View Full Version : Lunar hardware pictures in the future
it's been discussed to death, but anyway...
[offsite=http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/01/2058202/Images-of-Apollo-Landing-Sites-Soon-Available:uahnc19r]The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has entered lunar orbit in perfect shape. From a height of 50 km, it will image the Moon in high resolution. The hardware left by the Apollo missions will be clearly visible. The Soviet automatic probes will also be photographed. Previous best images were made by the Japanese probe Kaguya and showed a white patch where the dust had been blown away by the blast of the LM engine.[/offsite:uahnc19r]
I suppose if the photos due show the equipment, the next round will be that they are fake images. Seems if fake photos of moon hardware are the order, NASA could have claimed the ability and shown them by now.
The never ending hoax debate will continue forever. Wonder if that is why the average person has little interest.
Cue the Lear/Zorgon tag team.
Cogburn
07-02-2009, 04:21 PM
Lear and Zorgon have the huevos to lurk, but not to post. It seems even they have little interest in an intelligent discussion. Either that or their idea of intelligent discussion is sycophantic cow-towing.
I'll go with the latter until proven otherwise.
I'm sure NASA appreciates that there will be thousands of people, and I'll be one, that are going to go over the images with a fine tooth comb.
So many careers potentially about to be laid to waste....
Delicious.
it's been discussed to death, but anyway...
[offsite=http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/01/2058202/Images-of-Apollo-Landing-Sites-Soon-Available:2umr5c1t]The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has entered lunar orbit in perfect shape. From a height of 50 km, it will image the Moon in high resolution. The hardware left by the Apollo missions will be clearly visible. The Soviet automatic probes will also be photographed. Previous best images were made by the Japanese probe Kaguya and showed a white patch where the dust had been blown away by the blast of the LM engine.[/offsite:2umr5c1t]
I suppose if the photos due show the equipment, the next round will be that they are fake images. Seems if fake photos of moon hardware are the order, NASA could have claimed the ability and shown them by now.
The never ending hoax debate will continue forever. Wonder if that is why the average person has little interest.
Cue the Lear/Zorgon tag team.
the A17 pics of the filter applied over the original colour, brown dirt, I have posted more than once, no -one says anything?......I'll ask you directly for an opinion HP, if you'd be so kind :)
and just out of curiosity, what was the last word regarding the bacteria from the retrieved camera off the moon, the panspermists got quite excited , the moon nutters ( of which Im one :arg: :roll: ) were also leaping around , pointing out the presence of an atmosphere to have made this possible, and NASA claiming contamination from the lab here on earth?........it couldnt have happened prior to launch, could it ?, as they would have died in the vacuum over the years?...so it must have happened back here on return?....that isjust sloppy house-keeping?
Cogburn
07-02-2009, 09:23 PM
Bacteria, air need not apply.
[offsite=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14690-water-bears-are-first-animal-to-survive-space-vacuum.html:6g5lvq05]Tiny invertebrates called 'water bears' can survive in the vacuum of space, a European Space Agency experiment has shown. They are the first animals known to be able to survive the harsh combination of low pressure and intense radiation found in space.
Water bears, also known as tardigrades, are known for their virtual indestructibility on Earth. The creatures can survive intense pressures, huge doses of radiation, and years of being dried out.
To further test their hardiness, Ingemar Jönsson of Sweden's Kristianstad University and colleagues launched two species of dried-up tardigrades from Kazakhstan in September 2007 aboard ESA's FOTON-M3 mission, which carried a variety of experimental payloads.
After 10 days of exposure to space, the satellite returned to Earth. The tardigrades were retrieved and rehydrated to test how they reacted to the airless conditions in space, as well as ultraviolet radiation from the Sun and charged particles from space called cosmic rays.
The vacuum itself seemed to have little effect on the creatures. But ultraviolet radiation, which can damage cellular material and DNA, did take its toll.
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In one of the two species tested, 68% of specimens that were shielded from higher-energy radiation from the Sun were revived within 30 minutes of being rehydrated. Many of these tardigrades went on to lay eggs that successfully hatched.
But only a handful of animals survived full exposure to the Sun's UV light, which is more than 1000 times stronger in space than on the Earth's surface.
Before this experiment, only lichen and bacteria were known to be able to survive exposure to the combination of vacuum and space radiation.
"No animal has survived open space before," says developmental biologist Bob Goldstein of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who was not affiliated with the study. "The finding that animals survived rehydration after 10 days in open space - and then produced viable embryos as well - is really remarkable."
This ability to survive in extreme conditions "might be important when we consider the habitability of other bodies in our solar system or beyond," says astrobiologist Gerda Horneck of the German Aerospace Center. But the results say little about how the animals might develop and reproduce in harsh environments, Horneck says.
The authors aren't sure what causes the animals to be as resistant as they are to the effects of ultraviolet radiation. They speculate their hardiness might stem from the same adaptations that enable tardigrades to bounce back from being dried out.
Journal reference: Current Biology, vol 18, p R729 (http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(08)00805-1)[/offsite:6g5lvq05]
so why is everyone so adamant that life ( albeit in this case, its life cog , but not as we know in comparisom to fully fledged sentient beings) is such a rare occurrance in the universe?...its been known for a long time now that the temp range where life will flourish is far broarder than has always been believed, the critters that live in the "black smokers" as an example
GeneralStriker
07-02-2009, 10:42 PM
so why is everyone so adamant that life... is such a rare occurrence in the universe?Who says that? I think most people think life is everywhere in the universe. I know you and I do anyway.
Might depend on the definition of life. What we call it could be an effect of the local area of the universe. Elsewhere there might be other phenomena that are just as amazing (self aware, etc) but exists in a form that we would not consider life by our terms. I think i have found my ticket to fortune.
GeneralStriker
07-02-2009, 10:52 PM
sure. why not..
so why is everyone so adamant that life... is such a rare occurrence in the universe?Who says that? I think most people think life is everywhere in the universe. I know you and I do anyway.
HP
Might depend on the definition of life. What we call it could be an effect of the local area of the universe. Elsewhere there might be other phenomena that are just as amazing (self aware, etc) but exists in a form that we would not consider life by our terms. I think i have found my ticket to fortune.
totally agree, which should make the topic a number 1 accepted form of study, seems to get blurred with the whole alien, Moonhoax dramas, and considered a "fringe" area, the mainstream teachings still point out the inhospitable conditions prevailing everywhere outside our bubble as not conducive to life, that is probably true as regards life-forms such as us, but then again we are particular to our enviroment, with the inferrance that we are the pinnacle of "intelligent" life , (put that at the feet of religeous dogma) there is a collective "block" in the minds of men as to the level's of acceptance we can attain, dis-regarding the good folk around here of course, who are definately not sheep. You are correct BE that the study of microbes and the such is alive and well, and IS a study of "life else-where" beyond our earthly bounds, but it confines itself to the microscopic level, what Im referring to is the point that if microbes are accepted as being able to exist, isnt it fair to assume that there are places in the universe where the "microbes" surely must have evolved to higher forms? or else the assumption can only be that everything must evolve at the same time and rate?
For all we know these other entities exist along side us on Earth and spend a good part of the daily cycle laughing at us.
For all we know these other entities exist along side us on Earth and spend a good part of the daily cycle laughing at us.
unless they were Vulcans HP.......... :| then they would spend the day cocking their eye-brows :wink:
GeneralStriker
07-03-2009, 12:00 AM
Who can say if all life evolves at a constant rate? But given the age and the vastness of the universe it seems absurd to me that life wouldn't exist in all stages of evolution- you know, Kaku's Types. I think that the evidence of ET visitation on our own stupid planet proves the point. I don't listen to the Klassic deniers anymore. I consider them to be beneath contempt.
Who can say if all life evolves at a constant rate? But given the age and the vastness of the universe it seems absurd to me that life wouldn't exist in all stages of evolution- you know, Kaku's Types. I think that the evidence of ET visitation on our own stupid planet proves the point. I don't listen to the Klassic deniers anymore. I consider them to be beneath contempt.
you tell em General :alien:
GeneralStriker
07-03-2009, 12:08 AM
I also consider it probable that trillions of micro civilizations thrive in the molecules of every liter of dirt beneath out feet. Life is ubiquitous. It's quite possible that the life on earth has been, and is currently being, studied by thousands of ET civilizations.
GeneralStriker
07-03-2009, 12:09 AM
And don't call me Shirley.
And don't call me Shirley.
arent you asupposed to be in Roswell?, or is today still tomorrow for you?....just had an image of chii, waiting on the side of the road, looking to strangle the next moyle to past by :whip:
GeneralStriker
07-03-2009, 12:26 AM
Hahahahah. Yeah- Well my family had a shit fit that I wasn't gonna be here for the Independence Day celebration. I was pecked by a dozen hens. My ex-wife said- "Roswell? It's the 4th of July for crissakes! Who the hell do you think you are, the governor of S. Carolina??" So here I am.
I was pecked by a dozen hens
known to start wars, end wars, drive policy, and influence the male decision making processes on all levels....
pertaining in particular to all and any suggested road-trips involving SWF's.......go fiqure :?