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graham72
07-08-2009, 06:43 PM
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse
Anyone see 90 deg buildings here , or is it me (i can hear you all now - Its you)
seriously, have a close 1 or 2 minute look
Cheers.
Lexion
07-08-2009, 06:49 PM
I see rocks.
Meh,
Lex
graham72
07-08-2009, 06:50 PM
cheers lex, for a moment i thought i was going bonkers
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 06:58 PM
Gather up your favorite lunar anomalies, folks!
It's debunking time!
graham72
07-08-2009, 07:03 PM
in for a penny - in for a pound
lets go....lets go
ps NOT LROC
graham72
07-08-2009, 07:09 PM
russian luna probes
graham72
07-08-2009, 07:10 PM
2nd set
no adjustments here.
The 1st and 2nd I can see something that looks like stucture or right angles the 3rd big circle I only can see a clowns head with a beard, but the disk, or circle of the face just seems odd . . . man made type!!
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 07:43 PM
Do you have source images, graham?
... of course ... the true test comes when LROC flies over that portion of the landscape and images it....
Hi G72
I posted a clip here, just trying to find the damn thing, I think its where your op stills are from?........I keep looking :roll:
think the debris in the Russian shots are from the equipment itself?
good to watch HD on full screen, I wont bother pointing out the interesting bits, they stand out like the proverbial..... :batman:
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pack3tg0st
07-08-2009, 08:30 PM
HOLY SHIT! John Lear is right!!!!
Look what I found when I zoom into one of the pictures...
http://phoenixdjt.tripod.com/images/gorn.jpg
skunk
07-08-2009, 08:31 PM
What filter did you use?
pack3tg0st
07-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Just a Standard Gorn filter...
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 08:42 PM
Just a Standard Gorn filter...
look what happens when you add the kirk filter
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/ST1020/Gorn.jpg
pack3tg0st
07-08-2009, 08:47 PM
yup... amazing stuff...
now if we apply both filters and a bad acting filter to the apollo moon landing footage...
we get this:
7]Z1eFdUSnaQM7]
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 09:18 PM
Smites all 'round.
graham72
07-09-2009, 03:37 PM
This has always puzzled me.
Cogburn
07-09-2009, 03:42 PM
What? The hideous on-board developer?
Ima Nasshole
07-09-2009, 03:42 PM
This has always puzzled me.
Exactly what about it has puzzled you?
graham72
07-09-2009, 05:44 PM
puzzled at sheer ignorance
Cogburn
07-09-2009, 06:04 PM
Tut-tut. We won't need to look at grainy images for much longer.
Can you smell what the LROC is cookin'?
graham72
07-09-2009, 06:20 PM
bull shit ( in a southern texas accent) ?
Cogburn
07-09-2009, 06:25 PM
I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help stop the impending collapse of Hoagland's career.
http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~ritterd/wargames/war6.jpg
graham72
07-09-2009, 06:48 PM
lol i actually laughed at that one - love that quote from that movie
fresh off the LROC .....if you take out the R and C........
[attachment=0:35gvz1hi]LO.JPG[/attachment:35gvz1hi]
boycotteverything
07-10-2009, 08:40 AM
holy shit. you still here?
holy shit. you still here?
woul I leave ya ? :wink:
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boycotteverything
07-10-2009, 08:47 AM
as Mae West said, 'Is that a gun in your pocket or are ya just glad to see me?'
boycotteverything
07-10-2009, 08:53 AM
liar
O isn't that sweet kiwi reaching out . . . ha ha ha . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
07-10-2009, 07:06 PM
O isn't that sweet kiwi reaching out . . . ha ha ha . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/Reach-out.jpg
boycotteverything
07-10-2009, 08:05 PM
O isn't that sweet kiwi reaching out . . . ha ha ha . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:that guy's the reason you're still a virgin.
meanwhile, back on the moon......... :shock:
cool crater, thinks its a command module
[attachment=0:2gqvgpmz]command module.gif[/attachment:2gqvgpmz]
skunk
07-11-2009, 02:13 AM
Nice picture kiwi.
glad you like it skunk, the little crater below and to the left is a funny looking affair a?.......only seen them like that on the zond images, very precise arrangement, circle within a circle, zond image below
[attachment=0:2bu5n5wg]zond.JPG[/attachment:2bu5n5wg]
graham72
07-11-2009, 02:39 PM
fresh off the LROC .....if you take out the R and C........
[attachment=0:18ak9rl6]LO.JPG[/attachment:18ak9rl6]
kiwi what frame number is this ?
cheers
G
fresh off the LROC .....if you take out the R and C........
[attachment=0:11t9kmht]LO.JPG[/attachment:11t9kmht]
kiwi what frame number is this ?
cheers
G
5038-med :)
heres a nuke det...... similar shape to the blob in 5038 :thegeneral: long bow drawn :roll: :lol:
[attachment=0:2k5xk76d]nuclear150906.jpg[/attachment:2k5xk76d]
graham72
07-13-2009, 06:33 PM
false colour shot.
graham72
07-13-2009, 07:00 PM
ok, assuming it is natural, what made this upsurge of matter ?
and how bloody high is it ? can someone work it out through the arc shown ?
G72, what does the colouration of the first image tell us?....... :scratch:
Cogburn
07-13-2009, 11:34 PM
G72, what does the colouration of the first image tell us?....... :scratch:
That there's a wall of glass on the Moon that surrounds the palace of the Wizard of Oz.
G72, what does the colouration of the first image tell us?....... :scratch:
That there's a wall of glass on the Moon that surrounds the palace of the Wizard of Oz.
its obviously a giant mousehole in a skirting board, reading the doppler shift the giant "moon-mouse" is almost out of the hole,
fucksake cog, dont you know nuffink?
....wizard of oz!.... :roll:
graham72
07-14-2009, 03:07 PM
G72, what does the colouration of the first image tell us?....... :scratch:
the background. simple as that. interesting artifacts
kiwi, get some money spent. published 1970! before tampering ???
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lunar-Orbiter-Photographic-Atlas-of-the-Moon-1971-HC_W0QQitemZ250453611359QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqua rian_Collectible?hash=item3a5032d35f&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
Cogburn
07-14-2009, 04:56 PM
G72, what does the colouration of the first image tell us?....... :scratch:
the background. simple as that. interesting artifacts
Not that this is a direct personal attack graham, but you're as guilty of this as anyone else in the UFOlogy community....
Why is it deemed acceptable to produce altered images without the method of alteration, without sources, and without an explanation of what it is that you think you have found?
That's not science... that's marketing and promotions.
graham72
07-14-2009, 05:04 PM
Cog,
all i do is try and source original lunar images and apply forensic software to them. The software performs a deconvolution method to the images. I then bring them into photoshop and apply further sharpening and gamma corrected methods. Filters are basically little programs within PS that performs various image enhancements - i apply some of these filters to try and bring out colour or should i say perform artificial colour, it just makes thing easier on the eye than B&W.
If you wish i can delve deeper into these methods.
Cheers
graham72
07-14-2009, 05:16 PM
kiwi,
can you point me in the direction of this image, i have searched everywhere.
thanks
g
Cogburn
07-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Cog,
all i do is try and source original lunar images and apply forensic software to them. The software performs a deconvolution method to the images. I then bring them into photoshop and apply further sharpening and gamma corrected methods. Filters are basically little programs within PS that performs various image enhancements - i apply some of these filters to try and bring out colour or should i say perform artificial colour, it just makes thing easier on the eye than B&W.
If you wish i can delve deeper into these methods.
Cheers
The name of the software and the specific methodology utilized within that software is sufficient.
I have access to all kinds of fun toys through my work and I may just be able to obtain a copy.
graham72
07-14-2009, 05:53 PM
FOCUSMAGIC http://www.focusmagic.com/
I downloaded the trial version - it doesnt let you save but if you take a screenshot you can pull it into photoshop.
http://meesoft.logicnet.dk/Analyzer/index.htm
IMAGE ANALIZER
theres a whole buch of forensic deconvolution software out there. have a play with some.
century
07-14-2009, 07:47 PM
Graham you should check out keithlaney.net
You will enjoy that page
century
07-14-2009, 07:49 PM
also http://www.keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/apollo_10_orbital_images.htm
Cogburn
07-14-2009, 09:19 PM
FOCUSMAGIC http://www.focusmagic.com/
I downloaded the trial version - it doesnt let you save but if you take a screenshot you can pull it into photoshop.
http://meesoft.logicnet.dk/Analyzer/index.htm
IMAGE ANALIZER
theres a whole buch of forensic deconvolution software out there. have a play with some.
Much obliged.
I took a look at both packages and there's nothing special in the image processing, however what they do is provide the same functionality as existing Photoshop filters, but with "training wheels" so that you can get the specific effect you desire in fewer clicks and keystrokes. Basically, it's the same thing in Photoshop if you use the right tools.
That being the case, there's nothing within the documentation of those pages that indicates what would be considered "proper" forensic manipulation of an image's color pallet to draw out detail.
Specifically, the process you applied to this image (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=2305) is called "color solarization". It does create what may be technically called a "false color" image.
Legitimate image analysis would not utilize color solarization because of the obvious and drastic image deformation, as evidence by the "solidification" of the "aura" around the astronaut. Obviously the lighting in that scene was such as to create fictitious artifacts when that process is applied.
Here's the same image, from a larger source scan which may be found here (http://www.spacearchive.net/img/AS12-46-6826.jpg). Without drastically altering the image colors, I simply adjusted the color levels to bring out any details that might have been washed out by the emulsion process. It's important to the process to know that this was a printed film and not digital. It directly relates to method of processing that should be employed.
Here's the result.
[attachment=1:3rw3o8sx]AS12-46-6826a.jpg[/attachment:3rw3o8sx]
The image still shows every anomaly present in your image, yet possesses none of the drastic color manipulation that might lead one to see things that aren't there. Notice how the "halo" is still appropriately translucent and not opaque as in your solarized version.
Being able to take the exact same process and apply it to multiple images to get the same effect is the only way to judge if a process is truly informative or may simply mislead you in other circumstances.
Now... in the image above we've noticed some crazy shit above the horizon that we want to take a closer look at. A better way to approach the problem would be to, from already arriving at the attached image, convert it to black and white, invert the colors, and then adjust the brightness and contrast to draw out more detail.
[attachment=0:3rw3o8sx]AS12-46-6826b.jpg[/attachment:3rw3o8sx]
The image has been altered less than 30% from the original to extract a greater amount of detail than your solarization process.
Like I've said previously, there's more to image analysis than simple application of filters... in Photoshop or otherwise.
Looking at my second image, it looks more like a fuck-up in the development of the photo than some sort of attempt by NASA to modify the image. You can get something similar if you lay two emulsions one on top of the other before they dry.