Islamic Plot To Take Over World..... Apparently

[ApolloRising]

OK, so here's a youtube video someone linked me to a little while ago. I found it quite shocking in it's suggestion that Islam is currently conspiring take over the wolrd.

Here's a link to the video... I can never get youtube videos to post so if someone else can add it to the post please do. But for now, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

The basic premise is that...Muslims have lots of kids and immigrate a lot, so... they must be part of a calculated plot to overthrow our ever so nobel civilisation.

Or, to rephrase that, the basic premise is: People from less educated nations (Often Islamic nations don't have the greatest of educational systems in place) have lots of children, and want to leave their wartorn nations... Therefore they must be conspiring against our very freedoms. Not just acting naturally given their surroundings and cultural background.

I think it's highly noteworthy that the description says this: Islam will overwhelm Christendom unless Christians recognize the demographic realities, begin reproducing again, and share the gospel with Muslims.

Noting 'christendom' and 'christians'. So clearly it seems the issue isn't Muslims taking over the world...but rather Islam becoming a more powerful religion than Christianity.

Anyway, interested to see what you guys think of this 'educational' video.

[boycotteverything]

Here ya go...

And by the bye- since you're English you might want to consider this insanity posted in a different thread:

Britain Combats Swine Flu

The UN and the EU today signed a contract with a large Israeli construction company to build a 24' high barrier wall surrounding the entire island of Britain in order to prevent the pig flu from spreading beyond its borders. The work has commenced in the south and will be fully underway within 12 hours. The work force is currently arriving on German and Japanese ships and will consist of 30 million Muslims recruited from Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt. The project is expected to be completed in 30 days and as part of the compensation package the entire work force is to be granted UK citizenship. A further edict was been issued by Parliament late last night requiring every household in England to provide lodging and other accommodations at least 4 of the new workers each. These accommodations shall consist of basic human needs including food, bathing facilities and sexual services required of every British woman between the ages of 13 and 62 in accordance with Sharia law. Late last night Parliament amended the law exempting MPs from these provisions.

http://www.tadamon.ca/wp-content/uploads/the%20wall.jpg
Section of the Wall in Portsmouth completed last night

More on this developing story later
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[ApolloRising]

Thanks Boycott... Dunno what it is...can never seem to get the damn things to post.

[Cogburn]

The immortal words of Edward Longshanks comes to mind... "If you can't weed them out, breed them out."

Fuck religious designs on ideological world domination.

Fuck European paranoia that the world may be changing outside their control. First it was all those damn dirty Poles and other slavs taking jobs, now it's the Muslims! And they have Sharia! Oh Heavens!

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.

The person you should always point a finger at first is yourself.

"noble"

[ApolloRising]

And Cog spouts ignorance about other peoples again. You've really got some serious race issues you should deal with. Note that that video is of America origins... so I guess it's not us that are so paranoid... but rather you guys...

[Lexion]

I normally stay out of religious
shit, but you brought up an
interesting word :

Paranoid.

Which stems from fear.

Which leads to extremism.

My take on the matter is that
religions, boiled down to their
purest form aren't inherently evil.

The people that preach them, and
twist the meanings are where the
evil and fear springs from.

Anyway, just my thoughts.

Lex

[Bitchkoma]

The day the whole world is Muslim is the month before the end of the world. Or so I've heard the imam say about the prophecy of Qiamah. And at that moment there is no absolution. With that in mind I'm in no hurry for that day to happen.

Now, for the rational part.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!

Man this is ridiculous. The Outgroup is not a Monolith. There is no Plan. Everyone is just trying to make ends meet and continue their legacy, be that their Work or their Genes. If that requires moving to another land, so be it.

[Cogburn]

Note that that video is of America origins... so I guess it's not us that are so paranoid... but rather you guys...
Is it? I don't see proof of that anywhere. In fact, the majority of the content of the video dealt with Europe. Are you assuming American origin because of the accent?

Check who posted that video. He lists his country as "Lebanon".

http://www.youtube.com/user/friendofmuslim

I do, however, see volumes of "the Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming" from a variety of European sources from the past 10 years.

Nice try, dumbass. When you attempt to lie to support your point, a grain of truth in there wouldn't hurt.

[ApolloRising]

Cog, yes, the accent. I'm assuming that the person who made the video is the person who narrates it, or at least is nearby said person, as is generally the case with such videos. And regardless of where he lives now, it's safe to say an American was used in the making of this video. Not a european. The person suggesting paranoia has an American accent, so, unless us Europeans make youtube videos in accents...then?

Furthermore, it emphasises Europe towards the start, yes. The end of which focuses on America (specifically just America - not like it did when it discussed Europe... wherein it mainly generalised and cited some German studies). What's more likely... That he's an American living in Lebanon, that he's not put his actual location... or that he decided to narrate a video in an accent throughout or decided to hire an american voice actor (who happens to live in Lebanon, or where the creator actually is) specifically for the purposes of this video...

So to sum up. Is there any evidence that a European made this video? No. Is there any evidence that an American made/was involved in the making of this video? Yes. Possibly an American in Lebanon.

Yeah, so, nice try dumbass... etc etc.

Not to mention, regardless of whether I was wrong in my assumption...which, see above... doesn't give the right to talk basisless shit about an entire continent. Grow a fucking brain or something, man.

[Lexion]

Hold that thought !!!

My popcorn is almost ready !!!

Munching,
Lex

[Snow Crash]

Ah yes, this definately smells like the shit they use to motivate sheep Christians into supporting the War of Terror/George's Crusade against the 'evil Muslims' who are going to kill us all.

I do like how the motives are laid bare though when the vid gets round to discussing the US fertility rates. 1.6, but with the influx of Latinos, that raises to 2.11 "the bare minimum to sustain a culture".

Hold on, so now those 'evil Mexicans' are the good guys who have the 'same culture' as the Americans? When did that happen? Oh wait, it's just some Christian competition based paranoia...

And while we're discussing morons:


Fuck European paranoia that the world may be changing outside their control.

Did you actually WATCH the video, Cog? Or is it another case of you storming into a thread and spouting some ignorant shit? The vid is made by a fucking AMERICAN, you silly fuck.


First it was all those damn dirty Poles and other slavs taking jobs,

Mexicans and right wing US paranoia about them? Ring any bells? There's paranoia about immigration all over the west. Try very hard not to be a retard ALL your life, Cog.


now it's the Muslims! And they have Sharia! Oh Heavens!

Now? See, this shows what little you actually know. The fucking issue with eastern European immigration into western Europe has been fairly recent when compared to the anti-Muslim paranoia that burst onto the mainstream scene following the start of America's War of Terror.


Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.

LOL... wow... thats almost Kacen-like in its sheer bullshittery.

[skunk]

The basic premise is that...Muslims have lots of kids and immigrate a lot, so... they must be part of a calculated plot to overthrow our ever so nobel civilisation.


Wow, the mormons must be plotting the take over of the world based on that idea too.

[Cogburn]

Europe towards the start? You mean to say that it doesn't discuss the United States at all until the last 2 minutes of a 7:30 minute video. You really don't want me to go through that video and count, with timestamps, the number of times European nations are mentioned as opposed to anywhere else in the world, do you?

Yet again you assume facts not in evidence and then draw conclusions based on them, even ignoring your own arguments in the process! You admit the possibility of a hired voice actor for a YouTube video and that doesn't strike you as odd? Is that something that grass-roots activists do?

This video simply smacks of professionally produced propaganda of the Geert Wilders variety. In fact, since this seems to be what you go for... I'll just go ahead and post FITNA for you. You'll love it.
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I could just as easily say that your OP video was a production of the BNP and have as much proof of my assertions as you do for saying it is an American production. You were talking out of your ass when you said that and got called on it. Don't try to defend it. Get over yourself.

[ApolloRising]

The basic premise is that...Muslims have lots of kids and immigrate a lot, so... they must be part of a calculated plot to overthrow our ever so nobel civilisation.


Wow, the mormons must be plotting the take over of the world based on that idea too.

Shit. I regret agnosticism now.

[Ducky]

The immortal words of Edward Longshanks comes to mind... "If you can't weed them out, breed them out."

Fuck religious designs on ideological world domination.

Fuck European paranoia that the world may be changing outside their control. First it was all those damn dirty Poles and other slavs taking jobs, now it's the Muslims! And they have Sharia! Oh Heavens!

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.

The person you should always point a finger at first is yourself.

"noble"

I see what you're saying.

Let's see if I get this correctly...

Instead of always pointing our snot nosed crooked fingers at others, we need to take a self-inventory of ourselves. Change begins within.

If you all are anything like myself, you probably get disgusted with what you see in the news. BE had the right idea about blowing up our TV's, but that in itself is just a quick fix imho. This shit isn't going to go away anytime soon...with or without the media's help.

From my understanding so far, the media has been cajoled/bribed/bought out/otherwise, into reporting 1/2 truths.

I'm reminded of an X-file episode (damn...that was long ago lol) whereby Fox Mulder summed up the truth this way (paraphrasing): "The truth will come out, and the guv won't like it, so the media tosses in some garbage into the mix to debunk it, just to throw us off the real path.

In any event...

The Islamic religion DOES seem hellbent on conquering the world(?) at any price. This is imo. What started out supposedly as a peaceful religion, has imassed into a global mongrel - nipping at our heels the whole time; holding an olive branch in one hand, and at the same time hiding a scimitar behind their backs, all the while waiting for those to either agree/disagree with them. At that point, one of their 2 hands will be extended towards us.

[ApolloRising]

You admit the possibility of a hired voice actor for a YouTube video and that doesn't strike you as odd?

No, I point out how unlikely it is.



I could just as easily say that your OP video was a production of the BNP and have as much proof of my assertions as you do for saying it is an American production.

No you couldn't, because it's very unlikely a BNP production is going to hire a foreign voice actor...retard. Seriously, do some thinking now.


You were talking out of your ass when you said that and got called on it. Don't try to defend it. Get over yourself.[/

You're right, I got called up based on an assumption I made that I did indeed make the mistake of stating as fact. Is it definitely American? Nah, nothing definite about it. Admittedly. But as I've demonstrated quite concisely, there is a significant likelyhood that it is.

In fact, my basis for assuming the creator is american is greater than your's for assuming he's Lebanese. Seeing as you have nothing but a piece of writing to go on, and I have the clear evidence of someone who was involved in the creation of the video being american. Go figure, genius.

Or maybe I'm just taking a leaf out of your book, talking shit in face of logic...nah... Wait a minute! I have a well composed, sound argument.

[ApolloRising]

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.


Also, please explain how we're idealogically decadent and in what way said decadence relates to our cultures being 'swallowed' by outside forces.

[Cogburn]

You have not proven "a significant likelihood" of American origin, in the least.

You don't think the BNP/National Front has ties to American hate groups? Go hang out on Stormfront.org for a while and you'll change your opinion. I think your knowledge of such things is a little lacking for such broad pronouncements. Political hate groups of this level are more sophisticated than you give them credit for.

Your reasoning is based on limited knowledge and a knack for assuming facts not in evidence.

A "sound" argument is only as strong as the facts used to support it.

[Ducky]

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.


Also, please explain how we're idealogically decadent and in what way said decadence relates to our cultures being 'swallowed' by outside forces.

Perhaps it means this:

"If we weren't so high in the saddle with our own self delusions, we would probably see ourselves being taken over by the religious borgs out there"

If that's the case, then we have no one to blame but ourselves.

The ability to take responsibliltiy for our own actions, ceased to be, when we allowed others to think for us. Namingly the guv.

[Cogburn]

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.


Also, please explain how we're idealogically decadent and in what way said decadence relates to our cultures being 'swallowed' by outside forces.

Perhaps it means this:

"If we weren't so high in the saddle with our own self delusions, we would probably see ourselves being taken over by the religious borgs out there"

If that's the case, then we have no one to blame but ourselves.

The ability to take responsibliltiy for our own actions, ceased to be, when we allowed others to think for us. Namingly the guv.
Ducky gets it.

Smite.

[Snow Crash]

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.


Also, please explain how we're idealogically decadent and in what way said decadence relates to our cultures being 'swallowed' by outside forces.

As it's Cog, I am tempted to conclude that he means because we don't obsess over brightly coloured bits of cloth, or let a book dictate how we interact with our fellow human beings, we're in some way less than he is. Cog doesn't seem to think to highly of anyone who isn't American, for some reason.

I am still waiting for him to teach us all about 'freedom', personally.

[Cogburn]

I think highly of those who see beyond the arbitrary confines of religious doctrine, political ideology and blind nationalism.

Just as soon as the two of you are able to achieve such a state you'll be treated accordingly.

[skunk]

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.


Also, please explain how we're idealogically decadent and in what way said decadence relates to our cultures being 'swallowed' by outside forces.

Perhaps it means this:

"If we weren't so high in the saddle with our own self delusions, we would probably see ourselves being taken over by the religious borgs out there"


Too late in the US. The fundies got us.

[ApolloRising]

You have not proven "a significant likelihood" of American origin, in the least.

Compared to your...'Well, he SAYS he's from Lebanon! And they do talk about Europe alot...' Which is your argument. As I said, we have clear evidence of an American being involved in the making of this film, which is more than can be said of a European.

Seeing as Lebanon is in Western Asia, even if you're right and the creator is from Lebanon, your statement regarding Europe is STILL fucking nonsensical bullshit. Seeing as the videos origins are not European either way. Fuuuuuucking hell, man. You prove yourself wrong, I don't know why I bother.


You don't think the BNP/National Front has ties to American hate groups? Political hate groups of this level are more sophisticated than you give them credit for.

I never suggested that I didn't think that was the case. I know how you hate assumptions... so what's that all about?

You said a BNP production, not a 'joint BNP-US hate Ground' production. And if you had, the point you were making originally that I called you up for...would still be incorrect. Because then it's not just Europe, it's the US too.



A "sound" argument is only as strong as the facts used to support it.

Mate, just give up. Don't even try anymore. I know you don't like me and you're constantly trying to win back your dignity and see this as some sort of dueling contest. But everytime we duel, you just seem to have to run away crying, waving your arms in the air. So how about you just stop, huh? Your entire point has been shown to be null and void.

Move along, Cog, move along.

[Snow Crash]

I think highly of those who see beyond the arbitrary confines of religious doctrine, political ideology and blind nationalism.

Just as soon as the two of you are able to achieve such a state you'll be treated accordingly.

LOL!

This coming from the man who uses his own smug sense of nationalism, fuelled by shocking ignorance and arrogance, to look down on others? You really are full of shit, Cog.

If you can't see that your actions destroy the bullshit, self righteous shite you just spouted there, then you really need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Maybe if you got to know us, rather than spouting shit and generally giving it the large, then there would be no friction...

What is it you don't get about that? Are you too used to not having people get in your face over the dumb shit you come out with? Or are you being an antagonistic prick cos you're still bent out of shape over the Stealth Door Wedge that didn't turn out to be an F117?

[ApolloRising]

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.


Also, please explain how we're idealogically decadent and in what way said decadence relates to our cultures being 'swallowed' by outside forces.

Perhaps it means this:

"If we weren't so high in the saddle with our own self delusions, we would probably see ourselves being taken over by the religious borgs out there"


Some nations have already been taken over by 'religious borgs'.

And I'm not really sure what the whole of europe is deluding itself regarding... so...

[theeindiee]

I think that Christianity itself is not intrinsically bad, nor is Islam, nor is any other religion (my harshness towards Judaism is changing into a fascination instead). They all contain within them paths towards the truth. They are all like secret doors with hidden keys. In a way, they are like like Masonry and the OTO and all the really scary cults that are supposedly dooming the world to an Orwellian superstate... of course the last part is a bit of paranoid superstition which I've only recently shaken off as absolutely not 100 percent true. I'd say it's as equally true as it is false. With great power comes great responsibility. You do with it what you may. Do what thou Wilt Shall be the Whole of the Law. Conspiracies do exist. Freemasonry, Rosicrucians, OTO and other ReligioFraternal Bodies (and indeed the Mysatery Paths within Religions themselves) indeed may be conspiring to do things, but I would say that the majority of the secret conspiracies are being accomplished by individuals and small groups who have found within these paths a very misunderstood Good Truth. That Good Truth would get you burned at the stake in suburban nowheresville USA. Sometimes.... Secrets are Hidden not because they are too important to be known, but because the process required to understand these truths is way more than most would ever seriously consider taking the time and effort to do. With that equation, you get this result: A mass population of people willing to believe easy to stomach superficial dogma, and a "hidden" body (or bodies) of organization(s) made up of people who have taken the time and effort to Know. If you don't Know what there is to know, you are unfortunately unfit to do anything other than follow the leader.... because you are blinder than a drunken bat.

Problem being this: Outwardly, the facade has become quite devoid of any sort of morality at all. Why is this? Because to simply have faith in the facade requires constant disappointment when your faith fails. This has culminated in a combined worldwide culture of depravity where nothing is held sacred anymore exc ept for the material world of which the majority have seen only proof of its existence and its existence alone. Faith is failing. I was wrong before. Faith is not Good. Knowledge is better. To have Faith in the Whims of this Thing we are all in is to be victim to it. To have knowledge of this thing we are in is to Re-gain Control.

Religion is very very dangerous in the outwardly warped version it is in today. I have had experience with this thing they call "The Light". It can make you behave in very bizarre ways if you are pre-maturely exposed to it. Terrorism, and suicide bombers..... and fanatic Catholics.... and even Satanists who have done too much acid in their former years... I believe these people are all victims of pre-mature Living Death, or a confusion of proper introduction to Truth. You don't wanna become one with the Light, my friends. You wanna remember where you come from, but you don't wanna go back.

One thing that I would highly reccomend NOT doing is any sort of hallucinogenic drug in order to attain enlightenment. Mother Earth can be very decieving in her ways. She doesn't want you to know that you are free to move about the Universe. She wants to be Worshipped. She wants to be beautiful. Most importantly, she has a very very hard time with seeing all of her little babies all grown up and wanting to leave home. She will try to convince you to become one with her, to stay with her forever, to forsake technology, to forsake outward growth, to forsake the material world and give in to the Light. To become a hippy and go live in the trees again.
We've already done that to death. I personally wanna see Star Wars becoming a reality. I personally wanna be part of the Galactic Federation. I personally want the fun to continue forever. Let me tell you what.... the Light is not fun. The Light burns and makes dead everything it touches eventually. Ever wonder why Hellfire is so hot? Turns out that Hell ain't so dark after all.

Anyway... this Islam joint.... maybe it's not such a bad transition. I understand Islam can get a bit extreme, but I see the West as this dead thing, devoid of all passion and meaning. When I look over towards the MidEast and see how passionate these people are about life and the meanings which they've found.... I wish that we in the West still had that. If it takes some bloodshed in the West to regain the passion that we've lost because of our lack of imagination and our atheist scientocracy, then so be it. I sometimes myself think that the average American is just as good to the world dead as alive, because they mostly contribute nothing but death and stagnation to it anyway. I myself am not so big headed as to say that anyone can decide who is "fit" and who is "unfit". I myself know 100 percent that the potential to become fully realized exists inside each and every individual, no matter who they are or what environment they come from. BUT it requires motivation to get there. It requires force. It requires death. It requires opression. It requires indoctrination. It requires everything we hate to admit is our motivation to become better people.

You are under the control of a ruthless world cabal of Satanist criminals interested in only material wealth and gain. You are just one small being in a big world. You are up against Legions. Your only choice? Give up and complain until someone else stronger than you takes control?

Or?

Pretend like you are the one who is in control of everything. Light up your Grand Inner Temple. Line up your Legions of angels and demons within it. Then.... once you have your forces of light and dark under control... release them upon the world to do your bidding.

We are Gods. We are the Angels who have fallen. We must get up and take up our armour and swords once again. We must Fight.... but first we must prepare.

The world is in Probationary status. We are a distinguished guest of the Universal Temple, awaiting our Initiation.

We will be tested, and my goal is for us to pass this test. Since I am extremely able to emathize with all spectrums of peoples and cultures, I am of the opinion that humanity is the ultimate candidate for such Universal Initiation, and I look forward to being initiated along with all the rest of you.

A trial by fire. I see the West as an unlit torch. Islam and other Eastern "baddies", they are the flames which will ignite our passion again.

We need things to get epic again. I look around at all my fellow humans, and a big part of me weeps. They're all just dooming themselves to becoming wasted and bland statistics. I wish everyone could know of the Great Epic Poetry of which they are a co-creational part of. I want every person on this planet to be an interesting story.

They will be.

[Cogburn]

My arguments were presented merely as counter to your gratuitous assertion that the video was of American origin.

If you want to take my arguments out of context, so be it, but it does nothing to help your case.

I'm not sure what's worse... the fact that your arguments are founded in absolute rubbish or your continual assertion that you know how to construct an argument.

[ApolloRising]

I think highly of those who see beyond the arbitrary confines of religious doctrine, political ideology and blind nationalism.


To add to my previous post wherein I show your original statement to be based on a fallacy and to be entirely ridiculous. I'd just like to say:

I think highly of those that don't regularly make negative generalisations of entire people's... Hey, what's the word for that? Shit, it's 'Racist!' Ahhh, now we've gotten to the bottom of why you're such a fucking prick with more shit to spew regarding Europe and England than anyone I've ever come across!

[boycotteverything]

the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadentThat's Nazi talk. Oh- a new post- Indy is a major league douche.

[Cogburn]

My arguments were presented merely as counter to your gratuitous assertion that the video was of American origin.

If you want to take my arguments out of context, so be it, but it does nothing to help your case.

I'm not sure what's worse... the fact that your arguments are founded in absolute rubbish or your continual assertion that you know how to construct an argument.You can take it personally if you'd like.

That just goes to prove my point that you haven't evolved intellectually much beyond petty tribalism.

[Snow Crash]

My arguments were presented merely as counter to your gratuitous assertion that the video was of American origin.


For the benefit of the reader, Cogburn's first post in this thread:


The immortal words of Edward Longshanks comes to mind... "If you can't weed them out, breed them out."

Fuck religious designs on ideological world domination.

Fuck European paranoia that the world may be changing outside their control. First it was all those damn dirty Poles and other slavs taking jobs, now it's the Muslims! And they have Sharia! Oh Heavens!

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.

The person you should always point a finger at first is yourself.

"noble"

And what was that about petty tribalism, by the way?

[ApolloRising]

You should be called BacktrackBurn or something (witty, I know, but dont' spend too long figuring it out, Cog)


My arguments were presented merely as counter to your gratuitous assertion that the video was of American origin.

If you want to take my arguments out of context, so be it, but it does nothing to help your case.

No, anyone who can read can see you entered into this making generalised statements about how we're paranoid about Islamic invasion in europe (thus suggesting that you, the US, isn't).

You suggested also, seeing as the origin of this thread is based on a video, and seeing as you argued constantly that it focuses more on Europe than the states, that said video is an example of European paranoia.

Thus, the point you made, has been shown to be bullshit.


I'm not sure what's worse... the fact that your arguments are founded in absolute rubbish or your continual assertion that you know how to construct an argument.

You gotta wonder, if I can't construct an argument, how is it you're losing this one?

[Snow Crash]

I'm not sure what's worse... the fact that your arguments are founded in absolute rubbish or your continual assertion that you know how to construct an argument.

You gotta wonder, if I can't construct an argument, how is it you're losing this one?

GOAL!

[Cogburn]

My arguments were presented merely as counter to your gratuitous assertion that the video was of American origin.


For the benefit of the reader, Cogburn's first post in this thread:


The immortal words of Edward Longshanks comes to mind... "If you can't weed them out, breed them out."

Fuck religious designs on ideological world domination.

Fuck European paranoia that the world may be changing outside their control. First it was all those damn dirty Poles and other slavs taking jobs, now it's the Muslims! And they have Sharia! Oh Heavens!

Perhaps if the vast majority of Europeans weren't so ideologically decadent they wouldn't have to worry about their cultures being swallowed by outside forces.

The person you should always point a finger at first is yourself.

"noble"

And what was that about petty tribalism, by the way?
A post made in response to a video concerned with predominantly Euro-centric paranoia?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ApolloRising]

Ah, so finally Cog gives up flogging this dead horse and tries to reposition his argument into something defendable.

Seeing as the video creator is clearly the paranoid one and doesnt' represent europeans, or any community as a whole, it's safe to say it's not 'Euro-centric' paranoia, unless he's European, and seeing as he's either American or Lebanese...you're still talking shit!

[Cogburn]

Would someone else please praise either Apollo or SnowCrash's arguments so it doesn't look like they are just jacking each other off?

Thank you.

[ApolloRising]

Proving all your points wrong is all the appraisal I need, don't worry. As long as you're here, Cog, I'm sure I'll be fine.

[Lexion]

Mmmmmmmmmm.

Cheese flavored popcorn !!!

Mmmmmm,
Lex

[Cogburn]

Proving all your points wrong is all the appraisal I need, don't worry. As long as you're here, Cog, I'm sure I'll be fine.
You're new.

When I've been proven wrong, I say so. It's happened before, it will happen again.

It just so happens that you aren't intellectually capable enough of doing so.

When it happens, I'll make sure to let you know.

You assume my ego is as delicate as yours. I don't need to be right all the time.

[Snow Crash]

A post made in response to a video concerned with predominantly Euro-centric paranoia?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah yeah, cos we don't speak english in Europe, so we need to hire US Christian Fundie voice over actors, right?

Please.... anyone can see what you did. You once again lack the balls and the dignity to step down. Little dog syndrome or what...

Nice sound effect btw.

[Snow Crash]

Would someone else please praise either Apollo or SnowCrash's arguments so it doesn't look like they are just jacking each other off?

Thank you.

LOL... well I'd be getting catty too if I picked a fight I couldnt win with two people at the same time.

Some motherfuckers are ALWAYS trying to ice-skate uphill...

[ApolloRising]

Haha, shit Cog, just read this and the first thread in which we engaged, and any others.

Pointing out I'm new is entirely irrelivant, all it does is serve to attempt to put you on a pedestial infront of everyone here. And you fail. Doesn't matter if I've been here five minutes or five years. You're still doing bad whenever you bring this ignorant shit up.

You're arguments are pathetic, even if you can't see you're beaten any unbiased reader can. Move along, Cog, stop reposting here unless you've got something relevant to say to our discussion or another topic regarding this thread, otherwise your continuous attempts at saving face by reducing this to mudsling is just embarassing for you.

Plus, if you're as poor at that as you are at topical debate...you'll probably still lose.

[Cogburn]

... or it could be that you're simply screaming louder.

The truth needs nothing more than a majority of one.

[Cogburn]

Your arguments have consisted of little more than taking quotes out of context and half-truths... like every single other argument you two tag-team on.

I hardly consider it a loss when then only qualifications for "victory" are announcing it before the other guy.

[skunk]

So, are the muslims taking over the world or not?

I vote nay, but I already converted just in case. :twisted:

[Kacen]

It's not an organized effort, but it is definitely a danger and a possibility. The Netherlands and France are already lost causes at this point, but at least the British people aren't totally dumbed down by liberalism and duped into accepting the Muslim takeover of their nation. With luck more Brits will support the BNP or, better yet, the British Integralist Party.


Ah yes, this definately smells like the shit they use to motivate sheep Christians into supporting the War of Terror/George's Crusade against the 'evil Muslims' who are going to kill us all.
Ah yes, the evil George Bush...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/01/15/georgebushkingabdullah_wideweb__470x361,0.jpg

Man, he sure hates Muslims!

[skunk]

Only muslims who don't sign his checks.

[Snow Crash]

... or it could be that you're simply screaming louder.

...But as any discerning reader will summise, because we can talk loudly, in this case, it has not been in stead of truth and logic.

You remember truth and logic, right?

Ah, I see you remmeber truth... apparently...


The truth needs nothing more than a majority of one.

Thing is though, you're not the one. And in this case, the Truth appears to have chosen more than just one.

[Snow Crash]

Your arguments have consisted of little more than taking quotes out of context and half-truths... like every single other argument you two tag-team on.

Translation: "BAWWWW... more than one person spotted my bullshit on numerous occasions!"


I hardly consider it a loss when then only qualifications for "victory" are announcing it before the other guy.

Then this shows that in fact, you had already lost, because we had won long before we felt the need to point out such an OBVIOUS fact to you.

[ApolloRising]

Cogburn, I couldn't have put it any simpler. Just read over it, if you could rebut my points, you would. And please give me an example of an out of context quote or just something, please, just something.

Furthermore, I find the idea that I'm shouting loudest vaguely amusing given that it's you who came onto this thread spouting generalised shit.

As I said, what are these self-deluded idealogies all Europeans subscribe to? Enlighten me.

[Snow Crash]

Only muslims who don't sign his checks.

Smitage for Truthage

[Kacen]

Only muslims who don't sign his checks.
Why Muslims over anyone else? Just admit it, Bush doesn't hate Muslims as a whole any more than he hates Christians or Jews. He's a god damned politician.

Tell any Serbian that George Bush is anti-Muslim and they will laugh in your face, because their people were butchered by KLA Muslim terrorists who were supported by the US government.

[Kacen]

Only muslims who don't sign his checks.

Smitage for Truthage
It's not truth, he's not anti-Muslim.

[ApolloRising]

With luck more Brits will support the BNP or, better yet, the British Integralist Party.


Agreed.

Division is the way forwards.


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(dots for ironic purposes)

[MrPenny]

Would someone else please praise either Apollo or SnowCrash's arguments so it doesn't look like they are just jacking each other off?

Thank you.

As a 'voyeur', I'd have to say it's been magnificent too......

[skunk]

Ain't nothing wrong with a double dutch rudder. Don't hate.

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[Ducky]

Getting back to the OP...

We can attack each other all we want, but all I see is everyone running in circles.

The question remains:

Is there an Islamic plot to take over the world?

Is there a benign falsity being perpetrated across the lands, or is there some iota of truth being conveyed that not everyone see...yet?

Which is it?

[Snow Crash]

So, are the muslims taking over the world or not?

I vote nay, but I already converted just in case. :twisted:

There is no god besides Aku!

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[ApolloRising]

Is there an Islamic plot? No, of course not. Most Muslims don't give a flying toss what I do or believe, providing I let them do what they want and believe what they want. And for most Muslims this doesn't mean amputating limbs, stonings or other brutal killings.

Are there extremists interested in world domination or world conversion...yeah probably, but as with all major religions there's so many sub-groups that that's true of just about all religions. The chances of all sub-groups happily aligning under one extremist group seems very slim indeed... to me.

[Ducky]

Are there extremists interested in world domination or world conversion...yeah probably, but as with all major religions there's so many sub-groups that that's true of just about all religions. The chances of all sub-groups happily aligning under one extremist group seems very slim indeed... to me.

Keyword here: Extremists

Is it that one bad apple (one faction) is giving the whole barrel a bad name, OR....is there an actual truth behind the whole shabang?

Does one bad apple speak for the rest?

If so, then these extremists are no better than the guv, and the people have delegated (better yet) resigned themselves to their own fate VIA these extremists.

So much for self realization and self responsibility.

[Kacen]

Of course if you look at it in retrospect, technically, every single proselytizing religion seeks "world domination"

That would include all forms of Christianity, all forms of Islam, and some smaller cults.

It's just Islam has not mellowed out to the extent most forms of Christianity have.

[Snow Crash]

Are there extremists interested in world domination or world conversion...yeah probably, but as with all major religions there's so many sub-groups that that's true of just about all religions. The chances of all sub-groups happily aligning under one extremist group seems very slim indeed... to me.

Keyword here: Extremists

Is it that one bad apple (one faction) is giving the whole barrel a bad name, OR....is there an actual truth behind the whole shabang?

Does one bad apple speak for the rest?

Ah, like Kacen assumes every Muslim is a Wahhabist fundie nutball?

[Kacen]

Are there extremists interested in world domination or world conversion...yeah probably, but as with all major religions there's so many sub-groups that that's true of just about all religions. The chances of all sub-groups happily aligning under one extremist group seems very slim indeed... to me.

Keyword here: Extremists

Is it that one bad apple (one faction) is giving the whole barrel a bad name, OR....is there an actual truth behind the whole shabang?

Does one bad apple speak for the rest?

Ah, like Kacen assumes every Muslim is a Wahhabist fundie nutball?
While that's of course not the case, the danger still exists. Any Muslim immigrant must agree to keep their culture and religion second to their nation.

Not just Muslims need to follow that, but all immigrants.

The problem is the British labour government is catering to the Muslims, allowing them to have private Shariah law, etc. That's not the way to do it. If the Muslims want their religious law so badly they should just have stayed in their countries.

[ApolloRising]

Is it that one bad apple (one faction) is giving the whole barrel a bad name, OR....is there an actual truth behind the whole shabang?

Does one bad apple speak for the rest?

... No ... one bad apple doesn't speak for the rest. And no, there isn't an actual truth behind the whole shabang, any apparent 'world take over' is purely coincidental. All the evidence presented is 'they have lots of children...some of them don't like us... and they immigrate a lot...' Which is nothing. Catholicism does that too.

[Ducky]

Are there extremists interested in world domination or world conversion...yeah probably, but as with all major religions there's so many sub-groups that that's true of just about all religions. The chances of all sub-groups happily aligning under one extremist group seems very slim indeed... to me.

Keyword here: Extremists

Is it that one bad apple (one faction) is giving the whole barrel a bad name, OR....is there an actual truth behind the whole shabang?

Does one bad apple speak for the rest?

Ah, like Kacen assumes every Muslim is a Wahhabist fundie nutball?

Not necessarily.

Kacen is a free agent like myself. We agree with some things. Not all. Believe it or not, he's actually a nice guy :D

But that's neither here nor there.

We're talking about my views. They stand unto their own.

[Cogburn]

While that's of course not the case, the danger still exists. Any Muslim immigrant must agree to keep their culture and religion second to their nation.

Not just Muslims need to follow that, but all immigrants.

The problem is the British labour government is catering to the Muslims, allowing them to have private Shariah law, etc. That's not the way to do it. If the Muslims want their religious law so badly they should just have stayed in their countries.
I don't see it as mutually exclusive.

The Hasids in NYC do just fine with their own laws, courts and police and still exist within the greater structure of American juris-prudence.

It could be argued that they get away with a lot, but it could be equally argued that the only things they really get away with is when they screw each other...

There's a constant tug-of-war in this country between temporally implemented religious law and the law of the state.

I'm not sure where the compulsions of US citizenship interfere with the doctrine of Islam... unless you count that bit about kaffir...

[Kacen]

It's just really irritating when you hear people saying Bush is "anti-Muslim'. No. He's not. He's not leading some crusade against Islam, or any other religion. He specifically said terrorists, he's allied with the Saudis which are more horrific than Saddam's regime, which he took down, which was a SECULAR government, and replaced it with an ISLAMIC republic.

Is that so hard for you people to wrap your minds around? If anything he's aiding Islam.

Then there's George Bush's support of MUSLIM ALBANIANS who stole Kosovo from the Serbians and BUTCHERED THEM FOR ORGANS.

[Kacen]

While that's of course not the case, the danger still exists. Any Muslim immigrant must agree to keep their culture and religion second to their nation.

Not just Muslims need to follow that, but all immigrants.

The problem is the British labour government is catering to the Muslims, allowing them to have private Shariah law, etc. That's not the way to do it. If the Muslims want their religious law so badly they should just have stayed in their countries.
I don't see it as mutually exclusive.

The Hasids in NYC do just fine with their own laws, courts and police and still exist within the greater structure of American juris-prudence.

It could be argued that they get away with a lot, but it could be equally argued that the only things they really get away with is when they screw each other...

There's a constant tug-of-war in this country between temporally implemented religious law and the law of the state.

I'm not sure where the compulsions of US citizenship interfere with the doctrine of Islam... unless you count that bit about kaffir...
Well the Hasidic Jews may need to be dealt with, but they don't try to convert or spread their beliefs outside their own group, so they're not much of a threat, in fact there's a nil threat from them. They usually obey our laws.

[ApolloRising]

It's just really irritating when you hear people saying Bush is "anti-Muslim'. No. He's not. He's not leading some crusade against Islam, or any other religion. He specifically said terrorists.

... Islamic terrorists... There's other terrorists around. Whether you like it or not, the media and the government has actively demonised Islam and that is evident talking to Americans. Not all Americans, obviously. But some.

Does that mean Bush anti-Islam? Not in the tradional sense of being actually against Islam, it's a calculated campaign to give that impression.

By focusing on Islamic terrorists only, by making a point of discussing Islam as having so many extremist qualities (which, obviously he himself is an extremist religious nut and of course extremist qualities are present within all religious groups) he casts a negative light upon all Islam, and thus demonises the whole thing and appears Anti-Islam.

[Cogburn]

Which is my point, Kacen... The only reason the Hasids have been allowed to continue in such a manner for so long is that it's not impossible, unless the group attempting to implement such religious foundations decree that it is impossible.

If you look at it from a historical standpoint... every religion based on the Covenant of Abraham has had a major reformation within 500 years of its establishment.

The clock has simply run out for Islam and we get to be here to see it.

[Ducky]

Well the Hasidic Jews may need to be dealt with, but they don't try to convert or spread their beliefs outside their own group, so they're not much of a threat, in fact there's a nil threat from them. They usually obey our laws.

Perhaps they took up the old axiom: "Give unto Ceaser what is Ceasar's".

WAIT....that was from the NT right?

Anyhoo.

Let me get this right...

Hasidic Jews are fine where they are, so long as they don't go all EXTREME on us. Right? As long as they don't fall out of line with the rest of the world's idea of peace and tranquility.

When you think of it, THAT makes sense with ANY religion.

The barriers we cross. Subdued religions.

As long as people KNOW their place, then perhaps we can get along better. This opens up so many other doors though. Political, military, etc. It's ALL interconnceted on many levels.

Everyone MUST KNOW their place.

Now...getting back to the OP and that fuckin question I brought about before:

Some people not only KNOW their place but want to make it a part of other's places. They're aim is to bring about complete control (within the realm of the confines of their religion) and forcefully MAKE others adapt or else.

I know this to be true, because I've cited a major political example by saying that the Muslims tried to infiltrate CANADIAN LAWS by trying to get their SHARIA LAWS enacted/integrated within our own.

I'm sorry....did I just say that?!?!?!?

YOU BET YOUR FUCKIN BOOTY I DID.

I don't have any particular site for you to look at for proof, and you ALL can just google it up. There's so much info on this, it's not fit.

What I said, was just one aspect of what I'm trying to convey about Islamic takeover. They've been doing that to Britain in the last while, in hopes that it will pan out with Canada, and we're fucking fighting that shit over here.

*sigh*

What the fuck is wrong with them? Can't they see how they subtily lett shit go under their noses for the long last while? Little bit by little bit. That's how it works.

Can anyone else see what the fuck is going on here?

[Cogburn]

I can see that it seems that parliamentary democracies might be more susceptible to the influence of religious law than republican ones...

[Kacen]

Does that mean Bush anti-Islam? Not in the tradional sense of being actually against Islam, it's a calculated campaign to give that impression.
And too many people fall for that impression.

[theeindiee]

Christianity got totally dull around the 17th century or so, after the last of the witch trials. Judaism had gotten pretty dull before Christ came and shook its pillars.

I think Islam is going to be leading the new Crusades. I would declare that we all run and hide, but it's no use hiding.

Islam is not peaceful, never has been (the practitioner is not the practice. each interprets as his/her own). It is the outward ignorant expression of something completely different, and therefore is just as misguided by the demons of delusion as any other religion. Let's not pander here. Look at the Islam world. The difference?

Islam's still got teeth. Corproatism, Political Correctness, and the ever-evolving modern business class castrated Christianity years ago. Corporatism being the ultimate passive-aggressive attention whore.... suddenly you're married for ages and having a midlife crisis with your friends Jim Beam and Smith and Wesson. She SEEMED so FUCKING HOT at first!

Plus... Christianity is getting a bit disenfranchised as a whole. Where the fuck is Jesus? Christ, hey dude, you got a whole bunch of people who have given up or are about to give up on you. 2000 years is a long time to wait, man! Maybe Christ is just waiting for a time when the Will of the Western World becomes bright and shining like it used to be. Is Islam the blood-soaked shadow of the approaching Christ?

Well... if you take this savior concept seriously, you must consider the fact that the West as a whole would pretty much crucify Christ again if he were to return. The West needs to be ready to recieve the Savior. I find the idea of the Christ figure too romantic to ignore. I love rebel heroes.
The world needs a rebel hero again. Not these fucking faux-rebels we've corporately Christened (i.e. rockstardom/celebritism) The world is almost ready for it. The final element must be added before the return:

REVELATION.

Somebody's gotta give the ignorant masses something to believe in again. Somebody's gotta give them hope to continue existing.

I don't know if we can ever shed religion. I don't think it is even possible, nor is it effective, to awaken the whole world. The best thing that can happen is to awaken those who will guide the world where it needs to be. The wills of such individuals may be opposing, but that's the idea. I can definitely see a Savior role being played out here. I definitely see the NEED for a savior. The NEED for the Rebels against the Empire, with a nobel and wise Jedi Master to lead them to victory. It's something symbolic. It's something symbolic to unite the world in a common goal. I don't see the world being very motivated unless they believe that there is SOMETHING greater than this.

However, some things are better left untold. We cannot have a world full of God-men. I am grateful for the fact that to attain such a lofty position of consciousness is to conquer the ultimate Labrynth. It must be that way, because any other way would completely offset the balance of the energetic qualities of our little spherical point of the ever-expanding universe.

Fortunately for those who are ignorant enough to think that they "don't need no stinkin' Leader", the ones that save the world never have to inform them that they are being saved. They would not be able to comprehend the reasons why unless they submitted their stubbornness and their tainted Selves to a higher (wider is a better description, actually) calling.

If I ever told a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Jew... that Lucifer was their saviour, I think we'd have a bit of a conflict on our hands...

So we'll let them think that Christ is a Unipolar sickly sweet force propelling Good forward because Good is the only thing that is fit to exist, in the minds of most men. Obviously, the minds of most men are unconsciously in constant contradiction. You Can't contradict yourself, God Forbid! You can't Be a little bit of Both! You're either Left Wing or Right Wing.

No wonder we ain't flying!

EDIT: to also add that Islam is the perfect antithesis of Corporatism (JudeoChristian Fallacies). Some of you people who wonder about Islam, but don't have the balls to take on your enemy corporate masters by slamming a plane into their fucking headquarters.... maybe Islam is your unconscious Hand of Doom? Maybe Islam has its place in ridding the world of a virus. I mean.... look at Islam as a certain type of immune system defense. At first, it looks like it's a sickness... but the sickness is actually just a symptom of the immune system working out the bugs!


And Cogburn.... I think that also Christianity is the one for whom the bell tolls. Judaism is safe because they never decided on a Messiah. I actually think that Christianity, Corporatism, and Islam will wipe themselves out.... and in their wake will come The Big One. The one the Hebrews have been waiting for for... 10,000 years or so?

I dunno, maybe the Jews were right. Maybe the true Christ hasn't come yet. Maybe.... the New Testament was actually a prophecy of future events (as we all are aware that revelations is set in the future)....

Reading the Old Testament left to right, and the New Testament right to left.... and reversing all of the polarities of the elements within each..... Lucifer them becomes the Redeemer, and in JESUS Christ, we see Satan, the trickster.



If that's the case... Revelations comes first....

and I'm just brainstorming.

[Ducky]

I can see that it seems that parliamentary democracies might be more susceptible to the influence of religious law than republican ones...

And for this I say...

Thank Goodness.

Perhaps the reason for Stephen Harper's tardiness in the G-summet family pics lately.

I'd like to think that this individual has developed a backbone and thumbed his nose up at the whole ancient and putrid global regieme.

Then again, if this was actually the case, Canada would be an outcast...n'est pas?

[MrPenny]

Might I suggest a bit of research into the topic of the "Restoration of the Caliphate?" Then, come back to this thread and tell me what you think.

This could be a touch biased, but it's an interesting read (http://www.meforum.org/159/bin-ladin-the-man-who-would-be-mahdi). And it's at least somewhere to start.

[Ducky]

I say 'thank goodness' in my last post, because i was being sarcastic.

I have a LOT to learn about being sarcastic. I'm not very good at it. Though I try...and I learn.

I'm better at skipping past that shit and hitting it where it hurts.

[torbjon]

um, okay... I watched the thing a couple of times now... I TRIED to follow the ensuing conversation but it kinda got hot and personal... and, well, a little boring, sorry *blush*. Maybe Indee hit on this but that was just too much for my sleep deprived / drug free brain to grasp right now (Sorry Indee!)

Apollo, you asked for our take on the film, so... this is my (worthless) take on the film.

It's a Christian film. The Christian nation has no geopolitical boundaries, it's world wide. It targets countries with high Christian populations (be it Lutheran, Protestant, Baptist, Catholic, etc.) AND with high populations of people with English as their primary or secondary language. I would be very surprised if there wasn't another version of this floating around where the narrator is speaking Spanish. The post production editorial choices seemed a little too transparent to me, but that's one of the things I've been trained in (nyfa grad). The color schemes, dissolves, wipes, and music choice were all designed to instill fear, mystery, uncertainty. The narrator was also a fear factor choice, that particular pitch / timber equates to ominous and foreboding no matter what language you speak, and is unsettling to pre-linguistic children. The end of the film leaves no doubts, it's a Christian call for a crusade against the Muslim empire.

As far as the bit about the American culture and population goes, I'm actually kind of up to speed on that and found their fear attempts to be little amusing. We mock our Latino lovers to the south, but their culture is basically the same as ours: Christian Europeans. We owe much of our American English language to the Spanish language, and much of our American Culture comes from them as well. We are rapidly becoming a "Spanglish" nation. Many traditional Americans of Northern European decent may not be too wild about that, but it's happening nonetheless, and ultimately, we're cool with that. Despite the numbers given in the video, Muslim influence in this country remains rather minimal. Hispanic politicians proudly claim their heritage, whereas Muslim politicians tend to downplay it... leaning instead more towards African or African/Americanism...

anyway, that's my worthless two cents on the video and stuff. *shrugs*

As far as the Crusade goes, sure, why not? Nuke 'em all. Shoulda done it forty years ago. I miss Kissinger.

(addendum: and you guys posted a buncha stuff while I was writing this so I'm even more out of touch than I was when I started... so it goes)

[Ducky]

Restoration of the Calphate:

[offsite:quxsgdqs]The term caliphate (from the Arabic ????? or khil?fa) refers to a traditional form of government based on the religion of Islam. The term is also sometimes used to refer to a state which implements such a government. This form of government is based on the principle that there is a single unified nation of Muslim believers, the Ummah, led by a head of state, the caliph, who is a successor to the Islamic prophet Muhammad's political authority.

Historically there have been many states claiming to be led by caliphates, some existing simultaneously. Sunni Islam dictates that the caliph should be selected by Shura[1], elected by Muslims or their representatives. Followers of Shia Islam believe the caliph was an imam descended in a line from the Ahl al-Bayt. From the time of Muhammad until 1924, successive and contemporary caliphates were held by various dynasties, including the Umayyads (who were driven from Damascus to Córdoba), the Abbasids (who ruled from Baghdad and drove away the Umayyads from Damascus), the Fatimids (who ruled from Cairo), and finally the Ottomans.

In traditional Islamic theology the caliphate was the only form of governance that had full sanction and "is the core political concept of Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early centuries."[2][/offsite:quxsgdqs]

Restoration means "To bring about AGAIN"

[Cogburn]

@indee: Really, Lucifer becomes "evil" in the Garden of Eden for bringing the "light" of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

One might debate the benefit of such knowledge, however one may not debate one of the effects of possession of such knowledge, which is the ability to change.

... and one cannot grow without change.

If Lucifer released us from the "bondage" of stagnation, your reversal of polarity suddenly becomes applicable.

Prometheus was revered by mortals but scorned by the Gods...

[ApolloRising]

getting back to the OP and that fuckin question I brought about before:

Some people not only KNOW their place but want to make it a part of other's places. They're aim is to bring about complete control (within the realm of the confines of their religion) and forcefully MAKE others adapt or else

I know this to be true, because I've cited a major political example by saying that the Muslims tried to infiltrate CANADIAN LAWS by trying to get their SHARIA LAWS enacted/integrated within our own.

I'm sorry....did I just say that?!?!?!?

YOU BET YOUR FUCKIN BOOTY I DID.


Alright...calm down... You did just say that, it's OK! :P Jeez... Like I said: Sure, this is the case with some Islamic groups, not with all, and I suspect not with most. The suggestion that muslims (as a generalisation) are part of a calculated scheme against us is ridiculous though.


What I said, was just one aspect of what I'm trying to convey about Islamic takeover. They've been doing that to Britain in the last while, in hopes that it will pan out with Canada, and we're fucking fighting that shit over here.


Sharia law will not be implemented generally across Britain. I believe there's been some localised discussion about the possibilities of this within specific Islamic communities: As Cog and Kacen were discussing. And even some religious figure of ours, archbishop I think (I forget the details), stated something or other that was controversial and deemed news worthy a little while ago suggesting that Sharia Law could be implimented amongst Islamic populations.

But the attitude has always been that it could only happen on a localised level, to the best of my knowledge (regarding Britain anyway - and I may be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge...) and even that hasn't been taken especially seriously. Lots of political and public opposition.

It's hardly a take over.

[ApolloRising]

Does that mean Bush anti-Islam? Not in the tradional sense of being actually against Islam, it's a calculated campaign to give that impression.
And too many people fall for that impression.

Agreed. But too many people fall for a lot of things.

[ApolloRising]

It's a Christian film. The Christian nation has no geopolitical boundaries, it's world wide. It targets countries with high Christian populations (be it Lutheran, Protestant, Baptist, Catholic, etc.) AND with high populations of people with English as their primary or secondary language. I would be very surprised if there wasn't another version of this floating around where the narrator is speaking Spanish. The post production editorial choices seemed a little too transparent to me, but that's one of the things I've been trained in (nyfa grad). The color schemes, dissolves, wipes, and music choice were all designed to instill fear, mystery, uncertainty. The narrator was also a fear factor choice, that particular pitch / timber equates to ominous and foreboding no matter what language you speak, and is unsettling to pre-linguistic children. The end of the film leaves no doubts, it's a Christian call for a crusade against the Muslim empire.


I quoted a lot here basically just to say 'agreed' and 'good call' but so shoot me. Having a more pro eye cast over the video and it's use of production techniques is helpful as well; knowing the tactics used to instill fear and hatred into a population is invaluable. Smitable even.

You also mentioned that Islam doesn't have a whole lot of influence in the US, which is interesting, given the whole point of this is suggesting some big scary Muslim take over...and having great numbers doesn't equate to a 'take over' - if that were true the working man would be in control. :P And God knows that ain't the case.

[torbjon]

well... the bulk of the data in that flick was European-centric. But the target audience (me thinks) was American Christians of European decent. The ploy was to make Muslims out to be like Nazis, with special emphasis on the red scare 'domino' effect... ie, America isn't in any danger NOW, but we will be if we don't act now and join the holy cursade. The flick made it pretty clear that you all are already a lost cause, but if we hurry up and 'liberate' you perhaps we can once again make the world safe for democracy.

It was all really old school stuff, and I thought it was kind of demeaning... not to the Muslims so much but rather the viewer. Bernays at his worst.

[Ducky]

I am calm

[torbjon]

you are a cat duck.
I am looking for greener grass.

[Ducky]

Apollo? When I say stuffs...I'm calm....to certain degrees.

I suppose folks take what I say in a different light when it's all typed out eh?
lololol

Listen. If I get riled up, I'd more than likely TALK LIKE THISSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Just wanted to show you the diference between typing from a 'passionate stance' as opposed to the above.

Is all.

I don't use the same terminology as you and Cog or Be or anyone else. I'm my own person babes. Is all.

I get my point across quite well as you found out. Such is the way of Ducky.

[Ducky]

you are a cat duck.
I am looking for greener grass.

fuck you.

btw? luv ya torb :D

[theeindiee]

A little birdy told me, Cog. A little birdy.

Good things come in misunderstood packages.

[KIWI]

which Muslim ruler has his portrait in the Hall of Justice ?......

dont forget ......culture is not your friend :twisted:

so for the 3rd and final time......

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[Ducky]

which Muslim ruler has his portrait in the Hall of Justice ?......

dont forget ......culture is not your friend :twisted:

so for the 3rd and final time......

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The KIWI.........HAS SPOKEN.

[theeindiee]

"Convenience is suicide."

Some of my old quotes still work.

[KIWI]

?al?? ad-D?n Y?suf ibn Ayy?b (Arabic: ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????, Kurdish: ??????????? ??????? Selah'edînê Eyubî;(c. 1138 - March 4, 1193), better known in the Western world as Saladin, was a Kurdish[2][3] Muslim who became the Sultan of Egypt and Syria. He led Islamic opposition to the European Crusaders in the Levant. At the height of his power, he ruled over Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Hejaz, and Yemen. He led the Muslims against the Crusaders and eventually recaptured Palestine from the Kingdom of Jerusalem after his victory in the Battle of Hattin. As such, he is a notable figure in Kurdish, Arab, Persian, Turkish and Muslim culture. Saladin was a strict practitioner of Sunni Islam. His chivalrous behavior was noted by Christian chroniclers, especially in the accounts of the siege of Kerak in Moab, and despite being the nemesis of the Crusaders he won the respect of many of them, including Richard the Lionheart; rather than becoming a hated figure in Europe, he became a celebrated example of the principles of chivalry, a rare distinction for a non-Christian.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin
a French( :projectile: ) traveller of the time wrote on Saladins court.......his biggest surprise was how the high court officials, namely the Grand Vizzier, were proud of there lowly heritage,( he started life as a galley slave) and the fact their own abillity got them the job, not a long line of distinguihed ancestors who allowed any idiot the position through birth-right, as was the custom in the european courts of the time.

Saladin was a hard man, no doubting that, and his punishments were brutal, but synagouges, mosques and churches, all practised alongside each other under his rule.....just pay your taxes,.....or else :behead:

[KIWI]

here Kacen, Saladins coat of arms,........cool?

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[Cogburn]

KIWI... FUCKING SMITE!

Nazi Eagle
http://www.limolux.co.uk/images/eagle3.gif

Roman Eagle
http://magistervir.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/RomanEagleSPQR.1124740RomanEagleSPQR

Winged Globe of Horus
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R4bDDgSUj2g/R8cYU3xG0WI/AAAAAAAAEZY/5W_AqpLsQZw/s400/84.bmp

Neopoleon's Eagle (Head turned to the RIGHT instead of the left like all the others)
http://www.national-army-museum.ac.uk/exhibitions/shortVisits/iconic/images/77491.jpg

Great Seal of the US (note the difference in that the wings are turned UPWARDS)
http://www.costumearmour.com/usmmaseal.JPG

[Cogburn]

HA!

Who was it that finally destroyed Saladin's empire and the Abbasid Caliphate?

A group credited as being possibly one of the supposed "originators" of the Illuminati ... the Hashshashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin).

Not to mention giving us the words "hasish" and "assassin"... amongst other things...

If you view history, as a wise man once said, as the wars between secret societies, one might attempt to trace the path of such societies via symbology and ideology.

From this thread it would appear to be on one side the Hashshashin, who worked in the shadows to manipulate events and overthrow nations, and the "eagles" who attempt to rule the world through overt control...

[Kacen]

The Crusaders were justified in their actions.

The Muslims wouldn't allow Christians to go to the holy land.

[Bitchkoma]

The Crusaders were just looking for loot. Just like any group that invades another. All other justifications are for PR purposes only.

[WarlordZeroOne]

The top and bottom for me is simple,The Christians in this world are normal don't say much about religion. The Muslims Choke you with their religion,and it Sucks,so FUCK ISLAM.

[Bitchkoma]

The top and bottom for me is simple,The Christians in this world are normal don't say much about religion. The Muslims Choke you with their religion,and it Sucks,so FUCK ISLAM.

:lol:

Half-blind are we? Tell that to Dawkins.

[KIWI]

The Crusaders were justified in their actions.

The Muslims wouldn't allow Christians to go to the holy land.

Saladin didnt give a fuck who lived where, just pay your taxes.........

I think it was a little more complex than your statement makes out kacen,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

The Crusades were a series of religiously-sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe. The specific crusades to regain control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Other campaigns in Spain and Eastern Europe continued into the 15th century. The Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims, although campaigns were also waged against pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians, and political enemies of the popes.[1] Crusaders took vows and were granted penance for past sins, often called an indulgence.[1][2]

The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and were launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia. The term is also used to describe contemporaneous and subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century in territories outside the Levant[a] usually against pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication[3] for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons.[4] Rivalries among both Christian and Muslim powers led also to alliances between religious factions against their opponents, such as the Christian alliance with the Sultanate of Rum during the Fifth Crusade.

The Crusades had far-reaching political, economic, and social impacts, some of which have lasted into contemporary times. Because of internal conflicts among Christian kingdoms and political powers, some of the crusade expeditions were diverted from their original aim, such as the Fourth Crusade, which resulted in the sack of Christian Constantinople and the partition of the Byzantine Empire between Venice and the Crusaders. The Sixth Crusade was the first crusade to set sail without the official blessing of the Pope.[5] The Seventh, Eighth and Ninth Crusades resulted in Mamluk and Hafsid victories, as the Ninth Crusade marked the end of the Crusades in the Middle East.[6]

[KIWI]

HA!

Who was it that finally destroyed Saladin's empire and the Abbasid Caliphate?

A group credited as being possibly one of the supposed "originators" of the Illuminati ... the Hashshashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin).

Not to mention giving us the words "hasish" and "assassin"... amongst other things...

If you view history, as a wise man once said, as the wars between secret societies, one might attempt to trace the path of such societies via symbology and ideology.

From this thread it would appear to be on one side the Hashshashin, who worked in the shadows to manipulate events and overthrow nations, and the "eagles" who attempt to rule the world through overt control...


history is a mess, and why not? whoever wins gets to write it :arg:

[ApolloRising]

Ducky, it's ok, I was playing. I didn't actually imagine you were at your computer chair beating your keyboard, face growing redder by the syllable, body rocking with tension.

S'all good.

[boycotteverything]

if she has a stroke you got some 'splainin to do.

[Snow Crash]

if she has a stroke you got some 'splainin to do.

That's ok... I think Apollo took out an insurance policy on Ducky prior to conversing with her.

[boycotteverything]

yeah- but even LLoyds won't bring this road pizza back to life.

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/MarisinChina/DSC07620.jpg

[Snow Crash]

The top and bottom for me is simple,The Christians in this world are normal don't say much about religion. The Muslims Choke you with their religion,and it Sucks,so FUCK ISLAM.

Ok... time for a little education...

I posted all nine vids, in case you were feeling a tad lazy.

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Muslims have the monopoly on religious fundie fucknuts, you reckon?

[Cogburn]

Hell... that's just the Jesus-flavored fundie fucknuts...

We've also got Scientologists, Urantians, Moonies, NESARAtards, Setites, and on and on and on...

What the Jesus people don't understand is before they get to the Muslims they have to cut their way through all that other shit first...

[skunk]

Jesus Camp! I missed it this year :(.

[WarlordZeroOne]

The Religious Christian Fucknuts are in the USA,look at all your fucked up Bible Bashing channels on your TV's,we do
not have that crap in the UK,maybe a channel or 2,i don't watch TV,only the News now and then,and i will say it again Fuck ISLAM. and thats my opinion,so stop preaching to the converted.

[ApolloRising]

We have a whole selection of religious channels in the UK.




..... That's what you get for paying for Sky TV *sigh*

[KIWI]

We have a whole selection of religious channels in the UK.




..... That's what you get for paying for Sky TV *sigh*

give me an episode of "shooting-Stars" anyday...... 8)

4]WFnYmALFLH84]

[guinnessford]

I would guess that its every groups effort, wholly, to take over the world.

If having the whole planet beleive the same things and act the same way they do...

If Xtians had theyre way, itd be the same thing, right???

Or buddhists?? Or any religion/creed/race, for that matter....

So... whats the difference?

Why arent we all against every religion?

[boycotteverything]

Why aren't we all against every religion?I'd say it's pretty obvious that we are.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Why aren't we all against every religion?I'd say it's pretty obvious that we are.

Ding ding ding...

Throw the man a peanut.

Fuck them all, every single one of them fuckers that subconsciously thinks their better than everyone else because it's their god that's the real big swinging dick in town.

And fuck Pandas... Fucking useless creatures.

Fox

A land for all men that are created equal, apart from the men with furrginas!

Fox2

[KIWI]

....and the fuckin whales, ....shitting all over our oceans!

[guinnessford]

Why aren't we all against every religion?I'd say it's pretty obvious that we are.


Deeply.

But the ones in power, being 99pct x-tians, are the lot in power.

And in control of the media.

So, we as a whole arent against every religion, just us smarter folk that see a giant hole in the plot.

We, under "their" influence are against any religion that is not "x-tian"

And Im not saying religion is bad, or am I against it.

Its just not my bag, and I dont see it fitting into politics very well.

It fits for their purpose, and to further agendas, get votes, etc.. but it dont fit properly.

[Ducky]

I would guess that its every groups effort, wholly, to take over the world.

If having the whole planet beleive the same things and act the same way they do...

If Xtians had theyre way, itd be the same thing, right???

lolol Come to think of it...THEY DID...started with the crusades and hasn't stopped since then. Probably the only difference is where the monies are being allocated via the vatican today. The bible belt in the U.S. is the backbone, the vatican is the heart, and anywhere else is a multitude of various body parts attributed thereof.

I mentioned those, because that's the main ones I thought of off the bat.


So... whats the difference?

Why arent we all against every religion?

You know, in my minds eye, there probably isn't any difference at this point in time. Some are more subtle than others, others have more financial backing from the masses, and some are just 'right in your face', imposing on our 'comfort zones' if you will.

The ones that perpetrate violence at the helm, more than likely don't speak for the body as a whole. These are the extremists that leave their poo poo smear behind them, all the while hoping that their followers will be able to swim shit's creek currents. Misguided.

I know I've mentioned that I couldn't give a rat's arse about the Muslims, but deep down, I not only pity, but do have some form of empathy for those at the bottom of their religious food chain.

You have to remember, the ones over in the middle east, aren't privy to what we see, hear, feel, touch, and otherwise, when it comes down to education. Education entails 'access to non-biased resources' that should be available to them but are not. Not like we have in the 'westernized world'.

The women over there, in MANY cases, are so goddamned oppresed that many never make it past the 2nd and 3rd grade...if they're lucky.

Believe it or not, I respect the ones that want to migrate to North America and elsewhere; those who have seen this oppression up front, and earnestly desire to break the cycle. They end coming across our borders, making a 1/2 decent living for themselves/family, and see to it that they 'somewhat blend in' with our lifestyles, and go about their business in a quiet way. I'm not talking about the assholes that gain citizenship for the sake of someday fucking up someone's country (down the road) - by plotting against the guv - quite the contrary. I've met, seen, and grew up around people that want to 'make a POSITIVE difference in their ways towards others.

Who was it that said, "I don't mind God...it's just his followers I can't stand"?

Well...Whatever we conceive to be God, it's the fucking extreme end of his servants that I personally, can't stand.

[Bitchkoma]

Probably the only difference is where the monies are being allocated via the vatican today. The bible belt in the U.S. is the backbone, the vatican is the heart, and anywhere else is a multitude of various body parts attributed thereof.

But The Vatican is Catholic. Most of the Bible Belt are protestants.

[boycotteverything]

don't you be bothering us with details. ok?

[pack3tg0st]

Who needs details when you have innuendo?

[boycotteverything]

Innuendo? Here?? I guess it's all about the food chain.

I couldn't give a rat's arse about the Muslims, but deep down, I not only pity, but do have some form of empathy for those at the bottom of their religious food chain.
'...some form of empathy!' Oh my!!

[pack3tg0st]

lol I like how people who believe in one faith or another, automatically think they are superior...

But if you question them about it... they'll tell you they don't think they're better than the next guy...

Bottom of the religious food chain?

Pity?

I doubt Islam wants your pity... In fact... I bet they Pity anyone who's not a Muslim...

The hypocrisy is what gets me going though...

Anyway, From my perspective, it would appear that the "Jeez-it" crackers used in the symbolic cannabilistic rituals are the bottom of the religious food chain...

[1972]

I just had a pork sandwich.

I was good.

[pack3tg0st]

Was it at least Kosher '72?

[guinnessford]

Ducky hit it well, and I think we all understand it.

MMMM can I have some innuendo on my non-kosher porkchop sandwich?

[1972]

Was it at least Kosher '72?

Fuck no!

They will never take my pork away.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

And they will never pork my take-away!

Fox

[boycotteverything]

Ducky hit it well, and I think we all understand it.Count me out of that 'we.' Islam is no more or less 'pathetic' than any other religion.

[pack3tg0st]

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[hp]

Have a bag of pork skins.

Lining buildings with ham prevents suicide bombings.

[pack3tg0st]

Can muslims play football?

[Cogburn]

Sure, they just can't touch the ball.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL in other words, they have to play for the Lions?

[Lexion]

LOL in other words, they have to play for the Lions?

Smite mother-fucker !!!!!

Lex

Edit : Shit....gotta smite another
person, first.....

[boycotteverything]

justly smote!

[guinnessford]

Ducky hit it well, and I think we all understand it.Count me out of that 'we.' Islam is no more or less 'pathetic' than any other religion.


So what youre saying is you dont understand that all religions feel they are right, and if they had their way would convert everyone else to their beleifs?

I always felt you were smart, maybe you just misunderstood what I said, brother-B.E.

[boycotteverything]

So what youre saying is you dont understand that all religions feel they are rightNot at all. I'm just disagreeing with any dumbfuck that believes any religion is better than any other. No need to 'pity the poor Muslims.' Pity yourself.

Contemplate this assholeric flourish-

I know I've mentioned that I couldn't give a rat's arse about the Muslims, but deep down, I not only pity, but do have some form of empathy for those at the bottom of their religious food chain.

Bottom of the food chain? If you also feel that way you're as stupid as her.

[Snow Crash]

No need to 'pity the poor Muslims.' Pity yourself.

Fuck that.

Pity the foo, imo:

http://www.infotech.com/images/email/AprilFool/mr-t.jpg

Anyways... religion and spiritualism is not necessarily to be feared. We're all trying to get somewhere, just by different paths. I personally don't believe in any particular god, and it can be said I am not especially spiritual in terms of 'faith', being more the kind of person that treats everything as an exploration. As with many of us here, no doubt, I've personally noticed and experienced a few things that indicate theres a whole side of life we do not understand. Imo, best we explore that for ourselves (and yes, we all have the capacity to explore), rather than let some corrupt, misguided, sheep motherfucker tell us what is what for the purposes of controlling and/or misleading us.

We're better than that.

What is to be feared though is the hive mind shit, the political motive (Stealthmuslim!!!!!!, beware, true Christian!), the socially divisive nature, the way some religious folks look down on the people not of their sect as being less than dog shit (Zionists for example), the ones who try to force their faith violently on the rest, showing a general lack of respect towards their fellow man in the process (Wahhabists).

"I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you
Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Gandhi

When corrupted organised religion is rejected en masse by its followers in favour of independant thinking spiritualism (not necessarily a rejection of the faith, but the systems put in place by Man to use it for other motives), then maybe religion will find a constructive role in civilisation.

Yeah, I know, I'm asking a lot.

[boycotteverything]

Nice, Snow. That about sums it up.

[skunk]

You can be spiritual and not religious. There's a huge difference between the two.

[Snow Crash]

You can be spiritual and not religious. There's a huge difference between the two.

Who said it was the same?

[guinnessford]

[quote]So what youre saying is you dont understand that all religions feel they are rightNot at all. I'm just disagreeing with any dumbfuck that believes any religion is better than any other. No need to 'pity the poor Muslims.' Pity yourself.

Contemplate this assholeric flourish-

I know I've mentioned that I couldn't give a rat's arse about the Muslims, but deep down, I not only pity, but do have some form of empathy for those at the bottom of their religious food chain.

Bottom of the food chain? If you also feel that way you're as stupid as her.[/quote:30tzf08m]

That wasnt my quote.

And all of em feel they are better than each other, and secretly feel the need to "take over".

You do have the same thoughts as I do, just not all of us.