No Revolution in IRAN.

[WarlordZeroOne]

The MULLAH'S have won for now and Dinnerjad has got his own way,but there is lots of Blood to come via the Iranian Nuclear problem, Israel will not tolerate much longer this situation with no action,and Iran has said yesterday its no good talking with the U.S.A. until they have an apology,which they will never get. (an APOLOGY for WHAT the dumd Fucks).

[pack3tg0st]

They probably want us to apologize for running the CIA operation in their country...

The Nuclear program isn't that big of a deal at the moment... they are still years away from a bomb... in the grand scheme of things, their nuclear program is in its toddler years...

Iran is harmless... but, the propaganda has us believing that its an evil nation.

As far as "no revolution"... that remains to be seen...

Don't underestimate the power of the CIA...

[WarlordZeroOne]

You are right pack, But it will not stop the Israelies from Bombing the sites this year,the talking is over for IRAN and the U.S. and thats all Israel has been waiting for,as for the hype well we get that in just about every situation, but i say again Israel will Bomb the Nuke sites in Iran.

[pack3tg0st]

If Israel bombs Iran... They're on their own...

I doubt there is a country in the world that will back them if they are the agressors...

Especially since the United States is the only country stupid enough to back israel at every turn...

[skunk]

That's why they need a false flag attack, similar to 9/11. If they can prove Iran or some other country they don't like attacked them, (whether its true or not) shit is going to hit the fan.

Ask the Afghanis and Pakistanis and Iraqis how well they're doing these days.

[Alessandra]

Just because the MSM says there is no revolution, does not mean there isn't one. You have to look under the surface.

[boycotteverything]

Just because the MSM says there is no revolution, does not mean there isn't one. You have to look under the surface.Astute! Iran and the entire Middle East is changed by this people's up-rise. Chii nailed it. The human spirit will not be foreclosed. This is not a CIA operation. It is a cry for freedom. And ultimately it will not be denied. This is an authentic Revolution.

[Cogburn]

Just because the MSM says there is no revolution, does not mean there isn't one. You have to look under the surface.Astute! Iran and the entire Middle East is changed by this people's up-rise. Chii nailed it. The human spirit will not be foreclosed. This is not a CIA operation. It is a cry for freedom. And ultimately it will not be denied. This is an authentic Revolution.
LOL Back to sleep, sheep.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Nice one Cog,its good to see there is still a glimmer of hope in whats really happening in Iran.

[boycotteverything]

LOL Back to sleep, sheep.la revolution c'est mort. vive la revolution. same old douchebag here, though. plus ça change, plus c'est la même.

[pack3tg0st]

how can it be a revolution when they aren't trying to overthrow the ruler...

They're just trying to get the Ayatollah to change his "socks".

[Cogburn]

how can it be a revolution when they aren't trying to overthrow the ruler...

They're just trying to get the Ayatollah to change his "socks".
I think the next time, if ever, I am motivated to protest I'm going to make signs in Arabic for the Arabic TV audience instead of making them in the language native to my country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01426/iran_1426848c.jpg
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.nationalpost.com/news/1706300.bin?size=404x272
http://blogs.indiewire.com/images/blogs/eug/archives/090616_iranblog.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/iranprotestinenglish.jpg
http://electionupdates.caltech.edu/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/47511205.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P4ChpGb4CUg/Ruqpxf9LEKI/AAAAAAAAABc/_KlAvms7cs0/s400/homos-are-gay.jpg

[Alessandra]

Captain obvious strikes again!

[boycotteverything]

how can it be a revolution when they aren't trying to overthrow the ruler...

They're just trying to get the Ayatollah to change his "socks".I see it as a jihad in the highest expression of that principle. It may not be a revolution in the western sense- although there are certainly elements of that. What they're about is freedom from the perverse Islam of the mullahs. They're fed up with oppressive medievalism. It sorta reminds me of the Ataturk reformation in Turkey. Ataturk proved that there is no necessary contradiction between democracy and Islam. They may not have an Ataturk but they've laid claim to our Barack Obama.

[Cogburn]

how can it be a revolution when they aren't trying to overthrow the ruler...

They're just trying to get the Ayatollah to change his "socks".I see it as a jihad in the highest expression of that principle. It may not be a revolution in the western sense- although there are certainly elements of that. What they're about is freedom from the perverse Islam of the mullahs. They're fed up with oppressive medievalism. It sorta reminds me of the Ataturk reformation in Turkey. Ataturk proved that there is no necessary contradiction between democracy and Islam.
LOLWUT?

You have absolutely no clue about Iranian politics, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran

Learn something. Now tell me who they should be protesting against?

Mullahs in mosques or the Guardian Council/Supreme Leader?

Ahmadinejad is no more the leader of his country than the Queen of England is still able to make law.

Oh yeah... and let's not forget the Presidential alternative... Mousavi, the Butcher of Beruit.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2008/02/ap_lebanondead_080213/080113_bombing_800.JPG

[boycotteverything]

I do happen to know a little bit about Iranian politics- and also the spirit of the Iranian people. The protest is against the Supreme Leader. The second most powerful man in Iran happens to be Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani- not the president. The president of Iran is of no account but in this case is the choice of the Guardians. I expect that there will eventually be a showdown between Rafsanjani and the SL and Rafsanjani will prevail. Iran's government will look a lot more like Turkey's in a short time.

[Cogburn]

Secular yet terrified of the military?

Will it be illegal to insult the Revolution?

Fantastic!

I haven't seen an anti-Revolution protest, have you?

That's not rhetorical. That's an honest question. I haven't seen it so I have no reason to believe the situation is anything other than manufactured.

Iranians know how their government works.

[boycotteverything]

Ahmadinejad's people held counter demonstrations in Tehran at the beginning of this thing. They were much smaller. (It sort of reminded me of thye counter demonstrations during the march on the Pentagon in '67.) His supporters are simply not as committed as the anti-cleric demonstrators. They were hugely outnumbered. That's why in the end they brought out the guns, the razors and the axes.

[Cogburn]

Ahmadinejad's people held counter demonstrations in Tehran at the beginning of this thing. They were much smaller. (It sort of reminded me of thye counter demonstrations during the march on the Pentagon in '67.) His supporters are simply not as committed as the anti-cleric demonstrators. They were hugely outnumbered. That's why in the end they brought out the guns, the razors and the axes.
Press TV, the official organ of the state, played video of enormous pro-Revolution crowds. Incumbents have full use of the organs of state to maintain his position, per Iranian law as reported by the BBC World Service.

... and the Basij aren't "his" people, their Revolutionary militia. They are armed by the state and told to wait until called.

It doesn't matter if each one of those people at the pro-Revolution rallies were Basij or paid to be there, the numbers were well into the thousands.

What sources do you use to formulate your position? Gut instinct? Aliens from Zeta Reticuli?

[boycotteverything]

OK. You win. Ahmadinejad and the Supreme leader are wonderful guys, deserving of power, and the people in the streets are all employees of the CIA. Thanks for the info.

[Cogburn]

Sometimes real life is more complex and subtle than can be contained in platitudes.

Sorry that this one seems to be beyond you.

[boycotteverything]

Are Ahmadinejad's days numbered?

From The Guardian:


Battle for Iran shifts from the streets to the heart of power

Ayatollah Khamenei's support for President Ahmadinejad has led both moderates and hard-liners to start plotting against him

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/28/iran-mahmoud-ahmadinejad

It's now clear that the second most powerful politician in Iran, Hashemi Rafsanjani, along with Mohamed Khatami, is actively opposing Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. The ruling clique may be permanently damaged by the uprising. While the Basiij and RG continue the Savak-like purge and persecutions of those who participated in the Tehran demonstrations the struggle for Iran's future continues at the highest level of rule. Will the movie run backwards? Is Bani Sadr far behind?

[pack3tg0st]

Here's a news story you might be interested in BE...

Its regarding Rafsanjani

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/27/iran.wheres.rafsanjani/index.html

[boycotteverything]

Rafsanjani's no savior but he's essentially a realist and there's no love lost between him and Khamenei- as evidenced by the brief detention of his daughter by the regime and the manner in which he was marginalized by Ahmadinejad during the campaign. The Iranian clerics are by and large self-serving kleprocrats. No Mahdis among them. What we're watching is realpolitik- the art of the possible. I think it would be a mistake to assume that young people at the heart of the uprising are revolutionists as opposed to reformers. They just wanna get the mullahs off their asses so they can live in a modicum of freedom. On the other hand, to the reactionary ruling clique in Iran that desire is seen as revolutionary and subversive. The ruling mullahs are little more than a coercive mafia posing as religionists. Among them is a more tolerant faction led by Mohamed Khatami and Hashemi Rafsanjani. That faction will eventually prevail. This ain't the stuff of Lenin we're looking at here. More like Kerensky. But it's a step in the right direction.

[theeindiee]

Yes... why DO foreign protesters feel the need to write their protest signs in Arabic AND English translation?

Oh oops I forgot that half of Iran is fluent in English, and we're just so cool in the West that they wanna be as cool as us while protesting... because our elegant letters have more Seinfeld-esque wit than their chicken scratch. They LOVE Seinfeld and Diet Coke, and they want more of it. They also want the freedom to choose between 200 different brands of pomegranate juice with 50 different sub-flavors each, coming in either 12 oz, 24 oz, or 40z containers... so you can be FREE to CHOOSE how much degraded processed junkfood you inhale through your corporate mouthpiece.

Why can't you SEE, Cogburn?!?! They want FREEDOM! Rainbow flavored novelty until they're stomaches hurt! Most importantly... they want to ignore where their shit goes after it is flushed. Give them the responsibility to be irresponsible, like the greatest U S and of Aye!

[GeneralStriker]

Rainbow flavored novelty until they're stomaches hurt!yup. they like the same stuff you like.

[theeindiee]

It's amazing how similar people are... afraid of the light, afraid of the dark, huddling somewhere in the middle, dumbfounded into stagnation because of their thoughts on the matter.

Let us be victims to the whims of destiny. Let our actions flow with haphazard ignorance. Let us fly blind into the unknown, guided by the past and propelled by the future, landing incessantly now. Let the day die hard, for the night is long... but without night, we could not sleep. Without the night, we could not dream of day. Without Pomegranate Juice coming from 100 different brands in 100 different flavors each.... the children of Iran might never realize that maybe that much variety within the spectrum of the existence of the pomegranate is a bit too redundant.

Lucifer brings Pomegranate Hell to the world... in order that the world may know and recieve Pomegranate Heaven.

Being blinded by Pomegranate Heaven, the world will eventually seek a happy medium. A "light" in between two Pomegranate flavored "Darknesses". Possibly, a world in which only five or 6 brands of pomegranate juice with perhaps 3 varying flavors each would suffice... but maybe I'm being too optimistic.

Even within every glass of pomegranate juice exists an epic struggle between the forces of existence.

Do not take Pomegranate juice lightly. It may be ridiculous enough to save the entire universe.

Laugh out LOUD! The truth is funny.