Early Bible goes online: Codex Sinaiticus

[Foxtrot Oscar]

This has been on the BBC for a while and no one has posted it on here yet, though I'd have a go at it.


About 800 pages of the earliest surviving Christian Bible have been recovered and put on the internet.

Now I've been and had a looky looky @

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/

Very nice. Bits of photocopied old book! But, as of yet there are no translations (ok so I didn't check every page!)

Short History


For 1,500 years, the Codex Sinaiticus lay undisturbed in a Sinai monastery until it was found in 1844 and split between Egypt, Russia, Germany and Britain.

It is thought to have survived because the desert air was ideal for preservation and because the monastery, on a Christian island in a Muslim sea, remained untouched, its walls unconquered.

So it's dated around the 4thC. How much will it vary from today's mass printed bibles?


Firstly, the Codex contains two extra books in the New Testament.

One is the little-known Shepherd of Hermas, written in Rome in the 2nd Century - the other, the Epistle of Barnabas. This goes out of its way to claim that it was the Jews, not the Romans, who killed Jesus, and is full of anti-Semitic kindling ready to be lit. "His blood be upon us," Barnabas has the Jews cry.

Hah! Killing your own prophet, you'll go straight to hell for that!

Lots of different comments on the mighty BBC, some of them even gave me a giggle.


Didn't they also find the missing page that says 'All characters depicted in this book are purely ficticious and any resemblence to anyone alive or dead is purely co-incidental.'
George, Maidenhead

The current Bible is God's word. Of course it was written by man, but it was breathed into life by God. The way that it has over time, evolved into is present form is not important. Only those scriptures, in the form that God intended, have presently become the Bible. What is important is that the message that God intended is there for us all, and it has the power to change lives.
David, Leicester

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8135415.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm

Surely the Vatican would have known about this and would never have let it get this far if there was anything damaging in it. Well other than the kind of stuff that can be generally ignored by spouting more bullshit.


The monastery itself has the greatest library of early manuscripts outside the Vatican - some 33,000, and a collection of icons second to none.

OK then, so where's the really good stuff. "JC the drug dependence years" "Mary and the little donkey - uncut!"

I'll bet it's in there somewhere.

Fox

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

An edible bible?

A Codex Snack-ticus!

Would be infinitely more useful than dusty old pages of contrarian book of self-blessed faith and feeble fables...

[Cogburn]

The current Bible is God's word. Of course it was written by man, but it was breathed into life by God. The way that it has over time, evolved into is present form is not important. Only those scriptures, in the form that God intended, have presently become the Bible. What is important is that the message that God intended is there for us all, and it has the power to change lives.
David, Leicester
I like the fact that, for Christians, evolution is limited only to certain things.

I guess that explains why the Constitution is so often mistakenly referred to as a "living document".

I'm going to dig in on this a little... I wonder what icons it is that they have tucked away...

[mojo]

thank you Fox, i will return shortly with evidence that the whole thing is a conspiracy to short change the influence of Sumerian mythology.

God speed.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Cog, will find something he is an expert on finding under the carpet stuff,eh Cog,another thing doe's this old Bible tell you about JC's crucifixion, will there be any new secrets hidden and discovered,get Diggin Cog.

[Cogburn]

LOL I'm just a Google whore with a good personal library to boot.

@mojo: Race ya! :lol:

From St. Catherine's, circa 6th century. Check out that eyebrow on Jesus.

If this is from 1,400 years ago, I wonder when this portrayal of the image of Jesus first appeared. Interesting.
[imgs=500:28ioqoms]http://www.factsplusfacts.com/resources/Pictures/Pantocrator01.jpg[/imgs:28ioqoms]

Again from the 6th century. The fleur-de-lis makes an apperance... 400 years before it was adopted in Europe as a result of Christian influence and 100 years before Nicea... what the fuck?
[imgs=500:28ioqoms]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Encaustic_Virgin.jpg[/imgs:28ioqoms]

[Cogburn]

Heh... Revelations Jesus still sounds like a man in a space suit.

[offsite:2sgh2dcz]12 And I turned to see the voice that talked with me; and having turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks,

13 and in the midst of the candlesticks one like the Son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded about the breasts with a golden girdle;

14 but his head and his hair were white as white wool, like snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,

15 and his feet were like burnished brass, as if they burned in a furnace, and his voice as the sound of many waters;

16 and he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth went forth a sword two-edged, sharp, and his face as the sun when it shines in its strength.

17 And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead; and he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not: I am the First and the Last,

18 and that lives, and I was dead, and behold, I am living from age to age, and have the keys of death and of hades.[/offsite:2sgh2dcz]

[boycotteverything]

i will return shortly with evidence that the whole thing is a conspiracy to short change the influence of Sumerian mythology.Oh my! I'm holding my breath!

[boycotteverything]

Heh... Revelations Jesus still sounds like a man in a space suit.

[offsite:1xipg0ao]12 And I turned to see the voice that talked with me; and having turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks,

13 and in the midst of the candlesticks one like the Son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded about the breasts with a golden girdle;

14 but his head and his hair were white as white wool, like snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,

15 and his feet were like burnished brass, as if they burned in a furnace, and his voice as the sound of many waters;

16 and he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth went forth a sword two-edged, sharp, and his face as the sun when it shines in its strength.

17 And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead; and he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not: I am the First and the Last,

18 and that lives, and I was dead, and behold, I am living from age to age, and have the keys of death and of hades.[/offsite:1xipg0ao]
take another look. that's john in the tin suit.

[WarlordZeroOne]

They are not Halos really, they could not paint clear space helmets in those days,coz Jesus was a spaceman,don't laugh,you'll never go to heaven.

[mojo]

Heh... Revelations Jesus still sounds like a man in a space suit.

[offsite:3mh9s3hb]12 And I turned to see the voice that talked with me; and having turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks,

13 and in the midst of the candlesticks one like the Son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded about the breasts with a golden girdle;

14 but his head and his hair were white as white wool, like snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,

15 and his feet were like burnished brass, as if they burned in a furnace, and his voice as the sound of many waters;

16 and he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth went forth a sword two-edged, sharp, and his face as the sun when it shines in its strength.

17 And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead; and he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not: I am the First and the Last,

18 and that lives, and I was dead, and behold, I am living from age to age, and have the keys of death and of hades.[/offsite:3mh9s3hb]


haha....i want some of that acid man.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Mojo that bible is a real Mystery book,it is still the most sold book of today,funny that ive never purchased one,have you? lol, and JC was a spaceman,Fuck-knows where he parked his Saucer.

[Cogburn]

Fixed.

http://i26.tinypic.com/14snwi1.gif

[WarlordZeroOne]

Cog, your Avvy is growing on me,what about the Horrible Eye In Eye's, that eye is so Freaky,where the fuck do you find a picture like Eye's. lol

[boycotteverything]

Re: Disclosure, ET, Spiritualism & Religion.
« Reply #333 on Apr 4, 2007, 12:18pm »




[quote:3e523w5m]...the title of this thread " . . ., Spiritualism, Religion", necessarily requires a look at what many believe to be "scriptures"."

and if those 'scriptures' are nonsense? what then?

cs



But toon you have no more truth that they are nonsense then say the pope can prove their truth. No one really knows thats the point you know the same thing as me or anyone else...almost nothing. The other point is this tread is mainly for topics with the assumption the the scriptures at least hold some truth to them. Anyone can recognize how silly some of it sounds today but you must remember they were written for the people 2000 yrs ago. I like to see how you would explain something to someone with no clear examples to draw on



I'm not saying that they are nonsense- just posing the question. Posing the question is the first principle of Dialectic. My own feeling is that Jesus was perhaps the most brilliant, ethical and insightful man of all times. Unfortunately his teachings are interpreted by a coterie of pretenders that lack the ability to understand his words. Can any intelligent person deny that this would be a far better world if his insights were understood and practiced? If 'christians' truly believed that the Beatitudes contained a blueprint for harmonious existence, would there be a war on Iraq? A concerted attack on the Bill of Rights? Torture in the name of peace? -- A gaggle of fat camels struggling to pass through the eye of a needle?

There is a certain 'koinistic' paradigm in many biblical teachings that raise them to the point of absurdity- a truth beyond the rational. It is that 'sensed' paradigm that tempts trivial thinkers to leap for the wrong faith. I'll give you an example: The Mosaic law that states, "You shall not seethe the flesh of the child in the milk of the mother," is distilled to this: don't drink milk with meat. But is that really the full story?- and what sense does it make in any case? Is it a health issue or is it more- an exquisite and poetic and absurd call to a higher ethic that lies beyond the reach of reason? While we can read Kierkegaard for an exegesis on the meaning of transcendental ethics, we can also go directly to the source- if we have 'eyes to see and ears to hear.'

That's all I'm saying.

cs [/quote:3e523w5m]

[theeindiee]

All hail Really Really Big Man.