Bill & Co Jump on GLP

[Lexion]

GLP Link (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message837831/pg1)

Heh.

Bill is such a dick.

I sent Trin a link of AmKon's last
run-in with him.

Oh well.....

Lex

[hp]

User-Generated Content Ecosystems

What the hell...every time I see that I laugh. So a forum is an ecosystem. Guess if they are eating members or the like.

[GeneralStriker]

The funniest part is this:
NOTE: You do not have my permission to post this email in public, and doing so will (unfortunately) result in our belief that your actions are with malice (based on prior similar experiences).


Thank you,
Bill Irvine
hahahahahahaha! Have a little malice in your coffee, Mr. Uberlard.

[hp]

This link situation is Bill playing up his site. I can see making a reference to the material but a link should not be required.

If a person quotes a book, the reference title. ISBN, page or such; They don't send you the book or drive you to the library.

My method is to publish a URL but not make it a link. This way hits on his domain name in that page points to the other site. He has jumped on people for using his domain name in the page file name when they publish the material. Why? Because the search link points away from Flags instead of to it. This way many references to the keywords of his domain lead away from it.

EDIT: inbound links helps his page rank in google

[hp]

From bill on their Creative Commons ideal

In one smooth stroke, we suddenly are openly denying ignorance in a way that makes us impeccably good "Internet citizens".

Their rules...

6) The content is not used for commercial purposes

but you can't do it with their material.



SkepticOverlord
posted on 1/16/2006 @ 20:38 http://75.126.76.151/forum/thread191290/pg1#pid1948662

[quote:30gy6nbc]Originally posted by djohnsto77
Not from what I understand, although ATS could assemble your writings posted here into a new book and undercut you by selling it for $0.99 less than yours

Although we could, we're not going to go there.[/quote:30gy6nbc]

[Snow Crash]

Damn you lex, you beat me to it. Oh well.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Snow - I deleted the other thread.

Yes, Bill's a cawksucka... Tell us something we don't know!

And the fatter wog said to the skinnier wog, "You didn't post a link to mah thread"

And the skinnier wog said to the fatter wog, "I didn't for shit eh!"

chk chk boom!

Fox

[Snow Crash]

Thats cool Fox.

Though you should have salvaged my comment about "That Fat Fucking Rupert Murdoch Wannabe"

;)

[hp]

now he has gone to the ISP with a take down/delete notice over the posted email.

EDIT: He claims too many prank calls...

[Snow Crash]

He claims too many prank calls...

The Boy That Cried Wolf

Oh how that would be a sweet scenario

SO: "OMG! SOMEONE INFRINGED ON THE ABOVE NETWORK!"

ISP: "Yeah yeah. Whatever. Go tell your shareholders"

[pack3tg0st]

jesus... what an asshole...

[offsite=http://www.godlikeproductions.com:144anhec]Database down.[/offsite:144anhec]

Talk about gay-ness

anyone copy/paste the GLP thread?

edit: It appears to be working again...

ddos?

[hp]

Ye reap what ye sow...

[Cogburn]

10 pages of "Fuck you Bill" and growing.

That dumbass has no idea when he's swatted a hornets nest.

Enjoy fucking with the monetary backing of C2 Media, dipshit.

You're about to get buried.

Glorious.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL I'm still reading through it...

We shoudl tell them that they can revoke ATS's non-exclusive rights to the content at any time, as long as it was posted before our spat with him earlier...

After our spat... he added the provision in his T&C that the permissions were non-revokable lol

[Cogburn]

50,000 requests from GLPtards asking to have their content removed from ATS?

Muhahahaha.....

[mojo]

has ats taken to bullying other internet sites?
this seems to me to be a good time to seek out other tribes and form a coalition of the willing. lol.

[boycotteverything]

Amkoids and Glippers- now we're talking one formidable army. Board war. I'm gonna ask Trin to come over here to discus it.

Posted at GLP-


Re: ATS Now Claiming If You Post There You Give Them Power of Attorney! pg8 - NEW DMCA THREAT!! - pg9 Quote

As you know, Amkon has had the very same run in with Septic Ubertard and a boy Sphincter. I suggest Trin and others come over to Amkon to discuss a mutual defense. Here's the thread- [link to www.amkon.net (http://www.amkon.net)]

[boycotteverything]

Two sites committed to free speech vs the Borg...

[Oblivion]

has ats taken to bullying other internet sites?
this seems to me to be a good time to seek out other tribes and form a coalition of the willing. lol.

would that make All The Sheeple a rogue nation or a terrorist cell?

[boycotteverything]

nah- just a pedestrian axis of evil.

[boycotteverything]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/59/220752510_8674018087.jpg?v=0
Dispepsic Ubertard, left, and Boy Sphincter plotting their revenge against the Glipper-Amkoid Alliance

[mojo]

is it me or have a number of CT sites statred having brain freezes lately.
first over at RU with chorlton, then the ats watch legal action thingy, then ats served us and now GLP, plus Open Minds turning into termite ridden minds.

fucking crazy shit.

[Lexion]

Quoting Trin from GLP (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message837831/pg12)

[offsite:1ezlj22p]Alright I've just emailed the lawyers off all the information...

I'm going to take action against ATS for abusing the DMCA....

The DMCA provides guidelines for recovering damages in dealing with people who issue false DMCA take down notices.

Bill is NOT authorized to act as "Legal Agent" for posters on his site via a simple "copyright policy" he posts on some obscure link on his site..

He most certainly isn't legally authorized to issue legal demands in YOUR NAME is he?

I don't think so and either does our law firm..

This is going to be FUN BILL![/offsite:1ezlj22p]

Getting interesting.

Lex

[pack3tg0st]

hey wait...

Bill didn't take us to court...

Its been 14 days...

we can restore our "WITD" thread to the public forums.

[offsite:1hd6nnfz]However, as per section 512(g) the isp is required to notify the complainant of the counter-notice and then *wait* before restoring access to the content in question. If the original complainant does not file a lawsuit in district court within 14 days they can then restore access to the material in question.[/offsite:1hd6nnfz]

[Lexion]

Great catch.

Is WITD still archived ?

Hoping,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

Yah, its in the secret forum... Jasn accidentally merged it with the "Secret" thread we were using for research... (Remember, we had a research thread in secret, and the public thread for findings as we got them in public...)

[pack3tg0st]

Wonder if we should let GLP know they can link to the IP like we did lol

That'll chap bill's ass

[Cogburn]

I'm interested to see just how much of our GLP investigation this situation validates/invalidates.

Part of me just can't help but think that Bill bit off more than he can chew this time.

I wonder what law firm Trinity is using...

[Snow Crash]

Has Billy Big Balls bitten of more than he can chew?

Has Sphincter been arrested for sexually abusing a beach ball?

Will ATS ever actually successfully intimidate any of its rivals?

Find out next week, in the next episode of "The Adventures of Septic Overflow"

"The Adventures of Septic Overflow" Copyright 2009 AmKon Comedy Inc. Mind you don't infringe, Bill....

[Cogburn]

This just added to GLP's disclaimer...



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For more information please visit:
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"Please be aware any communications sent complaining about a post on this website may be posted publicly at the discretion of the administration."

:lol:

[GeneralStriker]

I wonder what law firm Trinity is using...probably using Wayne Jaschke!

[Ducky]

hey wait...

Bill didn't take us to court...

Its been 14 days...

we can restore our "WITD" thread to the public forums.

[offsite:30uus7x7]However, as per section 512(g) the isp is required to notify the complainant of the counter-notice and then *wait* before restoring access to the content in question. If the original complainant does not file a lawsuit in district court within 14 days they can then restore access to the material in question.[/offsite:30uus7x7]

Yeah, I noticed that. If he pulls another 'take it down' episode, are we required to remove it again once it's been restored? How many times can that happen? Or is it... once it's up..'it's up' and done deal at that point. How does this work?

[GeneralStriker]

This just added to GLP's disclaimer...



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"Please be aware any communications sent complaining about a post on this website may be posted publicly at the discretion of the administration."

:lol:Gotta love Trin! hahahahahahaha

[mojo]

This just added to GLP's disclaimer...



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Please be aware any communications sent complaining about a post on this website may be posted publicly at the discretion of the administration.

This Disclaimer is subject to change at anytime.


"Please be aware any communications sent complaining about a post on this website may be posted publicly at the discretion of the administration."

:lol:

haha.....i think our's needs to be updated, much like our FAQ. :)

"please be aware that any whiny stoopid dumbfucks attempting to bully us or our members shall receive a richter 7.6 ass reaming".

[pack3tg0st]

Yeah, I noticed that. If he pulls another 'take it down' episode, are we required to remove it again once it's been restored? How many times can that happen? Or is it... once it's up..'it's up' and done deal at that point. How does this work?

I don't think he can give us another DCMA for the same material.. he failed to follow through and file with the courts...

If he does DCMA us again for the same material, then we have a legit suit against him for abusing the DCMA to get material removed...

He will never file in court... He would have to prove damages... which would be near impossible to do...

[GeneralStriker]

He will never file in court... He would have to prove damages.and let's not forget 'discovery.' hahaha what a putz this Uberlard is.

[hp]

Bill swinging his big stick is about equivalent to a wannabe teenage rock star playing his air guitar.

How come Bill's fan club never comes around to defend their master?

[Bitchkoma]

They did. Didn't you read some of the Anonymous Coward posts?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Hi guests!

Log in and have a say...

[GeneralStriker]

Some of Septic's kicked pups were here for a while- Heike, the Orange girls... They didn't last long nor did they have anything worthwhile to contribute- despite being supported by certain local mods.

[Lexion]

From GLP :

[offsite:241ygbin]They just updated their Terms & Conditions of Use:

July 14, 2009 -- Attribution remedy added.

To me it looks like this part was added (see bolded):

"3b) DMCA Enforcement: By posting on these domains, you grant the agents and officers of AT$ and its parent organization(s) the right to seek enforcement and legal remedy for any and all discovered usage violations falling under the DMCA and the Creative Commons content deed. Remedy in such cases, will always place a priority on proper attribution of you as the author and a link-back to your post (or posts), rather than removal."

Not sure I know what that means...[/offsite:241ygbin]

Can anyone verify ?

And explain the implications ?

Wondering,
Lex

[hp]

It means Amkon and others are helping Bill to run in circles rewriting his T&C.

He want the power to throw his weight around as he has been doing. He sees people point out the possible holes and he is trying to plug them.

[hp]

So, soon the day will come that the T&C content thread will need his 'large post thread' disclaimer as it approaches 1 GB is size.

[boycotteverything]

it's called 'pissing up a rope.'

[Cogburn]

Bill is treading legal water... I'm still not sure how much he's swallowing yet.

There's a fair bit of distance between having some shit posted in your T&C and having it enforced in a court of law.

From my research, the legal grey area is when the originator of the content is not related in a contractual way to the host of the information. An article by a freelance reporter that is published in a newspaper may only be published by permission from the author. Pressing "Submit" on a new post is the moment when such permission is granted in the context of a forum post.

ATS is attempting to use this form of argument to assert legal authority over content in the manner in which a newspaper asserts copyright authority over freelance contributions.

Unfortunately my friend, who's a judge for the state of Indiana, seems to disagree with this application. From our brief conversation this morning, her opinion is that the exclusive right to publish must be an express agreement between the publishing entity and the author of the work. If there is no agreement of exclusivity, none may be assumed. She also said that it could be argued that were the logic of ATS prove to be valid, analogous applications that do not contain such wording of exclusivity, such as comments made to Facebook/Twitter/IMs/blogs/etc, would then be owned by Facebook/Twitter/IMs/blogs/etc and usage would then require proper attribution, unleashing a potential flood of DCMA notices and courts tend to shy away from making rulings that have, as she put it, "long legs" unless there's an overwhelming need.

I have a feeling that ATS's attorney had the best of intentions and perhaps didn't consider that they would meet such stiff resistance to their application of the resolutions provided within the DCMA.

The fun part in all this is if it goes to court it could have implications across the internet. Depending on how uppity Trinity feels, we may be witnessing the beginnings of legal history.

[boycotteverything]

The key issue is discovery. And for that reason no lawsuit will ever take place.

[hp]

Guess who states...

"We initially simply asked to have proper links back to our member's content, they refused and over-reacted to a stunningly immature degree..."

Immature, like monitoring u2u traffic for members mentioning certain websites, banning those who ask difficult questions of the owners, removal of published urls to certain sites or intercepting referer to comment on there source site. If this is the game why it there any wonder that others will treat that site in a different light which is a negative one.

[pack3tg0st]

Guess who states...

"We initially simply asked to have proper links back to our member's content, they refused and over-reacted to a stunningly immature degree..."

Immature, like monitoring u2u traffic for members mentioning certain websites, banning those who ask difficult questions of the owners, removal of published urls to certain sites or intercepting referer to comment on there source site. If this is the game why it there any wonder that others will treat that site in a different light which is a negative one.

http://themindoftefft.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hypocrisy.jpg

[Cogburn]

It's like arguing with ApolloRising...

Apparently the most "mature" party is simply the one that first declares the other is behaving in an immature manner.

I'd be curious as to know what Bill considers immature.

Just because you have your own pulpit and some stationary with your name on it is hardly grounds for claiming you behave like an adult.

Although when you repeatedly act like a bitch I guess the only real recourse you have is calling the other guy immature.

Jesus... I've dated chicks that act like this...

[hp]

So he sends out 10 or 15 notices a month and most people apologize. Guess he has really been pissed that there are at least 4 sites who have told laughed at the demands. Chasing the Google page rank is, I suppose now a days, a major part of empire building. That, and not accepting anything but yes to demands.

[pack3tg0st]

anyone know if DCMA/internet takedown notices are public domain?

[Cogburn]

Better. There's legal precedent.

There is no expectation of privacy for written communications in which such expectation has not been agreed to by the parties involved. Removal of personal identifiers is a courtesy, not a requirement.

He's little more than embarrassed at having his dirty laundry hung out to dry in front of his fan base because his entire business plan revolves around deceiving his users with half-truths and lies of omission.

A commercial entity does what it does. I've got no problem with folks trying to make a buck on the internet, but this is just Bill trying to put a round peg into a square hole and wondering why he keeps getting splinters...

Creative Commons was never intended for this purpose... nor is any "open" copyright agreement...

To do what he wants requires becoming something the fanbase will not tolerate.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL fun stuff...

I was wondering if they're public domain because then we could find out how many DMCA complaints he has filed...

I just read an article... Targeting a competitor and not following through on DMCA complaints is illegal... flat out...

Its considered Harassment... especially when the DMCA complaints are unfounded...

Not only is he risking a DMCA law suit... but also a civil suit for harassment...

I'm reading up on cases similar to ours and what has happened...

[hp]

Targeting a competitor and not following through on DMCA complaints is illegal... flat out...

Its considered Harassment...

Sweet.

He can keep it up and one day some one will call him on it or, better yet, every one can ban together and call him.

[pack3tg0st]

I found the perfect song for ATS...

From now on, when I hear this song... i'll think of ATS...

Is that wrong?

4]p2ejJB7Adc44]

[skunk]

This one works too:

Immortal Technique - Payback
e]aH774jH3elke]

[pack3tg0st]

LOL oh shit skunk...

I forgot about this one...
c]5PDBg7wYCQIc]

[hp]

Looks like complaints only go the the accused or ISP. I'm guessing the would have to be a suit in order to know unless one of the parties speaks up. There doesn't seem to be a committee who tracks them officially. My guess only.

[pack3tg0st]

Yah, I noticed that too...

there is this website though: http://www.chillingeffects.org/

We should put our DMCA on their archive... and encourage GLP to do the same...

[Snow Crash]

It's like arguing with ApolloRising...

You can get ointment for soreness, yknow Cog...

[Jackinthebox]

Wish I had gotten banned from ATS before I wasted so much time over there sharing my material.

[pack3tg0st]

lol don't we all jack...

I made the mistake of starting some research over there...

Good thing I never posted any results... bill would be harassing me non-stop when it comes time to publish...

[Jackinthebox]

lol don't we all jack...

I made the mistake of starting some research over there...

Good thing I never posted any results... bill would be harassing me non-stop when it comes time to publish...

I found it pretty interesting that I went from being a well liked, well repsected, very active member over there, to suddenly being banned several times right in a row in a matter of a week or so. This was all just after I posted some well researched material. Now the material and the conlsusions I drew from it were very anti-government to say the least. But I would have much preferred Bill just tell me that it was simply "too hot" to be allowed there, then try to cover his ass with the sideshow that led to my being banned.

[pack3tg0st]

Hrm... I'll have to find your work and take a look.

Was your ATS name Jackinthebox?

[Jackinthebox]

Hrm... I'll have to find your work and take a look.

Was your ATS name Jackinthebox?

Yup, same name. I also posted some of the same material over on GLP.

So now I'm wondering exactly why Bill has his panties in a twist over GLP. How the hell does he know wether or not the stuff was not posted by the original author on both sites? I'm probably missing something there. Were ATS members complaining that their stuff was being lifted and posted on GLP without credit, or is this all Bill?

[pack3tg0st]

Its all Bill...

His beef with us, was that I had some of the WITD posts in my research thread... WITD according to Bill was a hacker... so, how does copyright law work when the original material was posted illegally?

Bill's DCMA said he was the "authorized agent" for Whispersinthedark...

I think our scenario was more about stopping our research than anything else...

What post/thread originally got his beef at GLP?

[hp]

It's all about the inbound links. We didn't have one in every post here. GLP had the domain name wrong. It screws with the Google link flowing to his site.

Remember they get half the visits from google, whether the visit stays or not. Many are new unique which helps for ad pushing.

[Eyeforalie]

Wow...

At it again huh?

Hello all the new peeps.


Its happening all over.
Concentrate your visions.

I wish I had the time to get into all this. If you guys need any help shout out.

May the force be with you all.

[pack3tg0st]

lol yah Eye...

Remember that WITD thread?

well... we went public with it again lol

we've also been watching GLP fight the ATS machine...

Bill sux.

[Jackinthebox]

I think it was the "Illegetimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States" thread. I should actually start a thread here with it. It's a good piece. I thought I did post it here actually, but it look like my account info here has been cleared. I haven't been over here in a long time.

But anyway, I don't remember the whole time frame at the moment, but I originally submitted the piece as a part of the "ATS Premium" initiative that wound up going nowhere. I tried to get an answer one way or the other as to wether or not they were going to buy the piece, and they kept stalling me, then finally just ignored me. So I went ahead and just posted it as a regular OP. It wasn't long that I started getting attacked by what I believe were bona fide agents/shills. One in particular has even been banned and still kept coming back under different names and so forth. But anyway, I put the logical smackdown on the disinfo artists and the next thing I know I'm getting attacked by a new mod out of nowhere. Nasty exchanges by U2U, and then "mysteriously" there was a big data loss of everyones U2U's.

I can't even remember the whole thing now, but there was just a lot of bad shit there. I am fully convinced that I was shut up deliberatley because of truth that i was speaking. In fact, they never even did tell me why I was banned finally. I had never even received a warning over there, and suddenly I found myself banned severl times in like a week or two, then silence.

[Eyeforalie]

Bill is evil and should be raped by caged gorillas with monkey AIDS.

Ha. The WITD thread. What the fuck.

Im confused by who is who here now...How many newbs are around?

If there hasnt been a push for collaboration there should be.

[Jackinthebox]

I was here for a few months, oh, maybe a year ago or so.

[Eyeforalie]

Yea. I remember you.

I just see some people online that Ive never seen before, and havnt been around much. Oh , well. Ill learn.

[ApolloRising]

It's like arguing with ApolloRising...

Apparently the most "mature" party is simply the one that first declares the other is behaving in an immature manner.

Speaking of maturity... I'm immature... Yet for some reason you get personal first and bring shit all over the board for no reason? Yeah, that's mature. So, wait, who you dissing for their immature behaviour?

*walks down the street* *whispers* You know that Cogburn, he's gay!'

Yeah, real mature. Look at you, Coggy, running around the board, acting like a little bitch 'Oh, please sir, Apollo did this!', get over it. If you don't like getting the shit ripped out of you, don't A) Post stupid, generalising bullshit and then B) get personal. Your problem.

'Please mods...please he acts so immaturely, won't you warn him!'

Deal with it, stop bitching. It's not ATS, right?


Although when you repeatedly act like a bitch I guess the only real recourse you have is calling the other guy immature.

Jesus... I've dated chicks that act like this...

You'd dated chicks like me?

wait....

You've dated chicks?

WAIT!

You've dated!?




Edit: typo

[boycotteverything]

I was here for a few months, oh, maybe a year ago or so.oh yeah- the peanut butter guy.

[Jackinthebox]

I was here for a few months, oh, maybe a year ago or so.oh yeah- the peanut butter guy.

You mean when they poisoned the peanut butter to get everyone to stop eating it? Yeah, I probably posted about that here if it was around that time.

[Eyeforalie]

Apollo-

Fuck you. That was a bitch move.

[ApolloRising]

Apollo-

Fuck you.

Alie -

Fuck you. When attacked I defend myself. Tis standard practice.

[Eyeforalie]

Deal with it, stop bitching. It's not ATS, right?

[Bitchkoma]

[..] it was the "Illegetimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States" thread. I should actually start a thread here with it. It's a good piece. I thought I did post it here actually, but it look like my account info here has been cleared. [..]

We had a glitch in our DB (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=6590) and a lot of posts/threads died-ed. (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6889)

[boycotteverything]

Fuck ATS. Smeglick Uberlard is a limp-dicked pretender. Steal their shit if you need to. there. right thread.

[ApolloRising]

Deal with it, stop bitching. It's not ATS, right?

Not sure what your point is... I'm not running around complaining about other members. I'm defending myself when attacked... so I don't see your point in quoting me there.

[boycotteverything]

I'm defending myself when attackedit's over, Apollo. you did well. not sure where Eye is coming from with that crap but it certainly doesn't apply to you.

[Eyeforalie]

All I ment was that you bit. Cog does that shit from time to time.
Do you think your going to change that by bitching? You should have PM'd him and straightened it out.

IMO it was hypocritical. But so is this post I suppose.

Whatever, your cool. I just thought it was kind of a silly response.

[Bitchkoma]

Fucker. Nobody here is supposed to bitch more than The Bitch hey fucker. Don't be like that lah macha. Dey!

[boycotteverything]

ok make nice, kids. you're two of my favorite ankonite carbon units.

[Eyeforalie]

ok make nice, kids. you're two of my favorite ankonite carbon units.

Who?

Im being nice now. Its all cool. Sorry for saying "Fuck you". That was to expressive for the situation.

[pack3tg0st]

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[boycotteverything]

ok make nice, kids. you're two of my favorite ankonite carbon units.

Who?

Im being nice now. Its all cool. Sorry for saying "Fuck you". That was to expressive for the situation.Oh shit. I musta missed the 'fuck you' but it's ok- I hear it all the time. hahahaha

[Eyeforalie]

The fuck you was at Apollo.

But fuck you too.

And fuck you Pac.

You left. You let the lovers of chaos run a muck. I got all excited about collaboration and such and had no positive outlet so I reacted negativity.

Fuck me too.

[boycotteverything]

The fuck you was at Apollo.

But fuck you too.

And fuck you Pac. now that's eye we know and love!

[mojo]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message837831/pg15

Haha, 13730 page views, now thats some really good publicity ATS are generating for themselves amongst the conspiracy community.

:lol:

[boycotteverything]

i think we're watching a suicide by train wreck here. and we're loving it!

[Jackinthebox]

[..] it was the "Illegetimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States" thread. I should actually start a thread here with it. It's a good piece. I thought I did post it here actually, but it look like my account info here has been cleared. [..]

We had a glitch in our DB (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=6590) and a lot of posts/threads died-ed. (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6889)

Wow. That sucks. Kinda like losing your whole porn collection. Lot of good stuff lost there. Thanks for the info though.

[hp]

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[offsite=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353530/pg148#pid6720176:twgu88jj]SkepticOverlord
posted on 7/16/2009 @ 08:04

Originally posted by titorite
Is linking to GLP now automatically censored on ATS?


Until the dust settles.

There exists a confusing level of animosity toward us (and me) for which I have no idea how or why it started.

About two years ago, we became concerned that anyone mentioning ATS was getting insta-banned over at "G-L-P" and that links to our domain were automatically converted into an obscenity. We made contact to inquire as to the reasons for the stance, and were immediately met with a rather over-the-top response filled with an unreasonable level of hate.

Once that subsided, and we could actually converse (via AIM), it was discovered that their owner/admin was rather upset over some threads on ATS that cast aspersions in their direction. It turned out the threads were rather old, and I offered to move them out of public display (in to RATS) in the spirit of cooperation between our two sites. That seemed to solve the issue as they stopped auto-banning and auto-replacing our domain name. (They also offered to place us on their "links" page, but we declined.)

Since then, things have appeared to be fine... no contact, no concerns, no problems.

Then, out of the blue, it happened again... and for reasons unknown.

There are several instances where their members have done the right thing when pasting content from ATS... placing a link to the original material here. But at some point in the past few months, they started auto-replacing our domain with an obscenity again. -sigh-

I sent a polite email inquiring as to why this was happening, and could it please stop. The response was vulgar email filled with immature angst... and nothing approaching an explanation. To make matters worse, my email was posted complete with my phone number (included in my signature for all business emails), and I've since received over 30 harassing phone calls (some of which have been reported)... as the email was posted within the context of, "we'll make him pay for this."

So, our next step was to send a DMCA notice to please include proper attribution links within content from our site... or, if they refuse, to remove the content. In an amazing spirit of unbridled animosity, they elected to remove the content rather than refrain from auto-replacing our domain with an obscenity.

It's unfortunate that it came to this. Our only, and still only, request is to simply provide proper attribution when posting the content of our members. Rather than consider civilized Internet etiquette and ethics, the decision has been to continue a spirit of uncooperative and inexplicable loathing.

I have no idea why this started again (really).

I have no idea why a simple request for proper link-backs has resulted in such a drama blow-up.

It's unfortunate... but that's the current situation.[/offsite:twgu88jj]

Might it have to do with the way some ex-members of someone's site were treated.

[Cogburn]

GLP had been doing the fuck_off.com for at least a year. You can go through some of the mega threads and see that.

I'd be curious to see if it was removed for just a week or a day or something, if at all.

Hey Bill... stop trying to claim ownership over things that don't belong to you and people will not hate you.

Hey Bill... stop manufacturing hoaxes so people will visit your site and people will not hate you.

Hey Bill... stop manipulating the conversation on ATS via draconian interpretations of "free speech" and maybe people will not hate you. Smoke a little weed and maybe it won't be so scary for you when people talk about it.

Hey Bill... stop pretending like we've all got the intellects and memories of goldfish and maybe people will not hate you.

Hey Bill... stop attempting to negatively characterize your competition in some half-assed attempt to gain the morale high ground with your audience and maybe people will not hate you.

Hey Bill... have the balls to follow through on a threat and maybe people will not hate you.

[boycotteverything]

links to our domain were automatically converted into an obscenity. hahahahaha!!!!! god bless Trinity!!

[hp]

That seemed to solve the issue as they stopped auto-banning and auto-replacing our domain name.

So it would appear that Bill got around to checking again without the realization that nothing had changed. May be feed back from an investor?

[Cogburn]

... more likely a "Yeah, yeah, I checked. It's fine, they stopped" accompanied by a dismissive wave of the hand ...

[ApolloRising]

All I ment was that you bit. Cog does that shit from time to time.
Do you think your going to change that by bitching? You should have PM'd him and straightened it out.

IMO it was hypocritical.

Well, don't mind if Cog does it from time to time. If he wants to play, I 'll play, it's all good. I'm not gonna send him a message about it. It's his choice, I will defend myself in like when and where he chooses to do it.

And it's not hypocritical to berate someone for coming along and chatting shit about you in a random unconnected thread. It would be if I then mentioned him in a derogatory manner equally in another unrelated thread... so..

Yeah, that's also. Happy posting and all that.

[mojo]

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353530/pg148#pid6720176


There exists a confusing level of animosity toward us (and me) for which I have no idea how or why it started.

lol.........i could make a couple of guesses, you are bully's, hypocrits and arrogant sob's.


About two years ago, we became concerned that anyone mentioning ATS was getting insta-banned over at "G-L-P" and that links to our domain were automatically converted into an obscenity. We made contact to inquire as to the reasons for the stance, and were immediately met with a rather over-the-top response filled with an unreasonable level of hate.

what a coincidence, about 2 years ago we became concerned that anyone mentioning AmKon was getting inst-banned over at A-T-S and that links to our domain were being automatically filtered and flagged, particularly in member u2u's. We didn't bother making contact because it seemed like rather childish behaviour.


.
So, our next step was to send a DMCA notice to please include proper attribution links within content from our site... or, if they refuse, to remove the content. In an amazing spirit of unbridled animosity, they elected to remove the content rather than refrain from auto-replacing our domain with an obscenity.

You are amazingly hypocritical Bill.
I sent you a cordial u2u asking for a link to be placed within a thread of mine yet in an amazing spirit of unbridled animosity you chose to remove the content and reply to me with a deletion "form" letter.
Who's the big fucking child?



It's unfortunate that it came to this. Our only, and still only, request is to simply provide proper attribution when posting the content of our members. Rather than consider civilized Internet etiquette and ethics, the decision has been to continue a spirit of uncooperative and inexplicable loathing.

I have no idea why this started again (really).

Then you need to seek professional help as it's obvious you have no understanding whatsoevcer of how humans interact, socialise and behave.


I have no idea why a simple request for proper link-backs has resulted in such a drama blow-up.

Because you behave like fucking bully's, as you did with us, you have no concept at all of negotiation or conducting cordial communication.

[pack3tg0st]

No visitors in here today...

Bill must be sleeping...

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

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Can you feel it, Mojo? Can ya?

[pack3tg0st]

Are there ANY CT sites left that bill is friendly with?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Would you want to be a part of such a forum?

[pack3tg0st]

Well, it wouldn't bother me to be party of a forum who was friendly...

Seriously, every forum out here thinks that all the people in other forums are loonies... But the real animosity comes from the Bullshit that Bill pulls...

If bill wasn't an ass... I bet Amkon would be friendlier towards ATS...

We would still think they're hopeless sheep though...

[skunk]

Most of us would probably still be over there packet. Well, if they also allowed discussion of all conspiracy theories and not the ones they like. Drugs are a no-no.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Most of us would probably still be over there packet. Well, if they also allowed discussion of all conspiracy theories and not the ones they like. Drugs are a no-no.

What they "don't allow" is why we're no longer there.

On some level, we all miss kindergarten, but, having played in the adult world, not many of us would go back...

[pack3tg0st]

I guess, since I like to observe and study the "group-think" over there...

Using your metaphor, That makes me the creepy old guy sitting on the park bench watching all the kids play?

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6293475-lg.jpg

[Cogburn]

I don't think Bill Irvine, the human being, is an asshole. Quite the opposite, after talking to him on the phone, I think he's someone I'd get along with over a beer.

However, Bill Irvine, the CEO of AboveNetworks, LLC, is an anathema to conspiracy theory research and the quicker he moves on to his next Fortune 100 tit to suck, the better.

If I can hasten that time along, I will.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

I guess, since I like to observe and study the "group-think" over there...

Using your metaphor, That makes me the creepy old guy sitting on the park bench watching all the kids play?

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6293475-lg.jpg

lol, only if in service to prurient interests...

Otherwise, more like a Greek Chorus to the ongoing debacle.

[mojo]

I don't think Bill Irvine, the human being, is an asshole. Quite the opposite, after talking to him on the phone, I think he's someone I'd get along with over a beer.

However, Bill Irvine, the CEO of AboveNetworks, LLC, is an anathema to conspiracy theory research and the quicker he moves on to his next Fortune 100 tit to suck, the better.

If I can hasten that time along, I will.

true cog, in most of the communication i've had with Bill he seemed...genuine....but then either Mark stuck his nose in and threatened legal action, or Bill would refuse to even consider the other side of the coin, or some ass kissin rag from ats would stir up shit....and so it go's.

what tickles me is the whole hypocrisy of all this DMCA crap.
since the day Jasn started this site they have filtered or banned any linking to this site whatsoever, even last week when giving Bill the opportunity to link my thread at ATS or remove it, he chose to remove it, and then accuses GLP of being hateful towards him for doing the same thing, thats just fucking scary ridiculous.
they have no concern for the research and discussion of alternative topics or conspiracy theory's otherwise they would attempt to exist within that community if not on a friendly basis then at least as allies in the war.
there was an opportunity in the early days of this site for amkon and ats to mend broken bridges and at least coexist without enmity, there was some reasonable discussion going on between myself, jasn, bill and djarums. and then mark stuck his nose in and threatened us with "the mavin", whatever the fuck that is. (some legal dude i presume).
its all been downhill since.
and the slope seems to be getting a hell of a lot slippyier since, with not just us but other CT forums.
the bar has been raised, and their reputation is taking a battering, i know of a small group of folk who have made it a mission to populate every single CT forum on the CT top sites list with posts of all the recent attacks on smaller CT forums by Bill and his cronies.

[phushion]

Dont yah just love a good drama...

[boycotteverything]

after talking to him on the phone, I think he's someone I'd get along with over a beer.
Bottom line? Husbanding his investment. Bill has no over-riding interest in 'truth.' It's all about the growth and profitability of his borgist enterprise. That's probably why you and he might enjoy a beery schmooze.

[pack3tg0st]

i know of a small group of folk who have made it a mission to populate every single CT forum on the CT top sites list with posts of all the recent attacks on smaller CT forums by Bill and his cronies.

And thats just here at Amkon! lol

Imagine what the rest of the internets has in store for him...

[GeneralStriker]

Imagine what the rest of the internets has in store for him...the dissolution of the evil empire!

[hp]

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[Cogburn]

its all been downhill since.
and the slope seems to be getting a hell of a lot slippyier since, with not just us but other CT forums.
the bar has been raised, and their reputation is taking a battering, i know of a small group of folk who have made it a mission to populate every single CT forum on the CT top sites list with posts of all the recent attacks on smaller CT forums by Bill and his cronies.
He wants to own "the big one"... which is why he doesn't want to play ball.

If he makes it so content must be posted there and not linked from other sites, he owns the thread, as opposed to the content. The discussion that evolves is what he owns, because it is indeed unique to his website.

If you start to pollute that discussion with input from outside sources, you can't claim to own the discussion anymore and your exclusive to "the big one" disappears.

[mojo]

whoops.

[Bitchkoma]

Are you bumping all these AT$ threads for a reason?

[skunk]

It appears so.

[mojo]

Are you bumping all these AT$ threads for a reason?

i'm clumsy.

oh and just wanted Bill to know that i am going through all the old threads to make sure that the correct attribution and links are provided to quoted content from ATS, prefaced by this banner of course.

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[pack3tg0st]

mojo...

You have my full permission to add that tag to absolutely any post I've made here on amkon...

if ya think it shoudl be added... add it...

I would do it myself tonight... but currently, I'm kinda sloshed... and by kinda, I mean keeping my feet on the ground to keep the room from spinning...

When the hangover subsides sometime in the next few days, i'll go through and try and hit up all my old shit to add that...

[skunk]

Too many of G.W.'s brewskis?

[pack3tg0st]

nah... didn't drink in last night...went out...

Bars frown on their customers dragging a keg behind em lol

but too many would be an accurate statement lol

I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm still drunk...

[mojo]

I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm still drunk...

it's the times that i'm sober that bother me.

[pack3tg0st]

sobriety is that time between hangovers isn't it?

[mojo]

sobriety is that time between hangovers isn't it?

yeah and getting high.

it should run at about 1.7% of your waking life.

[pack3tg0st]

lol I don't get high though...

Just booze, cigs and coffee...

so I think my sober time is a little more than that percentage unfortunately...

[mojo]

i only drink when i cant get high, and im only straight when i cant get drunk.

the rest of the time i'm an upstanding model citizen.

[mojo]

for jediassfiller.

[Lexion]

the rest of the time i'm an upstanding model citizen.


for jediassfiller.

Too easy.

[Lexion]

Bump

[anarch]

and a good bump it was. Excellent choice sir.