Female Circumcision (Genital Mutilation) In Africa & Abroad

[Ducky]

What is with the men over there?

Why do the men insist on taking away a major part of the female sexuality?

FOR WHAT REASON?

[offsite:16rbdwko]Female genital cutting (FGC), also known as female genital mutilation (FGM), female circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), is defined by the WHO as "all procedures involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs whether for cultural, religious or other non-therapeutic reasons."[1] The term is almost exclusively used to describe traditional or religious procedures where parents must give consent, because of the minor age of the subject, rather than to procedures generally done with self-consent (such as labiaplasty and vaginoplasty).[2][3][4] It also generally does not refer to procedures used in gender reassignment surgery, and the genital modification of intersexuals.[5][6][7][/offsite:16rbdwko]

READ MORE HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision)

[Lexion]

FGC

Fucking Gross Cunt.

Retching,
Lex

[Ducky]

FGC

Fucking Gross Cunt.

Retching,
Lex

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh you bastard....what the fuck man? it was the guys who mutilated her that did that....

[Ducky]

No respect for the females

[pack3tg0st]

But yet, when we circumcise men... no one bitches...

Double standard?

[Ducky]

But yet, when we circumcise men... no one bitches...

Double standard?

I think in this case, these bastards cut out the clitoris too.

[pack3tg0st]

just like cutting off the foreskin ducky...

Most of the nerve endings are in the foreskin...

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

But yet, when we circumcise men... no one bitches...

Double standard?


Not really; on the male, they snip a flap of skin, the nerved packed glans left exposed but intact, on the female, yeah, they take the whole fucking clit.

[Ducky]

just like cutting off the foreskin ducky...

Most of the nerve endings are in the foreskin...

Ummmmm....you DO know what the clit is for hon?

We're not talking about the extra fold of skins. The actual pleasure center babes.

[pack3tg0st]

So is it ok if we take half the clit?

[Ducky]

So is it ok if we take half the clit?

Female circumsision includes the WHOLE CLIT.

[pack3tg0st]

Right... I know...

But since male circumcision is okay... and that takes away some 60% of nerve endings for the guy...

Is it ok if we modify female circumcision to only take half the clit?

[Ima Nasshole]

Right... I know...

But since male circumcision is okay... and that takes away some 60% of nerve endings for the guy...

Is it ok if we modify female circumcision to only take half the clit?
Yes, and the preferred method should be nibbling it off at the ripe age of 18 or so (16 in Nevada).

[Ducky]

Right... I know...

But since male circumcision is okay... and that takes away some 60% of nerve endings for the guy...

Is it ok if we modify female circumcision to only take half the clit?

Only if we can slice 1/2 your dick...then mabey we'll be on the same page?

[Ducky]

:lol:

[pack3tg0st]

But that is essentially what circumcision is ducks... you're taking over half of the nerve endings that feel sexual pleasure, and cutting them off...

so to make it fair, we'll only cut out half the clit...

Or perhaps there's a double standard here...

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

But wait, there's more!

Hurry now and get half-off all clits!

Tell'em pack sent you...

[pack3tg0st]

LOL

just for the record: I'm not endorsing circumcision

I'm merely pointing out a hypocritical double standard in the current moral zeitgeist.

[Ducky]

But wait, there's more!

Hurry now and get half-off all clits!

Tell'em pack sent you...

Christ....time to cash in the coupons at....

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

a hypocritical double standard in the current moral zeitgeist.

You noticed!

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633507858121403256-notice.jpg

It's a sign...

[Ima Nasshole]

But that is essentially what circumcision is ducks... you're taking over half of the nerve endings that feel sexual pleasure, and cutting them off...

so to make it fair, we'll only cut out half the clit...

Or perhaps there's a double standard here...
What's better, a pig in the blanket and nerve endings? or A very masculine phallic symbol?

Really, would you rather have something that looks like a 6 month old dried up canoli?

[pack3tg0st]

than let the male decide if thats what he wants when he reaches 18...

Gaurenteed there won't be half as many male circumsicions.

[pack3tg0st]

a hypocritical double standard in the current moral zeitgeist.

You noticed!



LOL yah..

but pointing out hypocrisy in the zeitgeist tends to draw flak...

it was enough to get ducky riled...

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

What's better, a and nerve endings? or A very masculine phallic symbol?

Really, would you rather have something that looks like a 6 month old dried up canoli?

I think I'll have the pig in the blanket, with the masculine phallic symbol on the side.

And could I have extra marinara on the 6 month old dried up canoli?

Thanks!

[Ima Nasshole]

than let the male decide if thats what he wants when he reaches 18...

Gaurenteed there won't be half as many male circumsicions.
There will be a few more 18 year old virgins, chicks don't dig the pig!

Reminded me of something...

Why are Jewish men circumcised?

Because Jewish women won't touch anything unless it's at least 10% off.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

than let the male decide if thats what he wants when he reaches 18...

Nah, that won't happen; it's a case of the PTB branding their product early on...

[pack3tg0st]

Touched by a Mohel?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Hey, it ain't just a jew thing you know...

[pack3tg0st]

Nope its not... its a religious thing...

Its always been a religious thing... there's a long story to that... I'll take the time to write it out if you really want...

I'd probably be an anti-semite for talking about it though...

Just like I'm a nazi and jew hater because I don't agree with Israeli politics...

Oh well...

If the jews start coming at me, i'll just drop a few rolls of pennies... that'll keep em occupied...

oh fuck, that wasn't appropriate...

[boycotteverything]

well at least to the jews' credit female circumcision has always been considered to be a grave crime and is forbidden.

[boycotteverything]

Nope its not... its a religious thing... it's hygienic thing that became a religious thing.

[pack3tg0st]

nah dude, it was a religious thing that the religious wanted the people to think was hygienic...

Then after a while the population became convinced it was a hygiene thing...

and today, if you ask most people, they'll think it's healthier, when in all actuality, studies show that it really isn't all its been cracked up to be...

long long history there... and a lengthy lengthy post if I were to run through all the particulars... but thats the gist...

It was "god" that mandated that all his people need to be circumcised... in fact, originally, the foreskin was offered as a sacrifice to the "lord".

[Ima Nasshole]

take it from somebody that stares at his dick for hours...



...doesn't matter if it was a religious thing or not, it just looks better.

[boycotteverything]

it just looks betterYeah- well there's that, too, and i agree. On the other hand the practice predates Hebraic culture by thousands of years- as did most of the dietary rules that were eventually codified as the Kosher/ Halal laws.

[Ducky]

Double standards. Key word here.

[boycotteverything]

Double standards. Key word here.Yep. For Jews it's required for men and prohibited for women. I guess that's a double standard.

[Ducky]

Double standards. Key word here.Yep. For Jews it's required for men and prohibited for women. I guess that's a double standard.

You got that right.

[Ducky]

The question remains unanswered.

Why do men HAVE TO circumcise women in the first place?

[boycotteverything]

they don't have to nor should they. it's an exquisitely cruel practice.

[Ducky]

they don't have to nor should they. it's an exquisitely cruel practice.

Probably one of the few things that we agree on. (Somebody better record this for posterity)

Smited

[Ducky]

For what purpose does it serve to circumsize females?

[pack3tg0st]

Stepping outside our "Western" moral zeitgeist, and trying to see things from the perspective of the individuals who carry out the deed... I'm sure it has dual purposes... Probably some religious stuff along with ensuring that women derive no pleasure from sex... thus keeping them faithful...

Remember in some religions its actually a "sin" to enjoy sex... sex is for the purposes of reproduction only...

But, you have to look at it from the perspective of the society in question...

However, just like when we observe history, it is intellectually dishonest to apply our western morality and our version of what we feel is right/wrong onto a culture that we don't fully understand.

The doctors aren't chastised here in the west for circumcising a newborn boy... But we feel free to sling mud and be pissed about the goings on in Africa without even fully understanding where the zeitgeist of their culture lies...

In other words: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

or, if you would like a parable from the bible...


Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

And there's also this one:


So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

(now lets chuckle at the atheist quoting the bible :P)

Now back to addressing the double standard...

Why is it ok to put boys through this, but not girls?

All apologetics aside, there is absolutely no reasonable answer to this question.

[century]

Some times I feel that way about my detachable penis

[FancyFree]

pack, guys with their dick, circumcised or not, can still receive sexual pleasure, and i honestly don't know of any male who has been circumcised that wish they weren't, don't think there are too many, right???? Females who have had circumcision generally have NO sexual pleasure and i'm sure all of the women who have been circumcised wish they weren't.

Extraction of the clit would be comparable to a guy's dick being cut off, not having the foreskin removed.

[Ducky]

pack, guys with their dick, circumcised or not, can still receive sexual pleasure, and i honestly don't know of any male who has been circumcised that wish they weren't, don't think there are too many, right???? Females who have had circumcision generally have NO sexual pleasure and i'm sure all of the women who have been circumcised wish they weren't.

Extraction of the clit would be comparable to a guy's dick being cut off, not having the foreskin removed.

Good point babes!

[WarlordZeroOne]

Jess you are right and look how we all agree, WTF is gonig down, doing that to a woman,Evil Stupid,Idiotic BASTARDS. give me an M60 i'll get rid of the guilty males,sometimes an automatic weapon has its uses.

[century]

Whats wrong with a meaty labia

[lala]

Its not a stand to get boys circumcisied . . . . I never got my boy's done, had a big arguement about it with the mother-inlaw . . . as there dad had been done, but I was going to put them through un-necessary pain to just please her . . . but I always thought the males got done for religion or hygenic reasons, as they were dirty bastard years ago . . . . bath ones a year!

And as for why they cut the girl, tradition, to make sure they stay a virgin before they marry . . . they would have trouble finding a husband to support them if it is not done . . . .they say that it keeps them pure thus being a more worthy bride peices . . . .

I found this on it Ducky . . . and BE there is a naught jew sect into it too . . . .


Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt.6 Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.*
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html

[Bitchkoma]

Whats wrong with a meaty labia

MEAT CURTAINS FTW!!

[boycotteverything]

. but I always thought the males got done for religion or hygenic reasons, as they were dirty bastard years ago . . . . bath ones a year!In my view, Lala's simple answer is correct.

But don't do this at home:

Man uses nail clippers in DIY circumcision
A man who gave himself a DIY circumcision using nail clippers was taken to hospital for emergency treatment.


Published: 9:00AM BST 30 Jun 2009
Nail clippers: Man uses nail clippers in DIY circumcision
Nail clippers: 'This is something we would advise men never to attempt,' a medic said Photo: GETTY

The young man had to be rushed to the Lister Hospital in Stevenage, Hertfordshire. The wound was disinfected to cleanse it before he was given a bed in an observation ward.

"This is something we would advise men never to attempt," a medic said, "The results can be quite horrific and long-lasting and have quite an affect on a man's sexual performance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5694913/Man-uses-nail-clippers-in-DIY-circumcision.html

[boycotteverything]

The doctors aren't chastised here in the west for circumcising a newborn boy... But we feel free to sling mud and be pissed about the goings on in Africa without even fully understanding where the zeitgeist of their culture lies...Male circumcision is indeed 'chastised' and debated- as evidenced by the comments in this thread, most notably your own. 'Zeitgeists' aside, there is no scientific justification for the removal of female genitalia. It's as simple as that. The practice is a violation of human rights and is rightly condemned. As culturally embedded ritual it falls somewhere in the neighborhood of canabalism and human sacrifice on the 'zeiteist' continuum.

[WarlordZeroOne]

What i do know is my oldest son needed to be circumsized because the forskin would not go over his bell-end at 3 years old (mmmm Big Knob lol) my youngest son never needed it done,so two different tales from my two sons. Regarding religious reasons, sorry folks Fuck that road,its a Drawback.lol

[pack3tg0st]

Male circumcision has nothing to do with hygiene... seriously... There's some research I've read where they've discovered that the religious leaders of the world are the ones who started the "hygiene" rumor...

Seriously, an open wound is a bigger "hygiene" problem than foreskin.

I can't believe people make an argument that the human body needs modifications to live a healthy life...

that's just a bogus claim made by religious leaders to rationalize the practice long long ago...

Male circumcision takes some 60% of the nerve endings that males would use to feel sexual pleasure, and cuts them off...

Accepting male circumcision as an "okay" practice, then turning around and admonishing a different culture for circumcising women is extremely hypocritical.

If our Zeitgeist says its ok for boys... and their zeitgeist says its ok for girls... than perhaps we should adjust our national morality before we start lobbing stones over in Africa's direction...

If you admonish one, while condoning the other than you are truly being intellectually dishonest.

[boycotteverything]

Male circumcision takes some 60% of the nerve endings that males would use to feel sexual pleasure, and cuts them off... And happily for women it also prevents premature ejaculation. Always something, no?

[FancyFree]

i'm not condoning circumcision for either sex.......i'm just saying u can't compare removing a female's clitoris with the practise of removing a male's foreskin. The ramifications for female circumcision greatly outweighs the ramifications of male circumcision, imo. :)

[pack3tg0st]

No, I think we can fairly compare them...

Mutilation is mutilation...

The effects of the mutilation being "lessened" for males doesn't make it any more acceptable.

[FancyFree]

fine mutilation is mutilation but honestly....how many males who are cicurmcised wish they weren't or have had any serious side effects from it??

[century]

[/quote]MEAT CURTAINS FTW!![/quote]


To me a vagina without a big bush and some soaring puntang flaps is just flat boring, and unnatural,
bland tasting :arg:

Some women in the states are just crazy to cut their genitals

there's bound to be a smutt director to need just that type of set.

[pack3tg0st]

ah yes... apologetics at its best.

I haven't heard any women complain either.

If you're circumcised at a young age, you don't ever know the difference....

nor do you know what you're missing...

Waterboarding is torture right? but its not as severe as the rack...

Does this make waterboarding okay?

Nope, torture is torture...

Mutilation is mutilation...

let them decide for themselves of they want to be mutilated when they reach the age of majority.

[boycotteverything]

i'm not condoning circumcision for either sex.......i'm just saying u can't compare removing a female's clitoris with the practise of removing a male's foreskin. The ramifications for female circumcision greatly outweighs the ramifications of male circumcision, imo. :)Of course that's undoubtedly true, Jess. But reasonable arguments will never dissuade the 'zeitgeist' gang. The Yiddish word for that excised foreskin is 'schmuck' by the way.

[Lexion]

The Yiddish word for that excised foreskin is 'schmuck' by the way.

I'm so gonna smack my mother
in law.

Pffffft,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

There's a zeitgeist gang? LOL

I was unaware lol

I hope by using Zeitgeist people don't think it has anything to do with that damn movie...

I'm talking about the sliding moral zeitgeist... or the "morality of the times" sort of speak...

[boycotteverything]

I'm talking about the sliding moral zeitgeist... or the "morality of the times" sort of speak...Zeitgeist doesn't 'slide.' It is a temporal realization- an an important Hegelian principle that always suffers from immoderate popularization.

[lala]

Kiwi was just telling me BE not been circumcisied, as there no end to the prick . . . . :lol: . . . bad kiwi :lol:

[boycotteverything]

biggg bummmmmp!

[Lexion]

This thread lived ?

YES !!!!

[boycotteverything]

gotta be one of the craziest threads of all time.


Kiwi was just telling me BE not been circumcisied, as there no end to the prick . . . . :lol: . . . bad kiwi

[Alessandra]

but why

[Lexion]

but why

Because, we are AmKon.

Bitch.

:p

[boycotteverything]

hahahahah that we are.