They're doing it again...

[pack3tg0st]

Yet another example of the MSM fucking with us...

This time, about Iran..

We've all seen the news stories... The ones about Iran that slightly HINT at revolution... well, as of today, they're not so much hinting anymore as blatently saying it...

We've seen how the our Government doesn't officially want to support the Resistance... so, we see the formation of public opinions... They cover Iranian news like its completely 110% false... and they cover iranian resistance version of events extensively... (An objective observer would note the lack of both sides of the story, thus, Bias).

Now, they're aiming to Cause revolution in Iran... By influencing public opinion... they get the people on twitter and the likes to send messages of support to the "protesters". They are breeding this public sentiment very overtly... and sometimes, more subtly.

[offsite=http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/24/neda.iconic.images/index.html:2ifpgmix]A 14-year-old girl stoops and screams above the body of a Kent State University student killed in 1970 by an Ohio National Guardsman.

A police chief aims his gun at a Vietcong prisoner's head in 1968, just before executing him on a Saigon, Vietnam, street.

And in 1989, an unarmed man in Beijing, China, stands defiantly in front of a column of tanks as they rolled into Tiananmen Square.

These are iconic images, the kinds of shots that changed the way people viewed history as it unfolded. They put human faces on conflicts and became rallying cries for movements, inspiring those who demanded change.

But while these photographs -- chronicling a single, silent moment -- were taken by seasoned photographers, two of whom won Pulitzer Prizes, this time amateur cell phone video is grabbing worldwide attention. It captures the death of a young woman named Neda Agha-Soltan, galvanizing protesters in Iran and shaping perceptions of a land and people few Westerners know.[/offsite:2ifpgmix]

They are linking all these events together with that news story...

Not only that, but they are doing their damndest to make an "icon" of the movement...

Its a common tactic... to influence a greater amount of people, you have to come up with something... a slogan, an image, an icon... anything, that the people can rally around... Pretty much Manipulation/Propaganda 101...

We're going to see revolution in Iran... and the United States will get sucked in somehow or other...

The question is this:

Which big businesses benefit from U.S. meddling in Iranian politics?

[pack3tg0st]

The video is available online for those who wish to view it... it is pretty disturbing I guess...

But it is also important to note... it shows no gunshot... you don't see who shot her... in fact, it appears that only other protesters are standing around...

who knows...

Objectively, the video is inconclusive as to if its propaganda or not...

I can post it under spoiler if anyone wants... or PM it to you guys, or you can google it... warning though... its disturbing.

[Cogburn]

The only folks who have guns in Iran are the state security services.

If the people had guns this would have been over last week.

[Lexion]

Post it.

[Alessandra]

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[Alessandra]

she was shot by a sniper.

[Lexion]

Watch the blood run from
her nose and mouth.

Clean shot.

I hate seeing that vid.

Sorry,
Lex

[Alessandra]

the bystanders next to her were trying to keep her wound compressed (the chest). In the beginning you see blood near her feet/legs. Straight shot, right to the heart. Jesus Christ.

[pack3tg0st]

I'm not downplaying the tragedy of the death...

I'm just pointing out the propaganda angle they're taking with it...

So far, all signs point towards not Iranian forces doing this, but it seems more like the Former Shah...

Propaganda at its finest... and its all over the MSM here in the U.S.... They're manufacturing public sentiment... the public will encourage the people of Iran to revolt...

[Cogburn]

You do know that her name is not Neda, right?

Dig deep. The death was real. Everything else around it has been a fabrication of the CNN international news desk.

[Lexion]

Pack,

.....fuck it.

Never mind.

We agree on some angles.

Maybe I've just outgrown
what I've learned.

Still sad,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

I thought they knew for sure her name was Neda... there was just a mix up on the last name...

Whatcha got Cog... spill it!

[Cogburn]

http://www.inteldaily.com/news/126/ARTICLE/11042/2009-06-19.html

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There's news... and then there's what's really going on.

[pack3tg0st]

LOL yah, I've been saying we'll find out about the CIA involvement in a decade or so... But this does scream of U.S. influence...

nothing on that Neda chick? I haven't been able to dig anything up...

Although, I do find it rather odd that someone had a camera on her in less than 2 seconds after she was shot... Someone was expecting it IMHO.

Random:


Ahmadinejad, on his third visit to Venezuela, said that imperialism "has no other option but to start respecting the people's choice, or it is doomed."

QFT

[Cogburn]

Her name in Farsi "??? ????? ??? ?????", in pinglish "Neda Salehi Agha Soltan", transliterated means in English "Descendant of Saleh Who Leads The Calling". That transliteration was provided by an Iranian ex-pat that works in my office.

Identity unverified.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528133,00.html

"May or may not be her real name"
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/06/in-.html

"The facts, as we know them..."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6562649.ece

From what fount has all this Neda-mania sprung?

June 20, 2009 - CNN offers the first report on "Neda" during a live broadcast update. The video below summarizes the initial reporting.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/06/21/on.her.name.was.neda.cnn

Kindly note this is the only reported of casualty due to sniper fire.
Would that be an Iranian police sniper or a CIA sniper? Basij don't have snipers. They are rabble militia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij)

Check out the person who posted the original YouTube video... Look at the videos posted, watched and favorited. Smell a sock?
http://www.youtube.com/user/FEELTHELIGHT

"Feel the light" is a term usually used in Judaism to describe the feeling of being in the presence of God.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS322US322&q="feel+the+light"+judaism&aq=f

Is the original poster of the video an Iranian Jew?

Yes... It's the Huffington Post, but it gets such a huge readership that bullshit posted there doesn't last long before being retracted.
Posted February 27, 2009
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-thomson/the-mossads-plan-to-stop_b_170581.html

I smell bullshit.

[pack3tg0st]

Oh I'm with you... this wreaks of bullshit...

Nice linkage to Jews... That ties in with my other story... when they published bullshit about Palestinian troops being on the ground in Iran...

Why does Israel want us involved so badly?

[pack3tg0st]

Just had a realization I think...

Israel doesn't want us involved...

Israel is a mercenary state for the U.S....

WE want to be involved... but we don't want to make it look like we are... just like the 2007 CIA vid u posted....

[Ducky]

Fuckin hell... :cry:

Just saw the vid.

Can't think of what to say right now...............

[pack3tg0st]

easy ducky...

Moment of silence for the loss of life you just watched...

then get pissed they used her as a political pawn to incite revolution in Iran...

[Cogburn]

Which of these faces were computer generated?

http://www.your3dsource.com/images/facepic1.jpeghttp://www.your3dsource.com/images/facepic2.jpeghttp://www.your3dsource.com/images/facepic3.jpeghttp://www.your3dsource.com/images/facepic4.jpeghttp://www.your3dsource.com/images/facepic5.jpeghttp://www.your3dsource.com/images/facepic6.jpeg
[spoiler:bs7stemv]All of them.
http://www.your3dsource.com/real-or-computer-generated-face.html[/spoiler:bs7stemv]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Neda_Sultan.jpg
[offsite=http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Neda-Agha-Sultan-video-that-touched-the-world:bs7stemv]This May 2009 photo provided by Caspian Makan, 37-year-old photojournalist in Tehran who identified himself as Neda Agha Soltan's boyfriend purports to show Neda Agha Soltan. The death of the woman identified as Neda Agha Soltan was captured on amateur videos and spread around the world in less than 48 hours on YouTube, Facebook, blogs and Twitter. (AP Photo/Courtesy Caspian Makan)[/offsite:bs7stemv]

[pack3tg0st]

Now look what comes out of the woodwork... more pictures!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/23/2009-06-23__neda_aghasoltan.html

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/06/24/alg_neda.jpg

[Cogburn]

Uhhhh....

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/06/24/alg_neda.jpghttp://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Neda_Sultan.jpg

Undated or not... That's not the same person.

[Eyeforalie]

Undated or not... That's not the same person.

Agreed.

[Eyeforalie]

To tell ya the truth, I think the picture in the right in your post Cog isnt real. The lighting for an outdoor photo is all wrong.

[pack3tg0st]

Little fudging with a photo editor... and it looks like you're right eye...

Here is a picture from a frame on that vid... Resized, cropped, darkened colors to try and see facial features...

Also a film negative... (meh, sometimes it helps me look at stuff)
[attachment=1:h6m7g6of]wtf.jpg[/attachment:h6m7g6of] [attachment=0:h6m7g6of]wtf2.jpg[/attachment:h6m7g6of]

[pack3tg0st]

IMHO Those eyes aren't scared...

Those eyes are looking for the camera...

[pack3tg0st]

here's a new twist...

there was a second camera?

Ignore the propaganda messages... trust me, you'll see em...

[spoiler:3urldmwz]z]7AZ1Pd829akz][/spoiler:3urldmwz]

[cartoon]

the shots came from the grassy knoll.

[Cogburn]

IMHO Those eyes aren't scared...

Those eyes are looking for the camera...
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa....

That's the result of a severe trauma... Those eyes are simply rolling around in their sockets.

[WarlordZeroOne]

We're going to see revolution in Iran... and the United States will get sucked in somehow or other...

I don't think we will see a revolution YET it will take place but i think it will be within 10 years, if they tried to revolt at this time the Iranian authoroties would QUASH it without a second thought,the reason behind my thinking is that 75% roughly are under 30 years old and this population want more freedom,they see the west and like it,look at the mobile phones,internet,all mod cons,the old Mullahs do not like it,finally the U.S.A. and the U.K. are already being blamed for fueling this unrest.

[pack3tg0st]

She's not dead yet Cog... She's bleeding out... (which meant it was probably painless, according to my wife who works in a trauma center).

There's a deliberate attempt to move the leg on the second video... no twitching yet...

In other words... she doesn't know what happened... she knows she's laying on the ground... she would still be conscious for several seconds...

Then she bleeds out (internally mostly, judging by the mouth/nose blood).

I'm not suggesting some sort of sick suicide martyrdom or anything.... but I am still inclined to believe that she KNOWS why she's being recorded... a few seconds before she passes, the camera moves, and her eyes go from the camera guy to her apparent father (according to "news reports" it was her father that was with her...)

As far as blunt force trauma... I doubt there was all that much... the splatter patterns on the pavement lead me to believe there was an exit wound... thus, not much force was actually transfered to the body...

(Sorry to sound so cold on all this... but analysis isn't always pretty or humane... It is sad that she passed... But, I do think that she specifically was chosen for some reason... maybe she pissed someone off or something... but I still can't shake the feeling that even if she didn't know she was going to be killed... she knew why and whom as it was happening...)

[pack3tg0st]

It better happen soon Warlord lol

Or else its billions spent on a covert CIA operation that started several years ago...

If it doesn't succeed... Iran will uncover and expose the CIA bullshit...

[Eyeforalie]

[offsite:3s93l50c]3:25 pm:Lots of reports of heavy gunfire in Baharestan. it IS a massacre REVOLUTION HAS STARTED IN IRAN

Iran Baharestan situation is too bad , police shoot ,people sent to the south of Sq.

Lots of reports of heavy gunfire and clashes in Baharestan. One guy is calling it a massacre.

I see many ppl with broken arms/legs/heads - blood everywhere - pepper gas like war[/offsite:3s93l50c]

Reports of Massacre...Revolution in Iran... (http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/06/24/reports-of-massacrerevolution-in-iran.aspx)

Make of it what you will. Link is dead.

[offsite:3s93l50c]Another Iranian who has been reliable in the past posts on Facebook, "In Baharestan we saw militia with axe choping ppl like meat - blood everywhere - like butcher . . . Fighting in Vanak Sq, Tajrish sq, Azadi Sq - now . ."[/offsite:3s93l50c]

[WarlordZeroOne]

pack it will go the distance, Israel will bomb Iranian Nuclear power plants,the so called revolt will fail,the U.S.A.will give Israel the go ahead,the Revolt was badly timed, The Election rigged Dinnerjacket back in office,a lot more Iranians will be killed,just watch this space.

[Cogburn]

I didn't mean to infer that she was dead at that moment, quite the opposite.

Dead people don't bleed and she begins bleeding profusely after her eyes had changed position and were closed.

When you're knocked out you don't always close your eyes. I think the trauma of the impact might have knocked her cold.

It just looked like the unfocused, lazy eyes of a fighter that just got his bell rung.

Definitely didn't strike me like a conscious action... but none the less I think we're arguing too fine a point given the evidence available.

If we were to make a YouTube presentation of the material I'd vote not to include it. It's too much of a grey area to be mentioned and better left for the viewer to ponder on their own.

Leave those kinds of things out and you look less like a wacko and more like someone highlighting oddities. :)

[pack3tg0st]

LOL but cog...

I'm not a wacko...

I'm a CT minded overly paranoid wacko...

fine lines ya know ;-) hehe

[Bitchkoma]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Neda_Sultan.jpg

She kinda looks like Catherine Bell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004738/). She is Iranian. Incidentally there are many people in Hollywood who are Iranian exiles who left after the earlier revolution.

[Cogburn]

!!! ATTENTION MOTHERBITCHES !!! IRAN READS AMKON !!!

[offsite=http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/25/iran.ambassador/:155g0nsi]Iranian envoy: CIA involved in Neda's shooting?

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (CNN) -- The United States may have been behind the killing of Neda Agha-Soltan, the 26-year-old Iranian woman whose fatal videotaped shooting Saturday made her a symbol of opposition to the June 12 presidential election results, the country's ambassador to Mexico said Thursday.

"This death of Neda is very suspicious," Ambassador Mohammad Hassan Ghadiri said. "My question is, how is it that this Miss Neda is shot from behind, got shot in front of several cameras, and is shot in an area where no significant demonstration was behind held?"

He suggested that the CIA or another intelligence service may have been responsible.

"Well, if the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the government elements, then choosing women is an appropriate choice, because the death of a woman draws more sympathy," Ghadiri said.

In response, CIA spokesman George Little said, "Any suggestion that the CIA was responsible for the death of this young woman is wrong, absurd and offensive."

Though the video appeared to show that she had been shot in the chest, Ghadiri said that the bullet was found in her head and that it was not of a type used in Iran.

"These are the methods that terrorists, the CIA and spy agencies employ," he said. "Naturally, they would like to see blood spilled in these demonstrations, so that they can use it against the Islamic Republic of Iran. This is of the common methods that the CIA employs in various countries."

But, he added, "I am not saying that now the CIA has done this. There are different groups. It could be the [work of another] intelligence service; it could be the CIA; it could be the terrorists. Anyway, there are people who employ these types of methods."

Asked about his government's imposition of restrictions on reporting by international journalists, Ghadiri blamed the reporters themselves.

"Some of the reporters and mass media do not reflect the truth," he said.

For example, he said, international news organizations have lavished coverage on demonstrations by supporters of Mir Hossein Moussavi, whom the government has said lost to the incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by a landslide.

But those same news organizations have not shown "many, many demonstrations in favor of the winner," he said.

Further, he said, members of the international news media have failed to report on people setting banks and buses afire or attacking other people. "The only things they show are the reactions of the police," he said.

Because of restrictions on reporting in Iran, CNN has been unable to confirm many of the reports and claims relating to protests.

Ghadiri said it is only fair that security forces protect the lives and property of the Iranian people.

"If in America supporters of Mr. McCain had gotten out on the street and tried to burn the banks during the last election, do you think the police would just sit idly by and be a spectator?" he asked, referring to the GOP presidential candidate who lost the presidential vote in November to Barack Obama.

Ghadiri called on backers of Moussavi to "accept the majority's victory."

Ahmadinejad's overwhelming victory was no surprise, Ghadiri said, noting that a poll published in the United States three weeks before the June 12 elections showed Ahmadinejad with a commanding lead. "Why don't you show that?" he asked.

Ghadiri also addressed questions about the rapid reporting of the election results, which the opposition has cited as evidence that the ballots were not properly counted.

"It wasn't said that only four people counted the 40 million votes," he said. "There were tens of thousands of people in Iran who counted these votes. They declared that this is very simple."[/offsite:155g0nsi]

[pack3tg0st]

we rule...

IM inbound cog lol

[Cogburn]

I think it's all bullshit and Iran is trying to use the MI6 infowar to continue to foster anti-Western sentiment in the Middle East.

Iran took MI6's "Neda" fairy tale and is using it against them.

Brilliant.

[pack3tg0st]

well, we also have to take into account that the iranians might be telling the truth...

just because they're Iran, doesn't mean they lie 100% of the time...

and a good lie contains elements of the truth...

[Cogburn]

Arresting embassy staff without proof is completely normal and not a cause for an international incident. It's something countries would do on a whim and without careful consideraiton.

Nothing to see here.... Move along.

[offsite=http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/28/iran.britain.arrests/index.html:3d5ysk5s]Britain blasts arrest of embassy staffers in Iran
June 28, 2009 -- Updated 1312 GMT (2112 HKT)

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- The arrest of local staff members at the British Embassy in Iran is "harassment and intimidation of a kind which is quite unacceptable," British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said Sunday.

Iranian students protest outside the British embassy in Tehran on June 23.

"About nine" staffers have been affected, he said, adding that some had already been released.

"We have protested in strong terms directly to the Iranian authorities about the arrests that took place yesterday," but there has been no response, Miliband said.

Iran's government-backed Press TV said earlier on Sunday that eight local British embassy staffers had been seized for their role in the unrest following the disputed presidential elections on June 12.

Last week, Tehran expelled two British diplomats. London responded by booting out two Iranian envoys.

Iran then recalled its ambassador to Britain, saying it would reconsider its diplomatic ties with the United Kingdom.

Withdrawing an ambassador is a very serious gesture in diplomatic circles.

The Iranian government has long accused other countries, especially Britain, of "meddling" in its affairs, but has offered no proof any outside forces have been involved in the unrest since the election.

On Wednesday, Iranian authorities said they had arrested several foreign nationals, some with British passports, for allegedly helping foment the disturbances.

Miliband rejected the allegation on Sunday.

"The idea that the British embassy is somehow behind the demonstrations and protests that have been taking place in Tehran in recent weeks is wholly without foundation," he said.

Meanwhile, the Iranian government will allow a demonstration at Tehran's Ghoba mosque Sunday, CNN has confirmed.

The gathering is officially meant to honor Mohammad Beheshti, a hero of the 1979 Islamic Revolution who was killed in a bombing on this date in 1981.[/offsite:3d5ysk5s]