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skunk
06-27-2009, 05:25 PM
Mars may hide secret water table (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227145.000)

Well this could be good news for those of us who live long enough to see the human race leave this planet (for better or worse).


[offsite:39znghj8]THE Red Planet could have a water table hidden underground, despite satellite data suggesting otherwise.

Today the small amount of water detected on the planet is locked in the polar ice caps, but recently discovered geological features suggest liquid water once flowed on its surface (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126883.600-mystery-stone-circles-may-point-to-water-on-mars.html). This could now be hiding beneath the rocky crust.

The European Space Agency's Mars Express satellite has used ground-penetrating radar in some areas to look for a water table but found no evidence for one, despite research that concluded any water would be found within 9 kilometres of the surface - well within the reach of the probe's instruments.

Planetary scientist Bill Farrell of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and colleagues will argue in Geophysical Research Letters that we shouldn't give up the search just yet, however. The satellite's radar signal should bounce back from shiny surfaces like water. But the team calculates that if the layer of rock and icy soil above the water table is particularly conductive, it could be absorbing enough energy from the radar to obscure a telltale signal.

Farrell says the work will be useful for missions to other icy bodies too: "We don't want future geologists to look at their radar data and say no reflectance means no aquifer."[/offsite:39znghj8]

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-27-2009, 11:55 PM
Interesting, no doubt about that...

But why go looking in a desert for water?

Let us proceed on to the next off-ramp at Jupiter and check out Europa (http://www.nineplanets.org/europa.html) for liquid fucking water.

The odds for life - living, breathing, complex water based lifeforms - as well, are far better on Europa (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17078-could-flowers-bloom-on-icy-moon-europa.html) than Mars.

After all Mars is, by all appearances, a dead planet.

Any complex lifeforms that may have once existed on the surface there are probably billions of years dead and gone.

Might be good for dune buggies, though...

Cogburn
06-28-2009, 12:08 AM
Establishing various way stations as "shuttle points" between the inner and outer solar systems drastically reduces the cost and risk of travel to those reaches.

Discovering water, or the ability to synthesize water, is the first step to deciding where those way stations will be placed.

You have to crawl before you can walk.

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-28-2009, 12:28 AM
Granted, the logical progression would be establishing base(s) first at the lunar, then Martian poles - where the water is - and then proceeding on to the muthaload of Europa.

If we're sending people.

But if we're just looking for people, i.e. complex lifeforms, robots will do.

Damn that faulty antenna (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14820002.000-galileo-glitch.html) on Galileo, we might already have a better idea of what Europa's all about.

We'll just have to wait until 2026 (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16626-europa-trumps-titan-in-bid-for-outer-planet-mission.html), unless somebody puts up some more bank to move things along.

Snow Crash
06-28-2009, 02:25 AM
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But yes, Cog is right. Run before walk. Shuttle before Starship Enterprise. We learn more and lose less by proceeding with caution.

Two weeks!

WarlordZeroOne
06-28-2009, 02:37 AM
Just a drop in the OCEAN. Mars is DEAD,i know don't like Mars Bars.lol

Snow Crash
06-28-2009, 02:42 AM
Just a drop in the OCEAN. Mars is DEAD,i know don't like Mars Bars.lol

Try Milky Way or, if thats a little too embarrassing to be seen buying, Galaxy

WarlordZeroOne
06-28-2009, 02:45 AM
Now thats what i call a GOOD sense of Humour. Nice one Snow.me i now like the Planets.lol you can't beat that one. or can u.lol

KIWI
06-28-2009, 03:10 AM
Granted, the logical progression would be establishing base(s) first at the lunar, then Martian poles - where the water is - and then proceeding on to the muthaload of Europa.


logical to everyone but NASA :twisted:


Damn that faulty antenna on Galileo, we might already have a better idea of what Europa's all about.


yeah, ...........faulty
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'll just have to wait until 2026, unless somebody puts up some more bank to move things along.

make sure never to let the carrot leave the donkeys sight..... why is there a cash shortage?...........why not combine the vast resources of India China Japan,yah,..thats them..NASA's new "space-buddies" let alone the ESA,. and let the US supply the hardware and know how?.......cash shortage ?....where?

KIWI
06-28-2009, 03:38 AM
NATIONAL SUICIDE--Military aid to the Soviet Union
Anthony C Sutton
Chapter 11--Space , Missiles, and Military Instrumentation
Sub-heading--US-Soviet "cooperation" in Space......page 199


...on December 20 , 1963, President Kennedy proposed a joint exploration of the moon to the USSR, an offer later repeated by president Johnson...

it must be an historical thing, no-one wants to play in space with the USA?

WarlordZeroOne
06-29-2009, 04:52 AM
That KIWI just shows you how thick the commy's are,refusing invitations so many times, i bet if the U.S.A. asked the commy's would you like our STARWARS, details to make your own,would they refuse that.lol