Drawing lines: Government documentation of UFOs

[Cogburn]

Could use a hand from the SERPO / Disclosure Project crowd on this one, will save me hours of research. The end result might be insightful, might not.

When I approach a conspiracy, I focus on the people and not the events or "facts". People create conspiracies, not things or information. This is either done intentionally through misrepresentation or unintentionally either by carelessness or by being deceived personally.

After watching a video posted in this thread (http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=109374#p109374), and witnessing the subject of the video make several references to Philip Corso's book as being a primary motivation for research, I found myself asking the following questions.

* How incestuous is the UFOlogy community surrounding the investigation of government documentation of UFOs and aliens?
* What people keep cropping up time and time again as either sources or "inspiration" for research?
* How many times to the agree/disagree and on what points?

An "essential" storyline could be established, only utilizing facts common through "truth" presented by all of the various organizations involved.

Finding out who disseminates what information and how integral it is to each organization's view of the universe may, or may not, yield some interesting results.

[Lexion]

Phil Corso is a fucking wannabe.

Everything he says about "released"
technology can be traced back to
it's roots.

Provenance is a bitch, for Phil.

Kinda ruins everything he says.

Regards,
Lex

[Cogburn]

Now how many quote Corso as gospel and/or the foundation of their own research?

[Lexion]

Too many.

Sad,
Lex

[mur]

Phil Corso is a fucking wannabe.

Everything he says about "released"
technology can be traced back to
it's roots.

Provenance is a bitch, for Phil.

Kinda ruins everything he says.

Regards,
Lex


I read Corso's book...and i believed every word....at the time.

However...over the last couple of years I have come to the conclusion that little of what Corso relates is true

This article by Budd Hopkins sums it up for me

http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/Hellyerh_Corso.html

Ufology can't use unproven fairytales as the basis of any kind of revelation of the truth.

Ufology is hopelessly lost.....we are on our own to figure it out for ourselves....and truthfully, I would not have it any other way.

The govt knows far less than most ufo truthers, would believe....and just why would any ufo truther believe whatever the govt would disclose?

I believe that some type of phenomena has occurred and is occurring, beyond that I don't know except I doubt I will trust is any "official" disclosure.

[boycotteverything]

It's instructive to note that the book was actually written by Bill Birnes. Stan Friedman doesn't buy it either.

[mur]

It's instructive to note that the book was actually written by Bill Birnes. Stan Friedman doesn't buy it either.

I never heard that before...got a link?

[Yex]

"Unfortunately, I find the book most unsatisfactory even though it includes many claims with which I agree. Corso is in his 80s. Co-author William Birnes has written and packaged many other books, so I suspect he should get most of the blame for this exploitation of the great public interest in what I call Roswell fever."

From beardies homepage

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfcorso.html

[boycotteverything]

Nice. I remember it from the cover- not to mention the style.

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/images/Day_After_Roswell_1.gif

[Cogburn]

:lol:

So Corso/Birnes is generally regarded nowadays as bunk? Comedy.

But isn't Stanton Friedman his own special kind of loony?

He likes to decry "debunkers" for making flights of fancy and then proceeds to outline exactly how an alien civilization would proceed about colonizing space just because it's the way that we would do it.

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sf-ufo-propulsion-systems.html

Interesting though... he seems to have taken great pains, and quite successfully, to separate him self from the obvious lunatic fringe. He even seems a bit stand-offish with Greer's crew.