Video: This Is What A Police State Looks Like

[Snow Crash]

This is an old vid that I was recently reminded of during a conversation with Chi. Unfortunately, it had vanished from the site I had originally seen it on, but it seems some nefarious, freedom hating, liberal, stealthmuslim, Anti American, unconstitutional, anarchist homegrown terrorist hippie type has put it on Yoochoob, and with what's been going on in Iran lately, the question was raised as to why we in the West don't hit the streets so hardcore when the PTB use their spiteful little minions to kick the shit out of us for speaking up?

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Media obviously plays a major part in ensuring the peoples of western nations dont hit the streets en masse when they should. But are we so fractured as a scoiety in the West that we have lost our ability to work together to better our society? Have many of us have lost our ability to see, or even to care, when wrong is being perpetrated right under our very noses?

If some of the views aired concerning the people of New Orleans in response to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina are anything to go by, the answer is a disheartening "Yes". If the feverish, short sighted, hate filled, war drum beating of the early years of the War On Terror are anything to go on, then again, "Yes".

But there are many cases as well when terrible wrongs have been so great that even the System's Mediawar experts can't gloss shit over. In 2003 for example, two million people hit the streets of London to protest about the imminent invasion of Iraq. For a country of sixty million people, that is a staggering percentage. And of course, it was by no means an isolated incident, as many other huge protests took place around the world. So maybe there is hope for us yet.

I watch that short film and I wonder how many people that were there lost heart after seeing the indifference or condemnation of them following this incident. There is a media war going on, and we face an uphill struggle, but I hope incidents like this only stiffen the resolve of the people in getting the truth out there, in the face of hostile sheeple and System Minion efforts to stop the message. We must also consider the role certain Agencies had in whipping up the Iran protestors, as the want of the people just so happened to fit their agendas.

But soon, maybe we will see people getting angry to the point where mind tricks won't work anymore. Maybe people will start to give a shit outside of their own goldfish bowls. Maybe we'll start to care when we see fellow humans being trampled and hurt/killed by the facist pricks who try to silence voices of reason. Maybe we'll even be angry enough to get off the fucking couch and make some noise...

[Alessandra]

these videos made me rage :|

What the fuck, man? Where did our rights go, for peaceful protest?

[Snow Crash]

Where did our rights go, for peaceful protest?

Our rights are jack shit to them when we inconvenience them. Like this vid demonstrates. Like the Exclusion Zone around the British Parliament that means no protests can go near the place. Like the recent G20 protests in London, where protesters where kept in isolated little pockets, so the fuckers didn't even have to SEE them.

This is what I keep trying to tell people who believe peaceful protest is the be all and end all. Your protest does not count for shit, because you are not worth a flying fuck to them. They only understand two things: protest that disrupts the Machine, or the other kind which I will leave to your imaginations.

[Eyeforalie]

HOW THE FUCK do these "cops" live with themselves?

"children were also struck in the push back. Children should have been kept away from a demonstration of this size."

Fuck that


Im off my papers. Ill be at the next protests. If they want bottles thrown...They will be thrown.

Im a firm believer of acting your role. If that role states that you have done something you havnt, and you are punished for it, you may as well commit the crime.

[Alessandra]

I thought the whole concept of a protest, peaceful or otherwise, was to be seen. So these fucks in power are completely undermining the whole concept by 'hiding' them. What a bunch of cock smokers.

[Eyeforalie]

I say that there should be a public kidnapping and waterboarding of an officer who acts unconstitutionally.

Its not torture.

[Alessandra]

seconded.

[Snow Crash]

HOW THE FUCK do these "cops" live with themselves?

By convincing each other they are the good guys. They don't fucking THINK for themselves, and they have no fucking compassion or fucking empathy, and have NO respect for their fellow man.

They are fucking fair game when they act like this. I feel no sympathy for them when they get hurt by protestors.

[Lexion]

I say that there should be a public kidnapping and waterboarding of an officer who acts unconstitutionally.

Its not torture.

I have a black hood.

Home Depot is pretty close.

Pretty sure I remember the
drill.

Sadistic,
Lex

[Alessandra]

Thats hot, lex.
lol

bothered,
Alex

[Eyeforalie]

Im fucking enraged.

[Alessandra]

My words exactly, eye. This shit needs to stop, and this government should be put on trial.

[Snow Crash]

I say that there should be a public kidnapping and waterboarding of an officer who acts unconstitutionally.

Its not torture.

Or maybe taze/pepper spray/use batons to beat the fuck out of them, seeing as both those methods are considered ok by them.

[Eyeforalie]

and this government should be put on trial

By fire

[Lexion]

Pliers on knuckles.

One at a time.

20 minute intervals.

Giggity,
Lex

[Eyeforalie]

I wounder how much a full riot get-up would cost.

I bet if you had ten people at a protest fully dressed and leading with spray and tazers it would scare the shit out of the cops and get the citizens going.

[Alessandra]

Ill steal my b/f's combat flak jacket <_<

[Snow Crash]

I wounder how much a full riot get-up would cost.

I bet if you had ten people at a protest fully dressed and leading with spray and tazers it would scare the shit out of the cops and get the citizens going.

To be honest, I would love to see how that would work out, but I think they would use it as an excuse to pull out the heavy weapons. Either that or they would simple isolate the hard front from the other protestors by targeting all their chemicals at the protestors, and driving them back. then the hardcore front would be encircled and taken out.

[Alessandra]

then the protestors should invest in getting the good gearz.

[Snow Crash]

then the protestors should invest in getting the good gearz.

Metal Gears, imo

[Eyeforalie]

then the protestors should invest in getting the good gearz.


Thats what Im sayin.

Fight fire with an inferno.

They have tazers-Protesters have Molotov's.

They have pepper spray-Protesters have Napalm


ETC.

There has been NO push back.

[Lexion]

Ill steal my b/f's combat flak jacket <_<

That's hot.

And bothered,
Lex

[Alessandra]

Those metal gears better be solid.

[Alessandra]

then the protestors should invest in getting the good gearz.


Thats what Im sayin.

Fight fire with an inferno.

They have tazers-Protesters have Molotov's.

They have pepper spray-Protesters have Napalm


ETC.

There has been NO push back.
see whats cool about the iranian protestors, they managed to shove the militia back.

[Alessandra]

Ill steal my b/f's combat flak jacket <_<

That's hot.

And bothered,
Lex


Indeed.

Giggity,
Alex

[WarlordZeroOne]

We have all lost our rights, our Democracy for me after watching those 2 vids is just a word a front for Democratic FACISM, i have never liked the heavy handed tactics of the U.S.A. police,but we have also the same problem here in the U.K. the police make me so FUCKING angry,they have a warrent card (a Badge in the States) and they think they are GOD,well Fuck them i hate Bastard cops,and we have more bent cops in our society than ever before,WTF is going on. I am so fucking ANGRY. :projectile:

[Eyeforalie]

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[Alessandra]

ITS TIME TO FUCKING RAGE

[Snow Crash]

Those metal gears better be solid.

ROFL

[Alessandra]

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Fuck. I could save that up in 3 paychecks or so, barring any financial issues.

[Eyeforalie]

Those metal gears better be solid.

Ha. I saw that one coming from a mile a way lol


Fuck. I could save that up in 3 paychecks or so, barring any financial issues.

I should take out a loan and buy like 50 of em' and default on it.

[Alessandra]

lol. I'd be worried that might set off the authorities. Is there any way you can buy them anonymously?

[Lexion]

Those metal gears better be solid.

Duly smited.

Good one.

Rusting,
Lex

[Snow Crash]

then the protestors should invest in getting the good gearz.


Thats what Im sayin.

Fight fire with an inferno.

They have tazers-Protesters have Molotov's.

They have pepper spray-Protesters have Napalm


ETC.

There has been NO push back.

Well, sooner or later methinks they'll get all that and more, they keep abusing people like this. God help them if it kicks off in a city with a lot of street firepower. They'll have to send in some.... oh wait, they've already deployed Blackwater against American Citizens, haven't they...

[Alessandra]

Fuck Blackwater. We need our own Blackwater, one thats for the people, and not for the feds

[Lexion]

I've stated before that I don't
own a gun.

Purely personal reasons.

I do however have in-laws that
own LOTS of them. So, I'm
covered in that aspect, if the
shit hits the fan.

I'm also friends with a few cops
that are survivalists. They've
stocked up on body armor, CS
grenades, flash-bangs etc over
the years.

I know I seem a bit flighty about
some political issues, but it's with
the knowledge my ass is covered.

Rambling,
Lex

[Eyeforalie]

Ha. Let em come to here. There are places where cops already cant go without being shot.

Have you guys ever heard of Juneteenth?

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[WarlordZeroOne]

Its over you cannot do anything, we are beaten, you have armor they have better armor,you have a gun,they have a bigger and better gun,its over we are all well and truely fucked, its the young people of today who will suffer,we might as well be China in our own way.

[Snow Crash]

There are NO cops at this celebration. People shoot off guns, smoke blunts and fuck in the street. Piggies come, they die.


Sounds like fun. Can I get backstage passes?

[Snow Crash]

Its over you cannot do anything,.

That is precisely the kind of defeatist thinking that helps them get away with this shit.

And you know, Big Army and High Tech does not mean Invincible. Just ask Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans.

[WarlordZeroOne]

We Know that Snow, its not Defeatist,you tell us all WTF can we do,and tell us something we can achieve,after you have watched those 2 vids again.whatever your answer we cannot achieve it,and its no joke.

[Eyeforalie]

There are NO cops at this celebration. People shoot off guns, smoke blunts and fuck in the street. Piggies come, they die.


Sounds like fun. Can I get backstage passes?

You can crash on my couch next year. Its fun...But only if you have bodyguards.

[Eyeforalie]

We Know that Snow, its not Defeatist,you tell us all WTF can we do,and tell us something we can achieve,after you have watched those 2 vids again.whatever your answer we cannot achieve it,and its no joke.

It is defeatist.

Spread the word.

Concentrate your visions.
Concentrate divisions.

[Cogburn]

We Know that Snow, its not Defeatist,you tell us all WTF can we do,and tell us something we can achieve,after you have watched those 2 vids again.whatever your answer we cannot achieve it,and its no joke.

It is defeatist.

Spread the word.

Concentrate your visions.
Concentrate divisions.
I'd add:
* Volunteer at a local charity at least 2 hours a week
* Make friends with your whole block
* Be the example of how you want the world to be

[skunk]

Lol, for starters you can "boycott everything" or start a "general strike" movement. Lol lol lol.

[lala]

Just think if you got your armered gear, and went for your protest . . . . do think it would remain peace full!!!!
The sad thing is you'll have 75% on the protest for the right reasons, then you have the remaining 25% that are there for the kick-backs, stealing,fighting and the hipe of the mob . . . .You general find the innocent to come to grief, and anyone that takes there child to anything like this and USES there innocents as a prop are fuckin idiots . . . parents job is to protect not put them in a situation that could be unsafe . . . . It just turn into mob against mob . . .. the police don't want to be there but they have to be . . . .Its just waiting to happen . . . you get the stand off . . . the rocks are thrown, bottles . . . someone get hurt they're mate try to take that person out, or stop it and bang its all on . . . . All it take is for one person to start a fight and there your peace full protest up shit creek . . . and if you know you need protective clothing what the fuck is that . . . armed peace full protest . . . . doesn't sound promising . . . fight violence with violence and I think they call that war . . . .
Sorry not trying to bum you out just the way I see it.

[WarlordZeroOne]

C'Mon Eye i'll join the salvation army and change the world,we cannot win.and if you try you can end up DEAD.or even we all can end up DEAD with a police Baton.or bullet,or Taser,or pepper gas,or cs gas,we cannot win,if we can win ANYBODY tell me how for FUCKSAKE.

[Eyeforalie]

Id rather die on my feet then live on my knees.

[Snow Crash]

Lala, I respect your thoughts, I am just showing that peaceful doesn't mean shit to these people. If you're in the way, they will move you with violence. Otherwise, they will ignore you and your thoughts.

Peaceful protest is ALWAYS the desire. Anyone cruising for violence is the wrong person to trust. Thats what Agent Provocateurs are. BUT, why can't people fight back when they are being sprayed with chemicals and beaten? You think the fucking cops gave a fuck about the kids when they started that shit?

[Cogburn]

During the Battle of Seattle we stopped protesting and went out and bought medical supplies. The wife and I setup a little first aid station a block or two away from the Pike Place market. Basically we handed out bandages, antiseptic, and bottles of water to flush the CS gas out of people's eyes.

On Monday the crowd was definitely looking for a fight, but from what I remember it was the authorities that started to cause the first round of shit by trying to move the crowd back from the fences with riot shields and fire hoses. The crowds pushed back when a few folks got trampled and the fences got torn down and out came the tear gas. It went downhill from there.

By that Tuesday night it was pretty evident to most folks there that it wasn't protesters causing damage, it was police plants in the crowd. That's not to say that there still wasn't a few anti-corporate nutballs who didn't pass up the opportunity to rampage, but the majority of the damage was by folks that no body recognized.

Without police there can be no police state.

[Eyeforalie]

I get what your saying lala, but I think you took what I said out of context.

If peaceful protests turn violent while peaceful there is not a fair playing field.

Whats the point of being peaceful?

Kill em with kindness?

[torbjon]

just listen to you girlie boys planning your revolution, how quaint. And tomorrow I suspect I'll find you all right here, still sitting on your puffy butts, chatting crap, just like always.

This stuff is more expensive, but a lot more colorful and flashy (it films well) and probably won't raise as many flags as trying to purchase army / police surplus crap:

http://www.goaliemonkey.com/

BEFORE you stage your little coup, draw straws and pick a dozen or so bozos to be the martyrs for your cause. Those losers get to strap explosives to their bodies. They walk into the cop shops and fire stations and take them out BEFORE your troops hit the streets. A dozen or so cars, equally loaded up with explosives need to take out the bridges and tunnels into your town to slow up reinforcements. If you live by a waterway then you'll need to sink a few ships in the harbor, and if there is an airport you'll need some projectile weapons in order to bring down some aircraft on the landing strips in order to take them out too. That will buy you Some time, but not much. "They" will eventually retaliate with nerve gas, so be prepared for that.

Of course, many civilians (read Women and Children) will DIE as a result of your "freedom fighting" revolution, so be prepared to live with that, too.

You better be god damned sure of yourselves before you endanger MY daughters life with this little game of yours or I will Personally fuck each and every one you up the ass with a chainsaw.

For the record, by merely discussing tactics, we are all now Officially guilty of Treason and can be shot on sight by "the man".

Have a nice fucking day.

punks.

remind me to tell you the story of Century Plaza someday...

right now it's time to tune in, turn on and drop the fuck out.

[Cogburn]

Have a nice fucking day.

punks.

remind me to tell you the story of Century Plaza someday...

right now it's time to tune in, turn on and drop the fuck out.
Yesterday was the anniversary.

Were you there?

Now that's some shit and a story I'd like to hear.

[Eyeforalie]

Thats the problem.

Fuck it then, right?

Think about your little girl in ten years.

[Snow Crash]

just listen to you girlie boys planning your revolution, how quaint. And tomorrow I suspect I'll find you all right here, still sitting on your puffy butts, chatting crap, just like always.

You sound like a keyboard warrior. How cute, your hypocrasy. If you don't like what we say, argue it, or fuck off and suck a cop's dick.


BEFORE you stage your little coup, draw straws and pick a dozen or so bozos to be the martyrs for your cause. Those losers get to strap explosives to their bodies. They walk into the cop shops and fire stations and take them out BEFORE your troops hit the streets. A dozen or so cars, equally loaded up with explosives need to take out the bridges and tunnels into your town to slow up reinforcements. If you live by a waterway then you'll need to sink a few ships in the harbor, and if there is an airport you'll need some projectile weapons in order to bring down some aircraft on the landing strips in order to take them out too. That will buy you Some time, but not much. "They" will eventually retaliate with nerve gas, so be prepared for that.

Your tactics are foolish, counterproductive, and ill thought out. Clearly, you are the one 'chatting crap', coming in to stir shit up, and belittle people's LEGITIMATE ANGER.


Of course, many civilians (read Women and Children) will DIE as a result of your "freedom fighting" revolution, so be prepared to live with that, too.

Precisely why nobody should listen to your fool arse, bitch made shit.


You better be god damned sure of yourselves before you endanger MY daughters life with this little game of yours or I will Personally fuck each and every one you up the ass with a chainsaw.

So let's say you grew some balls and a sense of social responsibility, fuckface... if you atteneded a protest and a cop hit your daughter, would you give him anal with a chainsaw? Or would you fucking pussy it? Cos that is what this is about. Think upon that before you open your shit eating mouth.

[Disgustipated]

.

You better be god damned sure of yourselves before you endanger MY daughters life with this little game of yours or I will Personally fuck each and every one you up the ass with a chainsaw.

For the record, by merely discussing tactics, we are all now Officially guilty of Treason and can be shot on sight by "the man".


I get where you come from , Protecting your daughter is the natural thing to do
But would you really let your daughter grow up in a world like we have today?
If a hurricane hit her home city and no one comes to help? , Where the police do what they want, Beat who they want, Taze who they want , aren't you worried that one of those cops pulls your daughter whens shes peacefully driving and beats her to a pulp?
Most of us have seen the video(s) of multiple police officers and riot police being very heavy handed with women , and men alike
Do you want your daughter growing up in a world where bankers, investors and CEO's run the world ? Pollute lakes, rivers, drinking water all to save money?
Where medical care is to expensive for the lay person and even in the developed world if you get a serious enough illness and don't have enough money for the medicine you're more than likely going to die from said illness?

No sir, We are not the people putting your daughter in danger
Your daughter has been in danger since she was born , And will be until Things change


And no we are not all going to be done for treason, as not everyone this fourm lives in a country with such backwards laws

[Disgustipated]

Those metal gears better be solid.

[Snow Crash]

THE PICARD FACEPALM!

[devilwasp]

Evening brothers and Sisters of the world,

Well what a fine little arguement we have here, the militant anarchists want a body count while the angry defenders of "law and order" are complaining about the body counts. Both have good points and comments can be made about both sides like say : "Civilians always die in war." or "A rebel cannot win without the local populations support."

But heh what do I know? I'm just a guy on a laptop talking shite with a bunch of other guys, so lets cut the who's manlier than who stuff.

As to what a person can do to fight against injustice, well a good guerilla knows that you use the same ammunition that the enemy uses so that they are in fact supplying you. They are videoing people at the riots , why don't you do the same? These people have families and have kids......a smart person would realise that people don't like the idea of their father beating a defenceless protester......

All that's required for this is a camera, then spread the image everywhere.....don't allow them a moments respite from the images of them beating kids, defenceless people. The human mind is delicate and even if people build up defences they cannot keep it up for forever.

Then again there is the slightly more......dangerous side you could play but that another topic for another day.

Peace through power ,brothers and Sisters....

[Lexion]

I got devilswaps Smite cherry.

Just saying.....

Carry on,
Lex

[devilwasp]

I got devilswaps Smite cherry.

Just saying.....

Carry on,
Lex
Kinky.....

Devil.....

[Alessandra]

Its over you cannot do anything, we are beaten, you have armor they have better armor,you have a gun,they have a bigger and better gun,its over we are all well and truely fucked, its the young people of today who will suffer,we might as well be China in our own way.
So you're gonna just bend over for them and let them fuck you up the ass with no lube? its defeatist attitudes like that that's gotten us into trouble.

[Alessandra]

The problem with being passive in certain situations is that it does nothing. You need to know when and where to pick the 'fights'.
Peaceful protests are fine and all, filming the filmers. Could be used on the internet to foster more people towards your cause.
What happens when the police go crazy? You just going to run away, screaming into the night? No. IMO that's one of the dumbest things to do. You need to show them that as a nation, or a group of individuals, we are NOT to be fucked with. We're letting the police, government, military, etc bend us over and anally rape us. We Can't let that happen any longer, I think. Pick your fights wisely!

Enraged and Patriotic,
Alex

[Snow Crash]

Smited chi. Top post

[skunk]

How can you still be patriotic after what this country has become?

[Alessandra]

Not in the sense of being patriotic towards the shithole this country's become, but what this shithole could have would have and still can Be. Especially if we tell those fucking tossers in office to go eat a dick.

:|

[Cogburn]

What happens when the police go crazy? You just going to run away, screaming into the night? No. IMO that's one of the dumbest things to do. You need to show them that as a nation, or a group of individuals, we are NOT to be fucked with. We're letting the police, government, military, etc bend us over and anally rape us. We Can't let that happen any longer, I think. Pick your fights wisely!

Enraged and Patriotic,
Alex
Yeeeeeeeeeeeah.

When was your last G20 or WTO protest?

Lincoln Park, 1968
http://www.lakeforest.edu/images/userImages/beller/Page_7362/Feature2_Protester%20Tear%20Gassed.jpg

Seattle, 1999
http://i43.tinypic.com/dbo76w.jpg
http://www.randalbays.com/photos/wto_seattle_99.jpg

Enjoy the business end of a police truncheon or suffer a face full of tear gas and we'll see which song you're singing then.

How comfy is that armchair you're in?

Piss off.

[skunk]

Molotov cocktails.

[Alessandra]

also, I'd like to let cog know, that I am, in fact, not in an armchair.

[Snow Crash]

also, I'd like to let cog know, that I am, in fact, not in an armchair.

Rocking chair?

[Alessandra]

No, its vibrating.

giggity,
Alex

[Cogburn]

Molotov cocktails.
Shotguns and riot shields.

You know what Seattle taught me? We should have burned that place down and murdered them all as soon as we dropped the fences.

Stay the fuck home unless you're willing to go the distance and if you're willing to go the distance, you won't be in the streets anyway because you have better things to be doing...



also, I'd like to let cog know, that I am, in fact, not in an armchair.

Rocking chair?Toilet. Makes disposal of the bullshit easier.

The revolution will not be televised.

[Lexion]

also, I'd like to let cog know, that I am, in fact, not in an armchair.

Rocking chair?

Rabbit,

But who's telling ?

Giggity,
Lex

[devilwasp]

Cogburn has a point, if you fight them on THIER terms they will win. No doubt about it, they have the bigger fist in the bigger mailed glove. If you wish to fight back then simply work round them, a protest is good but unless you want to cause them to rethink then you need to replace strength with speed and surprise. I mean come on, the police know in advance when and where a protest will be and will be more than prepared.....

- Devil

[Alessandra]

trust me, Cog. If there was an opportunity to put my money where my mouth is, I would take it in a heartbeat. I'd be in the thick of it, screaming my lungs out. My town is pretty quiet for the most part. Last protest I was in was against the retard church near my house burning books.

[skunk]

devilwasp, that's why I said this:

"for starters you can "boycott everything" or start a "general strike" movement."

We won't win a violent revolution considering the police and military take their orders from the top.

[Cogburn]

Cogburn has a point, if you fight them on THIER terms they will win. No doubt about it, they have the bigger fist in the bigger mailed glove. If you wish to fight back then simply work round them, a protest is good but unless you want to cause them to rethink then you need to replace strength with speed and surprise. I mean come on, the police know in advance when and where a protest will be and will be more than prepared.....

- Devil
Well put. Should have phrased it that way myself were I not the wordy type. :)

Check it out... the police are not as stupid as you think they are and they are not as smart as they pretend to be.

Their job is to fuck up people just .. like .. you. They are well trained and well equipped to do that job and they do it well.

You cannot win against the full instruments and attentions of the state.

One may, however, make the execution of the job so hard that the individual officer (or soldier) can no longer justify following orders.

Patriotism is the religion of statists; complete with temples, icons, relics, and a pantheon of deities.

I burned your flag.

Hey Chii.... make your own opportunity, nothing is stopping you but you.

:smokin:

[Alessandra]

and possibly you, you god damn buzzkill.
:lol:

[Eyeforalie]

First off this topic is getting out of fucking hand.

I like it :D

Skunk, your on top of it.
New guy-Fuck you *from Amkon* You know what your talking about but you creep me the fuck out.
Alass-nice as always.

Fuck it, were all on the same page.

Although military personnel are under order of officers they are first under orders to uphold, first and foremost, the constitution. This fact makes me extremely upset taking into consideration situations depicted in the OP. These "police" are defending money. They are defending the ones who paid to be in a quite hotel, paid to talk and paid to be in power. This is wrong.

I see absolutely no problem with patriots upholding the constitution. The PTB do though.

We all have to act in shadow of our superiors. Use proven tactics and the territory that we know to our advantage.

Torb made reference to the Century Plaza incident. From what I understand, this brawl was the tipping point of ending the Vietnam war. Yes, people were hurt. Innocents. By other humans. Just because you have a badge doesnt mean that you have the authority to fucking mace peaceful protesters. You dont have the authority to beat. The peoples voices must be heard. A beaten dog will only bite back.

It is evident that peaceful protests are worthless. They machine controls all around us and will continue to do so until it it curb stomped.

But thats all part of the plan isnt it?

Violent opposition should only be used as a megaphone of truth. It needs to be combined with all other forms of communication to insure the battle be fought on a front that captivates the audience wholeheartedly.

Say "fuck you". Close your bank accounts. Shop local. Preach to everyone so that when the shit hits, Joe six-pack remembers that guy who seemed nuts at the bar that told him what was up. etc.

The opposition to speech control is essential in showing the MSM that people care. If they dont cover it, others will. Word will spread that innocents die.

Word will spread that YOU are not alone.

[Eyeforalie]

http://www.securityprousa.com/liriprge.html

A link for lex for the riot gear

[skunk]

That looks like a glorified catcher's uniform. Where's the kevlar vest?

[Eyeforalie]

Well if people start getting capped its time to run home.

Its just to say "I got what you got"

And to be fireproof.

[devilwasp]

First off this topic is getting out of fucking hand.

I like it :D

Skunk, your on top of it.
New guy-Fuck you *from Amkon* You know what your talking about but you creep me the fuck out.
Alass-nice as always.
[/qoute]
LOL thanks mate , I'll take that as a compliment.....
[qoute]
Fuck it, were all on the same page.

Although military personnel are under order of officers they are first under orders to uphold, first and foremost, the constitution. This fact makes me extremely upset taking into consideration situations depicted in the OP. These "police" are defending money. They are defending the ones who paid to be in a quite hotel, paid to talk and paid to be in power. This is wrong.

I see absolutely no problem with patriots upholding the constitution. The PTB do though.

We all have to act in shadow of our superiors. Use proven tactics and the territory that we know to our advantage.

Torb made reference to the Century Plaza incident. From what I understand, this brawl was the tipping point of ending the Vietnam war. Yes, people were hurt. Innocents. By other humans. Just because you have a badge doesnt mean that you have the authority to fucking mace peaceful protesters. You dont have the authority to beat. The peoples voices must be heard. A beaten dog will only bite back.

It is evident that peaceful protests are worthless. They machine controls all around us and will continue to do so until it it curb stomped.

But thats all part of the plan isnt it?

Violent opposition should only be used as a megaphone of truth. It needs to be combined with all other forms of communication to insure the battle be fought on a front that captivates the audience wholeheartedly.

Say "fuck you". Close your bank accounts. Shop local. Preach to everyone so that when the shit hits, Joe six-pack remembers that guy who seemed nuts at the bar that told him what was up. etc.

The opposition to speech control is essential in showing the MSM that people care. If they dont cover it, others will. Word will spread that innocents die.

Word will spread that YOU are not alone.
To be honest, I believe that isolation from the problem will not solve it. You must first act like the enemy, become the enemy then attack him. The one thing the government fears is not a terrorist attack, not a massive uprising but a calculated insurgency by those WITH the knowledge and the means to fight back. Just because you have a gun does not make you powerful, what makes you powerful is the knowledge to put such a weapon to use. Hence why the military train men for MONTHS on weapons and their applications.....a tool is useless without the right hands to guide it.

If you look at many wars and rebellions in the last 100 years you'll notice the media has played a large portion in their war efforts......the gulf war, the Falklands and even the Iraq war. As they say "Control the media , control the mind." Now what does this mean in relation to "our" efforts....the biggest unsecured source of information is the Internet and the printed press.....

Any idiot can make a website within 30 mins in any web cafe and any idiot can buy a printer....

Just a few thoughts....

- Devil

[Cogburn]

... and that, sir, is why serve "the bad guys".

Welcome to AmKon.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Edit postReport this postReply with quoteRe: Video: This Is What A Police State Looks Like
by WarlordZeroOne on Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:57 pm

We Know that Snow, its not Defeatist,you tell us all WTF can we do,and tell us something we can achieve,after you have watched those 2 vids again.whatever your answer we cannot achieve it,and its no joke.

This is the only crap thing about AmKon some members will not give answers only one worders (Repeat the only crap thing on AmKon) like die on your feet, not on your knees. I am not on my knees,there is no bigger fighter than me,what i am saying is WE CANNOT WIN,now i'll ask again if ANYBODY can tell us all how we can win GREAT we will do it,BUT we CANNOT WIN ,the system is Fixed so we cannot prevail. and its no JOKE.

[Eyeforalie]

AmKon is not in any way a Revolutionary movement or revolutionist gathering spot. It is up to you to decide what you want.

The info is all there.

If you think you cannot win you are sucking the big fat stiff cawk the PTB slapped you in the cheek with. Thus, living on you knees.

Would you like the red or blue pill?

[Cogburn]

Would you like the red or blue pill?
I'd rather make the pills.

[WarlordZeroOne]

I just love ostridges,they like sand in their eyes,who needs the pills. (maybe spelt ostridges wrong i am a wank speller)

[Eyeforalie]

I eat them all.

"...nothing compares to these blue and yellow purple pills"

[Alessandra]

I prefer green, but thats just me.

We need a commune of amkonites. All living off the grid, for the most part. PTB fuck with us? they get the bird.

[Snow Crash]

The bird being that two hundred megaton device that Lex has sitting in his garage?

[devilwasp]

Edit postReport this postReply with quoteRe: Video: This Is What A Police State Looks Like
by WarlordZeroOne on Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:57 pm

We Know that Snow, its not Defeatist,you tell us all WTF can we do,and tell us something we can achieve,after you have watched those 2 vids again.whatever your answer we cannot achieve it,and its no joke.

This is the only crap thing about AmKon some members will not give answers only one worders (Repeat the only crap thing on AmKon) like die on your feet, not on your knees. I am not on my knees,there is no bigger fighter than me,what i am saying is WE CANNOT WIN,now i'll ask again if ANYBODY can tell us all how we can win GREAT we will do it,BUT we CANNOT WIN ,the system is Fixed so we cannot prevail. and its no JOKE.
May I make a suggestion?

I know people repeat the rhetoric of "fight the man/system/corp" and rarely stop to think about HOW they will do that, it can be annoying but people do tend to get caught up in the spirit of the moment. There are many forms of resistance, the starting spot I suppose is to question everything they do.....every action this government makes , every statement a reporter or main official state try and find what angle they are playing.

There are other forms, like spreading the truth via the media...they cant control everything. Flooding the public with constant information about what is actually happening is the only way to ensure they fight the ignorance.

You could take the more....worrying route and take pictures of the cops, of course once you have an image of them there are many things you can do....although I think in some states identifying an officer of the law via this kind of method can be risky. You could identify the very officers involved and post their names and the acts they committed in their areas.....you'd be surprised how quickly a rumour can turn into a "Fact".

- Devil...

[Snow Crash]

There are other forms, like spreading the truth via the media...they cant control everything. Flooding the public with constant information about what is actually happening is the only way to ensure they fight the ignorance.

Precisely. Media is a critical front. People do like to give it the large and get swept up in the moment, but for many of us, our current primary goal should be the education of our fellow people. We must work to tear down the illusions, and help them see what's really going on.

[GeneralStriker]

our current primary goal should be the education of our fellow peopleslogan wars? boycott everything and be done with it. turn on, tune in and- drop out. they couldn't have a war if no-one showed up to fight it.

[skunk]

And what about the soldiers who are already deployed/enlisted? Should they desert and risk court martial?

[Snow Crash]

our current primary goal should be the education of our fellow peopleslogan wars? boycott everything and be done with it. turn on, tune in and- drop out.

Now now BE, did I say slogan wars? I am talking info wars...... and not anything Alex Jones related, either.

And besides, I would NEVER be able to compete with some of the bullshit slogans Fux News comes out with. Fair And Balanced? Who can compete with that golden turd?

[skunk]

Lol...This isn't relevant to the OP, but its interesting nonetheless.

Fox: The most biased name in news (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067)

[offsite:32bvx6cu]"I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News Channel."--Rupert Murdoch (Salon, 3/1/01)[/offsite:32bvx6cu]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Snow Crash]

[offsite:1ah1yo49]"I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News Channel."--Rupert Murdoch (Salon, 3/1/01)[/offsite:1ah1yo49]

I wish I could live in an alternate reality like Wupert.

[WarlordZeroOne]

I wish all AmKonoids could live like Wupert,what a CASH COW. Moooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Snow Crash]

I wish all AmKonoids could live like Wupert,what a CASH COW. Moooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

'grabs chainsaw'

Let's make beef burgers...

[GeneralStriker]

Should they desert and risk court martial? yes

[Ima Nasshole]

We have about 1,156 days to plan it out. When do the heads of both dragons gather to suckle from the teet of the monster they have endowed themselves to?

[GeneralStriker]

We have about 1,156 days to plan it out. When do the heads of both dragons gather to suckle from the teet of the monster they have endowed themselves to?English, please.

[Alessandra]

edit: My guessing fails.

[Ima Nasshole]

We have about 1,156 days to plan it out. When do the heads of both dragons gather to suckle from the teet of the monster they have endowed themselves to?English, please.
DNC/RNC

[GeneralStriker]

Oh! Suckling dragons! Thank you, genius.

We now return you to the David Icke program now in progress.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

[offsite:35aze27q]Top Ten Things to Think About If You Want to Change the World

By Michael Angier

Mahatma Gandhi believed that we must be the change we want to see in the world. This was well demonstrated when he helped India gain its independence. Gandhi was a revolutionary man, but he accomplished India&#39;s emergence as a nation without starting a revolution. In fact, he advocated no violence. One of the most powerful countries in the world yielded to the commitment of one man and the dream of millions.

What change can we effect? What&#39;s the difference we want to make in the world?

Gandhi said, "In a gentle way you can shake the world." Here are some things to think about how to do just that …

Know that all significant change throughout history has occurred not because of nations, armies, governments and certainly not committees. They happened as a result of the courage and commitment of individuals. People like Joan of Ark, Albert Einstein, Clara Barton, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Edison and Rosa Parks. They might not have done it alone, but they were, without question, the change makers.
[/*:m:35aze27q]
Believe that you have a unique purpose and potential in the world. It&#39;s not so much something to create as to be discovered. And it&#39;s up to you to discover it. Believe that you can and will make a difference.
[/*:m:35aze27q]
Recognize that everything you do, every step you take, every sentence you write, every word you speak-or DON&#39;T speak--counts. Nothing is trivial. The world may be big, but there are no small things. Everything matters.
[/*:m:35aze27q]
To be the change you want to see in the world, you don&#39;t have to be loud. You don&#39;t have to be eloquent. You don&#39;t have to be elected. You don&#39;t even have to be particularly smart or well educated. You do, however, have to be committed.
[/*:m:35aze27q]
Take personal responsibility. Never think "it&#39;s not my job". It&#39;s a cop-out to say, "What can I do, I&#39;m only one person." You don&#39;t need everyone&#39;s cooperation or anyone&#39;s permission to make changes. Remember this little gem, "If it&#39;s to be, it&#39;s up to me."
[/*:m:35aze27q]
Don&#39;t get caught up in the how of things. If you&#39;re clear on what you want to change and why you want to change it, the how will come. Many significant things have been left undone because someone let the problem solving interfere with the decision-making.
[/*:m:35aze27q]
Don&#39;t wait for things to be right in order to begin. Change is messy. Things will never be just right. Follow Teddy Roosevelt&#39;s timeless advice, "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."
[/*:m:35aze27q]
The genesis for change is awareness. We cannot change what we don&#39;t acknowledge. Most of the time, we aren&#39;t aware of what&#39;s wrong or what&#39;s not working. We don&#39;t see what could be. By becoming more aware, we begin the process of change.
[/*:m:35aze27q]
Take to heart these words from Albert Einstein--arguably one of the smartest change masters who ever lived: "All meaningful and lasting change starts first in your imagination and then works its way out. Imagination is more important than knowledge."
[/*:m:35aze27q]
In order for things to change, YOU have to change. We can&#39;t change others; we can only change ourselves. However, when WE change, it changes everything. And in doing so, we truly can be the change we want to see in the world.[/*:m:35aze27q]

The following is inscribed on the tomb of an Anglican Bishop in Westminster Abby (1100 A.D.) …

When I was young and free and my imagination had no limits, I dreamed of changing the world. As I grew older and wiser, I discovered the world would not change, so I shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country.

But it, too, seemed immovable.

As I grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate attempt, I settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas, they would have none of it.

And now, as I lie on my deathbed, I suddenly realize: If I had only changed myself first, then by example I would have changed my family.

From their inspiration and encouragement, I would then have been able to better my country, and who knows, I may have even changed the world.

Since my 10-point list above was inspired by Gandhi&#39;s belief, it seems appropriate to end with another of his quotes: "Consciously or unconsciously, every one of us does render some service or other. If we cultivate the habit of doing this service deliberately, our desire for service will steadily grow stronger and we will make not only our own happiness, but that of the world at large."

Positive Path Network | Top Ten Things to Think About If You Want to Change the World (http://www.positivepath.net/ideasMA11.asp)[/offsite:35aze27q]

[Alessandra]

thanks for the read, Goos. Good stuff right there

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons%20pngs/wink.png

[skunk]

Agreed. Nice find.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons%20pngs/okej.png

[torbjon]

(addendum: WAY outta synch, but wtf)

*sips*
interesting... my irony seems to have gone mostly unnoticed...

Cog: I'll get back to you and that, but first I just wanna say that I take back everything I ever said about your mother or you being a lazy sob. That was FAST comrade. I had forgotten that the anniversary for that event was just the other day. Major kudos to you and a tip of the hat... I'm gonna touch on a few other things then get back to your question and perhaps some stories.

Snow: wow, nice rant. Can't do that at ATS, ey? *grins* May Crom bless AmKon. Sadly, it seems to me that you are one of the folks that Missed the actual point of my pathetic dribble... In all cases of communication, it is, of course, a two way street, but I'll take the full brunt of dunderheadedness in this case. I was in a mood (and in a hurry) so I didn't fully articulate my points in a way any numbnut could understand. Me bad. Sorry dude.

Disgustipated: I seem to recall your avatar associated with another screen name... am I really that retarded? Help a comrade out... Anyway, I'll get to your comments when I get back to Cog...

Devilwasp: Welcome to Amkon. Like your style. We may be more on the same page than is readily apparent...

Eyeforalie: Your avatar hurts me. Just thought I'd mention that *grins*

*sips*

hmm... the rest seems to be basic chit chat and posturing...

Okay Cog, back to you again, thanks for being so patient. As to your question; "was I at the Century Plaza Hotel event" the answer is NO. I was a few weeks shy of two years old then. Mom and dad were a lot of things, but "take a toddler to a protest rally" stupid wasn't one of them. Mom worked nights as a nurse then, she was home sleeping. I stayed home with her that day, along with a couple of other hippies who were probably too stoned to do much of anything else. (Note: I did Not lack from care; diapers were changed, feedings provided, attention was given) My memory of the Century Plaza event revolves around a woman named "Jo". She would babysit me sometimes. She was my favorite, I Liked her. I remember her being quite beautiful and quite nice to me. Her house had a nice back yard with grass and trees in it (whereas ours was a patch of un-watered Pomona desert). Jo went to the rally, as did a man who, at the time, I assumed was her husband, but looking back, was probably just the guy she was fucking then *shrugs*. And my dad went.

Some time After the event, I was packed up and told I was being taken to the Other babysitter, the old bitty with the mean yap dog, in the house I didn't like... Of course I asked "why can't I go to Jo's?" and all I remember being told about that was "because of what happend at the Plaza" which didn't make any sense to me at all, and didn't seem very fair or right. But I was only two, so what are ya gonna do, right?

More time passed, and one day I finally got to go to Jo's house. Whoopie! So I get there, and Jo's not there. Instead there is this hideous woman with a caved in face who talked funny. That wasn't Jo, that was a Monster. Sitting next to the Monster was Jo's "husband". He was in a wheelchair. He was probably zonked outta his skull on painkillers but all I saw was a pale zombie shell of a man that drooled a bit and did not look 'happy' or even fully alive.... Obviously the Monster had something to do with this.

I did what any normal two year old would do when faced with such a bizarro Twilight Zone scene: I screamed in FEAR and tried to crawl back inside my mothers belly. This made Jo cry. At the time that freeked me out even more. But I could see in her one good eye and in the timber of her tears that Jo actually Was in there...

It took a while, but I got over my fear of the Monster. As more time went by they told me what happened to them on that day. You can figure it out. They got the living shit beat out of them. Jo got hit in the head twice by a cop trying to hit a home run. She talked funny for years after and, if she's still alive, still talks funny now, I'm sure. Half her head was destroyed. Her man got hit on the back multiple times. A portion of his spine was turned to jelly. He eventually went away to a 'home' or some other type of care giving facility as Jo couldn't see to his needs by herself.

I remember snippets of heated conversations that made it pretty clear that they had to pay for all of their medical expenses out of pocket, and couldn't really afford it...

*sips*

Anger and rage making stuff, right? Not some silly video, but In Your Face and In Your Life kinda stuff. REAL LIFE shit, not teevee shit.

*sips*

But I'm just starting. There's more. A few years later I'm fourish. Dad and I are driving along the LA freeways, probably going home to Pomona. At that time there were actually patches of 'nothing' between LA and Pomona... looking at the maps now, that has all grown up, and is pretty much just one solid city... but back then there were some patches of 'nothingness' between offramps, and we were in one of those patches when a cop pulled us over. I have No idea if it was a State Trooper or a City Cop, at that time all cops were the same to me: Cruisers with lights on top, emblem on the side. Dude in blue with the shiny silver badge, and the ultimate emblem of emblems, a pistol strapped to the hip.

Cop pulls us over, dad's cool, with a 'hello officer, how can I help you?' kind of thing. Cop rips open the drivers door, screaming at dad to keep his hands on the wheel while at the same time physically trying to rip him from the vehicle. a) dad was a BIG sob, and b) he was wearing his seat belt, so cop wasn't having any luck in extracting him from the vehicle, and was getting Extremely pissed off about that. Dad goes to unfasten his seatbelt, cop goes for his gun. Dad manages to get extracted from the vehicle without getting shot. His reward for that was to get slammed against the hood of the car, cuffed, and hauled away in the back of the cruiser.

Then there's me, see. Remember the four year old kid in the back seat of the VW fastback with black vinyl upholstery alongside the freeway in the sunny southern California desert on a hot day? Ya. The cop just left me there, alone. You wouldn't even do that to a DOG, would you?

Something else the cop left with the kid was the keys in the ignition of the vehicle. Clever cop. God Bless America. mmph.

*sips*

Sun was overhead when that went down.

Sun was started to flood the interior of the vehicle, raising the temperature even more, and searing my flesh before the first person stopped to see why the fuck I was left all alone by the side of the road... it was a civilian couple. The woman was genuinely concerned, but she was also a stranger and no way in hell was I trusting Anybody just then. I locked the doors and screamed bloody murder. Eventually they left.

I pissed myself. I shit myself. I drank all of the water that was in the car but wanted more. The sun moved down so now it was in my face. And another cop pulled up. He too wanted to know what the fuck was going on, why I was there all alone, etc. He freeked me more than the strange civilians did, I screamed bloody murder even louder and let it be known that it was His Kind that had took my dad. He tried to bust into the car but that freeked me even More so he backed off, played radio games for a while, then you know what good cop number two did?

Yep, drove off and just left me there.

Sun is touching the horizon when cruiser with dad finally returns. A minimum of four hours, maybe as much as six hours that I was left there to fend for myself.

The reason given for the incident? A case of mistaken identity.

This is the second, REAL, In Your Face, fuck you event, where cops directly caused ME physical and/or emotional scarring... and I'm only FOUR years old for chrissakes.

*sips*

There's a dozen more of those throughout my life.

Two more LA events, one where the cops stopped me on my way home from kindergarten to question me about my dads activities, and another where they came into my first grade class room and pulled me out and used me as bait to lure him in for questioning.

Of course, they had their reasons. Dad WAS a militant hippy reble organizer. He DID help to arm and train the Panthers. He DID help to organize the Mexican migrant workers. He WAS very vocal and outspoken. Basically, he was a Good American. Everything a cop likes to hate *shrugs*

Having me targeted for persecution may have been too much for the folks, 'cause shortly after the first grade event we split the LA scene and hid in the desert for about six months. Then a trip to Canada for a few months. A jaunt up to Alaska to see what that was like. Back across Canada and down the Mississippi river to visit my moms family. Then a slow trip back across country to nothern California... I spent half of first grade and most of second grade on the road.

There's a few years of lay low mellowness then... good times, those. Then it happens again. The local hospital is fucking over the nurses. Big Time. It's the blacks and Mexicans all over again. These people (mostly women) are being Seriously fucked up the ass... they need to Organize, get their shit together, Make The Changes.

So our house becomes Strike headquarters. (side story, I do believe this was the straw that broke my folks apart. Mom split then, it was just dad and me in the house.)

I'm tenish / elevenish now. I know these people personally. Some of them are moms of my friends. They ARE getting hosed over... so, ya, sure, I'll help *shrugs* I make STRIKE signs... roughly nailed to nice bits of 2X2 hard wood, with little bits of nail head still sticking up on one side, nice pointy bits of nail sticking out the back (remember this if you should make strike signs... lath and staples are for wussies). I make fliers and hand them out, walk the picket line with the nurses and a few of my friends... STRIKE AS LONG AS IT TAKES!!! Solidarity, brothers and sisters, Solidarity.

Of course, local law enforcement sides with management. Strike busters totally fuck with us, threaten us, bust out windows in cars and houses, terrorize us.... and local law enforcement does NOTHING to protect these families, these children. I receive a number of death threats personally... phone calls saying "I know you are home alone. I'm outside your house right now. Tell your dad I'm going to kill you if he doesn't back off" kind of thing.

One night I actually called the cops for help. I tell 'em I'm a kid, home alone, and that there's some crazy dude outside my house threatening to kill me. They are all attentive and serious until I give them my address. Then they basically tell me to fuck off, and no cruiser ever did a drive by that night.

There was a buncha other stuff like that, during, and even after the strike. No Love from local law enforcement. This is In My Face and REAL, not teevee.

*sips*

Following that crap was a number of "mistaken identity" cases perpetrated on me. A couple I got hauled in for, a couple were 'just' guns shoved in my face. The last event was shortly after the towers came down. The first line they set up after the towers came down was on 14th street. I lived in the village and worked in midtown, so I had to cross that line to go to work, cross it again to come home. I had just moved from Alaska not too long before that, so I still had my Alaska ID. I went to work one morning, no problems, but coming home, some numbnut national guardsman kid from Alabama equated "alaska" with "al qaeda" or some such, and wouldn't let me through the line. I got in his face. He butted me in the gut with his rifle. I went down, on my back, and tweeked it. It's still tweeked. I cannot play with my daughter in the manner in which I would like because of it, so She suffers from my injury at least as much as I do. Again, In My Face and REAL, not teevee.

so... if it seems like I have little compassion for people who get 'outraged' by what they see on teevee it's 'cause I have little compassion for folks who get outraged by what the see on teevee. You're sitting on your butt watching teevee. fuck you. Hit the Streets. Carry a Sign. Look down the business end of barrel. Get hauled in and questioned. Do SOMETHING other than sit on your butt, watch teevee, and bitch about it.

Disgustipated and Eyeforalie:

No, actually, I have not noticed THAT much change in the past 42 years regarding these types of events. Technology has changed, but tha's about it. BOTH the Century Plaza event of then and the Seattle event of now unfolded in pretty much the same way:

Lawful Parade Permits were issued. A "parade" is a procession of evenly spaced participants marching along a predefined path at a steady pace. As long as it's a Parade, everything is cool. There are thousands of peaceful Parades every day all over the world. Some are demonstrative in nature, some are celebratory. As long as the Parade keeps moving along, everything is cool and Legal.

In both the incidents mentioned here, and in pretty much all others where violence has broken out, SOMETHING happened to disrupt the movement of the Parade... shills, plants, or militant rebels stop the precession... or cops stop the precession...

Remember that scene from Animal House where Stork steals the baton and leads the Parade into a dead end ally? Ya... once the 'head' slows down (or stops) the 'back', not knowing what the fuck is going on, marches right into them... and the evenly spaced Parade becomes a bunched up mass of people... they become a MOB. Within just a few short minutes we've gone from 'peaceful demonstration' to 'unruly Mob'.

The 'mob' is saying "what the fuck? why aren't we moving?" and starting to get a little pissed off... at nothing, really, other than "why aren't we moving?", but that emotion spreads. The cops, for whatever reasons, be it intentional on their part or not, are now faced with an angry mob, not a peaceful parade. Law enforcement has had a Lot of experience dealing with angry mobs these past thousands of years, and rule one is to Not let that anger become Focused. So it's usually at that point that the cops start swinging clubs *shrugs* "disperse this mob Now before they become focused on killing the president" kinda thing. Right, wrong, or indifferant, it's thier 'job'.

Regardless of what people may Think their 'rights' are, standing around in one place is NOT legal. That's called 'loitering'. Staging a "sit in" on public property is a no no. There are no permits for that. You Can get permits for rallies and gatherings in some places for some events. Those are Privilage and not a Right. They usually cost a lot of money, and you usually have to pay for the land and other facilities you'll be using for the event.

*sips*

I don't teach my kid to be dependent upon others for her health, education, and welfare. I teach her the same shit I was taught: there's only One person on the face of this planet you can count on in a pinch, and that bozo is the one you see in the mirror. Everyone else will fuck you up the ass, including mum and da. Calling "911" is a Last resort, not the first. The First thing to do in a shitty situation is to take responsibility for it and then say to yourself "what can I do to solve this problem?"

"oh, but numbnut, I'M not a firefighter, I'm not a healthcare provider, I'm not a law enforcement officer, I'm not a soldier, I don't know how to do those things..."

My question to you becomes: Why The Fuck NOT?! Why can't you set a broken bone or sew up a nasty cut? The procedures are in the Boyscout handbook fer chrissakes. Why don't you have a couple of fire extinguishers and Know how to use them properly? Why don't you know how to disarm the bad guy? Why don't you know how to defend your country from the bad guys? Why haven't you read the Penal Code for whatever region of the world you live in?

Who's the numbnut here? The idiot who puts all of their eggs in one basket and then hopes that basket will be there when they need it? Or the bozo who puts the bulk of their faith in themselves and is willing to live with the consequences of their own short comings?

*sips*

When I hopped into this chat there was only a couple of pages of "ooooh, that makes me so mad, let's kill the dirty bastards" and that was pretty much the gist of it. That was as far as anyone had gotten with their 'rage'. That's nice, it's a start, but it's incredibly juvenile and short sighted.

I'm all for change. Subject To Change is my mantra. But I've been involved in organizing for too long. I've seen this exact type of emotional gut reaction to an event more times than I can count. Again, it's nice, it's a start, BUT. It's not focused.

YES, the cops need bitch slapping... and then what? What exactly is the purpose of this bitch slapping? What is the exact goal people wish to achieve? IF the primary goal is to just let off a little steam, then have at it, yer on the right track for a nice steam releasing yet otherwise totally unproductive little war.

If you actually want to replace the existing system with something else, then what is the Exact system you wish to install? How will this system function? Who will be the major leaders of this system? How are they chosen? How are they removed if we decide we don't like them? Has everything been taken into consideration? What Other systems will be impacted when we change the current one? What are our plans for dealing with Those changes? What do we do if / when things don't go the way we thought they would? What's the contingency plan? Etc. etc. etc.

In short, what's on page Two of your 'game book'? For every strike, rally, or other events of that type that I've partook in, that is pretty much the First question I ask folks...

"uh-huh... ya... I hear you.... AND THEN WHAT?"

we bitch slap the cops... and when that doesn't work, then what?
we protest the building of this nuclear reactor, and when that doesn't work, then what?
we strike for better wages and better working conditions, and when that doesn't work, then what?

*sips*

I see some posts have been made while I was spewing garbage... maybe the 'and then what' has been addressed, I dunno...

Not gonna put up with any bs from folks who haven't shed blood though... be it their own or someone elses. Put up or shut up, right? I've taken up arms and put my life on the line for things that I have believed in. My life has been threatened, I've been physically abused, I've lost blood and have physical scars on my body all because of my Beliefs.

Perhaps my beliefs will get me (or my kid) killed someday.... *shrugs* So be it. At least we shall die as free thinking, free spirited individuals and not terrified little sheeple.

dinner time, I'm outta here, more later, I'm sure.
twj

(query: why did s-h-e-e-p-l-e get replaced by "flag whores"?... not wild about that.)

[Snow Crash]

interesting... my irony seems to have gone mostly unnoticed...

...

Snow: wow, nice rant. Can't do that at ATS, ey? *grins* May Crom bless AmKon. Sadly, it seems to me that you are one of the folks that Missed the actual point of my pathetic dribble... In all cases of communication, it is, of course, a two way street, but I'll take the full brunt of dunderheadedness in this case. I was in a mood (and in a hurry) so I didn't fully articulate my points in a way any numbnut could understand. Me bad. Sorry dude.

Translates to: "Oh shit, I thought I wouldn't get any retalliation after wading into a thread guns blazing, giving people shit, and generally acting like a know it all twat. But, you see, I was totally misunderstood/didn't present myself properly, cos I was 'in a rush'."

Nice attempt at a backpeddle though.


so... if it seems like I have little compassion for people who get 'outraged' by what they see on teevee it's 'cause I have little compassion for folks who get outraged by what the see on teevee. You're sitting on your butt watching teevee. fuck you. Hit the Streets. Carry a Sign. Look down the business end of barrel. Get hauled in and questioned. Do SOMETHING other than sit on your butt, watch teevee, and bitch about it.

Ok, fair enough, some of the things listed must have been terrible. You're a fucking arrogant fool though if your experience leads you to believe that everyone else in this thread is just an armchair dissident, or that none other than you have had first hand dealings with corrupt cops who seek to destroy lives for no good fucking reason. IF you feel that is the case, you can take the little autobiography you just fed us, and pound it sideways up your arse, because you are not unique, by any stretch of the imagination.


That was as far as anyone had gotten with their 'rage'.

Only a retard would detail their plans on an open forum.

[torbjon]

Everybody is unique, Snow, even a fucktard like you who hides behind a made up name and dipshit avatar.

you talk well. Now walk the walk.

Only a retard would waste time hanging out on a lame assed forum.

Welcome to the monkey house.

[boycotteverything]

wanna see the face of a police state? look at Iran.

[Snow Crash]

Everybody is unique, Snow, even a fucktard like you who hides behind a made up name and dipshit avatar.

Woah LOL... touched a nerve did I? So your real name is Torbjon is it? And that ava is you, I take it?

Clearly not, you dozy cunt.


you talk well. Now walk the walk.

What makes you think I don't? I don't need some prima donna hypocrit keyboard warrior to tell me a heap of sob stories to motivate me. Yet more arrogance on your part.


Only a retard would waste time hanging out on a lame assed forum.

So you are here because...?

[torbjon]

Just out of curiousity, who the fuck are you, anyway, Snow Crash? No name, no face, no location, a real nobody from nowhere. Very brave behind your mask you are. Anyone know who this numbnut is?

At least I have a name, a face, folks can find me, my kid, my employer, my street address, my phone number, my email, I'm an easily executed open book. Go ahead and snipe me, fire bomb me, kidnap my kid, make my life a living hell.

That's how afraid of YOU I am.

Why are you so afraid of me? Why sling shit from behind a bush while wearing mask? Very chicken shit, that, and childish.

Sure, most of the folks I chat with here have goofy names and silly avatars, but the bulk of them have also come forth and said to me, "hey, this is who I REALLY am." at some point or another...

Not you though... decided to take offense at some numbnut remark I made, and hell bent on leather to hold onto that hatred, ain'tcha?

good luck with life, bub. Until you grow up, welcome to my shit list.

(addendum to add: "So you are here because...?" 'cause I'm a numbnut, just like everybody else. We're all bozos on this bus)

[GeneralStriker]

We're all bozos on this busexcept me, of course.

[torbjon]

We're all bozos on this busexcept me, of course.

well, duh, that goes without saying, yer the General, after all. Any idea who that ninny is? Talk about a hard on, sheesh.

[GeneralStriker]

oh fuckit, bozo. he's a good guy. so are you.

[Snow Crash]

Just out of curiousity, who the fuck are you, anyway, Snow Crash? No name, no face, no location, a real nobody from nowhere. Very brave behind your mask you are. Anyone know who this numbnut is?

Oh, so cautiousness is to be mocked now is it? Do you feel all who have a gripe against the syste should advertise all details on the internet? You really are a fucking moron man, seriously.


At least I have a name, a face, folks can find me, my kid, my employer, my street address, my phone number, my email, I'm an easily executed open book.

So you must like placing yourself and your loved ones in the firing line so readily. Got a martyr complex have we?


Go ahead and snipe me, fire bomb me, kidnap my kid, make my life a living hell.

Now why would I do that? First off, I doubt seriously a dickweed like you who displays such arrogance would be important enough to warrant tracking down and taking out. Secondly, despite our obvious disagreements and hostility towards each other at present, we are in fact, providing you are what you claim, on the same side.


That's how afraid of YOU I am.

Please show where I made a threat against you or your family? You are irrelevant to me at present. Does it hurt your ego to acknowledge that? Or are you trying to make out like big bad me is harrassing poor little you? More Martyrdom, Vicar?


Why are you so afraid of me?

Please show where I even implied I was afraid of you. Please, cos I am SO forgetful, clearly...


Why sling shit from behind a bush while wearing mask? Very chicken shit, that, and childish.

Now now... sticks and stones lol


Sure, most of the folks I chat with here have goofy names and silly avatars, but the bulk of them have also come forth and said to me, "hey, this is who I REALLY am." at some point or another...

So you're in the habit of just handing over personal details to somone you argue with in a thread? What kind of dipshit are you?


Not you though...

Yep. That's right, fucknuts. Not me.


decided to take offense at some numbnut remark I made, and hell bent on leather to hold onto that hatred, ain'tcha?

Well, call me old fashioned, but I operate on the basis of "You don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with you."

You acted like a dick. You got called out for it. You have an issue? Tough shit.


Until you grow up, welcome to my shit list.

I am honoured, I assure you.

[skunk]

Great rant torb, the long one.

[GeneralStriker]

wow! a good old fashioned Amkon foodfight. hang on while i pull up a seat.

[skunk]

Doesn't it make you nostalgic to how we used to (and sometimes still do) bicker over inane bullshit?

[GeneralStriker]

oh yes. where the hell are the crab ladies??

[torbjon]

oh fuckit, bozo. he's a good guy. so are you.

oh, I'm sure he is, in more lucid moments... he's sure got a rage on now though, don't he? *laughs*

You know me, I got a hard time taking nameless / faceless nobodies very seriously, tha's all. At least I really do live what I preach... 'walk the walk' and all...

any idea why s-h-e-e-p-l-e is getting turned into "flag whore"? jasn? mojo? what up with that... not sure I dig on that... if the S word is out, I'll find another colorful metaphor of my own...

(addendum) SNOW! FOR FUCKS SAKE, CHILL OUT!! I honestly don't give a rats ass about you anymore. You've turned into a busted record with bad lyrics. I GET THE POINT! YOU HATE MY FUCKING GUTS AND I'M A RETARD. THANK YOU. I KNOW I'M A RETARD. NOTHING NEW THERE. MOVE ALONG.

you call it "caution", I call it "terrified". I refuse to live a life of terror. I refuse to let my kid live her life in terror. We may die tomorrow, but we won't die in fear.

Go ahead, be "cautious", play it "safe", live to be 103! It's obvious that yer no fool.

u]rJx0f0EwPr8u]

[torbjon]

oh yes. where the hell are the crab ladies??

crab cakes and beer bits! woohoo!

[GeneralStriker]

I'M A RETARD. THANK YOU. I KNOW I'M A RETARD. NOTHING NEW THERE.finally some fucking truth outa ya.

[skunk]

Here's something else to piss y'all off, but its not really news (however it is related to this thread).

Americans Are Living And Dying In A Militarized Police State (http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norfolk-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Americans-Are-Living-And-Dying-In-A-Militarized-Police-State)

Police get bigger toys, gangs upgrade, so on and so forth until we're all fucked.

[offsite:2rw7fyef]Today, police departments across the United States more closely resemble an occupying army than they do public servants responding to calls for help. Police officers can now be seen wearing helmets and body armor and carrying AR-15&#39;s, just to deliver simple warrants. The militarization of our police departments not only gives the appearance of a military dictatorship but places the public at great risk.

No less than 70 percent of U.S. cities now have SWAT teams. In cities with a population of 50,000 or more, 90 percent have SWAT teams.

Eastern Kentucky University professor Peter Kraska told the Washington Post that SWAT teams are currently sent out 40,000 times a year in the U.S. During the 1980&#39;s, SWAT teams were only used 3,000 times a year. Most of the time, SWAT teams are being sent out to simply serve warrants on non-violent drug offenders.

Many municipalities are using Homeland Security grants to even purchase large armored vehicles. The Pittsburgh Police Department now uses their 20-ton armored truck complete with rotating turret and gun ports to deliver many of their warrants. Pittsburgh Police Sgt. Barry Budd recently told the Associate Press: "We live on being prepared for &#39;what if&#39;."

The training being given at many police academies appears to be the type of tactics one would use in Baghdad, rather than Baltimore. It would seem that our police officers are being readied for war, with the American public as the enemy. In the last several years, there has been a transformation from community policing to pre-emptive assaults

On January 24, 2006, Dr. Salvatore Culosi was shot and killed outside his house by a Fairfax County SWAT officer. Police used the SWAT team to serve a documents search warrant, after Dr. Culosi came under suspicion for taking sports bets. The investigation began after Fairfax Detective David Baucom solicited a bet with Dr. Culosi at a local sports bar.

Dr. Culosi was standing outside his home while talking with Det. Baucom, when SWAT Officer Deval Bullock quickly approached with his gun drawn and fatally shot Dr. Culosi in the chest. Court documents report that Culosi never made any threatening movements and made no attempt to run as he watched the SWAT team move in around him.

Dr. Culosi had no history of violence nor any criminal history whatsoever. He operated two successful optometry clinics at Wal-Marts in Manassas and Warrenton, Va. His parents have filed a $12 million lawsuit against the county of Fairfax, Va.

On the night of January 17, 2008, a police SWAT team surrounded Ryan Frederick´s home in Chesapeake, Va. The police were there to serve a drug warrant based on a tip from a criminal informant.

As usual, 28 year-old Ryan Frederick had gone to sleep early in order to leave the house before dawn for his job with a soda distributor. He awoke to a commotion of screams and the distinct sound of someone breaking down his front door.

Frederick´s house had been broken into a few days earlier, being a slight man of only a little over 100 pounds, Frederick feared for his safety. After the break-in, he purchased a gun.

Understandably frightened, Frederick grabbed his gun and when he got to the front of his house, he saw a man trying to crawl through the bottom portion of his door. Terrified that the intruders had returned, he fired.

The man he shot was not an aggressive burglar, nor a drug-crazed murderer, he was Det. Jarrod Shivers. The police detective and military veteran died almost immediately. Frederick was charged with first-degree murder and now sits in a jail cell awaiting trial.

As for the marijuana-growing operation for which police were looking, nothing was found. Only a very small amount of marijuana was discovered on the Frederick property, only enough to charge him with misdemeanor possession. Frederick has admitted that he uses marijuana occasionally but has never been involved with producing nor selling the drug.

Ryan Frederick has no prior history of violence, nor any criminal history whatsoever. He took care of his grandmother until her death two years ago, had a full-time job, and recently became engaged. In his spare time, he worked in his yard and tended to his Koi pond…Not quite the drug kingpin type!

However, based solely on the word of an informant, police obtained a warrant and stormed into this man´s house in the dark of night. The information turned out to be false, a police officer and father of three is dead, and a decent young man´s life is now over.

When Ryan Frederick awoke to the sounds of his home being invaded, he did what many of us would do. He acted reasonably when he grabbed his gun to defend himself and fired at a man who he believed was breaking into his home to do him harm.

Had the police simply went to his home during the daytime and knocked on his door, they could have questioned Frederick and found their information to be groundless. A little traditional police work could have saved the life of a police officer and the Shivers and Frederick families would have remained whole.

Frederick was eventually convicted of voluntary manslaughter and is now servin ga 10-year prison sentence.

The Ryan Frederick story is truly frightening because this same scenario could play itself out in your home or mine. In the age of militarized police departments, we are all in danger.

Here are a few more recent victims of our militarized police departments:

In 2008, a La Plata County Sheriff&#39;s Department SWAT team burst into the mobile home at 74 Hidden Lane in search of a methamphetamine dealer. Unfortunately, they were supposed to carry-out the raid at 82 Hidden Lane.

As they rushed in, they shoved the homeowner, Virginia Herrick, 77 onto the floor and separated her from the oxygen tube she requires in order to breathe. The police did not realize their mistake until they had already handcuffed Herrick.

Herrick told reporters: "They didn&#39;t give me a chance to ask for a search warrant or see a search warrant or anything. I&#39;m not about to argue with those big old guys, especially when they&#39;ve got guns and those big old sledgehammers."

In 2007, Marva Morris received a call at work from neighbors, telling her home in Chesapeake, VA was surrounded by police officers. By the time she arrived home, her house was in shambles.

Acting on a bad tip, a SWAT team stormed the single mother’s home looking for a suspect, who Morris had actually taken-out a warrant against. Police shot-out windows, filled the home with tear gas, busted-out windows and doors, shot holes into mattresses, and even tossed clothes out of the windows. No one was home at the time.

Of course, the home was uninhabitable for Morris and the six children she is raising. When she demanded that police repair her home, she was given a business card with a number to city&#39;s Risk Management Department and told that she could submit a claim. Cit y officials decided to pay for the full restoration of her home, only after the case received a great deal of media attention.

In 2006, 92 year old Kathryn Johnston was shot 39 times by an Atlanta Swat team. Johnson was so fearful that she never left her home and would only open her door after friends who placed her groceries on the front porch had left. An erroneous tip from an informant was enough for the Atlanta Police Department to invade her home. Police have since admitted to lying to obtain a search warrant and to planting drugs in her home after killing her.


In 2006, Thibodeaux, LA residents Mike Lefort, 61, and his mother, Thelma, 83, were both thrown to the ground as a SWAT team burst into the wrong house with a "no knock" warrant. Thelma who suffered from hypertension nearly had a stroke. The police chief eventually offered them an apology.

In 2006, a 52 member SWAT team stormed into a Denver home in search of a friendly small-stakes poker game. The same thing happened a few months later when SWAT and K-9 units barged in on a charity poker game in Baltimore.

In 2005, Cheryl Lynn Noel, a mom was shot by police for picking up her legally registered handgun. She went for her gun to defend herself after a SWAT broke into her Baltimore, MD home at 4:30 a.m.. Police stormed her house that night because they claim to have found marijuana seeds in the family&#39;s trash can.

In 1994, Rev. Acelyne Williams, 75 of Boston, died of a heart attack after a SWAT team broke into his home. Police actually had the wrong address.

When someone straps on body armor and large caliber weapons, their adrenalin levels begin to surge. As they arrive at the scene, those levels increase. When these now militarized police officers actually break into a dark home and begin shouting at terrified citizens, severe injury and death is likely to occur. It is beyond reason to employ these tactics on anyone other than hardened, violent criminals.

SWAT teams were created in the wake of the 1966 University of Texas sniper shooting spree by ex-marine Charles Whitman. Police did not have the firepower to reach Whitman, who was perched atop the 27-story clock tower. Civilians with hunting rifles came to the scene and joined with police in the effort to stop Whitman.

Eventually, police officers and a well-armed citizen scaled the stairs of the tower and killed Whitman, but not before he killed 17 people and injured another 31. As a result of the incident, police departments began to assemble small teams of highly trained officers with equipment specific to sniper shootings, hostage situations, bank robberies, etc.

SWAT teams were designed to deal with very violent individuals who represent a clear and present threat to the public. However, they are now being used to execute warrants on non-violent offenders and even those who have no prior criminal history at all. Turning our neighborhood cops into shock troops will do nothing but erode public confidence in the police and endanger the lives of innocent Americans.

In 2008, Springfield, MA Police Commissioner William Fitchet announced that his department´s Street Crimes Unit would begin wearing military-style black uniforms, to instill a sense of "fear."

In my opinion, whether they know it or not, our police departments are being prepared for the declaration of martial law and an all-out war in our streets. Why else would every community both large and small across this nation need a small military force?[/offsite:2rw7fyef]

[torbjon]

I'M A RETARD. THANK YOU. I KNOW I'M A RETARD. NOTHING NEW THERE.finally some fucking truth outa ya.

*bursts out laughing!* have I Ever denied my pointy little head? Or the little dick, for that matter. I am Such a loser. Remember, I live alone, in a basement, and I'm White *shudders* Now if only I could get obscenely fat I'd have it made in the shade.

[devilwasp]

May I cut in here?


Just out of curiousity, who the fuck are you, anyway, Snow Crash? No name, no face, no location, a real nobody from nowhere. Very brave behind your mask you are. Anyone know who this numbnut is?

Oh! oh! oh! oh! I know him! He's umm.....aww dang I forgot ah well.......

Come on man, are you seriously going to start this argument? Really?


At least I have a name, a face, folks can find me, my kid, my employer, my street address, my phone number, my email, I'm an easily executed open book. Go ahead and snipe me, fire bomb me, kidnap my kid, make my life a living hell.

That's how afraid of YOU I am.

O.o Ummmm okay.......I'm sensing a little hostility here, I might be wrong, but it feels like your a little angry....

No offence but I'd rather not have people on-line be able to track me down and find where I live.....not a paranoid conspiracy reason...it just well.....no offence but you worry me and I'd rather not have a person like you knowing where my family lives....



Why are you so afraid of me? Why sling shit from behind a bush while wearing mask? Very chicken shit, that, and childish.

Sure, most of the folks I chat with here have goofy names and silly avatars, but the bulk of them have also come forth and said to me, "hey, this is who I REALLY am." at some point or another...

Ummm okay if your really that obsessed with knowing names mine is Al' , yours?


Not you though... decided to take offense at some numbnut remark I made, and hell bent on leather to hold onto that hatred, ain'tcha?

good luck with life, bub. Until you grow up, welcome to my shit list.

(addendum to add: "So you are here because...?" 'cause I'm a numbnut, just like everybody else. We're all bozos on this bus)
Hmmm guess people arent allowed to take offence at things , meh fair enough....

- Devil'

[Disgustipated]

Disgustipated: I seem to recall your avatar associated with another screen name... am I really that retarded?


Yes

[GeneralStriker]

I am Such a loser.don't be so hard on yourself. your main competition just bought the ranch.

[GeneralStriker]

May I cut in here?hell if that's all you've got offer, why bother?

[torbjon]

Skunk: great story. That's what I'm on about. Now it's swat teams, but that exact same kind of shit was going on by 'normal' cops when I was a kid...

bust down the door, haul you away... oh, sorry, we got the wrong guy.

it's been going on my whole life.

[Snow Crash]

he's sure got a rage on now though, don't he? *laughs*

Clearly. Observe how I rage. RARRGH


SNOW! FOR FUCKS SAKE, CHILL OUT!! I honestly don't give a rats ass about you anymore. You've turned into a busted record with bad lyrics.

Oh how quickly your fixation with finding out info on me has passed! Dontcha love me no mo'? *sniff*


I GET THE POINT! YOU HATE MY FUCKING GUTS AND I'M A RETARD.

Well clearly you DON'T...


THANK YOU

YOU'RE WELCOME


you call it "caution", I call it "terrified". I refuse to live a life of terror. I refuse to let my kid live her life in terror. We may die tomorrow, but we won't die in fear.

Admirable, and fair play for having that conviction. But you seem confuse living to fight another day/not offering yourself on a silver platter with living in fear. Might wanna rethink that.

[GeneralStriker]

here's the final solution.

http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?avatar=265_1213577323.gif
turn on and tune in...

[Alessandra]

mm that spliff is looking mighty tasty. Also skunk, ty for the article. Thats some scary shit right there.

[skunk]

If you ever want to be scared armed thugs are going to kick your door in, let me know and I'll be there for you.

[torbjon]

*nibbles on some beer bits* where we at?

devilwasp: Al, huh, nice name. HI Al.

Am I seriously going to advocate that people shouldn't live a life of fear? Nope. By all means, live in fear. Hide under the covers. Buy into the propaganda. Crawl down into that deep dark hole where it's "safe". Live forever... in fear... like rabbits.

Or

dance naked in the sunshine knowing full well that Some folks are gonna laugh out loud at your little dick, scold you, ridicule you, maybe even kill you for it...

nice tan though.

Hostility? Naw, not really,,, Snow gets what Snow shovels... right now the Snow is a little yellow. I'm sure it will clear up in time... kinda like acne.

Disgustipated: It would seem that many others agree with you, might makes right, I am a retard. *shrugs* Woulda swore I'd seen that picture somewhere / someone else... at RU maybe... oh well, that's the joy of being a retard, I get to be happy in my stupidity.

General BE: "don't be so hard on yourself. your main competition just bought the ranch." um, would that be michael or farah? I don't recall either ever being labeled 'brainiac'...

hey, where'd Snow go? I thought we were gonna sling shit? Maybe checkin' up on me? (woohoo! site stats!! gotta love 'em)

[Alessandra]

nah, Im chatting with him elsewhere.

Skunk: thanks man, Ill let you know <_< :roll: :lol:

[Snow Crash]

Snow gets what Snow shovels... right now the Snow is a little yellow. I'm sure it will clear up in time... kinda like acne.

So if we are to go back in this thread, you mean to say your first contrinution to this thread was not loaded with hostility, which then resulted in you getting comprehensively fucking owned by all and sundry?

I know you are trying hard to save face, but revisionist history is just shit tactics.


hey, where'd Snow go? I thought we were gonna sling shit? Maybe checkin' up on me? (woohoo! site stats!! gotta love 'em)

Maybe read the page properly before posting? And how many times, slag? You are irrelevant.

[torbjon]

Oh, Snow, there you are... you know, your selective quoting is just like Bill and Mark, hard to follow and a tad cheeky. Deconstruction is easy, and not really alla that productive, either... any chance of putting things together into a cohesive whole?

Basically all I'm getting from you is that I'm all wrong and yer all right... or something.

Primarily I'm seeing a Personal thing directed specifically at ME, (if so, fine) and not an Issue thing... but I'm retarded, remember? So... learn the dumbfuck a new trick... what Exactly are you on about? I mean, we get the fact that I'm stupid, okay... AND? is there anything else? Are you trying to bully me into some train of thought? Am I supposed to vote for something or buy some product? What's the game, dude?

All I'm on about is that I practice what I preach, and I make it pretty easy for folks to VET me... that's kind of important in the CT world, ya know? If you wanna be taken seriously, that is. Any numbnut can hide behind a fake name and make wild claims and accusations... stick your Real name and face to it, AND add your family in there as well... kinda takes it up a notch, don'tcha think? Now when I make some wild assed claim, folks like you really Can dig into my past and Verify the information that I present as factual.

We can't do that with you. At least, I can't do that with you.... so I just don't have much faith in anything you say... yer a nobody from nowhere... and not a very entertaining one.

Yellow snow, here we go.

yer turn.

[torbjon]

Snow: yep, I came in hot and heavy. Disgustipated made some comments and asked some questions. A few others asked some questions. YER the only dude to go ballistic on me. No one has "owned" me yet.

[Alessandra]

ok kids, time for the srs bsns.

[torbjon]

ok kids, time for the srs bsns.

ummmm... okayyy... do I have to grab my ankles for that?

[Alessandra]

damn right! :lol:

I just figure we should get back on track, since you and snow spent a page and a half bickering. Now I forgot the topic! Shit.

[torbjon]

oh, had to look it up, yes. back to serious business. I'll put this aside for now and dig out the latex self pleasuring device. back to business...

um, oh, ya, Police State Bad! Boo Police State!

edit to add: Thanks Allessandra, got caught up in the moment.

[torbjon]

Ya, so, police state, BAD... SNOW! you seem like a wise, patient, and level headed person. What's your take on this whole 'police state' issue? Any ideas on how to combat it? Some words of wisdom for our personal protection, perhaps? Anything?

[Alessandra]

I think he's passed out from the sheer excitement of raging.

I may get carried away, and 'with the moment', but I do see the practicality of analysing a situation. Some instances its really hard to do that.

[Snow Crash]

Oh, Snow, there you are... you know, your selective quoting is just like Bill and Mark, hard to follow and a tad cheeky. Deconstruction is easy, and not really alla that productive, either... any chance of putting things together into a cohesive whole?

Oh wow, so this is the tactic now? Am I Springer? Or maybe Bill? You sad little cunt. You're really trying now aren't you? See, I already KNOW I got you, cos you keep pulling random shit out of the bag and trying to splice it into this argument. Desperate.

And I believe anyone reading back through this thread will see that while I have shredded your posts and tackled them peice by peice, not one quote has been taken out of context. Yet more desperate tactics. And if you have a hard time reading it? Too bad. Maybe learn to read better?


Basically all I'm getting from you is that I'm all wrong and yer all right... or something.

Funny, all I am getting from you is you talking shit, getting dealt with, and not having anything amounting to a decent response.


Primarily I'm seeing a Personal thing directed specifically at ME, (if so, fine) and not an Issue thing...

There is only a personal thing as long as you continue to give it the large. What about that seems to escape your attention? Chances are there would not be an issue if you came into the thread without insulting everyone.


but I'm retarded, remember? So... learn the dumbfuck a new trick... what Exactly are you on about? I mean, we get the fact that I'm stupid, okay... AND? is there anything else? Are you trying to bully me into some train of thought? Am I supposed to vote for something or buy some product? What's the game, dude?

LOL. Wow... you weren't kidding about being retarded.


All I'm on about is that I practice what I preach, and I make it pretty easy for folks to VET me... that's kind of important in the CT world, ya know? If you wanna be taken seriously, that is. Any numbnut can hide behind a fake name and make wild claims and accusations... stick your Real name and face to it, AND add your family in there as well... kinda takes it up a notch, don'tcha think?

So you're willing to put all details on your family etc etc online for everyone to see, just so some people might believe you? Please tell me you're fucking kidding me.


Now when I make some wild assed claim, folks like you really Can dig into my past and Verify the information that I present as factual.

Yes, I can see it now.

Disgustipated: "Hey, Torbjon reckons he got abducted by anal probe weilding aliens, given an implant, then taken to the vatican where the Pope threatened to have him assassinated by warrior monks if he ever told anyone."

Snow Crash: "Well, I for one belive him, cos his name is xxxx and he lives at xxxxxxxxxx, and thats his kid in his avatar"


We can't do that with you. At least, I can't do that with you.... so I just don't have much faith in anything you say... yer a nobody from nowhere... and not a very entertaining one.

So why do you keep coming back for more then, pussyface? Your ego won't let you let go, and you're trying to paint me in a negative light only makes you look like a cockjuggling thundercunt. You have an issue with people not splashing info for all to see, then maybe the Internet isn't the place for you.

[torbjon]

Alessandra:

Naw, you made a good call. We really needed to take that into the bedroom, anyway. Thanks for bringing it back down a notch.

Now then, Police State. How do we fix this? Obviously conventional methods aren't going to work... in my pointy little head that leaves the five thousand year old tried and true method: Storm the castle, behead the monarch, and put our own monarch up there. Now then, at the risk of starting another tizzy fit, Snow lead me to believe that me saying as such earlier made me a retard or something... but I dunno dude, it's always worked in the past, ya know?

Gig is, a lotta folks tend to die what that happens. "Innocent" folks. And the monarch seldom just sits there and lets it happen, they tend to fight back, hard and dirty... sooo, ya gotta be prepared for that, right? Can't just hit the castle, gotta hit the docks as well, and the roads, etc. or else reinforcements are gonna up from behind and wipe you out...

and once we 'remove' those that are there now, who and what is gonna fill the void?

I Know those questions make a fucktard, so be it, but Somebody has gotta ask 'em.

[torbjon]

Snow, you've used the phrase "I KNOW" so much now, that it's a wonder you're still here. You wanna take this to the bedroom, or do you insist on ruining this thread with off topic rants against me personally?

[Snow Crash]

You wanna take this to the bedroom, or do you insist on ruining this thread with off topic rants against me personally?

If you wish for a truce, then fine. Consider proceedings trucified. And not the fake Israeli kind either...

[Alessandra]

regardless of what we or they do, innocents will die, unfortunately. The goal, besides getting 'what we want' is to minimise the amount of innocent deaths/collateral damage.

[torbjon]

Snow: nope, no truce. Just start a "bash torb" thread somewhere else and have at it. No more sex between you and me in this thread.

Alessandra: Okay, so, the next thing after beheading the monarch is the ever popular "infiltrate the system" gig... problem with that is that it seldom works, and Never seems to work 'quickly'... That's kinda what our folks generation did, right? Rebel hippy becomes complacent yuppy, becomes fat old republican fuck... Took a loooong time from emancipation to the first black president, ya know? ie infiltration is very slow...

"public awareness' is out. The public actually has to be Aware and willing to mobilize for that to have much of an impact... Despite how fucking EASY it is / was to simply 'boycott table grapes' (and JUST table grapes, not wine, not jelly, not juice, GRAPES from the produce section, that was IT) the public still found that too hard to do, even though they (in theory) supported the cause. If folks then couldn't even give up ONE cruddy piece of fruit in order to help the world be a better place... well... what makes us think folks today are gonna be any better?

[Snow Crash]

Snow: nope, no truce. Just start a "bash torb" thread somewhere else and have at it. No more sex between you and me in this thread.

Nah. If you want a thread, you start it. You're not that important, you egotistical cocksmoking fuckwit. Like I said, you don't want shit being thrown at you? Don't come in en randome with big hostility.

It really is THAT simple. I know you have issues grasping that, but just meditate upon it, and ignore your bruised ego for just a moment.

[Cogburn]

Hey torb... super smite on your super rant...

Nope... you didn't go looking for trouble... it found you.

End result is the same: A healthy understanding of the very real impact of unintended consequences.

Within this thread we seem to be a minority.

It's all good in the final analysis. When the shit hits the fan the one thing you don't want to be is fodder.

I'll leave that to other people while I begin to win the war.

[torbjon]

Snow: so where done now, great. Back to the topic at hand.

Was it you who said we should use the same weapons / armor / tactics as "the bad guys" in order to insure our ability to resupply ourselves?

Regardless, care to comment on that either way? I personally don't see that as being feasible. My gun runners can't get that shit... British Infields by the boatload, yes... modern crap? Raises too many flags...

There's also the ever popular (and totally legal) "just don't do it" campaign.... and it actually works... especially if Millions of people do it (or rather, Don't do it.)

Don't send your kids to school. Don't go to work. Don't pay your bills or pay your taxes. Don't drive your car. Take all your cash out of the bank and Don't use the bank. Don't use your credit card. Don't use the internet (for those few weeks you have it before they shut you off, that is) etc. etc. etc.

Be prepared to stay holed up in your house for a few months... they Will shut off your water and power, best if you can have rent paid up so they don't try to evict you, but even then, Don't give up...

The system is pretty fragile... pretty much like living hand to mouth... if just 10% of the people actually Did the "don't do nuthin'" thing I would suspect a measurable impact on the system in general, yes? Great attention getter, tha's fer sure.

(addendum: Thanks Cog... you da dude.)

[GeneralStriker]

it's called a General Strike and it's the most powerful weapon that we the people possess.

[torbjon]

Snow: nope, no truce. Just start a "bash torb" thread somewhere else and have at it. No more sex between you and me in this thread.

Nah. If you want a thread, you start it. You're not that important, you egotistical cocksmoking fuckwit. Like I said, you don't want shit being thrown at you? Don't come in en randome with big hostility.

It really is THAT simple. I know you have issues grasping that, but just meditate upon it, and ignore your bruised ego for just a moment.


Actually, Snow, no, we're NOT done. I was gonna just let it all slide and give up and go back to havin' fun again, but another read of this line by you:

"Don't come in en randome with big hostility."

made me change my mind.

Who The Fuck Are You To Tell Me What I Can And Can't Do? Fuck you pig. Fuck you COP. Fuck You you authoritarian dictator. I'll do whatever I want, whenever I want, where ever I want. And I will FULLY accept the consequences of my actions. If that means living with your bullshit, so be it. I won't let you bully me or brow beat me into your bitch.

Now run and get your billy club and your mace so you can try to force your will on me, pig.

YES, you have phenomenal cosmic powers. But NO, you can't break my will. Yer being a jack booted thug and it's wearing thin.

[Snow Crash]

it's called a General Strike and it's the most powerful weapon that we the people possess.

Not the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique?

[torbjon]

it's called a General Strike and it's the most powerful weapon that we the people possess.

ya, I know... but ya gotta get the folks to actually DO IT... remember how hard it was for folks to give up just Grapes? Imagine trying to get them to give up alla that crap that they truly believe to be 'necessities' *shudders* Like pullin' teeth from a hen.

[torbjon]

General BE:

Oh, and shame on you for misleading me like that. You, sir, get a slap in the face with a wet noodle.

[Eyeforalie]

We were voicing your disgust over the topic.

Some of us arnt washed up.

Some of want to actually make a difference NOW.

Put plans here...yea right

[Snow Crash]

Actually, Snow, no, we're NOT done. I was gonna just let it all slide and give up and go back to havin' fun again,

OOO you told big porkie pies when you said a truce wasn't on then didn't you.


Who The Fuck Are You To Tell Me What I Can And Can't Do? Fuck you pig. Fuck you COP. Fuck You you authoritarian dictator. I'll do whatever I want, whenever I want, where ever I want. And I will FULLY accept the consequences of my actions. If that means living with your bullshit, so be it. I won't let you bully me or brow beat me into your bitch.

LMFAO

I need to get a screen dump of this and frame it. It's THAT good.

Riddle me this, Batman... If you can live with the consequences of your actions, why are you throwing major tantrums? If you knew major shit was gonna be thrown back at you, then why pick a fight?

You really are an illogical sack of shit. I am not ORDERING you to do anything, man. You can do what you like. I am telling you something that should be logical to any sane fucking human being. Cause and Effect. Know that one?


Now run and get your billy club and your mace so you can try to force your will on me, pig.

Can I use tonfas and hairspray? Mace makes me sneeze.


YES, you have phenomenal cosmic powers.

MUAHAHAHAHAAAAHHHH!!!!!!111eleven


But NO, you can't break my will.

Can I fracture it just a little? Pweese?


Yer being a jack booted thug and it's wearing thin.

ROFL

Fuck... you know what man. I don't care what you think of me. I like you, you make me laugh.

[Alessandra]

We were voicing your disgust over the topic.

Some of us arnt washed up.

Some of want to actually make a difference NOW.

Put plans here...yea right


we obviously need to go underground.

[torbjon]

Okay Eye, so how do we go about organizing a nation wide (or global) General Strike? I've always advocated that our best 'vote' is with our dollar... we've been lead to believe that 'the economy' is very fragile right now... soooo, a large labor strike or a large purchasing strike (boycott) should be a real attention getter, yes?

Yes, they have all the guns, but we're the slaves that Make the guns...

Snow, get over it. As mentioned by someone else, I didn't pick this fight, it picked me. Touch me, I touch you back. That's how I live. Seems to me you live the same way. Tha's cool. I can live with that. I'm still waiting for my reach around, though.

[Snow Crash]

Touch me, I touch you back.

Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story

Nicely done.

[Cogburn]

We were voicing your disgust over the topic.

Some of us arnt washed up.

Some of want to actually make a difference NOW.

Put plans here...yea right


we obviously need to go underground.
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[Alessandra]

sorry what? I was speaking to Eye, not you, go fuck off please.

I honestly dont see why all of a fucking sudden you had to come out of left field and peg me with retarded shit. What the fuck did I do this time?

[torbjon]

Touch me, I touch you back.

Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story

Nicely done.

ya, whatever, where's my reach around?

[Eyeforalie]

ya, whatever, where's my reach around?

Dutch rudder



sorry what? I was speaking to Eye, not you, go fuck off please.

I was really trying to not say that...outloud.
I dont know enough yet.

Im starting.

[Snow Crash]

Touch me, I touch you back.

Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story

Nicely done.

ya, whatever, where's my reach around?

I'll ask Kacen to fix you up.

[Alessandra]

lets use Pack's Amazing Destructable Servers. :)

[Eyeforalie]

Chi. Stop talking.

[Cogburn]

sorry what? I was speaking to Eye, not you, go fuck off please.

I honestly dont see why all of a fucking sudden you had to come out of left field and peg me with retarded shit. What the fuck did I do this time?


Chi. Stop talking.

Now do you get it?

[Eyeforalie]

[imgs=:nsc4teyx]http://www.tfhp.org/images/foil.jpg[/imgs:nsc4teyx]


for the whole group....since most of you seem to have lost it.

[torbjon]

I'll ask Kacen to fix you up.

no passing the buck. you did the dirty, you finish it. lube optional. two strokes and yer done. it's That easy.

Allessandra: I'm not sure that even the mighty Pack with his servers of Superness could do it... somehow the idea of 'civil disobedience' needs to be made not only Cool, but Correct and Socially Acceptable... kinda like GREEN only better.

[Snow Crash]

[imgs=:21y6eb0h]http://www.tfhp.org/images/foil.jpg[/imgs:21y6eb0h]


for the whole group....since most of you seem to have lost it.

AH ONCE
WAS LAWST
BUT NOW
AHM FOUND
WAS BLAHND
BUT NOW AH SEE

Or something like that.

[Alessandra]

fuck. God damn it. Sorry Cog. I get a little defensive. I'm shutting the fuck up, and getting the fuck out. =\

[GeneralStriker]

somehow the idea of 'civil disobedience' needs to be made not only Cool, but Correct and Socially Acceptable... kinda like GREEN only better.Wiemar style inflation and 40% foreclosure rates oughta do it. Take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning.

[Snow Crash]

no passing the buck.

Well technically, it would be passing a cock...

[GeneralStriker]

I'm shutting the fuck up, and getting the fuck out. =\oh for crissakes...

[Alessandra]

I'm shutting the fuck up, and getting the fuck out. =\oh for crissakes...

what?

[GeneralStriker]

just stick around.

[torbjon]

no passing the buck.

Well technically, it would be passing a cock...

*chuckles* Works for me, I'm good. time for a cigarette

[Alessandra]

lol. I am. Im just shutting the fuck up for the most part.

[torbjon]

somehow the idea of 'civil disobedience' needs to be made not only Cool, but Correct and Socially Acceptable... kinda like GREEN only better.Wiemar style inflation and 40% foreclosure rates oughta do it. Take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning.

ya, something a little less bitter would be nice, though... waiting for shit to get sooo bad that the people Finally wake up really seems like a last resort... and sort of a cop out, too...

gig is, like you, I've been doing this kinda shit off and on my whole like, and organizing people to do Anything is a royal pain in the ass, even if it's something they Want to do. Getting them to do shit they Don't want to do, that might even get them killed *sighs* again, pulling teeth from a hen.

There's been good folks out there trying to organize a good, simple, old fashioned Tax Revolt my entire life... and no real luck at it. I'm in on that. I don't file taxes. They take what they can get, I pay the over the counter stuff, but I don't file. I'm in boat loads of trouble and owe oodles in back taxes for it, but feel it's the 'right' thing to do and the only way to make my 'vote' count... it also means I can't accept employment over the poverty level, which kinda sucks, but whatever... anyone else here not file taxes? What would it take to get you to just stop filing?

[GeneralStriker]

here's the thing, torb. the state has fucked itself. the house of cards is tumbling. the 'wait for shit to get sooo bad' is about over. we'll soon be squatters in our own homes and there won't be nearly enough thugs to evict us. that's a boycott, in fact- even if not by choice. there will soon be no jobs so it won't be necessary to quit one. that's a general strike in fact- if not by choice. what comes next? who knows? maybe we'll revert to hunting and gathering. it really doesn't matter. life is only worth living when it is interesting. and whatever comes next will certainly be that. the way i see- we're all condemned to death on this popsicle stand of a backwater planet. what difference does it make when, where or how?

[torbjon]

"life is only worth living when it is interesting. and whatever comes next will certainly be that. the way i see- we're all condemned to death on this popsicle stand of a backwater planet. what difference does it make when, where or how?"

amen to that comrade, amen to that.

5]IZGHTkmhxgQ5]

[Eyeforalie]

I havnt filed taxes in 2 years.

Fuck em.

I call taxation without representation based on broken campaign promises and the outlandish effort it takes to even get a phone call into a Senator, let alone a meeting. Ive tried.

[torbjon]

(far out with the taxes, btw)

I've tried that argument with the basic population many times in the past, and they don't seem to get it... the ol' "unfair representation" thing...

back in the day, our population was such and such, our representation was such and such, and that's the system we all agreed upon and set up... and it worked okay for awhile...

now our population is this HUGE number, but representation hasn't expanded to encompass that with the same ratios we had 'in the old days'...

I especially felt that way in Alaska... it was a real King George scenario... some numbnut three thousand miles away layin' down the lay, layin' down the taxes, and zip for representation... and because of the time zones and the electoral vote system, our vote NEVER counted in determining our leader... we were a freek state, a so what state, a who cares state... same with Hawaii... like their vote ever counted for Anything...

I have No Clue what to replace the existing system with though... I somehow doubt that More congress and senate members would fix that...

I used to feel that Teddy Roosevelt was right when he said that the average person could and would make fewer mistakes in the day in, day out, governance of this nation than an elite, educated, special class of politician would... but I keep meeting really stupid people... or, conversely, I keep meeting people who take great joy in pointing out how stupid I am, either way, it kinda blows that theory all to hell...

Any ideas on how to get our representatives back under our thumbs where they belong?

[Eyeforalie]

First I think that the word has to be spread regarding H.R. 1207 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1207)

[Eyeforalie]

Co-sponsors [spoiler:r5atuu48]HR 1207 Co-Sponsors (as of 6/25/2009)

Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 2/26/2009
Rep Aderholt, Robert B. [AL-4] - 5/6/2009
Rep Adler, John H. [NJ-3] - 5/6/2009
Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 3/19/2009
Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 3/10/2009
Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 5/20/2009
Rep Austria, Steve [OH-7] - 5/6/2009
Rep Bachmann, Michele [MN-6] - 2/26/2009
Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 4/29/2009
Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] - 4/21/2009
Rep Barrett, J. Gresham [SC-3] - 4/28/2009
Rep Barrow, John [GA-12] - 5/12/2009
Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 2/26/2009
Rep Barton, Joe [TX-6] - 5/4/2009
Rep Berkley, Shelley [NV-1] - 5/21/2009
Rep Berry, Marion [AR-1] - 5/20/2009
Rep Biggert, Judy [IL-13] - 4/28/2009
Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] - 4/21/2009
Rep Bilirakis, Gus M. [FL-9] - 5/4/2009
Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1] - 4/21/2009
Rep Blackburn, Marsha [TN-7] - 3/16/2009
Rep Blunt, Roy [MO-7] - 3/24/2009
Rep Boehner, John A. [OH-8] - 6/10/2009
Rep Bonner, Jo [AL-1] - 6/9/2009
Rep Bono Mack, Mary [CA-45] - 4/29/2009
Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 5/7/2009
Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 6/9/2009
Rep Boustany, Charles W., Jr. [LA-7] - 5/13/2009
Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 4/22/2009
Rep Braley, Bruce L. [IA-1] - 6/11/2009
Rep Bright, Bobby [AL-2] - 6/11/2009
Rep Broun, Paul C. [GA-10] - 2/26/2009
Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 6/11/2009
Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 4/28/2009
Rep Brown-Waite, Ginny [FL-5] - 5/20/2009
Rep Buchanan, Vern [FL-13] - 3/17/2009
Rep Burgess, Michael C. [TX-26] - 3/19/2009
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 2/26/2009
Rep Buyer, Steve [IN-4] - 4/30/2009
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 4/29/2009
Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] - 6/18/2009
Rep Campbell, John [CA-48] - 5/4/2009
Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] - 6/23/2009
Rep Cao, Anh “Joseph” [LA-2] - 6/11/2009
Rep Capito, Shelley Moore [WV-2] - 4/1/2009
Rep Carney, Christopher P. [PA-10] - 6/9/2009
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 3/31/2009
Rep Cassidy, Bill [LA-6] - 5/4/2009
Rep Castle, Michael N. [DE] - 3/17/2009
Rep Chaffetz, Jason [UT-3] - 3/6/2009
Rep Childers, Travis [MS-1] - 6/9/2009
Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] - 6/11/2009
Rep Coffman, Mike [CO-6] - 6/16/2009
Rep Cole, Tom [OK-4] - 4/21/2009
Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 5/7/2009
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 6/23/2009
Rep Crenshaw, Ander [FL-4] - 5/4/2009
Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 3/26/2009
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 5/6/2009
Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] - 3/23/2009
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 3/9/2009
Rep Dent, Charles W. [PA-15] - 5/6/2009
Rep Diaz-Balart, Mario [FL-25] - 6/18/2009
Rep Doggett, Lloyd [TX-25] - 4/21/2009
Rep Dreier, David [CA-26] - 6/10/2009
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 3/6/2009
Rep Edwards, Chet [TX-17] - 6/16/2009
Rep Edwards, Donna F. [MD-4] - 6/11/2009
Rep Ehlers, Vernon J. [MI-3] - 4/21/2009
Rep Fallin, Mary [OK-5] - 4/2/2009
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 5/11/2009
Rep Fleming, John [LA-4] - 3/18/2009
Rep Forbes, J. Randy [VA-4] - 5/20/2009
Rep Fortenberry, Jeff [NE-1] - 5/12/2009
Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 3/10/2009
Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 3/23/2009
Rep Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. [NJ-11] - 6/3/2009
Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] - 3/5/2009
Rep Gerlach, Jim [PA-6] - 5/11/2009
Rep Giffords, Gabrielle [AZ-8] - 6/16/2009
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 3/30/2009
Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] - 4/23/2009
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 4/28/2009
Rep Granger, Kay [TX-12] - 4/28/2009
Rep Graves, Sam [MO-6] - 4/22/2009
Rep Grayson, Alan [FL-8] - 3/11/2009
Rep Griffith, Parker [AL-5] - 6/16/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 6/3/2009
Rep Guthrie, Brett [KY-2] - 5/7/2009
Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 4/29/2009
Rep Halvorson, Deborah L. [IL-11] - 6/3/2009
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 5/11/2009
Rep Harper, Gregg [MS-3] - 5/11/2009
Rep Hastings, Doc [WA-4] - 5/11/2009
Rep Heller, Dean [NV-2] - 3/6/2009
Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 5/4/2009
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 4/21/2009
Rep Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie [SD] - 5/6/2009
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 6/2/2009
Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 4/28/2009
Rep Holden, Tim [PA-17] - 6/4/2009
Rep Hunter, Duncan D. [CA-52] - 5/13/2009
Rep Inglis, Bob [SC-4] - 4/23/2009
Rep Inslee, Jay [WA-1] - 5/12/2009
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 6/16/2009
Rep Jenkins, Lynn [KS-2] - 4/23/2009
Rep Johnson, Henry C. “Hank,” Jr. [GA-4] - 6/9/2009
Rep Johnson, Sam [TX-3] - 4/22/2009
Rep Johnson, Timothy V. [IL-15] - 4/23/2009
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 2/26/2009
Rep Jordan, Jim [OH-4] - 6/2/2009
Rep Kagen, Steve [WI-8] - 2/26/2009
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 4/23/2009
Rep King, Peter T. [NY-3] - 6/4/2009
Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 6/11/2009
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 3/6/2009
Rep Kline, John [MN-2] - 4/29/2009
Rep Kosmas, Suzanne M. [FL-24] - 6/17/2009
Rep Kratovil, Frank, Jr. [MD-1] - 6/4/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 6/11/2009
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[Cogburn]

Maybe it'll be the first legislation Ron Paul has sponsored in 3 congresses that gets enacted into law.

[WarlordZeroOne]

if we at AmKon think like we have been doing about this Topic, (look at the pages created) whats it going to be like in 10 years time, the cops do as they want to anybody now out in the open,and what are they like in a Dark Alley with no witnesses we are well and truly fucked, Oh and EYE your taxes that will be a shit day for you, when they are able to locate you after you have had that chip injected as a matter of course, purley for identification purposes.lol. we are fucked.

[Eyeforalie]

What are the going to take? They cant take personal property.

After they fucked me I decided to not personaly own a thing.

If they chip me Ill dig it out. Granted they will need to knock me out to put it in...It was tried in jail and that didnt work.

[torbjon]

been going on my whole life.... folks tell me it's been going on their whole life... ad infinitum
it's nothing new... and nothing really seems to work...
take them over, then become them...
the oppressed
become
the oppressor

5]AyWbryqboa85]

[WarlordZeroOne]

Well Done torbjon,seeing this vid just confirms everything i have said, i am NOT a Defeatist,and YOU CANNOT BEAT THE SYSTEM of western governments. i am not saying you cannot try, but it will be a lost cause.

[mojo]

qkNa5xzOe5U

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

qkNa5xzOe5U

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa86/etothedouble/24b0xhe.gif

[mojo]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa86/etothedouble/24b0xhe.gif


we are fucked.


but it will be a lost cause


hence...."its a lost cause'.


don't blame me, i'm high. :)

[KIWI]

this place is a piss poor substitute for what it was

[skunk]

this place is a piss poor substitute for what it was

AmKon is what the members make it, so if its a piss poor substitute you're equally responsible.

:D

[KIWI]

AmKon is what the members make it, so if its a piss poor substitute you're equally responsible.

:D

are you for real?

[KIWI]

go and dig out what Ive brought to the table mr Admin, show me just where I have contributed to this fucked up Zoo that now calls itself Amkon?

you have driven off all the interesting characters and people that once posted here

[skunk]

Kiwi that was a tongue in cheek comment. How is amkon a piss poor excuse for what it was?

[KIWI]

Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed Adam, and the snake never had a leg to stand on

[KIWI]

I enjoyed the witty repartee that used to be found here, John, BE, Chorlton, 72, Gunner etc etc, where are they?

and to save you the trouble of pointing out the obvious, I wont let the door hit me in the arse on the out, sad man :(

[skunk]

I enjoyed the witty repartee that used to be found here, John, BE, Chorlton, 72, Gunner etc etc, where are they?

and to save you the trouble of pointing out the obvious, I wont let the door hit me in the arse on the out, sad man :(

People move on, we can't keep anyone here unfortunately.

[KIWI]

yeah I know Skunko, but it just seems less like home, I dont have a history round the net, apart from a brief soiree into HM, this has been it for me

too many rods left the core, aah well, 2 blue cup-cakes and another notch on the straight-jacket, tomorrow's another day huh?

[Eyeforalie]

Fuck man.

How do ya think that makes it for us?

Same shit.

[mojo]

you have driven off all the interesting characters and people that once posted here

you know i love you dearly but its hardly fair blaming skunk for any problems you have with amkon.


John, BE, Chorlton, 72, Gunner

john left because he didn't like the fact that folk were allowed to argue with him or didn't agree with everything he said unlike OM and the livingmoon.
i like john as a person but he couldn't cut it here because there are no rules to protect the respect he believes is rightfully his.

chorlton was never a prolific poster and left here to go to RU, the only reason he returned was because they banned him otherwise he'd probably still be there. and i won't go into his personal problems he's facing atm which means he isn't posting anywhere.

(lol, just sneezed and blew snot all over the keyboard, accidently, for real).

72, left for reasons best known to himself but in any of the communications i had with him skunk was never mentioned. forums evolve and people come and go, shit theres hundreds of members who have come and gone that i would love to see back here. the internet doesn't work that way, sometimes RL means people leave for a while or forever.

gunner, i really miss that guy, but to suggest that skunk is the reason is not on.
he had twins, life had changed for him and so did his surfing habits, obviously, some things are more important than talking shjit on the net.
and gunner and 72 could post some serious derailed bullshit.

end of the day.....BE cracked the shits about something he shouldn't have and if he isn''t embarrassed about it then he damn well ought to be imho.

[KIWI]

you know i love you dearly but its hardly fair blaming skunk for any problems you have with amkon.


just had a quick look back m8, dont think I blamed Skunk directly? :)

got a bit wound is all over the accusation Im equally to blame for the departure of certain members?

Ive tried many a time to introduce different and varied opps on the nature of the CT beast

a lot of work for an old dinosaur who still gets "fused" by a digital watch

Im a peeps person, always have been, just miss the input of some very intelligent characters....sala vie

[century]

Forget about John, hes getting old anyway and he may be on his way out soon

[century]

he said all he has to say

[century]

I dont want to deal death sticks any more,...........I want to go rethink my life

[mojo]

@KIWI, lol, i debated with myself whether to say anything, maybe i misunderstood your post. :)

its all good, but its the nature of forums, particulalry one as intense as this one can be.
thats the very nature of a forum with very little in the way of boundaries i guess.

i still maintain that BE needs to take a reality check.

this forum is all about freedom of expression, BE has basically left because he didn't like some things that were said and done.
well thats the nature of the beast.
he has made comments during his time here that have caused other members to leave this site.
thats their problem, just as this latest little whinge is his problem.

if people leave because of it then i, as i'm sure others will, be sad to see them go.
but you can be assured that others will come to take their place and the sun will continue to rise, and those that have left will find other playgrounds and make new friends, and the sun will set.

as long as those with any sense will realise that its not the forum thats at fault but the user and friendships will remain.

[century]

BE has basically left because he didn't like some things that were said and done.well thats the nature of the beast.Fuck people who want to leave

:offtopic:

John Lear doesn't need any money now, his family will get on fine without him in the future, even if some of what he spuws is bullshit I find it hard to believe he doesn't believe 90% of it. That said
I cant believe that him and Lazar just made this shit up (dulce/area 51) to get publicity.

John to me just wants to get what he knows out to whomever will listen and thats all.

[mojo]

John to me just wants to get what he knows out to whomever will listen and thats all.

i'd be more inclined to believe "some" of johns theory's if it weren't for all the soul catcher bullshit and civilizations on venus and jupiter and wherever.

[century]

i'd be more inclined to believe "some" of johns theory's if it weren't for all the soul catcher bullshit and civilizations on venus and jupiter and wherever.

I agree

It almost sounds like an amalgamation of Christianity and Reincarnation, among others.

Surely he isn't using allegory or symbolism to pose himself as a profit

[century]

he does like to fuck with people(Lear)

I often wonder that about Jesus, if he did exist. How could he not see the humour in fucking with people. You have to draw a line somewhere though, I guess:spiderman:

[KIWI]

the soulcatcher story is nothing new and a part of several native peoples beliefs.

Does seem a bit unusual for someone to incorporate it into a theory of NASA/MOON conspiracy

The reaction it elicits is though something that intriques me :)

[KIWI]

@KIWI, lol, i debated with myself whether to say anything, maybe i misunderstood your post. :)

its all good, but its the nature of forums, particulalry one as intense as this one can be.
thats the very nature of a forum with very little in the way of boundaries i guess.

i still maintain that BE needs to take a reality check.

this forum is all about freedom of expression, BE has basically left because he didn't like some things that were said and done.
well thats the nature of the beast.
he has made comments during his time here that have caused other members to leave this site.
thats their problem, just as this latest little whinge is his problem.

if people leave because of it then i, as i'm sure others will, be sad to see them go.
but you can be assured that others will come to take their place and the sun will continue to rise, and those that have left will find other playgrounds and make new friends, and the sun will set.

as long as those with any sense will realise that its not the forum thats at fault but the user and friendships will remain.

lol yeah....if I had a shekel for everytime the battered old Svengali hiked up his skirts and goose-stepped his way off the deck.....well, Id be buying the cup-cakes for all eternity :)

if you live long enough and have spent your time observing the world around you, ya cant help but be a touch cynical and with it a bit short tempered, there are lots of old gits I dont like but give them my respect purely on the grounds they have lived longer

and therefore exposed to more tragic reality ( we call it life) than I :)


he was an excellant wordsmith, very entertaining when on form,. he must be turning blue by now?

should be back soon?

[KIWI]

he does like to fuck with people(Lear)

I often wonder that about Jesus, if he did exist. How could he not see the humour in fucking with people. You have to draw a line somewhere though, I guess:spiderman:

what does Jesus do with all the money I wonder Cent?

[captainkiwi]

We have all lost our rights, our Democracy for me after watching those 2 vids is just a word a front for Democratic FACISM, i have never liked the heavy handed tactics of the U.S.A. police,but we have also the same problem here in the U.K. the police make me so FUCKING angry,they have a warrent card (a Badge in the States) and they think they are GOD,well Fuck them i hate Bastard cops,and we have more bent cops in our society than ever before,WTF is going on. I am so fucking ANGRY. :projectile:
if ya can't beat em join em ......subvert from within......undercover freedom fighters united front

[anarch]

LnlwkkRWvpk

[Eyeforalie]

if ya can't beat em join em

On it.

BTW, This was a great thread.

Thanks for the bump.

[anarch]

Here's a question. How many bad cops do you see in the following video?

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[skunk]

Is that a trick question?

The good cops outweigh the bad cops, although I'm sure jack will point to a statistic claiming otherwise.

The bad cops are the ones that stick out, and make everyone else look bad.

[anarch]

Is that a trick question?

The good cops outweigh the bad cops, although I'm sure jack will point to a statistic claiming otherwise.

The bad cops are the ones that stick out, and make everyone else look bad.

It was a trick question. They are all bad cops. Not a good cop among them.

It goes back to the one bad apple spoiling the basket.

That one officer that fucked up the hand cuffed kid he was bad. All the cops that just watched him do it, They too are bad. They did nothing to stop it. They did nothing to bring the offending cop to justice. No charges filed. The chief that hired the bad cop? He is a rotten apple too...

When good cops let bad cops get away with evil deeds then , their are no longer any good cops.

[Lexion]

"The kid was drunk, beligerent and trying to spit on the officer".

He deserved getting his ass kicked.

[skunk]

Lex, do you automatically assume what the news/police say is the truth?

[Lexion]

Lex, do you automatically assume what the news/police say is the truth?

Having not been there, yes.

Do you assume he was beat
for no reason ?

[skunk]

Spitting on an officer, or even calling them names, does not deserve a beat down. Sorry.

That's police brutality.

[Lexion]

BLOOMINGTON - A Bloomington man has been sentenced to three years in prison for spitting on a police officer.

Paul Dunnagan, 34, of Melissa Drive, received the sentence for aggravated battery. He spit on the officer in September while he was being arrested on a driving charge, according to court records.

Spit away (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11624682.html)

A Summerfield man was arrested and charged with spitting on two deputies, authorities in Rockingham County said Wednesday.

Deputies said Darren Ray Hege, 37, had gone to a home on Norman Farm Road Tuesday evening where he became intoxicated and refused to leave.

Deputies said he became unruly and began using profanity before physically resisting the deputies who had responded. As deputies were placing him in handcuffs, he spit into the face of one of the deputies, Sheriff's Department spokesman Dean Venable said.

Sound familiar ? (http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/NC-Man-Charged-with-Assault-After-Spitting-on-Deputies/1$50248)

YORKTOWN — A Yorktown man is due in Town Court tonight to answer charges that he spit in the face of a town officer who had gone to a house to conduct a welfare check, police said today.

Yet another (http://www.lohud.com/article/20100119/NEWS02/1190370/Yorktown-man-charged-after-spitting-in-cop%5C-s-face)

LANGLEY, B.C. – A suspect in a car theft has been charged with assault for spitting on a police officer’s face.

It's assault (http://www.vancouverite.com/2009/10/06/man-charged-with-assault-for-spitting-at-policemans-face/)

[mur]

"Yes sir"

"No sir"

This is how I address the police.

Anything else invites trouble.

I don't want any trouble...or to be involved in situations beyond my control.

[pack3tg0st]

Spitting on an officer, or even calling them names, does not deserve a beat down. Sorry.

That's police brutality.

Think of the diseases transmitted via saliva...

The suspect could be sentencing the police officer to a miserable existence, or perhaps even death...

Isn't Hepatitis communicable via saliva?

[skunk]

Spitting on an officer is assault?

Sounds like somebody has sand in their vagina.

[KIWI]

and dont call the Canadians Nazi's.....they dont like it, a Miss Silver :)






That’s The Swastikas, a Canadian girls’ hockey team from Edmonton circa 1916. Before it became associated with the Nazis, swastikas had been used for hundreds of years as a symbol of good luck and prosperity:

For many millenia, before it was appropriated by the Nazis, the swastika was a symbol of good luck and prosperity. Almost every race, religion and continent honored the swastika — a perfect example of the universal spread of a symbol thru the collective unconscious used by American Indians, Hindus, Buddhists, Vikings, Greeks, Romans, Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Mayans, Aztecs, Persians, Christians, and neolithic tribes. There are even Jewish swastikas found in ancient synagogues side-by-side with the star of David!
The swastika was associated with the hammer of Thor which returned to him like a boomerang, the footprints of Buddha, the emblem of Shiva, Apollo, Jupiter, and even Jesus Christ! The swastika was the first Christian symbol and is found in the catacombs in Rome. Hindus and Buddhists to this day still revere the swastika as their sacred sign. Jains make the sign of the swastika similar to the Christian sign of the cross.
In the early part of the twentieth century Rudyard Kipling used the swastika as his coat-of-arms, Coca Cola made a swastika-shaped lucky watch fob,American pilots used it on their planes when they fought for the French in World War One, it was the symbol for the Ladies Home Journal sponsored Girls’ Club and the Boy Scouts. A town in Ontario was named Swastika in 1911 because of a lucky gold strike.

[anarch]

"The kid was drunk, beligerent and trying to spit on the officer".

He deserved getting his ass kicked.

Lex...... That was the story told and while we do not see the kid spitting in the video who knows? Maybe the kid did and the cop was being honest.

MOOT POINT AS THE BITCH WAS SITTING DOWN IN HANDCUFFS.

And that is what makes it vile. If the cop wanted to be a real dick he could of charged him with assault like in your examples and given him even more time. Fed time in fact. Instead he put the beat down on a prep in hand cuffs. Only the best of men cowardly pussies beat the shit out of the restrained.

And that is why he was fired. Because it is illegal to continue to put the hurt on a suspect in cuffs.

It was a bad cop. The other officers that watched him were bad cops , and the guy who hired him was a bad cop.

[Lexion]

Show me the whole video.

Not the YT propoganda.

[skunk]

That was CNN footage...

[Lexion]

I'd like the full video.

[skunk]

This is the best you're gonna get. Looks like he may have been talking shit to the cops, that is still no reason to beat him up.

Raw video: Video in Santa Fe police brutality case emerges as issue in election

-RwLWeI27gY

found here

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Police-video-ignites-political-tension

[Lexion]

This is the best you're gonna get. Looks like he may have been talking shit to the cops, that is still no reason to beat him up.

Raw video: Video in Santa Fe police brutality case emerges as issue in election

-RwLWeI27gY

found here

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Police-video-ignites-political-tension

That vid is cut, too.

Un-reliable.

[skunk]

Good luck finding the original police video. I tried.

[Cogburn]

That vid is cut, too.

Un-reliable.

Nonsense. It doesn't matter what transpired prior to the cut.

The two individuals were intoxicated and vomiting, hence the garbage cans. The individual was handcuffed, seated, and posing no threat to the officer what so ever. Even after the beating began, no attempt was made at resistance.

This should be a slam dunk.

[skunk]

You can even see a bit of puke on the ground after the cop knocks the garbage can across the room.