet deep is obviously older than something 6 inches deep

[century]

Thats not an accurate reference, you sure your not Christian?

[Lexion]

Thats not an accurate reference, you sure your not Christian?

Ummm......

N/M.

Lex

[pack3tg0st]

That is absolutely an accurate reference...

That is how they aged stuff before radiometric dating...

They've been naming and associating the strata with geological time for quite a while now.

and as far as being christian...

A picture is worth a thousand words they say...

http://static.open.salon.com/files/cross_stabbing_bible_bloody1243806634.jpg

[century]

That is absolutely an accurate reference...

That is how they aged stuff before radiometric dating...

They've been naming and associating the strata with geological time for quite a while now.

and as far as being christian...

A picture is worth a thousand words they say...

http://static.open.salon.com/files/cross_stabbing_bible_bloody1243806634.jpg


Before radiometric I wouldn't trust



Nobody can prove who, or when alot of these monuments were built, its all an educated guess.
Some scientist don't trust carbon dating anyway so we don't know when they were built, sure as
hell cant assume humans existed as they do today.



If the rock was exposed to water for a long period of time the uranium could have been washed out.(solubility)
Uranium is soluble in water.

I'm not saying your wrong but will not assume your right

You always have decay in most minerals that leads to instability of scientist theories

There most likely was a flood, screw your opinion fatty

[Cogburn]

whilst i'll acknowledge that at the end of the last ice age there were various major flooding events world wide imo there was no global flood event.
I'm one that doesn't believe that deluge stories describe Ice Age flooding, but I don't believe that we hung out with dinosaurs, either.

There was a massive global flood some that occurred some time during the time while humans (if not homo sapien) walked the Earth... sometime in the past 1,000,000 years or so.

[pack3tg0st]

Just to prove the point even further...


"It is also possible that the sea may have happened to flow little by little over the land consisting of both plain and mountain, and then have ebbed away from it. ... It is possible that each time the land was exposed by the ebbing of the sea a layer was left, since we see that some mountains appear to have been piled up layer by layer, and it is therefore likely that the clay from which they were formed was itself at one time arranged in layers. One layer was formed first, then at a different period, a further was formed and piled, upon the first, and so on. Over each layer there spread a substance of different material, which formed a partition between it and the next layer; but when petrification took place something occurred to the partition which caused it to break up and disintegrate from between the layers (possibly referring to unconformity). ... As to the beginning of the sea, its clay is either sedimentary or primeval, the latter not being sedimentary. It is probable that the sedimentary clay was formed by the disintegration of the strata of mountains. Such is the formation of mountains."

Avicenna - 1027 AD

See... the idea has been around for almost a thousand years...

I really doubt a Medieval arab had access to Radiometric dating equipment... BUT, he understood that the concept that you're denouncing...

Aristotle was on the path to the same conclusion as well (circa 350 BC).

Then... in the 1600's someone suggested that you could tell what time period things were from, by what strata they are found in (Nicolas Steno).

Now... what was that about not being able to figure shit out without radiometrics?

[pack3tg0st]

Before radiometric I wouldn't trust

Of course you wouldn't... It's devastating to your argument.

[pack3tg0st]

There was a massive global flood some that occurred some time during the time while humans (if not homo sapien) walked the Earth... sometime in the past 1,000,000 years or so.

Must have been a whopper if it wiped out advanced technology eh?

[Cogburn]

Europeans were groveling in the mud and sleeping with the livestock and the Spanish Arabs had medicine, indoor plumbing and vaulted arches.

How advanced does the technology need to be, really?

[pack3tg0st]

Screw spanish arabs man...

Look where the Chinese were about that time...

[Lexion]

Screw spanish arabs man...

Look where the Chinese were about that time...

In China ?

Just guessing.....

Lex

[Cogburn]

Screw spanish arabs man...

Look where the Chinese were about that time...
The Chinese had been in about the same level of technological advancement for 700 years for no real reason other than that's the way they like it.

Tao never changes. If your world never changes, there's no need for your technology to follow.

[pack3tg0st]

1st century BC:

Natural gas drilling....

http://library.thinkquest.org/23062/drill.jpg

[boycotteverything]

they haven't got the fossil dating right no need to bring goos into this.

[Ra187]

first of all i would like to say that why is it so hard for people to understand that some cultures in the same periods were more advanced then others.....look at now technologically speaking the japanese are way ahead of most contries as far as electronic technology goes...and seriously a debate on whether there was flooding or not in the past 1,000,000 is a ludicrous discussion, obviously when the ice caps melted there was some major flooding in areas...and a lot of those areas were highly populated due to the inability to get water so they all just lived near the rivers. As far as the great flood stories its simply the way man back then could explain such a global event. it has happened many times that man has come out with some outlandish reasons for obviously natural occurrences.

I also stated this in a previous post and i believe its relevent...

1 thing i think that everyone forgets is that the people back then didnt have all the distractions in life that we do. they pretty much had there work and a few pleasures if they were wealthy. when human minds can be soley focused on the task at hand ie. building the pyramids, great things can happen and usually do. if we as a culture now could show the kind of dedication the ancients did we might be able to actually fix something in this world instead of killing everything!

[boycotteverything]

Damn you, man. You're taking all the fun out believing in stoopid shit. Chill out. Kay?

[KIWI]

first of all i would like to say that why is it so hard for people to understand that some cultures in the same periods were more advanced then others.....look at now technologically speaking the japanese are way ahead of most contries as far as electronic technology goes...and seriously a debate on whether there was flooding or not in the past 1,000,000 is a ludicrous discussion, obviously when the ice caps melted there was some major flooding in areas...and a lot of those areas were highly populated due to the inability to get water so they all just lived near the rivers. As far as the great flood stories its simply the way man back then could explain such a global event. it has happened many times that man has come out with some outlandish reasons for obviously natural occurrences.

I also stated this in a previous post and i believe its relevent...

1 thing i think that everyone forgets is that the people back then didnt have all the distractions in life that we do. they pretty much had there work and a few pleasures if they were wealthy. when human minds can be soley focused on the task at hand ie. building the pyramids, great things can happen and usually do. if we as a culture now could show the kind of dedication the ancients did we might be able to actually fix something in this world instead of killing everything!

I guess you must have been there..?

[boycotteverything]

I guess you must have been there..?now we're cooking again!

[KIWI]

I guess you must have been there..?now we're cooking again!

....on one hand, when an "outside influence" is suggested as being involved with some of these ancient structures, due to the fact that seemingly extraordinary precision and an advanced knowledge of mathematics, celestial movements, and engineering must have been involved, it is suggested that we underestimate the intelligence of our distant ancestors, maybe....

....but then we are also told that these structures were built for the purpose of worship and sacrafice ???.....to me that shows a very low level of understanding of the world they lived in, very "low-rent" base behavourial traits, not what you would expect from a supposed "enlightened" race of people, capable of these incredible feats? how often do you find these places occupied by native people who have no knowledge themselves as to the origin of some of these structures?

[KIWI]

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/cubadeex.htm


Oddly enough, even the Indians living around Lake Titicaca relate a
Flood myth as part of their oral history of the region, despite its
great altitude. This myth is to some degree reinforced by reported
evidence of the incursion at those high altitudes of marine life known
to exist only in oceans, not fresh water, suggesting that either there
was one enormous flood or a geologic cataclysm in the region which
occurred relatively recently, lifting it from a much lower position.
The Titicacan oral history tells of the Christ-like Viracocha who came
with his colleagues to the ruined and dispirited people of the Andes
whose culture was so devastated by the flood's effects that they had
reverted to a mean barbarism. Viracocha was said to have wept at the
circumstances in which he found the Andean people, hence, he was later
referred to as "the weeping god." Viracocha and his followers
reinstructed the Andean people in the arts of civilization, so the
legend goes, before they departed, restoring them to order and
prosperity. But note that the premise of the Viracochan legend is that
civilization in the Andes pre-existed the flood disaster.



As for Garcilaso Inca de la Vega's account of ruins on the bottom of
Lake Titicaca, that account remains to be confirmed by diving
expeditions. Some of the Tiahuanacan ruins are under shallow waters of
the lake around the shore near Tiahuanco. However, some of you will
recall that there was a new discovery in the last couple of years of a
sunken island in the lake which was covered with pre-Columbian ruins,
found in only 65 feet of water. The expedition which made the find was
searching for extensions of the massive tunnel complexes discovered
around Cuzco and other major Inca centers, based upon Amazonian Indian
legends of the tunnel complexes being part of a larger tunnel system
which supposedly covered most of the South American continent. These
legends may have grown out of the large Inca and Nazca tunnel and
underground aqueduct systems already found by archeologists. However,
as far as anyone has discovered thus far, those tunnels do not appear to
be part of a larger complex covering the entire continent.
Nevertheless, the discovery of the sunken island city in Lake Titicaca
was still quite a find and was not anticipated by its discoverers.



There are rough parallels between the Viracocha legend and that of
Queztlcoatl in Mesoamerica. Similar tales are told in Sumer of the
amphibious god Oannes and his colleagues who, it is said in the Sumerian
tablets, taught the Mesopotamian people all that distinguished them from
the hunter-gathers who surrounded them. Likewise, the Dogon of North
Africa claim that amphibious gods from Sirius helped them to transcend
hunter-gathering and achieve the modest level of civilization evidenced
in that region (North Africa has the ruins of large brick towns built
under huge cliff faces on sites overlooking a river valley, which
structures look remarkably similar to those found in the American
Southwest).

[KIWI]

As for Garcilaso Inca de la Vega's account of ruins on the bottom of
Lake Titicaca, that account remains to be confirmed by diving
expeditions.


http://www.s8int.com/water8.html

Ancient Temple Ruins Found Under Lake Titicaca

LA PAZ, Bolivia (Reuters) - The remains of what is thought to be a 1,000- to 1,500-year-old temple have been found below the waters of South America's lake Titicaca, a scientific expedition said Tuesday.

``We've found what appears to have been a 200-meter (660 feet) long, 50-meter (160 feet) wide holy temple, a terrace for crops, a pre-Incan road and an 800-meter (2,600 feet) long containing wall,'' said Lorenzo Apis, the Italian scientist leading the expedition in a region of the lake around 90 miles northeast of the Bolivian capital La Paz.

[boycotteverything]

....but then we are also told that these structures were built for the purpose of worship and sacrafice ???That these structures might be expressions of religious wonder by no means diminishes the expertise, mathematical knowledge, and skill required to construct them. Any fore' into medieval/ renaissance Rome demonstrates the truth of that. The Vatican? The cathedrals? Saint Peter's? And 1500 years before that- the Pantheon? The ancient temples? All are the highest expression of the building arts of the times and yet all are religiously oriented. Why should even more ancient structures be any different?

[KIWI]

congratulations, to back your statement you have referanced some of the most disgusting societies on the planet, , the cup-cakes are on me

[boycotteverything]

hey! i resent that! all societies are disgusting. we're humans, ya know.

[KIWI]

:lol:

[Ra187]

lol alright i will just say that i was there and i do recall some odd looking fellas running round but i didnt think much of it at the time......now look back at it i think there was some sort of outside force involved....as i do recall the day they built the pyramid i was tripping balls on some hardcore mush...and merely thought those little green men were just part of the trip (my bad)...so in reality nothing that humans have done before the 14th century truly would be considered human design....

[KIWI]

....but then we are also told that these structures were built for the purpose of worship and sacrafice ???That these structures might be expressions of religious wonder by no means diminishes the expertise, mathematical knowledge, and skill required to construct them. Any fore' into medieval/ renaissance Rome demonstrates the truth of that. The Vatican? The cathedrals? Saint Peter's? And 1500 years before that- the Pantheon? The ancient temples? All are the highest expression of the building arts of the times and yet all are religiously oriented. Why should even more ancient structures be any different?

hmmmm..........so I guess we could expect todays engineer/designer's to at any time start burning babies and covetting their neighbours oxen on a stone alter in their back-yards ? or the foya of Sear's Tower?


once you have witnessed fellow faculty members crucified for having an original thought, you would soon learn to toe the party line :whip:

[KIWI]

lol alright i will just say that i was there and i do recall some odd looking fellas running round but i didnt think much of it at the time......now look back at it i think there was some sort of outside force involved....as i do recall the day they built the pyramid i was tripping balls on some hardcore mush...and merely thought those little green men were just part of the trip (my bad)...so in reality nothing that humans have done before the 14th century truly would be considered human design....


are you the guy renting Jack's back seat ?

[boycotteverything]

....but then we are also told that these structures were built for the purpose of worship and sacrafice ???That these structures might be expressions of religious wonder by no means diminishes the expertise, mathematical knowledge, and skill required to construct them. Any fore' into medieval/ renaissance Rome demonstrates the truth of that. The Vatican? The cathedrals? Saint Peter's? And 1500 years before that- the Pantheon? The ancient temples? All are the highest expression of the building arts of the times and yet all are religiously oriented. Why should even more ancient structures be any different?

hmmmm..........so I guess we could expect todays engineer/designer's to at any time start burning babies and covetting their neighbours oxen on a stone alter in their back-yards ? or the foya of Sear's Tower?


once you have witnessed fellow faculty members crucified for having an original thought, you would soon learn to toe the party line :whip:
Nah. We got over it after General Washington whupped your asses in '76 and introduced the New Order.

[boycotteverything]

Latest alien/ earthling joint venture:

The Cathedral of Saint John, New York City. Begun 1882 still not complete. No faculty members will be crucified prior to completion.

http://www.nycago.org/Organs/NYC/img/StJohnDivine_Postcard1.jpg

[boycotteverything]

Chief alien carved his own likeness in 1941-

http://www.paulpolitis.com/bwgallery/photographs/nyc_john_divine_det10.jpg
Admiral Klaatu, chief architect of St. John's Cathedral, 1941


Mr. Klaatu today, hard at work on Iranian nuclear reactor:

http://www.blogar.com.br/pass/klaatu-2.jpg

[boycotteverything]

BE BREAKING NEWS FLASH!

It can now be reported that Chief Architect Klaatu and Chief Construction Superintendent Gort made a surprise visit to St. John's yesterday to review progress of the finishing stages of this Alien/ Earthling cooperative project.

More on this developing story as it breaks...

http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/scifi/images/dayearthstoodstill.jpg
Klaatu and Gort arriving at Kennedy International on Tuesday, July29th, 2009

[KIWI]

have you had your Metamucil today ?

[boycotteverything]

Not yet. It's early here. Couldn't sleep because of these vicious allergy headaches. All of which brought Gort and Klaatu to mind, as it always does. These are the Pleidian dickwads who are responsible for 90% of the religious structures all over the Earth. I believe you're well aware of that, Kiwi, and are being a bit disingenuous here with your long series of suggestive hints. So fess up you sack of pomshit.

[KIWI]

:lol: ........priceless!, tell ya what , forget the bowell medication, just drop half a viagra, at least it will stop you pissing on your shoe's!

[KIWI]

Couldn't sleep because of these vicious allergy headaches.

bummer mate, dont get em myself but know lots that do,......good luck

[boycotteverything]

In keeping with the subject of historical buildings-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32198058/ns/world_news-washington_post/

Thank you, George Bush


Babylon’s ancient wonder, lying in ruins
‘Nothing can make up for’ damage done by U.S. troops in Iraq, experts say

According to the report, which comes after five years of investigation by a team of Iraqi and international experts, foreign troops and contractors bulldozed hilltops and then covered them with gravel to serve as parking lots for military vehicles and trailers. They drove heavy vehicles over the fragile paving of once-sacred pathways.

The report also says that forces built barriers and embankments to protect the base, pulverizing ancient pottery and bricks that were engraved with cuneiform characters. They dug trenches where they stored fuel tanks for their helicopters, which landed near an ancient theater. Among the structures that suffered the most damage, according to the report, were the Ishtar Gate and a processional thoroughfare. Experts also say troops filled their sandbags with soil from a site that was littered with archaeological fragments.

[KIWI]

In keeping with the subject of historical buildings-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32198058/ns/world_news-washington_post/

Thank you, George Bush


Babylon’s ancient wonder, lying in ruins
‘Nothing can make up for’ damage done by U.S. troops in Iraq, experts say

According to the report, which comes after five years of investigation by a team of Iraqi and international experts, foreign troops and contractors bulldozed hilltops and then covered them with gravel to serve as parking lots for military vehicles and trailers. They drove heavy vehicles over the fragile paving of once-sacred pathways.

The report also says that forces built barriers and embankments to protect the base, pulverizing ancient pottery and bricks that were engraved with cuneiform characters. They dug trenches where they stored fuel tanks for their helicopters, which landed near an ancient theater. Among the structures that suffered the most damage, according to the report, were the Ishtar Gate and a processional thoroughfare. Experts also say troops filled their sandbags with soil from a site that was littered with archaeological fragments.

sadly it seems the rule rather than the exception, they banged the Pacific highway clean through the NAZCA "artifacts, and let dirt bikers chew the joint up... its happening everywhere

http://safecorner.savingantiquities.org/2009/05/cultural-vandalism-destruction-of.html

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-1056598.html


http://www.drgeorgepc.com/DisastersCulturalSites.html

http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/epiktitos/cultural.htm

[KIWI]

From..."Mysteries Of South America" Harold T Wilkens. 1945


The same thing happened on the slopes of Andean ranges far lower than today. At almost the same height as are now the ruins of mysterious Tiahuanacu(1), the city of the dead, 12,000 feet up on a bleak paramo, at the elevation of Lake Titicaca, Peru, you can today see, in a great plain near Bogotd, the capital city of modern Colombia, South America, what are called "the Giants Fields". The strange flat is heaped with fossilised and petrified bones of mastodons, overtaken by sudden catastrophe, which withered their pasture-grounds, then near the sea and warm and lush.

(1) It is of course, possible that two epochs, and two widely sundered peoples, were the victims of these cataclysms

They too died of cold and starvation and also of rarefaction of the air, wherein they could not breathe. For their death was accompanied by an appalling and sudden rising of their old plains right into the clouds, more than two miles high! That brings us to the strange fate of highly civilised Tiahuanacu and its astonishing megalithic ruins, then located, like the pasture-grounds of the mastodons, close to the shores of the Pacific. (Or it might, even ages before, have been submerged under the waters of the ocean !) That was a civilisation of a reddish-skinned race, with some who had, in some cases, prognathic features projecting and black skins, as objects of pottery and terra-cotta ware, dug up from under the ruins, show.

So far back is their time, that the images found in the alluvium are fossilised and petrified. So suddenly came disaster on them that none but men who were engaged on duties in ancient mines in the mountains not then so high as the modern cordilleras and paramos of the Andes could have escaped the cataclysm. And even so, the appalling raising of the Andes, which certainly followed the great deluge and flooding in of the sea over the land, and upheaved Tiahuanacu and the nearby Lake Titicaca, more than two miles into teh clouds and rarefied air, very likely exterminated most or all of the survivors.


Says the most ancient legend current among the modern Aymara Indians of Bolivia- Peru....

"After a long night there dawned, standing upright to the eyes of our forefathers, the great ruins you now see".




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[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

they haven't got the fossil dating right no need to bring goos into this.

WTF?

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[boycotteverything]

shit- done a little fossil dating myself.

[KIWI]

shit- done a little fossil dating myself.

I wonder how the "fossillette" described the experience from her side :lol:

[boycotteverything]

hahahahaha Bet we were on the same page.

[KIWI]

ha ha ...maybe :eye: but the Paige I knew didnt have a face like a " stunt-man's Knee"

[boycotteverything]

You're relying to heavily on that picture Goos posted above. Truth be known- those are his kids. My fossil had no teeth.

[KIWI]

did you take her "clubbing"........ :lol:

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Pyramids of Visocica
Visoka, Bosnia-Herzegovina




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Ally Barakat, Expert from Egypt telling his theory about Bosnian Pyramid and ancient Bosnians.
Their most remarkable feature is their decorative motifs, many of which remain enigmatic to this day. Spirals, arcades, rosettes, vine leaves and grapes, suns and crescent moons are among the images that appear. Figural motifs include processions of deer, dancing the kolo, hunting and, most famously, the image of the man with his right hand raised, perhaps in a gesture of fealty. The most beautiful of the stecci graveyards is that at Radimlja, near Stolac


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The Bosnian Pyramid, Visocica Hill, is the first European pyramid to be discovered and is located in the heart of Bosnia, in the town of Visoko. The pyramid has all the elements: four perfectly shaped slopes pointing toward the cardinal points, a flat top and an entrance complex. On top of the pyramid are also the ruins of a Medieval walled town, once the base of a Bosnian king Tvrtko of Kotromanic (1338-1391). Because of its similarities to the Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacan, Mexico, it has been named the “Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun” ('Bosanska Piramida Sunca'). There are also a four more ancient structures on the site, the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon ('Bosanska Piramida Mjeseca'), Bosnian Pyramid of the Dragon ( 'Bosanska Piramida Zmaja'), Bosnian Pyramid of the Love ('Bosanska Piramida Ljubavi') and Temple of the Earth, ('Hram Zemlje').'We have already dug out stone blocks which I believe are covering the pyramid', said Semir (Sam) Osmanagic (http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/index_Files/Semir.html), a Bosnian American archaeologist who has spent the last 15 years studying the pyramids of Latin America. 'We found a paved entrance plateau and discovered underground tunnels'..... (October 2005)

[skunk]

I guess we'll have to wait till they've finished excavating the site to determine whether or not there's actually a pyramid there.

I'm not holding my breathe, although the hill itself is definitely a peculiar shape.

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