SERPO Hoax

[pack3tg0st]

Ok, its been brought up before, and I know its been researched a bunch... but I figured while we're stalled for a tad on the WITD research, we'll start looking into SERPO...

The Back Story is on http://www.serpo.info

do we think that the serpo.info place is 100% legit?

[boycotteverything]

It's Shawanna's history of the Serpo affair- and it's a very good one. She doesn't pull her punches. I'm not sure she manages to get to the very quick of the matter but it's great research none the less.

do we think that the serpo.info place is 100% legit?Yep. 100% legit.

[Cogburn]

What's to do on SERPO that RU hasn't already done, killed, buried, dug up the corpse, fucked it, and buried it again?

[boycotteverything]

not a damned thing- except the final answer to 'why' and 'by whom'

[pack3tg0st]

Exactly... Trying to connect the dots...

Centris played a pivotal role in the whole ordeal...

Centris was representing ATS at the time...

The hard part is going to be figuring out if any of the three amigos at ATS knew of his actions.

[pack3tg0st]

Ok, since you're here BE, and know more about this than I do...

edit: nope lol figured it out...

Anyway, what's your theory... if you have one

[boycotteverything]

I think they were taken by surprise by Wayne's involvement. There was enough skulduggery and subterfuge to last all these guys a lifetime. Strangest of all is that Serpo spin-offs are still being used to poison the well of Ufology, particularly at OM. Murnut can speak to that better than anyone else I know. He made himself a student of the second act of the soap opera- source A, exo-politics the Pickering brothers, Dan Smith, and all the other viral nonsense that Bren enables over there.

[boycotteverything]

My theory is that certain credulous populations of certain forums were used as lab rats in the study of viral memes. And it ain't over. (That's a nutshell version.)

[pack3tg0st]

your theory is more along the lines of this guy?

http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/serpo-was-disinformation/

[boycotteverything]

It's also interesting that most of the key lab techs are Rons Orgists (COS) and their work has resulted in the formation of at least one sizable cult similar to Scientology itself. That would be OM. This is a grand and ongoing experiment. Might it have begun as innocently as the Hubbard/ Heinlein barroom bet that gave rise to the COS? That's the central question.

[boycotteverything]

Yeah. I think Greg is close to the truth in a way. This thing is multifaceted. He comes at it from his experience in researching the Doty/ Moore/ AFOSI/ Bennewitz affair and that colors his analysis. I see application to the use and demolition of Dan Smith by the IC in his take.

[hp]

Backward - OPRES

[pack3tg0st]

Should we assume that the "Team of five" were just opprotunistic, and decided to take advantage of a growing meme to get a little attention?

Kinda like when we were fucking with the "Project Blackjack" thread at GLP?

[boycotteverything]

After being somewhat immersed in this thing and its attendant foodfight for 4 years I think we all need to resist pretending to be experts and pronouncing final conclusions. There are no experts and the affair is ongoing.

[boycotteverything]

Should we assume that the "Team of five" were just opprotunistic, and decided to take advantage of a growing meme to get a little attention?In this craziness it's probably unwise to assume anything! Bear in mind that most of those members were IC operatives. Intelligence operations generally take place for a purpose.

[Cogburn]

After being somewhat immersed in this thing and its attendant foodfight for 4 years I think we all need to resist pretending to be experts and pronouncing final conclusions. There are no experts and the affair is ongoing.
The only reason it's ongoing is because of people too cheap to buy Tom Clancy novels.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that this is anything more than pure fantasy.

Yes, there are spooks involved. Yes, they still have jobs and in fact are doing quite well for themselves, even with this continued internet-based nonsense.

This means that
A ) the CIA approves of what they are doing and/or
B ) the CIA doesn't care what they are doing.

Hasn't anyone ever FOIA'd this shit?

[pack3tg0st]

Do you mean the Team of Five were IC operatives? or centrist, zep and the gang?

(sorry, I'm playing catch up... this whole thing never interested me all that much)

[Cogburn]

Nah... I mean Pandolfi and Green.

[boycotteverything]

In this craziness it's probably unwise to assume anything!Along those lines- I regret some of the things I've said to and about Shawanna, Dan Smith, Bob Collins, Kit Green, Hal Puthoff, Victor Martinez, Bill Ryan, Wayne Jaschke, Rick Doty et al- because it was all based on conclusions and assumptions at any given time. This thing is like a hall of mirrors- one moment you've identified the bad guys and the next moment they morph into good guys. For the IC operatives involved this is method. And they're pretty good at it.

[pack3tg0st]

Is it possible to get further by researching? Or is everything a dead end...

where should I start BE? lol

[boycotteverything]

There is absolutely no reason to believe that this is anything more than pure fantasy.One man's fantasy is another man's meme.

[boycotteverything]

Do you mean the Team of Five were IC operatives? or centrist, zep and the gang?

(sorry, I'm playing catch up... this whole thing never interested me all that much)Some were techs and some were rats. The roles changed continually over the course of time. Like I say- hall of mirrors.


this whole thing never interested me all that muchhahahahah! It's not everyone's cup of tea.

[Cogburn]

The last question I was able to ask and not answer is "Was the CIA directing the SERPO hoax as a matter of policy or was it the amusement of its employees?"

[Cogburn]

We should just start by FBI/CIA FOIA on every single name connected with the SERPO hoax in the past 3 years and see what shakes loose.

[boycotteverything]

Was the CIA directing the SERPO hoax as a matter of policy or was it the amusement of its employees?Yeah- interesting question. That's why a raised the Hubbard/ Heinlein wager. Who knows? And we may never know.

[boycotteverything]

We should just start by FBI/CIA FOIA on every single name connected with the SERPO hoax in the past 3 years and see what shakes loose.Go for it.

[Cogburn]

Was the CIA directing the SERPO hoax as a matter of policy or was it the amusement of its employees?Yeah- interesting question. That's why a raised the Hubbard/ Heinlein wager. Who knows? And we may never know.
I keep thinking that if the CIA was involved as policy that there should be fingerprints somewhere, even if the answer is "We are sorry we cannot release the information indicated in your request as that information is classified TOP SECRET for reasons of National Security."



We should just start by FBI/CIA FOIA on every single name connected with the SERPO hoax in the past 3 years and see what shakes loose.Go for it.
I think I just might.

[boycotteverything]

It always impressed me that the entire affair, including the absurdity of the core myth, is very much a microcosm of the rise of Scientology. It even resulted in a growing , incipient cult (OM.) Add to that that many of the key players are COS members (Green, Puthoff, Pandolfi, Ryan) and... And what?

[pack3tg0st]

lol within 10 mins of searching, I find an independent intelligence company that successfully links Majestic, Project Bluebook, and SERPO together rather fluidly lol

I'll post segments here as soon as I get my head around it lol

[Cogburn]

Tacitus Monroe
Ryan Dube
Harold Puthoff
Paul McGovern
Bill Ryan
Jaime Shandera
Greg Bekkum
Victor Martinez
Don Deppeller
Richard Doty
William Irvine
Daniel Burisch
Captain Robert Collins
Zep Tepi
Steve Broadbent
Wayne Jaeschke
Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green
Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi
Paul Bennewitz
William Moore
Jack Sarfatti
Joe K. Adams
Steve Aftergood
John B Alexander
Fredrick "Skip" Atwater
Col. Robert Keenan
Cleve Backster
Gregory Bateson
Lt. Col. Thomas E. Bearden
Col. Robert Keenan
Toby Sullivan

Yes... I know Zep Tepi isn't a real name.

Any to add?

Wait... What? COS members? No shit?

[boycotteverything]

Kate (Kali) of Eagles Disobey did some amazing research in to these COS connections. Her work is archived at Wyzwyrlde. Right next door to Brother Blue.

[boycotteverything]

Tacitus Monroe
Ryan Dube
Harold Puthoff
Paul McGovern
Bill Ryan
Jaime Shandera
Greg Bekkum
Victor Martinez
Don Deppeller
Richard Doty
William Irvine
Daniel Burisch
Captain Robert Collins
Zep Tepi
Steve Broadbent
Wayne Jaeschke
Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green
Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi

Yes... I know Zep Tepi isn't a real name.

Any to add?

Wait... What? COS members? No shit?Bill Moore, Hal Putoff, Jack Sarfatti.

[pack3tg0st]

Unfortunately, according to Smith, his friend Pandolfi, who specializes in "measurement and signature" intelligence, told him the real "phenomenology problem" is elusive and can't be traced.

Instead of tracking UFOs, the intelligence community has focused on tracking the "persons involved with the phenomena."

[Cogburn]

Harold Puthoff = Hal Putoff

[pack3tg0st]

Jesus, you weren't kidding BE... this is a twisty fuckin' maze!

its almost... "Spy Warz" or something... sigh..

[boycotteverything]

Instead of tracking UFOs, the intelligence community has focused on tracking the "persons involved with the phenomenaThey do both.

[boycotteverything]

Jesus, you weren't kidding BE... this is a twisty fuckin' maze!

its almost... "Spy Warz" or something... sigh..That it is. But is a teapot tempest or something significant? Get in too deep and it can cost you your sanity. It reminds me of an ant farm.

[pack3tg0st]

[offsite=http://www.starpod.org/knowing_part_14.htm:hsizj676]It was Ron Pandolfi, the highly placed intelligence official and friend of Dan Smith, who released a series of email messages to and from Dr. Christopher Kit Green of the DIA TIGER Committee -- messages which include discussion of FBI involvement and the Justice Department.

The questionable use or misuse of references to FBI by both Green and Pandolfi are particularly troubling, given a generic inquiry to the FBI about Internet contact with CIA and DIA officials returned a response from the local Joint Terrorism Task Force.

It is a matter of public record that Pandolfi and his associates operated from the DIA, and Green consulted to TIGER, a DIA National Academies of Science committee.

Following the SERPO email affair, AFP and other mainstream news sources reported that the DIA "can operate in cyberspace" and can "conduct the operations inside the United States as well as overseas."

The DIA cyberspace initiative had begun in 2006 "on a trial basis," around the same time Green engaged Pandolfi over the SERPO affair.

The AFP report, which quoted Toby Sullivan, a senior Pentagon CI (counter-intelligence) official, noted that the on-line operations were "not intended to catch spies but to turn their operations to US ends."[/offsite:hsizj676]

I've been reading this long drawn out timeline/explanation... its fuckin' LONG... but if its true...

This shit runs deep

[Cogburn]

Gah... not Bekkum....

Pack falls into SERPO Intellect Trap #1

[pack3tg0st]

hrm?

I'm still trying to get caught up lol what have I missed?

[mojo]

lol, i remember when i joined ats the whole serpo thing was just winding down but still was getting alot of attention, so naturally i checked out the main thread and the story.......i laughed so hard i nearly wet my pants.
it has amazed me to this day that anyone could have taken any of that stuff seriously.
but the proof of human intelligence reared its ugly head again on ats not much later with sleepers thread, you know the one, the guy with "uncle milton, the my favorite martian" whisking him about the solar system on sightseeing tours, having sex with alien chicks and so on, that thread had such huge post and page view stats and was so obviously bullshit and broke numerous ats T&C. but did anyone do anything about it, nup, not until it all fizzled out.
whether or not the IC are involved in any of this stuff is moot, if 90% of humans weren't so fucking gullible it wouldn't matter who or what was involved in the whole thing.
the more interesting question imo is "who gains anything from any of these types of cultish hoaxe's".
the answer imo is pretty obvious.

[boycotteverything]

tracking the "persons involved with the phenomenaThe core truth known to the IC is that there is an alien presence among us. What they don't know is the agenda of this hidden invasion. And while that may sound off the wall to you- it happens to be the conviction of a certain sector of the intelligence community. This is the 'secret' at the center of their world and it is real.

[pack3tg0st]

I DO find it rather interesting that it appears that SERPO started on ATS...

[mur]

I think they were taken by surprise by Wayne's involvement. There was enough skulduggery and subterfuge to last all these guys a lifetime. Strangest of all is that Serpo spin-offs are still being used to poison the well of Ufology, particularly at OM. Murnut can speak to that better than anyone else I know. He made himself a student of the second act of the soap opera- source A, exo-politics the Pickering brothers, Dan Smith, and all the other viral nonsense that Bren enables over there.

True, the virus continues with new players.

Pandolfi said once that he wanted to remove Doty and see who would fill the void.

Enter Source A......I also think it is possible the drone story fits the same mold

[Cogburn]

Hahah ok.. that wasn't fair.

Watch. Here's the quote.

[offsite:1yppnn66]It was Ron Pandolfi, the highly placed intelligence official and friend of Dan Smith, who released a series of email messages to and from Dr. Christopher Kit Green of the DIA TIGER Committee -- messages which include discussion of FBI involvement and the Justice Department.

The questionable use or misuse of references to FBI by both Green and Pandolfi are particularly troubling, given a generic inquiry to the FBI about Internet contact with CIA and DIA officials returned a response from the local Joint Terrorism Task Force.

It is a matter of public record that Pandolfi and his associates operated from the DIA, and Green consulted to TIGER, a DIA National Academies of Science committee.

Following the SERPO email affair, AFP and other mainstream news sources reported that the DIA "can operate in cyberspace" and can "conduct the operations inside the United States as well as overseas."

The DIA cyberspace initiative had begun in 2006 "on a trial basis," around the same time Green engaged Pandolfi over the SERPO affair.

The AFP report, which quoted Toby Sullivan, a senior Pentagon CI (counter-intelligence) official, noted that the on-line operations were "not intended to catch spies but to turn their operations to US ends."[/offsite:1yppnn66]Discussion of the FBI and Justice Department? When you make things up, you can say whatever you want about whomever you like no matter who it is that signs your paychecks... so long as none of it really exists and you never claim to anyone that it does.

Green and Pandolfi are DIA TIGER team members. Imagine Green leaning over a lunch table one day at a TIGER conference and saying, "Hey Ron... I've got this great schtick going on the Internet and if you want to play it might be fun. Not to mention we might learn a few things about the UFOlogy community..." That situation is equally as valid as any sort of communication Bekkum infers had occurred.

The only reason Bekkum has for connecting the DIA cyberspace intiative and SERPO/Pandolfi was the fact that it happened within the same calendar year. Here's a question... which came first? Interesting Bekkum doesn't say chicken or the egg. Perhaps he didn't research it himself or the truth contradicts his insinuation. I don't know enough about SERPO to even start looking to validate that one way or another, but it's certainly a valid question based on Bekkum's reliance upon it for the rest of his tale.

Bekkum is a hack. He spins a tale interesting enough that people will talk to him and want him to post on their forums. Nothing more, nothing less.

[mur]

In this craziness it's probably unwise to assume anything!Along those lines- I regret some of the things I've said to and about Shawanna, Dan Smith, Bob Collins, Kit Green, Hal Puthoff, Victor Martinez, Bill Ryan, Wayne Jaschke, Rick Doty et al- because it was all based on conclusions and assumptions at any given time. This thing is like a hall of mirrors- one moment you've identified the bad guys and the next moment they morph into good guys. For the IC operatives involved this is method. And they're pretty good at it.

I like Dan...I speak with him on the phone regularly.

[pack3tg0st]

tracking the "persons involved with the phenomenaThe core truth known to the IC is that there is an alien presence among us. What they don't know is the agenda of this hidden invasion. And while that may sound off the wall to you- it happens to be the conviction of a certain sector of the intelligence community. This is the 'secret' at the center of their world and it is real.

Sounds more than off the wall...

But, I haven't looked into it and researched it in the least...

still seems crackpot from my POV though...

[Cogburn]

Shit .... I'm starting to wonder if this didn't become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The moment it turned meme fodder it became the CIA op that everyone always thought it was... but was only a joke until that point.

Ron Pandolfi: Creating user generated content ecosystems of a type to make Bill Irvine wet his pants.

@pack: Occam likes his razor sharp. Sometimes you get cut with it, but it's worth it.

[mur]

tracking the "persons involved with the phenomenaThe core truth known to the IC is that there is an alien presence among us. What they don't know is the agenda of this hidden invasion. And while that may sound off the wall to you- it happens to be the conviction of a certain sector of the intelligence community. This is the 'secret' at the center of their world and it is real.

I pretty much agree with this...

Besides the data of tracking how info travels across the internet in subcultures, an obvious side benefit is the fishing expedition.

They provide the bait and see what "ufo fish" take the bait.

What better way to track more folks associated with the phenomena?

[Cogburn]

Ok you two... start sourcing.

This sounds much more interesting.

[boycotteverything]

I don't think Gary is a hack. Of course he doesn't have a total grip on the phenomena- no-one does. He's groping just like the rest of us. I think he has a sense of the core truth that I mentioned above but has never uncovered enough evidence to cop to it. He's cautious. There is a highly strange element at the center of Ufology. A silent invasion is indeed taking place. The potential damage to Western Civilization were it to be disclosed would cause the disintegration of the entire fabric of society- or so the IC believes. The conclusions of the Robertson Panel attest to that. When a great man like Dr. John Mack (RIP) says it is so, then it is definitely worthy of consideration.

[Cogburn]

... or so you're told the IC believes.

... or so you've been led to believe the IC believes.

You have just chosen to draw your line in the sand at an arbitrary point.

[boycotteverything]

... or so you're told the IC believes.I'm not new to this. The Robertson Panel published their report in the early 50's. Ive been following the field since the early 60's. Read the older literature for a less tainted point of view. Serpo is just current tactics.

[theeindiee]

Just those creepy thoughts scratching at the back of your mind.... clawing their way towards the light of day.

Imagine if insects were only rumored to exist. What would happen when the centipedes and millipedes started spilling onto the streets?
Imagine what people would do if that happened anyway. Imagine what people would do if dogs started uncontrollably misbehaving and running amok in the streets. Imagine what people would do if television was taken away, or heaven forbid... fast food joints stopped being fast.

Head Creeps. The invisible mongrel whining and clawing at his cage in the back of your mind to be let free. You might as well just let it free to run amok .

[mur]

Ok you two... start sourcing.

This sounds much more interesting.


It is just an opinion after what seems like thousands of hours of reading and thinking.

I can't explain or expect to convince you of why I feel the way I do.

There is a reason why the IC guys are sniffing around, and I don't believe it is for shits and giggles.

I don't think Gary is a hack either, but I'd agree that he is sometimes vague.

I guess he wants people to come to their own conclusions.

He does have to be a little careful...this is the IC we're talking about.

[hp]

Hard to believe, but if it were change the mindset of the human race I could see the powers viewing that as a major threat. That might be a slowly done process. If it were to take over, harvest the planet it would seem that it would have already happened.

For some reason I feel things would be different if it were true. Seem SOS for the last 50+ years with the direction of those running the world.

[Cogburn]

... or so you're told the IC believes.I'm not new to this. The Robertson Panel published their report in the early 50's. Ive been following the field since the early 60's. Read the older literature for a less tainted point of view. Serpo is just current tactics.To be fair, I have to at least say that that is the part that prompts my question from earlier in the thread.

However at this point I think the question should be when did it change from being a joke to being an Op.

... and that would be when Doty was marginalized.

Seriously though... The Robertson Panel was inconclusive (EDIT: as far to the existence of something alien).

Interesting that all the UFO paranoia on behalf of the US Government didn't start until the general paranoia of the Great Red Menace took hold of the American psyche.

Wouldn't be too much longer after the Robertson Panel or even Blue Book that McCarthy had everyone looking in their closets for Communists.

Too bad he didn't choose aliens instead, eh?

Except that you could at least accuse a person of being a Communist and leave room for doubt.

[boycotteverything]

Ok you two... start sourcing.

This sounds much more interesting.


It is just an opinion after what seems like thousands of hours of reading and thinking.

I can't explain or expect to convince you of why I feel the way I do.

There is a reason why the IC guys are sniffing around, and I don't believe it is for shits and giggles.

I don't think Gary is a hack either, but I'd agree that he is sometimes vague.

I guess he wants people to come to their own conclusions.

He does have to be a little careful...this is the IC we're talking about.We're on the same page. There is a huge body of literature concerning this reality. From Keyhoe to Hynek to Mack, Jacobs, Friedman, Sprinkle, MacDonald, Tim Good, Hopkins... I've read most of it. And it's convincing. It's a huge study and one ought not be so arrogant as to ask to have it explained in one sentence while standing on one foot.

[Cogburn]

William Cooper is obvious by omission from your list.

Your research seems one-sided.

We aren't approaching this from the same premise.

You want to believe.

[boycotteverything]

I left a hundred sources off the list. Wild Bill is in my library too. I don't 'want to believe' but rather to just follow the evidence.

[skunk]

Its not called a hoax for nothing.

[boycotteverything]

You want to believe.might i ask why it always becomes ad hominem with you?

[mur]

Well something is occurring....I don't know what it is.

I saw something myself in bright daylight in the early 70's when I was 10 or 11....over a gas station.

I can't explain it, but my eyes saw a bright silver metallic inverted cone...slowly rising....30ft off the ground...at about 150 yards.....and then it was gone.

Perhaps the cover-up exists for a good reason, but I will continue to ask questions.

I don't expect any answers.

[skunk]

murnut, I don't deny the UFO phenomena. I too witnessed something I cannot explain first hand in the sky. That doesn't mean "SERPO" is authentic.

[Cogburn]

Tim Good... the guy who wrote "Alien Base"? Jesus.

Your library could use some cleaning. There's still a bunch of Lear hiding in there.

[boycotteverything]

That doesn't mean "SERPO" is authentic.No-one here is claiming otherwise.

[boycotteverything]

Tim Good... the guy who wrote "Alien Base"? Jesus.That's him. Also a great violinist. Above Top Secret. Ever read that?

[Snow Crash]

I still think SERPO sounds like a coalition of Bond Villains working toward world domination.

[mur]

murnut, I don't deny the UFO phenomena. I too witnessed something I cannot explain first hand in the sky. That doesn't mean "SERPO" is authentic.

I don't think Serpo is authentic but it is not a conventional "hoax" either.

Hoax to me is another word for prank.

Serpo, whatever it is, had a lot of effort put into it.

It had a purpose that probably had little to do with the subject

[Cogburn]

Tim Good... the guy who wrote "Alien Base"? Jesus.That's him. Also a great violinist. Above Top Secret. Ever read that?
No... because the book was called Beyond Top Secret.

That book I did read.

[mur]

Tim Good is good...Above Top Secret is excellent


Whoops....I read "Need to Know"....but excellent

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/11/18/book/images/30056382-01.jpg

[boycotteverything]

No... because the book was called Beyond Top Secret.

Timothy Good's first book, Above Top Secret: The Worldwide UFO Cover-up (1987) became an instant bestseller, and is regarded widely as the definitive work...http://www.timothygood.co.uk/
He wrote both.

[Cogburn]

Ha! Touche.

[Cogburn]

Given the publication dates and the nearly matching subtitles I don't think I missed anything.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL wow, if you dive in the deep end of the serpo pool.. there's a shitload of reading to catch up on... and mountains of speculative nonsense...

I think I'm getting a clearer picture of the whole thing...

I love Occam...

But on a side note... here's something someone here might remember :P


The first response was from Cartoonsyndicate

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"It seems to me that [OM Admin] raised the possibility that TM was an amalgam of RU mods way back when. It was vehemently denied at the time by RU- especially by Shhawna. The speculation concerning the identity of TM was allowed to fester unabated for months. The members of both forums were played as fools. And for what purpose?
.......

And the result of the RU/TM deception? The same concurrence. The TM tactic is not dissimilar to the Moore deception concerning the issuance of false MJ12 material in order to elicit response from the UFO community. That deception has been roundly condemned here.

So I ask you- was it worth it?"

Ryan's response . . . more pride;

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"Yes, very much so. As I said above, and I'll say again . . . . . "A great deal of information has been obtained and continues to flow related to those motivations and the identities of the individuals inside and outside of the Team of 5 who were and are involved. . . . . . "


Cartoonsyndicate replies;

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"According to Phil Klass, Brad Sparks and even Stan Friedman, Bill Moore had similar motives. I see the TM and Moore deceptions as having distinctions without differences. And ultimately it is your credibility that has suffered. (When Sparks advised Moore to forgo his scheme it was based on this very same credibility issue.)

And while you may have achieved some success in this ruse, I maintain the the ends do not justify the means."


You're fuckin' everywhere man!

[boycotteverything]

Ha! Touche.No touche'- i don't really give a shit what you've read. i'm not here to convince you of anything. just answering a few questions by Pac. if you can take something away from my views on the affair- that's fine with me. if you need to dismiss me as bullshit- well that's ok too.

[boycotteverything]

You're fuckin' everywhere man!hahahah where is that from?

[pack3tg0st]

RU... internet archives...

LOL can't trust anyone to keep comprimising content... so I wayback machine when I research stuff

[Cogburn]

Ha! Touche.No touche'- i don't really give a shit what you've read. i'm not here to convince you of anything. just answering a few questions by Pac. if you can take something away from my views on the affair- that's fine with me. if you need to dismiss me as bullshit- well that's ok too.
Boycotteverything on UFO's: A SERPO fanboi with a head full of UFO garbage and little ability to sift through it.

Check.

[boycotteverything]

My erstwhile pal, Shawnna, loved to characterize the Serpo study as a vast series of rabbit holes. Rabbit holes- ant farms... well you're getting the idea! It can be addictive.

[pack3tg0st]

yah, the whole thing seems like a wierd kind of ARG...

But here's what I can't figure out... aside from all the "in game characters".

The story first broke on ATS...

RU was knee deep in the muck with the whole Tacticus bullshit...

Why?

[Cogburn]

Ummm... just in case you guys missed it

"thirty3"... the user on ATS that first posted the SERPO story and then disappeared....

Last logged in July 11, 2009.

The original SERPO sock is active again.

[Snow Crash]

RU was knee deep in the muck with the whole Tacticus bullshit...

Tacticus? Not Tacitus?

[Cogburn]

According to Shawnana this is the first ever SERPO posting anywhere...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185005/pg1

Did the lights just come back on for a second?

[boycotteverything]

Tacitus was a tactic used by Broadbent, Shawnna and Wayne (Springer claimed to know his true identity too) to flush out the anonymous sources behind the Serpo Postings that were appearing on Bill Ryan's website and also on OMF. Broadbent had managed to hack into Bill Ryan's email account and drove the Serpo posters nuts with his 'inside information.' hahahaha It was actually pretty funny but thoroughly underhanded. I think Shawnna finally exposed the entire ruse on Serpo.info. (absolving herself, of course...)

[boycotteverything]

If you're interested- this is the site where the posts were published. They're all there. http://www.serpo.org/

[pack3tg0st]

Want to see something rather interesting?

Centrist posts on ATS, the first mention anywhere of the name SERPO or the whole ordeal... says they have been posting on Serpo.org for the past month... the date of the post, November 30, 2005...

Whois: Serpo.org

Domain Name:SERPO.ORG
Created On:18-Nov-2005 09:10:21 UTC

[boycotteverything]

Want to see something rather interesting?

Centrist posts on ATS, the first mention anywhere of the name SERPO or the whole ordeal... says they have been posting on Serpo.org for the past month... the date of the post, November 30, 2005...

Whois: Serpo.org

Domain Name:SERPO.ORG
Created On:18-Nov-2005 09:10:21 UTChttp://www.serpo.org/

[Snow Crash]

Tacitus was a tactic used by Broadbent, Shawnna and Wayne (Springer claimed to know his true identity too) to flush out the anonymous sources behind the Serpo Postings that were appearing on Bill Ryan's website and also on OMF. Broadbent had managed to hack into Bill Ryan's email account and drove the Serpo posters nuts with his 'inside information.' hahahaha It was actually pretty funny but thoroughly underhanded. I think Shawnna finally exposed the entire ruse on Serpo.info. (absolving herself, of course...)

I see. Thanks BE. I asked, cos the name jumped out at me, being a Tiberian Sun fan and all that.

Interesting to name a tactic after the Roman historian, eh? Or maybe they named it after the TS one, seeing as the Tacitus was a data core containing lots of top secret alien knowledge and the like.

/geek attack

[pack3tg0st]

Serpo.org is alive again?

holy jesus man...

and links exclusively to OMF?

[mur]

OMF owns Serpo now

[boycotteverything]

Tacitus Monroe meant “silent no more” Tacitus is Latin for 'silent,' and 'no more' is an anagram of Monroe.

[pack3tg0st]

Does anyone know the history of how RU came about?

Like the story on how they got their start or why?

[boycotteverything]

pack3tg0st wrote:
I didn't know Mark started RU...

wierd... wonder what the fuckin' story on that one is

He didn't start it, he co-opted and enabled it. The forum was started by a couple of credulous Serpoista refugees from OM- Ryan Dubious and Steve Broadbent. They were soon joined by Trailorgirl Shawanna and Springer- all of whom arrogated to themselves the title of 'researchers.' The original circle jerk became a circular firing squad a couple of years ago and has stagnated ever since- one-post-per-week sort of stagnation. Cartoonsyndicate was also one of the first members and the most prolific poster until he and all his puppets were shit-canned by Ryan.

And fuck you for dragging me back into the Serpo ant farm, Pac. You little bastard.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL sorry lol

I'm thinking I'm on to something here though... but I want to get my ducks in a row before I start slinging allegations around...

Bet ya you can guess who keeps popping up in the middle of this...

I'll give you 1 guess lol

[boycotteverything]

springer

[Cogburn]

We have a winner!

http://www.mastersargentmolds.com/moldcat/figurines/ms407.jpg

[boycotteverything]

Nah. The real winner is ..... SPRINGER!!!!!!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/02/George_Bartusek.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

lol

[pack3tg0st]

The entire SERPO ordeal is amazingly circular... its amazing exactly how FEW people were actually pushing the hoax along...

I'll post a theory in secret forum...

I don't like to publicize my theories too much before I've got my ducks lined up...

[boycotteverything]

There were essentially 5 people involved. Or 8 if you count all the Doty alter egos. Many of the corroborating 'experts' have been proven to be members of Rick's puppet theatre. The COS/ Rons Org association still strikes a note with me. Before you allow yourself to come to any conclusions consider Bob Collins' little book, Exempt from Disclosure. This thing can't be wrapped up in one night's study. Trust me on that one! The RU guys have been struggling with it for 4 years now and they've yet to nail it.

[Cogburn]

Hey BE... how many members of the Denver City Council might you guess are Scientologists? Does it have a noticeable presence in that city?

Interesting that exopolitics got "official" backing from a legal entity, no?

[pack3tg0st]

There were essentially 5 people involved. Or 8 if you count all the Doty alter egos. Many of the corroborating 'experts' have been proven to be members of Rick's puppet theatre. The COS/ Rons Org association still strikes a note with me. Before you allow yourself to come to any conclusions consider Bob Collins' little book, Exempt from Disclosure. This thing can't be wrapped up in one night's study. Trust me on that one! The RU guys have been struggling with it for 4 years now and they've yet to nail it.

Occam's razor BE...

RU was in on it.

[Oblivion]

obama was in on it too

so was osama, and dick and bush.

theyre all in on it, along with the cia.

[boycotteverything]

Hey BE... how many members of the Denver City Council might you guess are Scientologists? Does it have a noticeable presence in that city?

Interesting that exopolitics got "official" backing from a legal entity, no?
1.) None.
2.) What the hell are you talking about?

[boycotteverything]

There were essentially 5 people involved. Or 8 if you count all the Doty alter egos. Many of the corroborating 'experts' have been proven to be members of Rick's puppet theatre. The COS/ Rons Org association still strikes a note with me. Before you allow yourself to come to any conclusions consider Bob Collins' little book, Exempt from Disclosure. This thing can't be wrapped up in one night's study. Trust me on that one! The RU guys have been struggling with it for 4 years now and they've yet to nail it.

Occam's razor BE...

RU was in on it.Occam needs to change his blade. hahahaha

[pack3tg0st]

Think about Zep Tepi's involvement for a min...

He was the one to verify the CIA info on Serpo.org

He was a mod at ATS

He was the one who invented Taticus Monroe.

He's to involved in the whole thing... he lied about his involvement every step of the way...

Who's to say he wasn't in cahoots with springer?

If you stop and think of how to pull off the hoax with the fewest amount of players... you can do it with three...

Centris, Springer, and Zep Tepi.

[hp]

Centris, Springer, and Zep Tepi.

Makes sense. Other than an experiment on the internet, and that most likely would have been used years ago, I think forum traffic seekers, not the government, would likely be behind it. ATS has a history.

[boycotteverything]

Think about Zep Tepi's involvement for a min...

He was the one to verify the CIA info on Serpo.org

He was a mod at ATS

He was the one who invented Taticus Monroe.

He's to involved in the whole thing... he lied about his involvement every step of the way...

Who's to say he wasn't in cahoots with springer?

If you stop and think of how to pull off the hoax with the fewest amount of players... you can do it with three...

Centris, Springer, and Zep Tepi.OK. Decent theory. What you should do with it is present it at RU and OM simultaneously and see how it flies. I wasn't aware that Zep was a mod at ATS. That's new information to me. And so in your estimation these three guys recruited Rick Doty, Kit Green, Victor Martinez, and Bill Ryan? Was Request Anonymous actually a Zep Tepi puppet?