Impressive Shots of a Black Triangle

[ApolloRising]

OK, this is my second thread here today... I'm hoping that this is something new as opposed to just a repeat like my last one. But it's impossible to search for something this specific, I did have a look through the forum though.

That said...

These are images someone linked me to, the first shot is a montage of three photos the second a close up version of the first. It shows a black triangle (somewhat reminiscent of the Belgium triangle, but with a more wedged angled shape), which I'm thinking if it is genuine is of earthly origins none the less. Perhaps advanced Stealth tech of some sort. Regardless, genuine, fake, they're noteworthy all the same.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/SjFRv33XbRI/AAAAAAAAA-o/GeVD6jOVpQY/s1600/stormcloud-montage-small.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7937/clearblacktriangle.jpg




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/SjFRv33XbRI/AAAAAAAAA-o/GeVD6jOVpQY/s1600-h/stormcloud-montage-small.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

omfg...

you do not want to know what I was thinking when I saw the thread title...

[boycotteverything]

It looks a lot like Jonathan Reed's UFO! Remember that guy?

http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/ufo/J_Reed_ufo3.jpg

[Eyeforalie]

It looks like the broken tip or a #2 pencil under a blurry 4x microscope.

[Cogburn]

Looks like an F-117 shot from an angle where the tail is obscured by the wings.

[imgs=400:2wnr4k84]http://www.agdesktop.com/wallpapers/airplane/f117/f117-0001.jpg[/imgs:2wnr4k84][imgs=400:2wnr4k84]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/394881630_8e3cd4da1c_o.jpg[/imgs:2wnr4k84]
[imgs=400:2wnr4k84]http://www.lowapproach.com/Images/F117_2.jpg[/imgs:2wnr4k84][imgs=400:2wnr4k84]http://baby.indstate.edu/ahpir/pics/f117b.gif[/imgs:2wnr4k84]

[boycotteverything]

It looks like the broken tip or a #2 pencil under a blurry 4x microscope.Check it out herehttp://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html

Main site is here: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/

[WarlordZeroOne]

And thats what i would put my money on a Stealth Fighter.

[Ima Nasshole]

Worms eye view of a 117

[ApolloRising]

I wonder how often regular stealth jets get marked as UFOs. I'm betting that's a regular occurance.

[ApolloRising]

Looks like an F-117 shot from an angle where the tail is obscured by the wings.


Here's a shot at the approximate angle of the photos above:

http://www.456fis.org/THE%20F-117/F-117%20(84).jpg

Furthermore, at that angle, you'd expect to be able to see the wings fairly clearly, the body shape is different, it's nose would be sharper and you'd probably see some triangular framing from the cockpit.

Also, the F117 was retired last year, not to say that this photo couldn't have been taken last year despite what the photographer says, but still, this could be a shot of that jets natural successor.

[KIWI]

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[boycotteverything]

Nah...
The X-43A is a single-use vehicle and is designed to crash into the ocean without recovery. Three of them have been built: the first was destroyed; the other two have successfully flown, with the scramjet operating for approximately 10 seconds, followed by a 10 minute glide and intentional crash.Ding ding ding ding dinggggg! Time for the bonus round, ladies and gentlemen.

[KIWI]

lock in T for tit thanks Eddy.....

[KIWI]

Nah...
The X-43A is a single-use vehicle and is designed to crash into the ocean without recovery. Three of them have been built: the first was destroyed; the other two have successfully flown, with the scramjet operating for approximately 10 seconds, followed by a 10 minute glide and intentional crash.Ding ding ding ding dinggggg! Time for the bonus round, ladies and gentlemen.

the square nose might have survived and popped up in another "black" project, suits the shape kinda of the OP

[Cogburn]

Looks like an F-117 shot from an angle where the tail is obscured by the wings.

Here's a shot at the approximate angle of the photos above:

Furthermore, at that angle, you'd expect to be able to see the wings fairly clearly, the body shape is different, it's nose would be sharper and you'd probably see some triangular framing from the cockpit.

Also, the F117 was retired last year, not to say that this photo couldn't have been taken last year despite what the photographer says, but still, this could be a shot of that jets natural successor.
What angle was the plane shot at and what angle is that plane in the photo? Are you calling it "approximate" because it looks similar or because you measured it? There could be more than 15 degrees difference between those two photos.

Assuming you know what angle you're talking about, why would you expect to see wings? Did you attempt to view a scale model of a F117 from the same angle to make such a statement?

You're making seemingly factual statements without any evidence to back your claims and then drawing conclusions based on those "facts".

There's UFOlogy and then there's John Lear.

[ApolloRising]

Nah, Cog, quite simple. My method was this, I looked at the jet you suggested for sometime from different angles, thus understanding the shape of the craft from different sides. Then I looked at the shots I've posted and compared them. It really, basically comes down to the use of one's eyes, and if one uses them... there's no issue with seeing they're different things.

On the other hand, KIWI's suggestion is much more sensible and logical, its angles fit those in the image much more closely and so on. Unlike you who was just like 'oh er... it's black....sort of triangle-ish...F117! Sorted!'

There's debunking, then there's cogburn. And using various long words and 'impressive' language doesn't make your argument stand up any better. The fact is simple, they, look, different.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Which direction is the object going in the montage?

It's unclear from the evidence presented.

[Ima Nasshole]

There's debunking, then there's cogburn. And using various long words and 'impressive' language doesn't make your argument stand up any better. The fact is simple, they, look, different.


The term is Cogburned (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cogburned)

[Cogburn]

Nah, Cog, quite simple. My method was this, I looked at the jet you suggested for sometime from different angles, thus understanding the shape of the craft from different sides. Then I looked at the shots I've posted and compared them. It really, basically comes down to the use of one's eyes, and if one uses them... there's no issue with seeing they're different things.

On the other hand, KIWI's suggestion is much more sensible and logical, its angles fit those in the image much more closely and so on. Unlike you who was just like 'oh er... it's black....sort of triangle-ish...F117! Sorted!'

There's debunking, then there's cogburn. And using various long words and 'impressive' language doesn't make your argument stand up any better. The fact is simple, they, look, different.
Ok... you're new so I'm being nice.

First off, I said this:

Looks like an F-117 shot from an angle where the tail is obscured by the wings.
It looks like and F-117, not that it is. I produced images quite similar to the shape apparent in the photograph as support for my hypothesis. Nothing is "sorted," nor without more information could anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty claim that it was.

It does not come down to the "use of one's eyes," there's a lot more to it than that. There's also keeping those events within the perspective of all available knowledge and then seeing if there's something within it that is congruent. Rather than that, you have elected to review the evidence and then decide upon a theory that agrees with your preconceived world-view.


I looked at the jet you suggested for sometime from different angles, thus understanding the shape of the craft from different sides.Did you visit a real one? Use a scale model? Take images from various angles and record the measurements for comparison?

To support your hypothesis you supplied... nothing. Not measurements, not methodology, nothing.

Is KIWI's image really closer to what you see? How big is the X-43A and at what altitude would you judge that aircraft based on the surrounding foliage and witness statements?

It's this kind of sloppy thinking and analysis that remains an anathema to UFOlogy. You, in fact, exemplify the problem.

Oh... and sorry my vocabulary causes you feelings of inadequacy. I don't use "big words" to impress people... I those words that accurately convey my thoughts and opinions. Perhaps you would sound less like an 9th grader if you aspired to do the same.

[Lexion]

Cogburned.

Grinning,
Lex

[KIWI]

been looking for a file I have somewhere, has a diagram (sketch!) of a 100ft long aeroform said to have been recovered from the Nevada? dessert, it is here somewhere :roll: ......its in a pdf, just thought I would mention it in case someone may have it also, said to be from the 40's 50's.......I think,........... will find it eventually

if memory serves it was a similar shape to the op

[KIWI]

un-farkin-believable,......found it, making no claims (I can see the "claims" police are about :wink: )

just a neat sketch 8) ....not a long doc sketch is at bottom

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6912166/saircraft

[Cogburn]

Back in the diz-ay there were a plethora of flying wing and delta wing designs that would look like the OP image, I'm sure.

I just still can't get past the 1st image of that plane where you start to get a glimpse of what looks like the arc of the F117 canopy.

EDIT: Whoops... forgot my image...

http://i31.tinypic.com/2ihnojl.jpg

The Minolta Z5 looks nice, but it's a piece of shit no better than a modern cell phone camera by today's standards.

http://ca.konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/digital_camera/dimage/dimage-z5/index.html

5 megapixel? That would explain this loss of detail, that's for certain.

Not to mention, if those images weren't resized before the mosaic they are at 800x600 resolution... WTF?

Who takes pictures in 800x600?

Oh... wait...

[offsite=http://ca.konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/digital_camera/dimage/dimage-z5/specifications.html:3s4kp7k4]Number of recorded pixels: 2560 x 1920, 2048 x 1536, 1600 x 1200, 640 x 480[/offsite:3s4kp7k4]

The images were resized for the mosaic. No wonder the 2nd and 3rd frames are just oblong blobs.

Someone should contact the originator of that mosaic and see if we can't get our hands on some from-the-camera originals.

[KIWI]

the objects that turn up on m,y digital camera display the same "haze", distortion effect that I see around the op image you have enlarged above, has the op been checked for photoshop manipulation, is there any way to know for sure?......at the end of the day with no reference points I guess it could even be a paper dart

[Cogburn]

That's probably due to the mosaic or the resize or both, I'm guessing. Notice how along the right hand side it cuts off in a straight vertical line.

I'm glad you pointed that out before someone said it was "force waves".

[KIWI]

That's probably due to the mosaic or the resize or both, I'm guessing. Notice how along the right hand side it cuts off in a straight vertical line.

I'm glad you pointed that out before someone said it was "force waves".

so would there need be a "real" object there to start with?.... do those marks indicate a real object ?,
as I say, I get all sorts of weird shit turn up, general consensus by the AMkoNe photographic analysis dept is "digital bogies"

[attachment=0:1atx5jla]Presentation1.jpg[/attachment:1atx5jla]

[KIWI]

looking back it is obviously there where I put the circles around these "things".........the marks directly around the RH side "thingy" are quite uniform , and the LH is like a reflection of the RH ? but without a solid "appearing" thing in the middle, just the distortion marks?

[attachment=0:3dflrfrm]DSCF0091b.jpg[/attachment:3dflrfrm]

[Cogburn]

There's a few factors to consider when looking at that kind of artifacting.

* Resolution of image
* Change in size from original image
* Original image format
* Current image format
* Method of conversion
* Contrast between the object and the background.

Usually you don't see it unless the source image was poorly modified or had a low resolution to begin with.

Your image is different because the object is so close to the background colors that artifacting isn't present... the colors are estimated properly when it is resized.

Here's an example. I took your image and added a black spot on it near the anomaly.

http://i26.tinypic.com/1zxpl5i.jpg

Then I "baked" it into the image so that the color information of my object was merged with the original color information of the photograph. I then rotated it 4 degrees clockwise (similar to the first panel in the OP mosaic), cropped the object and blew it up to 800x600 using Nearest Neighbor for color replacement. NN is a simple algorithm for photo enlargement and is the default on some home graphics software (Windows Live! Photo Gallery, for instance).

Here's the result...

[imgs=500:k7mromyx]http://i26.tinypic.com/2hi9zwn.jpg[/imgs:k7mromyx]

You can see that in the images you posted as well.

[imgs=700:k7mromyx]http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=2228[/imgs:k7mromyx]

Notice how the one on the left has no artifacting as it is closer in hue to the background than the one on the right which displays artifacting... just like the circles you drew.

[KIWI]

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[Cogburn]

Was that tree in bloom?

;)

[KIWI]

in bloom? some of the trees and bushes were, know what your saying, but have taken pics of birds, plant spores etc, aircraft also, they all look as you would expect, awesome to block the sun with your thumb and look as to what altitude wind-drift seeds and the like reach,

[attachment=1:1nil1aak]top dressing with the aliens.jpg[/attachment:1nil1aak]

[attachment=0:1nil1aak]top dressing with the aliens 2.jpg[/attachment:1nil1aak]

[Cogburn]

Honestly man... it looks like a good reason for that crop duster.

[Cogburn]

BTW... do you live in the area where the pic of the kids was taken?

Gorgeous country, man.

[KIWI]

the kids are at Mahia, 2 hours up the coast, Opoutama is the atual spot, the c-duster was at the Waikere river mouth, bout an hour up the line , between the two.

it is nice scenery, but most places , countries, Ive been have just as good,....we are way more condensed and everything in close prox no matter where you live, lot of volcanic activity going on at moment, the caldera, which is lake Taupo, is 30, 000 overdue, most of the North Island, central plateau area especially, is just humming with geothermal activity, where we live is kinda the southern boundry of the real active plateau, but by no means a safe spot should the fukka blow.....when Tarawera errupted bout 1880? the pink and white terraces were destroyed, a wonder of the world at the time, the mountain split , I think it was 18 mile long,......... bad volcano:D

[WarlordZeroOne]

KIWI,you the helicopter aircrash investigater,really good photo's of the UFO's,and you Cog are shit hot when it comes to the photo department,wish i was that smart with my PC.lol at 61 its too late for me.

[KIWI]

KIWI,you the helicopter aircrash investigater,really good photo's of the UFO's,and you Cog are shit hot when it comes to the photo department,wish i was that smart with my PC.lol at 61 its too late for me.
no way WZ0............just fix ya bayonet and charge, flank speed, ........dont see to many blokes at 60 + even having a go, :machinegun:

[WarlordZeroOne]

Thanx KIWI i'll do that,always willing to try,have a good day man.

[Lexion]

KIWI,

Couple things about that doc.....

Date on it is '96.

Says "chime" when it should be "chine".

Almogodo is an AFB.

Provenance on the doc ?

"Looked at symb ols(sic) on a transparent screen".
The fucking windshield ?

One "loaned" aircraft, yet 'several' pilots were
killed...hmmm...denotes several craft.

After re-reading, they seem to say we produced
a few of these.

Still sounds fishy.

Pondering,
Lex

[KIWI]

good points Lex, but aint it a pearler of a sketch 8)

found a better pic of the orby whatsit

[attachment=0:1v1l9ekx]ORB%201.jpg[/attachment:1v1l9ekx]

[Cogburn]

KIWI, take a look a the distortion pattern around the one on the right. Wouldn't happen to look like two wings at the apex of an upbeat, would it? By the same token it looks like you caught the guy on the left of the image in a rolling bank.

For Lex:
[spoiler:3nxeqoeq]http://www.linksoflondon.com/dynamic/eshop/product_images/thumbnail_cache/360x360/116-classic-paperclip-money-clip-image-1.jpg[/spoiler:3nxeqoeq]

[KIWI]

crazy shit alright mate......better pics around on the toobz,....... i got a couple here, ill find them

[KIWI]

KIWI,

Couple things about that doc.....

Date on it is '96.

Says "chime" when it should be "chine".

Almogodo is an AFB.

Provenance on the doc ?

"Looked at symb ols(sic) on a transparent screen".
The fucking windshield ?

One "loaned" aircraft, yet 'several' pilots were
killed...hmmm...denotes several craft.

After re-reading, they seem to say we produced
a few of these.

Still sounds fishy.

Pondering,
Lex

actually Lex, its the sort of thing could easily have been a preliminary sketch from some one in a design dept somewhere, Its quite an eye opener at times when you look through old NACA photo banks and thhe such like, for instance the Aurora buisness, the plasma-pulse technology said to be used there , we forget sometimes just how long the researdh and development has been going on with some of this science

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[Cogburn]

Djed pillar, anyone?
http://www.officialbhuldahcompany.com/djedaussen.jpg

I need to go lie down.

[KIWI]

wife has spoken? :whip:

[ApolloRising]

Ok... you're new so I'm being nice.

Thanks!


First off, I said this:
[quote:2lype9ym]Looks like an F-117 shot from an angle where the tail is obscured by the wings.
It looks like and F-117, not that it is. I produced images quite similar to the shape apparent in the photograph as support for my hypothesis. Nothing is "sorted," nor without more information could anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty claim that it was.[/quote:2lype9ym]

And I said it doesn't look like an F-117. You didn't produce images 'quite similiar' but 'vaguely' similiar at best, hey, at least they're both black. And what's 'sorted' is that it's quite fair to say that it's not an F-117.


It does not come down to the "use of one's eyes," there's a lot more to it than that... Rather than that, you have elected to review the evidence and then decide upon a theory that agrees with your preconceived world-view.

Ah, back to the assumptions. Haha, whoo, okay then. I never produced a particular theory as to what it was, therefore my world-view hasn't come into this whatsoever. I said in the beginning I suspected it might be some sort of potentially new stealth jet, particularly in light of the fact the F-117 has recently been retired.

And regarding eyes, well, they're the first barrier to bridge. The combination of eyes and mental imagery can help you conclude the likelyhood of such a suggestion being possible. For example, if I say 'that's not a banana, that's a cucumber' when looking at a picture of a banana, and you say 'I can see it's not' that's a fair indicator. I don't need to pull out the measuring tape and protractor to prove it, it's evident.


To support your hypothesis you supplied... nothing. Not measurements, not methodology, nothing.

See above...

Also, regarding methodology, I didn't want to insult your intelligence by explaining the obvious. Unfortunately I was forced to.


Is KIWI's image really closer to what you see? How big is the X-43A and at what altitude would you judge that aircraft based on the surrounding foliage and witness statements?

Yes it is closer, is it really what it is? Maybe, but I doubt it, given the witness statement regarding its behaviour; smooth, quiet, fairly slow, etc I'm thinking that the X-43A probably doesn't move in that way.

Regarding it's size, good question, I don't know but as I meant to communicate, the shape of that craft appears closer.


It's this kind of sloppy thinking and analysis that remains an anathema to UFOlogy. You, in fact, exemplify the problem.

Says Mr It's-A-Cucumber-Not-A-Banana, wasting time drawing lines that prove little to nothing over a picture of a UFO.


Oh... and sorry my vocabulary causes you feelings of inadequacy. I don't use "big words" to impress people... I those words that accurately convey my thoughts and opinions. Perhaps you would sound less like an 9th grader if you aspired to do the same.

'I those words that accurately...' (who's the 9th grader? Didn't you learn to proof read?) Really, you those words that accurately convey your thoughts and opinions. Also, I have a fantastic vocabulary, no issues there, thanks for asking though. And I feel more than adequate, more so than usual when conversing with you.

Furthermore, I don't know how old 9th graders are, but if I'm a 9th grader that reflects very poorly on you.

[boycotteverything]

I... use "big words" to impress people. Perhaps you would sound less like an 9th grader if you aspired to do the same.hahahaha

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Black triangle, white triangle: you decide:
[spoiler:2oibpyqv]http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633763794391751725-strippers.jpg[/spoiler:2oibpyqv]

[boycotteverything]

definitely a stealth bomber

[WarlordZeroOne]

IT doe's not matter what shape that is Captain, i am all for a ride in her UFO,hope she makes Mach 1 with the sperm launch. :pound:

[Cogburn]

Apollo... the only new thoughts you presented in your post were the words "cucumber" and "banana". I am, however, impressed that you could type that much and not say anything.

I have confirmed my suspicion from another thread.

You are indeed an idiot.

[boycotteverything]

You are indeed an idiot."Every species recognizes its own."

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Impressive shot of a black triangle from the side, if you use your imagination a little:
[spoiler:1wcumvru]http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633708023079766060-womendrivers.jpg[/spoiler:1wcumvru]

[Cogburn]

You are indeed an idiot."Every species recognizes its own."
http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/3940/Troll.jpg

[boycotteverything]

what the hell does billy meier have to do with it?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

If you look hard enough, you might just see the triangle:

[spoiler:8n8zbkro]http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633734288270097910-pool.jpg[/spoiler:8n8zbkro]
But it takes balls...

[pack3tg0st]

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[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/01010601020301030820070825a95a8a874.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

http://images.quickblogcast.com/110818-103566/pervert.jpg

[Lexion]

Part of an F-117 model I'm building :

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/MVC-012S-3.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/MVC-013S-1.jpg

Not exact, but with a hot-knife
and a little time, it's doable to
match the op.

Not saying this is what the op is,
just showing that it's doable.

Regards,
Lex

[ApolloRising]

Apollo... the only new thoughts you presented in your post were the words "cucumber" and "banana". I am, however, impressed that you could type that much and not say anything.

And in classic Cog style, you ignore/miss the point. Thus confirming my suspicion from another thread.

You do indeed have comprehension issues.

Typically you avoid all actual points and just generally revert to acting like a douchebag and attempting to insult. And sure, you might be insulting if first I respected your opinion, but so far every encounter I've had with you has shown that your opinions are mainly nonsensical or ill devised. Whether it's 'dat der is a F-117' or 'None of dem der Brits wants der freedoms!' you prove the same thing both times.


You are indeed an idiot.

In the face of such a cutting and deep insult, I must fall back on the only retort that could possibly save me:

Your mum.

[ApolloRising]

I... use "big words" to impress people. Perhaps you would sound less like an 9th grader if you aspired to do the same.hahahaha

LMAO

[Lexion]

Geez....I actually try to assist in
a thread and it turns into a
pissing contest.

Oh yeah ?

Well.....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Middle_finger.jpg

Smiling,
Lex

[ApolloRising]

I didn't notice until just now but Cog, man, you posted a picture of an F-117 at a similiar angle to the one you suggest my photos are taken at. Compare for yourself.

http://www.lowapproach.com/Images/F117_2.jpg

[Snow Crash]

I have confirmed my suspicion from another thread.

You are indeed an idiot.

Meeeeeeooooowwwwww... Kitty has Klaws

Still a bit sore are ya, Cog?

[ApolloRising]

Alright, so, I decided to humour Cog with his pictures:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1884/dsfdsf.jpg

Now compare:

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3975/f1172dsfcopy.jpg

They're not exactly the same angle, but close. Close to get a rough idea with the use of your mind's eye (it is possible, Cog) and compare the outlines of both.

And Cog, for further info on how you're incorrect, see my previous posts :) *thumbs up*

[Cogburn]

Since you're putting forth the effort, I'll return in kind.

If one were to rotate the plane in the lower pic by the nose, towards the viewer, by another 5-10 degrees, and also increase the angle at which the plane is passing over the viewer by 10-15 degrees, what would it look like?

Perhaps the first pic?

It is indeed a similar angle, however it's in the differences where you have to use some spatial relations in order to reconcile the differences.

So close, but yet so far.

[ApolloRising]

Care to demonstrate that?

[Cogburn]

Go download Milkshape and a 3D model of an F117 if you're unable to do it in your head.

Hell... render the whole flight path as closely as possible (including pitch and yaw estimates) and we'll go from there.

[ApolloRising]

Well, see what I see in my head is that the silouhettes I demonstrated still do not match. They're vaguely, vaguely close, besides that angles are wrong regardless of how you look at it.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Beat me to it Cog, I was about to suggest the 3D model route as well...

Did anyone determine which way the object proceeds in the montage? Left to right? Right to left?

I don't see enough information presented to answer that question, is there?

The direction of flight will be a factor in the profile presented/observed, no?

[pack3tg0st]

I'm using google sketch-up and a 3d model...

I can't get the F-117 to match up...

I can get it very similar, but not exact...

[pack3tg0st]

This is the best I can get it... I've tried a bajillion angles... this right here is the closest I can come to the photo in the OP
[attachment=0:12qra1hg]F117.png[/attachment:12qra1hg]

I dunno...

[ApolloRising]

Did anyone determine which way the object proceeds in the montage? Left to right? Right to left?


Yeah, I'm wondering this too, the photographer states what direction it's going in, but lacking any landmarks, and the heavy cloud cover, it's hard/impossible to verify what angle the shots taken in relation to North, East, South, West etc.

[Cogburn]

Will Sketch-Up work with underlays?

Take the picture and use it as an underlay to help get the model's position to match.

Don't forget for finer, detailed movements, move the camera, not the model.

HTH

[pack3tg0st]

Oh SHIT!

http://www.marsneedsguitars.com/blog_pics/cowbell.jpg

Moar Cowbell!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Don't forget for finer, detailed movements, move the camera, not the model.

HTH

And remember to thank craft services for that scrumptious buffet!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Oh SHIT!

http://www.marsneedsguitars.com/blog_pics/cowbell.jpg

Moar Cowbell!


n]q4royOLtvmQn]

[Cogburn]

Adjust the model between 3-5 degrees, nose down.

Move the camera backward (or the object away from the camera) by 7%-10%.

Move the object 7%-10% higher in altitude.

Somewhere in there is a match.

[attachment=0:274zeykg]F1172.jpg[/attachment:274zeykg]

[pack3tg0st]

can't really nose it down man... then the tail comes into view more...

and the left edge gets even more narrow...

[pack3tg0st]

see :P

[Cogburn]

If that's the case then your angle from the camera to the object is not steep enough.

If you can still see the tail move the object higher in the sky or closer to the camera or both.

[pack3tg0st]

well the problem is with the V shaped tail... you can get it "almost" out of view... but not both sides of the V...

still tinkering... but that's looking like the best angle I can produce at the moment.

[Snow Crash]

Adjust the model between 3-5 degrees, nose down.

Move the camera backward (or the object away from the camera) by 7%-10%.

Move the object 7%-10% higher in altitude.

Somewhere in there is a match.

[attachment=0:3ki2nky6]F1172.jpg[/attachment:3ki2nky6]

Seems you lower the nose to get that straight-ish edge on the bottom, then the tail is too high.... as pack points out

Plus where the tail is on the model silhouette, there is no seperation on the image in question.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

You need the camera to replicate the parameters present at the time of the sighting, including scale, velocity, distance, perspective, focus and whatnot.

No?

[pack3tg0st]

I'm more willing to say this might be a photo of the SR-91 Aurora...

"Supposedly" the 91 replaced the SR-71 and is still a "black op"...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Aurora_x-plane_2.jpg

[boycotteverything]

what the fuck? they look nothing alike. but i like the cowbell theory. ding!

[Snow Crash]

I'm more willing to say this might be a photo of the SR-91 Aurora...

"Supposedly" the 91 replaced the SR-71 and is still a "black op"...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Aurora_x-plane_2.jpg

Impressive bird.

HOWEVER...

http://www.rotaryaction.com/images/airwolf3.jpg

[KIWI]

well the problem is with the V shaped tail... you can get it "almost" out of view... but not both sides of the V...

still tinkering... but that's looking like the best angle I can produce at the moment.

gloves off pac, hit the fucking thing with a hammer :evil:

[boycotteverything]

the other problem is- how do you make an f-117 silent? even after you've knocked the tail off. (tails are over-rated anyway.)

[lala]

Here pac this will help . . .

[attachment=0:3913vej6]121_2114_large.jpg[/attachment:3913vej6]

[pack3tg0st]

Way ahead of ya Kiwi lol

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3796032/2/istockphoto_3796032_man_with_a_hammer_and_laptop.j pg

[pack3tg0st]

I'm still Leaning towards the SR-91....

[boycotteverything]

well- if you use lala's scissors to snip off the pointy nose.. but what about the lack of noise?

[Snow Crash]

New theory, seeing as Cog's has been shot to shit:

Imo, what that pic shows is actually a 747-400 cargo conversion. USAF have obviously Stealthified it, and silenced it, and painted it in light absorbing black.

Turn the camera the right way, you'll see what I mean...

[lala]

what noise . . .lol . . .

[attachment=0:22hbcl4s]boob-earmuffs.jpg[/attachment:22hbcl4s]

[KIWI]

well- if you use lala's scissors to snip off the pointy nose.. but what about the lack of noise?

I know what ya mean, Ive stared at that pic for ages and still , not a peep, nor a swish, not even a subdued hiss :thegeneral:

[boycotteverything]

fuck it. I just emailed the OP to John for his opinion. He knows aircraft.

[ApolloRising]

New theory, seeing as Cog's has been shot to shit:

By a ninth grader and pals... how embarassing.


Imo, what that pic shows is actually a 747-400 cargo conversion. USAF have obviously Stealthified it, and silenced it, and painted it in light absorbing black.


This seems plausible. If you get a regular 747, tilt it be 12 degrees, account for speed, tiny light bendature through the camera lense, move the camera to a position slightly infront of the target and tilt the nose up you'll get something that approximates this, I just knocked it up in photoshop, but you get the idea:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircraft-pictures/2008/09/11/BrizeJuneOman1DuncanMonksmall-thumb-450x300.jpg

I mean, that's brief editting, and I didn't rearrange the colours but you can see the resemblence.

[Snow Crash]

This seems plausible. If you get a regular 747, tilt it be 12 degrees, account for speed, tiny light bendature through the camera lense, move the camera to a position slightly infront of the target and tilt the nose up you'll get something that approximates this, I just knocked it up in photoshop, but you get the idea:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircraft-pictures/2008/09/11/BrizeJuneOman1DuncanMonksmall-thumb-450x300.jpg

I mean, that's brief editting, and I didn't rearrange the colours but you can see the resemblence.

Snip the nose a bit more, imo, then tilt a little more down, the tail is still showing...

[ApolloRising]

True, if we cut the tail off and fill in the gap between the wings we've got a close match forming. I think we're onto something.

[boycotteverything]

what resemblance??? hahahah c'mon now, apollo. we're moving beyond that fine line between analysis and klassic debunkery.

[KIWI]

[attachment=0:34jlsrhl]35F-22_Stealth_Bomber[1].jpg[/attachment:34jlsrhl] :lol:

[Snow Crash]

True, if we cut the tail off and fill in the gap between the wings we've got a close match forming. I think we're onto something.

We still need to paint it black. Anyone have any black stealthpaint going spare? I had some, but I can't find my stealthpaint any more.

[boycotteverything]

FYI- Klassic. The labored reduction of the highly strange to the mundane in the manner of Phil Klass.

[KIWI]

thank fuck for that BE, thought you were losing it there for a sec :arg:

here!.......have one of these

[attachment=0:1h4kqdxh]california042408.jpg[/attachment:1h4kqdxh]

[Snow Crash]

thank fuck for that BE, thought you were losing it there for a sec :arg:

here!.......have one of these

[attachment=0:2ncyh009]california042408.jpg[/attachment:2ncyh009]

Well I turned it the right way, and that turned out to be a Stealth Spatula.

[ApolloRising]

what resemblance??? hahahah c'mon now, apollo. we're moving beyond that fine line between analysis and klassic debunkery.

You don't see it? Come on, imagine; tilt the 747 by 12 degrees forwards, 8 up, 2 down, imagine there's no tail, imagine the wings are different, imagine it's much smaller and a different shape, imagine it's black, imagine all the people living life in peace. Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one, I hope someday you will join us, and the world will be as one.

Then what you see is a 747 becoming the plane in the original post.

And Snow, no stealth paint around here to my knowledge, but since I leaned on thin air earlier my elbow seems to have disappeared.

[KIWI]

thank fuck for that BE, thought you were losing it there for a sec :arg:

here!.......have one of these

[attachment=0:22kprwdh]california042408.jpg[/attachment:22kprwdh]

Well I turned it the right way, and that turned out to be a Stealth Spatula.
paint-brush......NASA art dept at it again? :alien:

[Snow Crash]

imagine

Fuck that... get someone to run a 3D model. Where'd Pack go?

[boycotteverything]

oh fuck. now i see it! thanks, man! and thanks to Lala for the use of her scissors!

[KIWI]

stil the quickest way known to get a chem-trail in place :pound:

[ApolloRising]

LOL, snow. They're not good enuogh, Cog's still not happy remember. He's still using his imagination :P

[boycotteverything]

imagine

Fuck that... get someone to run a 3D model. Where'd Pack go?He's over at Wangkin Hobbies buying some stealth black.

[Snow Crash]

imagine

Fuck that... get someone to run a 3D model. Where'd Pack go?He's over at Wangkin Hobbies buying some stealth black.

Ahhh trusty ol' Pack...

Apollo, get the StealthJumbo ready for his return, if you would...

[boycotteverything]

OK. The Pack's back.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/kittymoose77/P1550_14-06-09.jpg

[Snow Crash]

OK. The Pack's back.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/kittymoose77/P1550_14-06-09.jpg

Is that his Stealth Jeep parked out front?

[ApolloRising]

Apollo, get the StealthJumbo ready for his return, if you would...

I...er...well... I lost it.

[boycotteverything]

OK. The Pack's back.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/kittymoose77/P1550_14-06-09.jpg

Is that his Stealth Jeep parked out front?
Nah. He came by ladder. That's it lower left.

[ApolloRising]

Nah. He came by ladder. That's it lower left.

Secured by a stealth bicycle chain.

[KIWI]

sorted your software issues pac ?

[attachment=0:1gyqw6xq]5I2w7oX[1].jpg[/attachment:1gyqw6xq]

[Snow Crash]

Apollo, get the StealthJumbo ready for his return, if you would...

I...er...well... I lost it.

How'd you lose it? It's not as if it's incon-fucking-spicu... oh wait...

[boycotteverything]

who knew the ninth grade could be this much fun?

[KIWI]

that was fun , but it had to happen sooner or later.....

[attachment=0:20f040r0]ac_out_of_fuel[1].jpg[/attachment:20f040r0]

[Cogburn]

New theory, seeing as Cog's has been shot to shit:

By a ninth grader and pals... how embarassing.


School's back in, motherbitches.

63.4 degree angle of ascent

3,500 feet horizontal
3,700 feet veritcal

Not perfect but I don't feel like tweaking this for the next 6 hours to have it match exactly.

That's close enough for me.

http://i27.tinypic.com/29xhsw9.jpg

[ApolloRising]

That's close enough for me.

http://i27.tinypic.com/29xhsw9.jpg

Not for me. You know why?

It looks different.

[Snow Crash]

School's back in, motherbitches.


But you can't attend class, cos you have an appointment at the optometrists...

http://i27.tinypic.com/29xhsw9.jpg

[KIWI]

will only require the small scissors to sort the bugger out now,...good effort cog :w00t:

[Cogburn]

Feel free to run this by some military air traffic controllers who are trained to identify aircraft via silhouette.

Margin of error is a bitch.

Oh paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack3tgh0sssssssttt..........

[Cogburn]

That's not to mention I didn't take the time to properly distort the scale and angle of my image to match the OP.

That would definitely crush some of that detail along the edges.

<sigh>

Bored now.

[KIWI]

move along people, nothing to see here :beathorse:

[boycotteverything]

except this:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7937/clearblacktriangle.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

LOL I leave you fuckheads alone for like 10 mins and it all goes to shit lol

[pack3tg0st]

LOL no opinions on the SR-91 as a possible plane?

I see the work you did cog... but I still think if we had a 3d model of the SR-91, we'd find a closer match...

[Cogburn]

I'm inclined to agree.

EDIT: If there was a single shred of any photographic information on the SR91 we might be able to get a match... but since there isn't...

[KIWI]

except this:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7937/clearblacktriangle.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Snow Crash]

LOL no opinions on the SR-91 as a possible plane?

I see the work you did cog... but I still think if we had a 3d model of the SR-91, we'd find a closer match...

Did you get the Light Absorbing Black Stealth Paint for the StealthJumbo?

[Cogburn]

http://www.exchange3d.com/cubecart/aircraft-spacecraft/sr-91-aurora-3d-model/prod_12069.html

This is not worth $159. :)

Note the ailerons on the tips of the wings in the model are not evident in the photo.

If it's not the F117 then yeah, it's probably whatever is coming next.

I'll give it 70/30 odds in favor of being a F117, though.

Hmmmm....

[KIWI]

pac, turn this fucker on its side and add a stubby wing or two could ya?

[attachment=0:3s2u624q]Sarcophagus_of_Horkhebit2007.jpg[/attachment:3s2u624q]

[Snow Crash]

pac, turn this fucker on its side and add a stubby wing or two could ya?

[attachment=0:12saswpe]Sarcophagus_of_Horkhebit2007.jpg[/attachment:12saswpe]

Stealth Sarcophagus!

[Cogburn]

Pack, the thing I cued in on was the difference in what seems to be the "tips" of the wings... how the geometry is different comparing the right and left side. I tried to angle the F117 in a manner that would duplicate those angles. The only way I could approximate it was to shift it around so the tail was partially visible from behind the left-hand wing.

I can't create a geometry (in my head or in SU) where the left and right halves are symmetrical if you assume you cannot see the rear of the plane from behind the wing.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7937/clearblacktriangle.jpg

My vertical angle of attack is too far down, I don't have it pitched enough to the right, and SU isn't precise enough to get it to match 100%.

That shape we see is an optical illusion.

Stealth fighter doing it's job, I suppose.

[pack3tg0st]

It exists... but, like the SR-71 and the F-117 were at one point, its still highly classified...

The SR-71 was in use in the mid 60's... but the public didn't know about it until the early 90's (desert storm). It operated for nearly 30 years without the public knowing about it, or much photographic evidence...

The SR-71 was unveiled to the public when the SR-91 was put into service...

The plane exists... but we'll not see pictures of it for a long while methinks...

The only verifyable picture we have of the Aircraft is from a siting in 1989

But... here's the only photographic evidence we have Cog...

enjoy

[Cogburn]

Hmmm... Maybe an upward angle on the leading edge of the wing towards the tips...

That might explain that odd little angle on the tip of the left wing.

[imgs=300:3npgp4iq]http://i32.tinypic.com/xmk9ph.jpg[/imgs:3npgp4iq]

Or it could be my inaccuracy.

:P

[Cogburn]

Holy shit, I just noticed those were F-14s flying in escort.

That thing is fucking HUGE.

757 Wingspan: 124' 10"
F-14 Wingspan (unsweapt): 64' 1.5"
B-1 Wingspan (swept): 79'

A fighter w/ a 85-90ft wingspan?

The B-1, when swept, can do MACH 1.25.

New supersonic bomber to replace the B1/2?

HMMMMMMMMM.....

[WarlordZeroOne]

Must say to your UFO guys and Dolls,love the work you all put in on this Topic,and its brought me to the conclusion of how much you all enjoy, (Speculation) and the ideas and research from all involved,you should all work for NASA or some agency,unpaid at AmKon. lol

[pack3tg0st]

LOL F-111's cog...

F-111 wingspan when "out" is 63 ft...

The "experts" think these are the stats to the SR-91

General characteristics
Crew: 2 (1 pilot, 1 reconnaissance systems officer)
Length: 35 m (115 ft)
Wingspan: 20 m (65 ft)
Height: 6 m (19 ft)
Wing area: 300 m² (3,200 ft²)
Empty weight: 29,480 kg (65,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 71,215 kg (157,000 lb)
Powerplant: (Low Speed) 4× afterburning turbofans, (unknown thrust) each, (High Speed) 4× ramjets, scramjets or pulse detonation engines (267 kN est. thrust) (High Speed) 4× ramjets, scramjets or pulse detonation engines each
Performance
Maximum speed: At least Mach 6 at altitude (unknown at sea level)
Range: 15,000 km (9,320 mi)
Service ceiling: 40,000 m (131,000 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.70 est.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL WZO:

Yah, we like to figure shit out here... a lot of other CT sites just sit and debate...

we actually try and solve shit...

Its nice... at least at the end of the day, we've accomplished something...

[KIWI]

WZ0

you should all work for NASA or some agency,unpaid at AmKon. lol




sshhhh...........they do, spose ta be a secret :thegeneral:

[pack3tg0st]

shhhh

Don't tell anyone... but I work for these guys:

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1957075module9243266photo_1208983673Depa rtment_of_Redundancy_Department.gif

[Cogburn]

LOL F-111's cog...

F-111 wingspan when "out" is 63 ft...

The "experts" think these are the stats to the SR-91

General characteristics
Crew: 2 (1 pilot, 1 reconnaissance systems officer)
Length: 35 m (115 ft)
Wingspan: 20 m (65 ft)
Height: 6 m (19 ft)
Wing area: 300 m² (3,200 ft²)
Empty weight: 29,480 kg (65,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 71,215 kg (157,000 lb)
Powerplant: (Low Speed) 4× afterburning turbofans, (unknown thrust) each, (High Speed) 4× ramjets, scramjets or pulse detonation engines (267 kN est. thrust) (High Speed) 4× ramjets, scramjets or pulse detonation engines each
Performance
Maximum speed: At least Mach 6 at altitude (unknown at sea level)
Range: 15,000 km (9,320 mi)
Service ceiling: 40,000 m (131,000 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.70 est.
DOH! That's why I don't play that game very often. At least the wingspan is close enough for argument.

:lol:

My vote is for the PDE for supersonic flight. We've seen that evidence before.

http://www.mercuryrapids.co.uk/ufos-secret-Image8.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/NosferatuVI/Aurora.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/GarytheSnail1991/myst05.gif?t=1247113186

[pack3tg0st]

Yah,

the more I look at these pictures... The more I'm convinced its the aurora...

Here's the montage...
[attachment=1:1ix347bp]stormcloud-montage-smalledit1.jpg[/attachment:1ix347bp]

Compared with this concept image, the silhouette is remarkably similar...
[attachment=0:1ix347bp]sr91.jpg[/attachment:1ix347bp]

For the record, that would place the aircraft flying from right to left in the big image...

[pack3tg0st]

Although, it would be pretty exciting if it was indeed the Aurora... there aren't too many photographs of the fucker floating around...

I guess the next step would be to check for Air Force Bases nearby...

[Cogburn]

I dunno man... the upturned wingtips on Sweetman's concept looks a bit closer...

But after actually taking a gander around at some of the Aurora stuff on the web, I think you're probably right about the OP image being the Aurora.

Should have summoned you into this thread sooner... but then Apollo wouldn't be all that much smarter now. :)

[pack3tg0st]

lol now I have something nagging on my mind...

WTF was a top secret jet doing in Bumfuck Greenville South Carolina...

Heading south there is only a public airport...

way further south is an Army fort with a runway... but thats a long way to go if you're trying to remain "secret" by flying below cloud cover...

[Cogburn]

Hahah... you won't believe the bell that just rung.

Greenville, SC 2009: Home to Serial killers, Martians, and philandering governors. (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message814625/pg1)

[pack3tg0st]

I get a thread about something in dallas/ft worth...

nothing about greenville... is the link correct?

[Cogburn]

Oh yeah... it's correct.

The strange guy stated in the OP was later found wandering around in .... Greenville, SC.

Can't remember which page though.

Luck you.

:lol:

[pack3tg0st]

lol fucker...

how the HELL did you even...

oh man...

you're a little odd aren't you? :lol:

[Cogburn]

Hahahah.... My job is a lot of "hurry up and wait for 3 months".

I'm in waiting mode.

[Cogburn]

More fun...

Greenville: suspect "FEMA Camp" location. (http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062)
Hoaxster Sorcha Faal/David Booth says that Mark Sanford was asking Russia for help w/ secession. (http://hiddenmysteries.net/geeklog/article.php?story=20090623095403370) (This one is all over the internet in various forums, Booth is the original source as best I can tell)
Guess where the most recent serial killer was stalking victims.... Just outside Greenville. (http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS322US322&sourceid=chrome&q=Oconee+County,+South+Carolina&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=GoJVSpT5F4f2sgPgjcDHDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1)

Ok... Now here's where it just spirals into the surreal.

Jennifer Evans, dead at age 40. Most notable case... Prosecuting the first sub-prime mortgage lender... (http://www.scattorneygeneral.org/newsroom/pdf/karenmiller.pdf) in 2005. Where did the owners of HomeGold Financial call home? Greenville, SC. (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090623/NEWS/906230315/1069/YOURUPSTATE01/HomeGold-prosecutor-dies-at-41) The CFO was sentenced June 4, 2009... and given a reduced sentence for cooperation (http://www.pickenssentinel.com/pages/full_story?article-Former%20HomeGold%20CFO%20sentenced-Karen%20Miller%20reported%20to%20jail%20Monday-%20=&page_label=home_top_stories_news&id=2667826-Former+HomeGold+CFO+sentenced-Karen+Miller+reported+to+jail+Monday-&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead&open=&). 25 days later, the primary prosecutor, Evans, is dead. Oh yeah, Miller is from Greenville.

What the hell is so special about Greenville?

[lala]

Was nosey around and found 4 pic of you plane thing! . . . link . . . http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/06/photos-triangle-shaped-ufo-over.html . . .. and here pic they enlarge very well on this site :D

[attachment=2:2v9n1tza]SC1.jpg[/attachment:2v9n1tza]

[attachment=1:2v9n1tza]SC2.jpg[/attachment:2v9n1tza]

[attachment=0:2v9n1tza]SC3.jpg[/attachment:2v9n1tza]

[lala]

Last one . . .

[attachment=0:yr3c95so]SC4.jpg[/attachment:yr3c95so]

[lala]

And a bit more looking around . . . .


See updated info below photographs at bottom of page: Updated: 8:59 AM 6/10/2009-

Greenville, South Carolina - 05-26-09

The UFO Casebook received the following submission with three photographs.

On May 26, 2009, at 12:30 PM, I was outside watching some thunderstorms pass by over my home. I had my camera with me, hoping to get a photo or two of some lightning.

Instead this strange looking jet plane came from the northwest, and headed south. I thought that maybe it was a new type of aircraft the military was flying.

I didn't hear any engine sound, but then again, there was thunder in the background.

The sighting occurred in Greenville, South Carolina. Camera used was a Minolta Z5.

Thanks,

C. Salvo

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009b/greenvillesc052609.html

[WarlordZeroOne]

Well must tell all of you,i like the way you all tick,even at my age i have had some great laughs from u Guy's and Doll's,and thanx to you all for putting up with this OLD BASTARD,my Kindest Regards to all you Mothers.lol, No you can't have a sloppy kiss.

[lala]

Heres one from 08 . . . .

[attachment=0:otel9xdc]18tr3april08.jpg[/attachment:otel9xdc]


GREENVILLE – At 11:24 AM, on April 19, 2008, this triangle shaped object flew over my subdivision and I thought it was a B-3 bomber. There were thunderstorms this morning and it was raining and windy. I spotted a triangle shape object heading toward me and went inside and grabbed my camera and took pictures of the unknown object. I would have taken more but my battery pack died. (I wonder??) The UFO or aircraft came from the west and headed east. Could this be Lockheed's new toy?

Third Photo Submitted by Witness: I've been trying to extract a third photo from my camera and with help from professionals I was able to get the third and final photo of the black object. (There is even a bird flying by at the bottom of the photo.)

Comments: This could be it! This could be a real photo of the mysterious Aurora or TR3B Flying Triangle that has longed been rumored to be in construction. The craft must have been flying very low given the low cloud ceiling. In addition the low sound certainly excludes any Stealth aircraft. Analysis shows that these photos are authentic. Additional analysis does not indicate any fabrication. It is believed that the photos are of a real object in the sky.

Update April 25, 2008: The third photo of the triangle recovered by the witness certainly reveals very useful information because one can see the top and rear of the object. The photo reveals more detail about the shape and structure of the object. The object is moving away from the witness towards the east. According to the camera clock the third photo was taken 1 minute and 27 seconds after the second photo. The second photo was taken 55 seconds after the first photo. Therefore two minutes and 22 seconds elapsed in the three photo session. More study will be conducted regarding the possible identification of this object. Anyone with information about this aircraft is urged to file a report
www.nationalufocenter.com/.../article_222.php (http://www.nationalufocenter.com/.../article_222.php)

[boycotteverything]

In addition the low sound certainly excludes any Stealth aircraft.

[skunk]

Great work folks.

BE, I don't know if you've ever seen a stealth aircraft flying, but they do make a sound. While hiking in Canyonlands National Park in Utah, a SR-71 blackbird decided it would be a good idea to come roaring through a canyon. It was flying very low, maybe only a few hundred feet off the ground, and circled above my hiking group. We were definitely nothing to pay attention to, but I'm sure the pilot was surprised to see us :D.

Later that trip, we were sleeping in a very narrow canyon. Three planes flew overhead. They each had triangle shaped bodies with three lights on the bottom of their fuselage. They looked like F-117s. They may have been quiet in terms of aircraft, but they definitely made a sound. Not anywhere near as loud as the SR-71 though.

[boycotteverything]

Yeah- I've seen 'em, Skunky. I saw a fly-over in the Springs last year. The noise knocked my dick string loose. That's one reason that this unidentified object could never have been a low flying F-117- no matter how you photoshop it.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Yeah, moving kind of slow for something that close...and, apparently, right to left?

[boycotteverything]

i dunno. ask schlongburn and his butt-boy, Kiwi. ...but don't ask Lala.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Upon review, yeah, right to left.

It rotates, almost flat, away from the viewer's perspective, to the left; nose at first pointing over the viewer's left shoulder, second image; nose pointing directly left, third image; nose pointing left and away from viewer.

Also, in the higher res images, one gets the impression of looking up at the underside of this craft.

Different tonal qualities suggest a different surface...

In the first image in the sequence, the one with the street lamp, one can make out ridges across the bottom edge indicating structure; thruster cowling?

[ApolloRising]

I think there's been some great discussion and research on this thread and even though Cog's an arse I think I'll smite him. If nothing else you gotta hand it to him for finding a premise and running with it to the bitter bitter end :P At least, until I give up pointing out he's wrong so he can backtrack and admit it himself without losing face.

Also, regarding the Aurora, I can see it being a closer match but not quite perfect. The Aurora is also a recon only plane I think (correct if wrong) and I suspet they're now defunct or close to, what with UAV recon drones and spy satelites. Based on that conjecturing, I'm gonna guess that whatever it is is probably a fighter/bomber version of the Aurora.

[Cogburn]

Let's be clear.

My beliefs and my opinions are not my religion and I will change a position on the drop of a dime should the facts compel me to do so... because that's what smart, intellectually honest, normal people do.

It's only those with an agenda or the insane that cling to impossible theories in the face of new evidence or make unfounded, unsupported assumptions.

Again, welcome to AmKon.

[pack3tg0st]

I dunno...

The US still uses U2 spy planes... and we've had all sorts of nifty spy planes invented since then...

SR-71 being one of em...

There are things manned can do vs unmanned... the cool thing about the SR71 is that it traveled so fuckin fast, that by the time the enemy heard the sonic boom, they were long gone (supersonic is COOL!)..

UAV's will never replace manned recon...

As far as being obsolete, they used the SR-71 for nearly 30 years... Airframes rarely go outmoded... it's the technology on board that changes to keep up with the times...

The Military uses Boing 737's (AWACS)... the airframe first went airborn in the 60's... thats 45-50 years... (god BE... you really are old... hehe)

i'm sure they'll keep using the SR-91 until they can find something faster...

[KIWI]

Yeah- I've seen 'em, Skunky. I saw a fly-over in the Springs last year. The noise knocked my dick string loose. That's one reason that this unidentified object could never have been a low flying F-117- no matter how you photoshop it.

butt boy to BE, come in BE, :lol: .....................I wouldnt think it the 117 either, butt Im going on the shape not the fact regarding the lack of noise, whos to say the powerplant driving the aircraft you see during air-shows is necessarily the only option for it,?........butt then again whos to say for sure it isnt :scratch:

[boycotteverything]

yeah but then again- if the queen had balls she's be king.

[pack3tg0st]

F-117's aren't always loud man... I dunno why people think they are...

here's a flyby... looks like the Plane gets much closer to the camera than it did with the photos in the OP...

and the very very minute sound you here for a second or two... could easily be mistaken for thunder...

If a plane isn't coming in hot... it can be very quiet...

y]ioAEazimSFgy]

I don't understand why everyone thinks 1) Aircraft ALWAYS run hot and loud... and 2) Why we're assuming the plane in the pics was dead silent anyway...

Too many assumptions...

[KIWI]

Buttfukanything wrote


yeah but then again- if the queen had balls she's be king.


you and Chorlton are quite close now?.....see if he will give you a quick peek down the front of his trousers :idea:

..anything there?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

I don't know about that, but they say...

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633496001114813640-hawking.jpg

[KIWI]

word is the voice synch he uses is just a link to google

[pack3tg0st]

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[KIWI]

:lol: ................its the way he tells them

[skunk]

F-117's aren't always loud man... I dunno why people think they are...


Just to clarify from before. I didn't say they were loud, just that they made a noise. On the contrary, they were damn quiet, considering three of them were flying extremely low over a canyon which amplifies every sound.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Amazed at u UFO guy's, they have a top secret Method of silencing these aircraft and what happens is the Noise and thrust goe's through special combustion chambers, thats when lets all the pressure out like compressed air,i am amazed that u lot have not found out about it, i would give you the link but i have had some bad press about links, so on this one only, i will let you do some hunting.Good Luck.

[KIWI]

I think they are all aware of that WZ0........my interest would be from the angle of TOTAL silence gives the idea it might be something travelling inside its own artificial gravity field, a standard propulsion system can be muffled as you say, but there would be at least a swishing sound as it interacted with the air around it,

and as for the links, any site that requires you to submit your personel details, e-mail addy....(can go fuck themselves) to view something isnt worth the hassel, ask yourself why? will they sell your details to marketing outfits?....if Im wrong its ok, Fox will abuse me at his convenience.

you will get there WZ0,.......you cant eat the whole elephant all at once :smokin:

[WarlordZeroOne]

Thanx for that KIWI. it will be interesting what the Boffins say about it.

[ApolloRising]

Let's be clear.

My beliefs and my opinions are not my religion and I will change a position on the drop of a dime should the facts compel me to do so... because that's what smart, intellectually honest, normal people do.


Well, yeah, sure, they do, but you don't. Remember that other other thread?

[Ima Nasshole]

Let's be clear.

My beliefs and my opinions are not my religion and I will change a position on the drop of a dime should the facts compel me to do so... because that's what smart, intellectually honest, normal people do.


Well, yeah, sure, they do, but you don't. Remember that other other thread?
Ooooo, sounds like a "Geek fight"...

[boycotteverything]

I will change a position on the drop of a dime you and Sarah Palin...

[ApolloRising]

Ooooo, sounds like a "Geek fight"...

It is, *polishes glasses*

This is on now

:P

[Cogburn]

Let's be clear.

My beliefs and my opinions are not my religion and I will change a position on the drop of a dime should the facts compel me to do so... because that's what smart, intellectually honest, normal people do.


Well, yeah, sure, they do, but you don't. Remember that other other thread?
... and sometimes I like to be a dickhead.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/adhorow/Welcome_To_The_Internet.jpg

[WarlordZeroOne]

You are all great value for Money.keep it rolling.

[ApolloRising]

... and sometimes I like to be a dickhead.


My observations show that that's 'mainly' if not 'all the time'. I figure enjoying being a dickhead online where there are no reprucussions suggests you have some sort of issues in real life with bullying or something of that nature perhaps.

It's ok, you're amongst friends here...

... at least I'm guessing some of the other members like you?

[lala]

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[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Whoop!
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/funny0214.jpg
Ass!

[lala]

shouldnt he be in the pink triangle thread goo? :)

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

He looks very happy to be where he is...http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons%20pngs/tongue.png

[ApolloRising]

I can't help but get the feeling everyone's standing around chanting: Fight, Fight!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/newlogo.gif

[Ima Nasshole]

Whoop!
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/funny0214.jpg
Ass!
I believe that looks a lot like Cog from the member's photo thread, slightly different hat but the ass looks the same.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

... but the ass looks the same.

That's not what he said...

[Ima Nasshole]

I can't help but get the feeling everyone's standing around chanting: Fight, Fight!
Wrong, we're all standing here going...


Fight you fucking pussies! :pound:

You just gonna stand there? :pound:

C'mon, fight fuckers! :pound:

[Cogburn]

http://i25.tinypic.com/s25z81.png

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/ATSMALS.jpg

[Snow Crash]

http://i25.tinypic.com/s25z81.png

http://one-finger-salute.org/middle_finger.png

[ApolloRising]

It's best you stick to images, Snow. Cog struggles with words.

[Snow Crash]

It's best you stick to images, Snow. Cog struggles with words.

I dunno if images are guaranteed to work... he thought a stealth door wedge was a F117 for fuck sake.

Though, if you tilt it one way, I kinda see what he meant.... ignoring the tail of course...

[ApolloRising]

Ha, true, but despite what he said it's his religion. Get an idea and ride it until no one challenges him anymore. With your use of imagery the message should be clear enough that such a situation doesn't reoccur.

[KIWI]

must be a new addition to the Urban Dictionary due......to be "Apollo'd".....youre a bit slow today Ima

[Snow Crash]

must be a new addition to the Urban Dictionary due......to be "Apollo'd".....youre a bit slow today Ima

I believe it's known in the scientific community as Apollotion... though some say that is too close to Appalachian.

[KIWI]

must be a new addition to the Urban Dictionary due......to be "Apollo'd".....youre a bit slow today Ima

I believe it's known in the scientific community as Apollotion... though some say that is too close to Appalachian.

...To be applied liberally should pain persist?

[Snow Crash]

must be a new addition to the Urban Dictionary due......to be "Apollo'd".....youre a bit slow today Ima

I believe it's known in the scientific community as Apollotion... though some say that is too close to Appalachian.

...To be applied liberally should pain persist?

With a paint roller, my good man, with a paint roller.

[KIWI]

:lol: .....nice

actually with Ima at the bottom of all this 8) .......perhaps there is room for a 3rd addition....

To be " Ass-holed"..... to be overly flattered to such a degree that the recipient now suffers dillusions of adequacy :smokin:

[boycotteverything]

he thought a stealth door wedge was a F117 for fuck sake.
an exercise in Klassic debunkery...

From the Urban Dictionary

2. Klassic

Of and pertaining to the methods used in debunking UFOs in the manner of Philip Klass.
Swamp gas? Klassic!
get this def on a mug Mug
disingenuous pernicious nixonian gratuitous debunkery
by General Striker Jul 9, 2009 share this
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=klassic

[KIWI]

to experience an unatural enlarging of the right Scotta-tarcel muscle :pound:

[Cogburn]

Love me. Hate me. Say my name, bitches.

[boycotteverything]

to experience an unatural enlarging of the right Scotta-tarcel muscle :pound:is that a gun in your pocket or are ya just glad to see me again?

[KIWI]

Love me. Hate me. Say my name, bitches.

to be sung in a minor key.... :)

c'mon cog dive in, if everyone pulled back when the shit-cannon goes off there would be no fukka here :twisted:

[lala]

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[WarlordZeroOne]

Its taking 2 long Lala for these guys to lose their nuts and the fooooking thread has finished,just when i was getting into the 3rd world war thats gone poof, you guy's really do not give a fuck about each other,its a good job you are not living next door to each other,but you can't own a Gun in the UK,fuckin-hell always something to spoil your fun, we'll,meet at sun-up for the dual,don't be late Dudes.lol (or i should have said Pistols at Dawn).

[Oblivion]

if those are "impressive" shots, then i'd hate to see your worst ones.

omg, its a black silhouette in the sky 17km away

man, that sure is impressive! :smokin:

[Oblivion]

I believe it's known in the scientific community as Apollotion...

it puts the apollotion in the basket, or else it gets the hose.

yes it does precious, it gets the hose. :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/474935035_727806be33.jpg

[WarlordZeroOne]

Could this be The End of the Black Triangle.

[Cogburn]

I believe it's known in the scientific community as Apollotion...

it puts the apollotion in the basket, or else it gets the hose.

yes it does precious, it gets the hose. :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/474935035_727806be33.jpg
ROFL

I was thinking more like...

Apollution:
the act of, at a random point within a forum debate thread, creating a flood of posts stating "I WIN!" until anyone involved in the discussion gets bored and posts in one of Ducky's threads

Usage:
"Dude, you have completely apolluted this thread.."
"WTF are you gonna do now, apollute this thread because I proved you're an idiot?"
"Well we were debating abortion until the right-wing apollution got so bad we just left."

[lala]

Could this be The End of the Black Triangle.

I don't know WZ but was staring out at the sky's last night and saw this . . . . :shock:

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[ApolloRising]

Cog's just pissed cause I win :P

[Ima Nasshole]

The elusive black circle... had one of those in a dream last night... or was she black?

[Snow Crash]

Cog's just pissed cause I win :P

He loves you really. He just has a hard time showing it.

[ApolloRising]

And here we have an example of an idiot.


if those are "impressive" shots, then i'd hate to see your worst ones.

omg, its a black silhouette in the sky 17km away

man, that sure is impressive! :smokin:

Believe it or not it's quite rare to come across home-taken shots of known or unknown stealth jets of this quality that don't look blatently fake.

[ApolloRising]

Cog's just pissed cause I win :P

He loves you really. He just has a hard time showing it.

Some people find it hard to discuss and communicate things, Snow. Cog's one of those people. It's ok though. We have a word for those people:

Idiots.

And being an idiot is not a crime.

[Oblivion]

i can haz ID10T ?

[WarlordZeroOne]

Yeah Lala,the Black Hole is like this thread,once you get sucked in,no telling where you will end up.

[boycotteverything]

The elusive black circle... had one of those in a dream last night... or was she black?This little known quote from Ron Paul comes to mind-


"Show me a man obsessed with boasting about his sexual conquests and I'll show you a man with a flaccid dick."