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was having a chat with WZ0 about volcanoes recently, Bruce Cathie has spent time studying them and I will post his theory here when Ive typed it out, ....I was looking about on you-tube and found this short clip from an observation camera that happened to catch an eruption, cant admit to having seen many from a vantage point like this, but quite a suprise to see the way it blew............. :shock:
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Volcanoes are a molten rock leak.
Foxtrot Oscar
06-22-2009, 12:42 PM
Hmmmm reminds me of how the fizzy drinks come squirting out of a bottle, it works its way around the rim!
But then there are different types of eruption. Depending on viscosity, acidity and temp... If I remember correctly.
I'm guessing you have a different take than the normal science books eh Kiwi?
Fox
Ima Sock
06-22-2009, 02:52 PM
That looked more like the sequential detonation of buried shaped charges, a little too symetrical (and short) to be a volcanic eruption. But then again I'm a high functioning moron.
But then there are different types of eruption. Depending on viscosity, acidity and temp... If I remember correctly.
I'm guessing you have a different take than the normal science books eh Kiwi?
Fox
I think the nuts and bolts as taught, ie the end effect/result of an erruption, and the points Fox mentioned, are fine, the text books put the erruptions down to pressure from below travelling the path of least resistance, nothing wrong there either, what is not considered is the suggestions of BC as to a "trigger" for the event, the math below wont mean much I guess unless your at least partially familiar with his Harmonic theories.Below is an extract from "The Pulse of the Universe" and deals with an eruption of Mt Ruapehu in the center of the Nth Island NZ, June 21 1969'......I have more on this dealing with other eruptions from around the earth which I'll post also when its ready
That looked more like the sequential detonation of buried shaped charges, a little too symetrical (and short) to be a volcanic eruption. .
I thought the same Ima , but cant think seriously why or how...... :shock:
Volcanoes are a molten rock leak.
thanks HP
.....The eruption of this volcano, located in the centre of New Zealand's North Island, had been completely unexpected. Scientists received no warning from the electronic gear they had implanted on the summit — the activity had come too suddenly. With all due respect to those engaged in volcanology in New Zealand's Department of Scientific and Industrial Research, I reiterate something which I have stressed before. A study of the harmonic relationships of the geometric positions of the earth and the sun at the time of volcanic eruptions will yield important findings and point the way to an entirely new system of study. A complete programme, based on date, time and geometric relationships of earth and sun will enable a scientist, or a layman versed in mathematics, to calculate with extreme accuracy the time when volcanic activity may be expected. The period over which the activity may occur and also the degree of intensity at which it may occur, according to the particular harmonics involved, can be predicted by this method. I am fully aware that the scientists will treat with scorn utterances of this kind from a mere layman like myself.
Volcanologists have built up their particular branch of science over a considerable period of time, yet here am I, an unknown upstart, daring to pull the very foundations from under their precious pile of data. Gentleman, my apologies. No scientific anarchist, I, If I seem to be rocking your boat a little, it is only in order to shake a few intellectuals into a more wakeful state. As a matter of fact I'm not even particularly interested in the study of volcanoes — I have much too much to interest me in other fields. But I do recommend that just one of you volcanologists, somewhere in the world, takes the trouble to check out my ideas with a computer. If my theory is groved to be correct, then an extensive programme can be planned and carried out, to open up a completely revitalised branch of science. Let us calculate the harmonic relationship of the latitude position of the sun at the time of the eruption on 21 June, 1969. Harmonic relationships for light and gravity can be found throughout the whole range of mathematical tables based on angular measurement. These harmonics are the building-blocks of the universe, and are the only values which have such inter-relationships. Who was it that said God made the universe according to the rules of geometry? He was a man with a deep understanding of the fundamental character of Nature.
I have challenged scientists to supply any random values other than those I have calculated for light and gravity, and to try to find similar relationships throughout the tables. So far, to my knowledge, no one has been able to demonstrate that other harmonics are valid. Analysis of geometric relationships during eruption: Latitude and longitude of active point below Mount Ruapehu: Latitude: 39.28371° south / Longitude 175.558333° east. The latitude value 39.28371 creates a harmonic association with the earth's resultant magnetic field: 3928.371 lines of force per square geodetic inch. The Sun was passing overhead the following position on the Earth's surface: Latitude 23.44° north / Longitude 7.219166° west. At this time the Sun position would have been: 4116.3621 minutes of arc from Grid Pole "B." The square of 4116.3621 is equal to: 16944444 harmonic (mass and gravity).
The great circle distance between the Sun position and the active point beneath Ruapehu was: 590335.72 seconds of arc. The reciprocal of this value is equal to: 1694 (169444 harmonic) (mass and gravity). The great circle distance between Latitude Sun and Latitude of the active point at Ruapehu was: 62.72371 degrees. The logarithm of the secant of 62.72371 degrees is: 0.33888 This value divided by 2 is equal to: 0.16944 harmonic, (mass and gravity) All values calculated by computer. Again I theorise that all volcanic activity is caused by a geometric imbalance of the universal harmonics which form our physical world. The scientists can now fight this one out among themselves. shall be satisfied if they will at least give my theory a fair trial and make an independent check for verification.
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 09:04 AM
I'm guessing you have a different take than the normal science books eh Kiwi?jesus, Fox- talk about stating the obvious! duh... On the other hand, there are no such things as volcanoes. They're holographic chimeras broadcast by the flag suckers from the dark side of the moon. The soul catcher is actually a holograph transmitter. Even John Lear won't tell you this further bit of bad news for the wretched humans. Consult the works of L Ron Hubbard for further elucidation. Thank you for your patience and have a nice day.
I'm guessing you have a different take than the normal science books eh Kiwi?jesus, Fox- talk about stating the obvious! duh... On the other hand, there are no such things as volcanoes. They're holographic chimeras broadcast by the flag suckers from the dark side of the moon. The soul catcher is actually a holograph transmitter. Even John Lear won't tell you this further bit of bad news for the wretched humans. Consult the works of L Ron Hubbard for further elucidation. Thank you for your patience and have a nice day.
the standard approach of the fucking ignorant,....how old are you?
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 07:51 PM
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pack3tg0st
06-23-2009, 07:56 PM
I smell bullshit!
His profile says 11!
Why did the usa goverment burn and ban Bruce Cathie's books!
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please accept my apology, I wasnt aware,....does your mom know your playing with her computer?
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 07:59 PM
Why did the usa goverment burn Bruce Cathie's books!they ran out of propane for the barbecue?
Why did the usa goverment burn Bruce Cathie's books!they ran out of propane for the barbecue?
how unusual, when they could of hooked the line to you and had an endless supply of "swamp-gas"
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 08:09 PM
child labor laws, ya know...
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-23-2009, 08:19 PM
.....The Sun was passing overhead the following position on the Earth's surface: Latitude 23.44° north / Longitude 7.219166° west.
That's were he lost me...
The sun was moving????
If instead he had said: "The following position on the Earth's surface: Latitude 23.44° north / Longitude 7.219166° west, was in a position of direct alignment with the sun, relatively speaking, at the moment the eruption commenced," one would be more inclined to, um....what the hell were we talking about again?
is there a particular area of BC's data your not comfortable with ?......if so please let me know and I will pass it on to him, I can only imagine you have studied his equations and found them wanting ?.yes ?......no?
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 08:27 PM
Does this guy hang out with Richard Hoagland by any chance?
Cogburn
06-23-2009, 08:27 PM
Why did the usa goverment burn and ban Bruce Cathie's books!
Because they didn't?
The only author to have his books officially destroyed (EDIT: and banned) by the U.S. government was Wilhelm Reich in 1946, and that was only after the extensive lobbying of congress by the American Psychoanalytic Association headed by Anna Freud.
You can get Cathie's books on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Bruce+Cathie&x=0&y=0
Who told you such lies?
.....The Sun was passing overhead the following position on the Earth's surface: Latitude 23.44° north / Longitude 7.219166° west.
That's were he lost me...
The sun was moving????
If instead he had said: "The following position on the Earth's surface: Latitude 23.44° north / Longitude 7.219166° west, was in a position of direct alignment with the sun, relatively speaking, at the moment the eruption commenced," one would be more inclined to, um....what the hell were we talking about again?
he's an interesting guy Cap, and to date has not had his figures proven wrong, yes you are correct , we do travel around the sun and not the other way round, maybe thats why they burned his books?
Friday 16 Jan 09
Hi Allan,
That is the one thing I have in my favour.
The scientists , or Universities, are careful not to make a large public effort to deny that my work is valid.
First this would bring more attention to it, and also, they are afraid that they may look stupid when the truth finally comes out.
To them it is best to ignore.
Kind Regards
Bruce
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 08:33 PM
maybe thats why they burned his books?who the hell burned the guy's books? last i knew they were useful as window props and doorstops. there ain't enough BTUs in 50 of em to warm a dogs ass on a rainy night.
Cogburn
06-23-2009, 08:36 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/energygrid_harmonic695/energygrig01.htm#2.- MATHEMATICS OF THE WORLD GRID
[offsite:174heqxb]The classical Einstein equation is contained in this, but the speed of light factor, C, has been doubled.
Furthermore:
is equal to M, or the volume or mass of any unit body in space.
By calculation of the diameter of any spherical mass and the rate of its rotation, the value of the speed of light, time and gravity accelerations should be capable of being determined. If the volume of irregular bodies can be determined, then by calculation of the equivalent spherical volume the other values can also be determined.
There is a corollary: the linear speed of light in any particular point in space determines the volume of the body precipitated at that point. Therefore, relative to earth values of light, a lesser speed will determine smaller masses, and larger speeds will determine larger masses — such as that of Jupiter, for example. The angular acceleration of light will remain constant.
Corollary: for any unit body, once precipitated, then the rate of rotation, or spin, and its volume will directly determine its rate of acceleration in space (i.e., its movement in space relative to other bodies). This movement will maintain a constant balance of the angular acceleration of light at the point in space in which the body may be at any given instant.
If these theories seem to be complex and abstruse, bear with us. They are presented here as a means of establishing the foundation of other theories in support of which evidence will be offered.[/offsite:174heqxb]
:projectile:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/energygrid_harmonic695/images/energy4.jpg
2C^2?
WTF is this shit? A totally unjustified doubling of the speed of light?
Pari Spolter called and wants her math skills back.
Why did the usa goverment burn and ban Bruce Cathie's books!
Because they didn't?
The only author to have his books officially destroyed (EDIT: and banned) by the U.S. government was Wilhelm Reich in 1946, and that was only after the extensive lobbying of congress by the American Psychoanalytic Association headed by Anna Freud.
You can get Cathie's books on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Bruce+Cathie&x=0&y=0
Who told you such lies?
careful Cog....his books were siezed and destroyed, I will dig out the relevant piece, yes his work is available now, the destruction of his work was early in the peace,.......there is a bloke in town, who I will see in the next hour, he worked for the publishers here in NZ and has the details
Cogburn
06-23-2009, 08:37 PM
I'd be very interested to hear that because, as I said, it hasn't happened in over 60 years.
I think it's more likely he couldn't find a distributor. Notice he sells his books on Amazon or via PayPal.
Hi Allan,
Sorry for the delay. I have been out of the office.
Thank you for the interest in my research efforts. Nice to know that somebody takes notice.
Say hi to John for me. I offen wondered what happened to him. I did wonder if the fiasco with Hodders had anything to do with his leaving. They actually did me a favour when they destroyed my books. Caused much attention round the world.
As to the interview. With all due respect, I think I will pass on that. It appears that the subject matter is not quite in the area of my research. Also, I do not know the basic story regarding the movie.If I could read the script I may have a better idea.
Our own movie, Antigravity, is on hold due to financing. Much pressure to stop it. All part of the game.
Kind Regards
Bruce.
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 08:43 PM
Notice he sells his books on Amazon or via PayPal.
slightly charred, of course.
Cogburn
06-23-2009, 08:55 PM
Notice he sells his books on Amazon or via PayPal.
slightly charred, of course.
Smite.
Who burned the books and on what authority, KIWI?
I smell the potential for a Hubbard-esque self-promotion...
Notice he sells his books on Amazon or via PayPal.
slightly charred, of course.
Smite.
Who burned the books and on what authority, KIWI?
I smell the potential for a Hubbard-esque self-promotion...
smited?...........for being a dick?
dont panic Cog, I will provide the evidence, I have forwarded your post with your abhorrence to the doubling of light speed, to Mr Cathie
boycotteverything
06-23-2009, 09:24 PM
smited?...........for being a dick? that's a charred dick to you if you don't mind.
smited?...........for being a dick? that's a charred dick to you if you don't mind.
:lol:
torbjon
06-23-2009, 09:43 PM
KIWI:
I'm curious why the Moon doesn't figure into the equation... Earth / Sun relationship, okay... Earth / Moon relationship???
all I have to go on is what you've posted here... I don't read books... unless they have lots of colorful pictures in them.
the books were destroyed under the orders of Sphere publishing in the UK, .... pulped, not "burnt",
Cogburn
06-23-2009, 09:49 PM
smited?...........for being a dick? that's a charred dick to you if you don't mind.
:lol:
It was a smite for comedy. When I laugh out loud I smite that post. :)
KIWI:
I'm curious why the Moon doesn't figure into the equation... Earth / Sun relationship, okay... Earth / Moon relationship???
all I have to go on is what you've posted here... I don't read books... unless they have lots of colorful pictures in them.
That's the other thing that bears mentioning.
Unless Bruce rewrites the laws of gravity or the mass of the moon somewhere in there, it is scientific fact that the moons gravitational influence is greater than that of the Sun by virtue of the inverse square law and evidenced by the progression of the tides.
the books were destroyed under the orders of Sphere publishing in the UK, .... pulped, not "burnt",What reason was given?
It couldn't possibly be that they printed the books and Bruce didn't pay, could it? That's common practice.
Spinning the story into "suppression of knowledge" certainly makes one appear to be less of a deadbeat....
KIWI:
I'm curious why the Moon doesn't figure into the equation... Earth / Sun relationship, okay... Earth / Moon relationship???
all I have to go on is what you've posted here... I don't read books... unless they have lots of colorful pictures in them.
ha ha , fair enough Torb, I shall move heaven, earth, and if necessary the Moon, to get you an answer
I would think the Moon's position would be an influence also, maybe its effect is negligible regards this ?
farkin good question mate 8)
What reason was given?
It couldn't possibly be that they printed the books and Bruce didn't pay, could it? That's common practice.
Spinning the story into "suppression of knowledge" certainly makes one appear to be less of a deadbeat....
the normal reason for destroying books is the obvious, no interest by the public, no sales, no moola.....
wasnt the case in this situation, the pulping of books ,so Ive been told is not unusual even today, but again , although Harmonic 33 was not a best seller, it was ticking over quite nicely,........to release the book in the US required a US publisher, no-one would take this on, the book was published by Sphere in the UK, shipped back to NZ with the idea of release through Canada, and seen as a back-door into the US market, before the shipping took place , Sphere ordered all copies to be pulped........this info came from the bloke here who set the deal up with sphere, he had been in the publishing game 30 years and to this day is still puzzled by their actions........he has said there is more to this but Bruce is the guy to talk to,.....I will keep you posted Cog
It couldn't possibly be that they printed the books and Bruce didn't pay, could it? That's common practice.
Spinning the story into "suppression of knowledge" certainly makes one appear to be less of a deadbeat....
the book was doing fine, the publishing through Sphere was purely to try and circumvent the US law that said you cant sell in the US unless you have a US publisher
Cogburn
06-23-2009, 10:24 PM
wasnt the case in this situation, the pulping of books ,so Ive been told is not unusual even today, but again , although Harmonic 33 was not a best seller, it was ticking over quite nicely,........to release the book in the US required a US publisher, no-one would take this on, the book was published by Sphere in the UK, shipped back to NZ with the idea of release through Canada, and seen as a back-door into the US market, before the shipping took place , Sphere ordered all copies to be pulped........this info came from the bloke here who set the deal up with sphere, he had been in the publishing game 30 years and to this day is still puzzled by their actions........he has said there is more to this but Bruce is the guy to talk to,.....I will keep you posted Cog
the book was doing fine, the publishing through Sphere was purely to try and circumvent the US law that said you cant sell in the US unless you have a US publisherSo really it could have been anything up or down the chain that spoiled the deal since it was a complex deal with many players in several countries.
What's the reason for jumping to the conclusion that it was an effort to suppress his information?
So really it could have been anything up or down the chain that spoiled the deal since it was a complex deal with many players in several countries.
What's the reason for jumping to the conclusion that it was an effort to suppress his information?
no, what's the complexity,........the publishing laws are what dictates here, I should say "as they were then".........may be diff now?........the world was divdied into zones, if you had a book that was doing ok in your zone, and you wanted to have it released in another zone, you needed a publisher from the zone you were intending the release for,.........Reeds had originally published the book down here and was able to be released only in member countries of our zone, whether Reeds approached the US market looking for a US publisher I dont know , but attempts by Bruce Cathie were not successful , Sphere publishing in the UK obviously thought the Book good enough for them to take on, their market was the UK and all the commonwealth countries, Aus , NZ, Canada etc..........with Canada seen as the big target, Im sure any alterior motive by the author...( to get the book closer to the US and therefore a better chance of exposure to US readers) would not have been an issue with Sphere, their decision to publish the book would have been made on financial grounds only, and boubt they would have even been aware of any other issues.
Then of course , something must have happened, out of the blue, Sphere ordered the entire shipment pulped,..........I hope Bruce Cathie can give some more detail on all this. Just seems a strange thing to do after Sphere had taken the project right through to the stage they did and then pull the pin :shock: :)
WTF is this shit? A totally unjustified doubling of the speed of light?
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having a look there Cog I wonder if it is to allow for the anti matter cycle? as he thinks may apply to the recprocal?
[attachment=0:x8m7txvv]energy3.gif[/attachment:x8m7txvv]
if two particle accelerators placed side by side, pointing in opposite directions, fired simultaneously, and were you to observe the speed of one of the particles from the position of the other particle, travelling away from each other, would it give the impression you were observing almost double light speed ?
What a fecking load of old cobblers Kiwi,why do you try and bullshit the esteemed members with your graphs and
meaningless fecking numbers ?? when you know as well as I do that Ruapehu was married toTaranaki,when along came Tongariro and slipped Ruapehu a quick shag,poor old Taranaki came home and caught them at it and had a knuckle-up with Tongariro who beat the living shit outta him,so Taranaki packed his swag and buggered of to the west where he remains today,occasionally Tongariro smokes and smoulders with anger,whilst Ruapehu sighs with her love for Taranaki
and thats why they fecking well erupt now and again....Sheesh,Oy vay....arr arr ..hubba hubba.
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 02:05 AM
Well... coming from the corporate world, I could see how it could happen.
If this was in the late 90's, Sphere was about to be acquired by Little Brown Book Group. At that time, the website states:
[offsite=http://www.littlebrown.co.uk/About/Imprints/Sphere:v7mye9po]At Sphere we pride ourselves on publishing high-quality commercial fiction and non-fiction. From crime novels to celebrity autobiographies, from romantic comedies to humour, we are looking for the finest examples in each field and aim to provide the best possible launch for every title.
In recent years we have honed the list so that we can give our full attention to each book. Passion, imagination and attention to detail are the cornerstones of our publishing. We appreciate how important it is to communicate effectively and to guide the author through each stage of the publishing process. In 2005 we were rewarded for our efforts when the imprint was nominated for a British Book Award.[/offsite:v7mye9po]
While Mr. Cathie might disagree, his book is not quite the science that Sphere publishes in non-fiction. About as "alternative" as they get is a title on the electric universe model which has a great deal of scientific support, even if the theory itself has taken a few hits over the years.
Given it was killed "on the pallet", I wonder if someone higher up on the corporate food chain didn't actually read the book until late in the process and then killed it because it didn't fit their market branding position.
Still not sniffing much of a conspiracy here except for maybe that of the All Mighty Dollar.
I'll remain open minded for the time being. :)
WTF is this shit? A totally unjustified doubling of the speed of light?
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having a look there Cog I wonder if it is to allow for the anti matter cycle? as he thinks may apply to the recprocal?
[attachment=0:v7mye9po]energy3.gif[/attachment:v7mye9po]
if two particle accelerators placed side by side, pointing in opposite directions, fired simultaneously, and were you to observe the speed of one of the particles from the position of the other particle, travelling away from each other, would it give the impression you were observing almost double light speed ?
Clamping the graph to represents a spread from +1 to -1 and assuming the distance represents a total of 2 is not accurate. That would be the same as saying when you change from 15MPH forward to 15MPH in reverse you're actually going 30MPH.
If you remove the harmonic gobbledy-gook and just look at what the graph represents, Cathie suggests that matter moves through two phases, matter and anti-matter, and I'm assuming he takes such liberties based on Casimir's famous work on vacuum physics and quantum foam (zero-point energy). However, such anti-matter manifestations are a direct result of Casimir's experiments "coaxing" the laws of quantum physics to behave in a particular manner. It is not how matter behaves in all contexts.
http://focus.aps.org/story/v2/st28
Here's the equation describing Casimir's experiment:
http://www.16pi2.com/images/casimi1.gif
Lambda is always less than one and, if I remember correctly, always greater than Planck's constant.
Cathie doesn't properly explain how he arrives at his 371/742 harmonic and it's relation to quantum particles nor the superluminal speeds required for his equations, nor does he attempt to justify is modification of Casimir's work, which has stood unchallenged in experimental science for over 50 years.
Here's the text immediately preceding that graph you linked.
[offsite:v7mye9po]An electron is formed by three spiraling wave motions in space. These waves pass through each other at 90°. The point of intersection in space causes the manifestation of what we term electrons. The electron thus formed carries out a spiraling motion. Each spiral of 360° forms a single pulse. The circular motion of an electron about the nucleus of an atom is therefore an illusion. The relative motion of the nucleus and electrons through space give the illusion of circular motion. The period during the formation of anti-matter is completely undetectable, since obviously all physical matter is manifesting at the same pulse rate, including any instruments or detectors used to probe atomic structures. The period or frequency rate between each pulse of physical matter creates the measurement which we call time, as well as the speed of light, at the particular position in space of which we are aware, at any given moment. (See Diagram 1).[/offsite:v7mye9po]
Three spiraling wave motions in space? LOLWUT?
Ok ok ok... I'll stop.
This guy published his stuff 10 years before Quantum Aether Dynamics or Brane Theory and built a career on it so I'm not expecting any kind of mea culpa, but seriously... this is just pseudo-science used in an attempt to give scientific credence to the theory of ley lines. Physics is always, always, always accountable to reality and Cathie's theory changes our view of the universe to that of looking through a funhouse mirror.
While some of his research into ley lines might well be accurate, his attempts to marry them to modern quantum physics are absolutely laughable.
Ima Nasshole
06-24-2009, 02:20 AM
Sorry![attachment=0:rqo6713e]scienceisforfaggots.png[/attachment:rqo6713e]
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 02:23 AM
Owned by my own damn image.
Smite.
If this was in the late 90's, Sphere was about to be acquired by Little Brown Book Group. At that time, the website states:
your out on that one by about 20 years, probably closer to 30
While Mr. Cathie might disagree, his book is not quite the science that Sphere publishes in non-fiction. About as "alternative" as they get is a title on the electric universe model which has a great deal of scientific support, even if the theory itself has taken a few hits over the years.
which would then make the above null and void, btw , are you reffering to Boudanis above?
Clamping the graph to represents a spread from +1 to -1 and assuming the distance represents a total of 2 is not accurate. That would be the same as saying when you change from 15MPH forward to 15MPH in reverse you're actually going 30MPH.
no, not the same at all
Three spiraling wave motions in space? LOLWUT?
Ok ok ok... I'll stop.
This guy published his stuff 10 years before Quantum Aether Dynamics or Brane Theory and built a career on it so I'm not expecting any kind of mea culpa, but seriously... this is just pseudo-science used in an attempt to give scientific credence to the theory of ley lines. Physics is always, always, always accountable to reality and Cathie's theory changes our view of the universe to that of looking through a funhouse mirror.
While some of his research into ley lines might well be accurate, his attempts to marry them to modern quantum physics are absolutely laughable.
Built a career on it ?, his career was aviation
Absolutely laughable? you seem to use physics as a drunk uses a lamp-post, for support rather than illumination.....physics always accountable to reality?...whos reality? the few who stand under the government sanctioned flag ?
How do you find time to post here?, with your uncanny grasp of all aspects of science I would have thought the major institutes would be knocking each other over in their haste to your door :)
is your condescension a Masonic thing?........I actually value your opinions Cog and indeed you are one of the few who bothers to join in on most of my "unusual" takes on things, but to use a phrase like "Harmonic gobbledegook?
In mathematics, mathematical physics and the theory of stochastic processes, a harmonic function is a twice continuously differentiable function f : U ? R (where U is an open subset of Rn)
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 03:31 AM
While Mr. Cathie might disagree, his book is not quite the science that Sphere publishes in non-fiction. About as "alternative" as they get is a title on the electric universe model which has a great deal of scientific support, even if the theory itself has taken a few hits over the years.
which would then make the above null and void, btw , are you reffering to Boudanis above?
Aye. SNO knocked some of the support out from under the electric model in 2007 when they discovered phase-change neutrinos. The electric model provided an account for why such neutrinos were missing from the reaction of the Sun's nuclear furnace. The problem turned out to be nothing more than the lack of equipment sensitive enough to detect them.
Clamping the graph to represents a spread from +1 to -1 and assuming the distance represents a total of 2 is not accurate. That would be the same as saying when you change from 15MPH forward to 15MPH in reverse you're actually going 30MPH.
no, not the same at all
Then kindly describe how it is not. :)
Three spiraling wave motions in space? LOLWUT?
Ok ok ok... I'll stop.
This guy published his stuff 10 years before Quantum Aether Dynamics or Brane Theory and built a career on it so I'm not expecting any kind of mea culpa, but seriously... this is just pseudo-science used in an attempt to give scientific credence to the theory of ley lines. Physics is always, always, always accountable to reality and Cathie's theory changes our view of the universe to that of looking through a funhouse mirror.
While some of his research into ley lines might well be accurate, his attempts to marry them to modern quantum physics are absolutely laughable.
Built a career on it ?, his career was aviation
Absolutely laughable? you seem to use physics as a drunk uses a lamp-post, for support rather than illumination.....physics always accountable to reality?...whos reality? the few who stand under the government sanctioned flag ?
How do you find time to post here?, with your uncanny grasp of all aspects of science I would have thought the major institutes would be knocking each other over in their haste to your door :)
Actually, they did. That's how I got my job working for TR in a senior scientific research position without a college degree. I also work 40% of the time from home. It's a nice position and I consider myself extremely lucky (if not blessed) to have earned it.
I'm not here to play Michio Kaku. If my explanations seem incomplete it's because I'm being lazy, not because I don't understand the topics. There's nothing in any of this that you aren't capable of learning on your own. Research it yourself and prove me wrong.
Governments cannot control science because science is the exploration of the universe in which we find ourselves. Governments do not control the behavior of the universe, therefore governments do not control science. Period.
The only thing governments control is funding. If you want to argue government funded junk science to foster a political agenda that's another topic.
is your condescension a Masonic thing?........I actually value your opinions Cog and indeed you are one of the few who bothers to join in on most of my "unusual" takes on things, but to use a phrase like "Harmonic gobbledegook?
In mathematics, mathematical physics and the theory of stochastic processes, a harmonic function is a twice continuously differentiable function f : U ? R (where U is an open subset of Rn) You seem to suggest by your argument that your ignorance of higher physics would be a result of your being a New Zealander. No I don't believe that you're being a New Zealander makes you ignorant, just reusing your argument to prove that my opinion is hardly based on my occult memberships as opposed to it arising from knowing my shit combined with an intolerance for pseudo-science.
The argument isn't the nature of harmonics... the argument is in Cathie's underexplained, in the least, or completely arbitrary, at the most, application of such to his theory. In fact, from the material that is available online he uses the term "harmonics" incorrectly and the correct term would be "resonance". The definition you posted actually says just that.
most of his detractors find it unnecessary to go past the Eltanin "aerial"...............unseen by science till 1964 , while at the same time having been documented by Aggassiz in 1888? or there abouts, known now to be a type of marine organism,(and to Aggassiz all those years back) and of course the fact that the position was used as a polar grid square referance point, under the assumption that the object in question was artificial ( could the ref point be correct in spite of the alledged aerial being proven natural?),..........his entire hypothesis is binned, if he was correct in every aspect of his work he would be a rare critter indeed I guess , there are many areas in his work Cog I know you would find interesting.
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 03:38 AM
The ley line research is interesting and his facts in that area look promising. His "harmonics" theories might be accurate however his mathematical descriptions of such are absolutely off-base and completely unjustified.
However, like most folks, it's when he dives into the deeper waters of mathematical support for such observations that he runs afoul of reality as verified by 500 years of experimental physics.
The argument isn't the nature of harmonics... the argument is in Cathie's underexplained, in the least, or completely arbitrary, at the most, application of such to his theory. In fact, from the material that is available online he uses the term "harmonics" incorrectly and the correct term would be "resonance". The definition you posted actually says just that.
there are half a doz or so variations of harmonics, for differant applications...no? and the term "harmonic- resonance" you would of heard, how can you cosider it arbitrary when what your dealing with are reflections of "real" time, the whole deal is based on the vibration of the ceasium atom,I inmagine that is still the scientific yardstick?.....or have you and the boys down the "lodge" been tampering with the matrix again? :)
You seem to suggest by your argument that your ignorance of higher physics would be a result of your being a New Zealander. No I don't believe that you're being a New Zealander makes you ignorant, just reusing your argument to prove that my opinion is hardly based on my occult memberships as opposed to it arising from knowing my shit combined with an intolerance for pseudo-science.
your right, there are some clever buggers produced down here, my ignorance comes from my lack of trust of the system, I see a lot of technology around that seems to defy what science tells me cannot be..... :cry:
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 04:48 AM
The argument isn't the nature of harmonics... the argument is in Cathie's underexplained, in the least, or completely arbitrary, at the most, application of such to his theory. In fact, from the material that is available online he uses the term "harmonics" incorrectly and the correct term would be "resonance". The definition you posted actually says just that.
there are half a doz or so variations of harmonics, for differant applications...no? and the term "harmonic- resonance" you would of heard, how can you cosider it arbitrary when what your dealing with are reflections of "real" time, the whole deal is based on the vibration of the ceasium atom,I inmagine that is still the scientific yardstick?.....or have you and the boys down the "lodge" been tampering with the matrix again? :)
Now you're really into my turf. Understand that there's a portion of my argument based in the fact that I have been formulating my own mathematical justification for esoteric science for the past three years. I'm far from having proved my theories, but I couldn't have gotten this far without a direct and fundamental understanding of both higher physics as well as esoteric ritual.
Basically we have competing theories of reality, but they are both based on the same fundamental equations and theories. It's from this similar basis that my recognition for his misapplication of the maths and incorrect use of terminology arises.
Resonance is an unexplained mathematical similarity evident in physical objects, such as the planetary resonances found within celestial mechanics.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/1296/Celestial-Mechanics-Resonance-phenomena.html
Cathie first deals specifically with spherical harmonics, which would be applicable to the definition you posted. The jump from harmonics to resonance is made when Cathie creates relationships between his perceived harmonics and the location of physical manifestations on the planet, which would create resonances at the nodals.
http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/math/harmonic/harmonic.htm
He then continues to confuse himself by attempting to describe such resonance ratios (and incorrectly at that) as harmonic functions. If your head is spinning at this point it should be. That's pretty much the problem with the greater portion of how the work is presented. I just have a hard time taking anyone seriously that doesn't use the commonly and widely accepted terminology for the thoughts being expressed. It makes verification of the work twice as difficult and shows only a lay understanding of the topics. Yeah, I called him a noob. :)
The problem with his maths are twofold:
* Lack of solid justification (ie: observations of physical reality) for proposed formulae and
* Absolutely no accounting for the effects of ? (psi) upon the collapsing quantum wave function suggested by his theory... much less including the wave function itself.
NOTE: The "?" in spherical harmonics is not the same "?" as in quantum mechanics. One represents an angle used to derive a spherical harmonic (?(?,?)) and the other represents the effect of the observer upon a system.
For what it's worth, the entire purpose of freemasonry, or any esoteric belief system, including most if not all religions, is "tampering with the matrix".
If you look deeper into what Cathie is trying to do, he's actually attempting to mathematically justify how such "tampering" works through the application of the forces created by ley lines.
His work is actually something upon which something greater could be built if you can manage to hack away the worthless bits.
Then kindly describe how it is not.
my understanding was along the lines of a set of reactions to be associated with the forward movment, with an instantaneous set of values being applied to account for the physical shift forward of, in this case the car, making it possible to describe the event in full math terms, with the result being a complete formula for that one event, in doing so describing a equal and opposite reaction to describe the energy used , to stop the car and send it off in the other direction would replicate the same, the doubling is in the single event, and I thought it could be considered so because of its being tied to the forward motion in real time?
I think when the same math is applied , be it considered arbitrary or not, the main thing should be consistancy of the results, nature herself doesnt change the rules, the known vibratory periods are what are used by all, I dont think that is in question here, its just the attempts to use the data to predict upcoming events and associate a greater importance to it than is acceptable to mainstream science :|
The argument isn't the nature of harmonics... the argument is in Cathie's underexplained, in the least, or completely arbitrary, at the most, application of such to his theory. In fact, from the material that is available online he uses the term "harmonics" incorrectly and the correct term would be "resonance". The definition you posted actually says just that.
there are half a doz or so variations of harmonics, for differant applications...no? and the term "harmonic- resonance" you would of heard, how can you cosider it arbitrary when what your dealing with are reflections of "real" time, the whole deal is based on the vibration of the ceasium atom,I inmagine that is still the scientific yardstick?.....or have you and the boys down the "lodge" been tampering with the matrix again? :)
Now you're really into my turf. Understand that there's a portion of my argument based in the fact that I have been formulating my own mathematical justification for esoteric science for the past three years. I'm far from having proved my theories, but I couldn't have gotten this far without a direct and fundamental understanding of both higher physics as well as esoteric ritual.
Basically we have competing theories of reality, but they are both based on the same fundamental equations and theories. It's from this similar basis that my recognition for his misapplication of the maths and incorrect use of terminology arises.
Resonance is an unexplained mathematical similarity evident in physical objects, such as the planetary resonances found within celestial mechanics.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/1296/Celestial-Mechanics-Resonance-phenomena.html
Cathie first deals specifically with spherical harmonics, which would be applicable to the definition you posted. The jump from harmonics to resonance is made when Cathie creates relationships between his perceived harmonics and the location of physical manifestations on the planet, which would create resonances at the nodals.
http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/math/harmonic/harmonic.htm
He then continues to confuse himself by attempting to describe such resonance ratios (and incorrectly at that) as harmonic functions. If your head is spinning at this point it should be. That's pretty much the problem with the greater portion of how the work is presented. I just have a hard time taking anyone seriously that doesn't use the commonly and widely accepted terminology for the thoughts being expressed. It makes verification of the work twice as difficult and shows only a lay understanding of the topics. Yeah, I called him a noob. :)
The problem with his maths are twofold:
* Lack of solid justification (ie: observations of physical reality) for proposed formulae and
* Absolutely no accounting for the effects of ? (psi) upon the collapsing quantum wave function suggested by his theory... much less including the wave function itself.
NOTE: The "?" in spherical harmonics is not the same "?" as in quantum mechanics. One represents an angle used to derive a spherical harmonic (?(?,?)) and the other represents the effect of the observer upon a system.
For what it's worth, the entire purpose of freemasonry, or any esoteric belief system, including most if not all religions, is "tampering with the matrix".
If you look deeper into what Cathie is trying to do, he's actually attempting to mathematically justify how such "tampering" works through the application of the forces created by ley lines.
His work is actually something upon which something greater could be built if you can manage to hack away the worthless bits.
actually Cog what you say is quite understandable, which makes a change when thinking about this stuff, your first bit anyway 8) ...I get a picture in my mind and have real trouble expressing it in terms,,but its never stopped me getting two feet in my mouth before :oops: , I will have to re-group :smokin:
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 05:18 AM
Then kindly describe how it is not.
my understanding was along the lines of a set of reactions to be associated with the forward movment, with an instantaneous set of values being applied to account for the physical shift forward of, in this case the car, making it possible to describe the event in full math terms, with the result being a complete formula for that one event, in doing so describing a equal and opposite reaction to describe the energy used , to stop the car and send it off in the other direction would replicate the same, the doubling is in the single event, and I thought it could be considered so because of its being tied to the forward motion in real time?
I think when the same math is applied , be it considered arbitrary or not, the main thing should be consistancy of the results, nature herself doesnt change the rules, the known vibratory periods are what are used by all, I dont think that is in question here, its just the attempts to use the data to predict upcoming events and associate a greater importance to it than is acceptable to mainstream science :|
The general mathematical expression of a sine wave, which is what is represented in that graph, would be: y = A sin ?
Now if you study the graph a little closer, you see there's more going on than is explained anywhere in the text.
What the hell is a "Geometric of Time and Speed of Light"?
Does that imply that the speed of light is variable over time independent of other forces?
How do the maths account for the Weak force we know is generated by physical matter?
Why is there a 1/4 cycle phase shift between "Double Cycle 742" and the "Geometric of Time and Speed of Light"?
Why is the equation from which this graph was derived not provided?
Where is the justification for the 371 harmonic beyond an ephemeral reference to some unnamed theory?
Is there really a mystery as to why Sphere abruptly stopped distribution?
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 05:24 AM
Oh... as to tying the wave function to the example of the car....
y = A sin ?
A = speed of the car (amplitude)
? = rate of change (frequency)
What the hell is a "Geometric of Time and Speed of Light"?
if they are connected , the percieved passage of time, and the speed of light, then there must be a geometric component to describe the association ?
WarlordZeroOne
06-24-2009, 05:30 AM
KIWI a lot of great homework there mate well done and interesting,did you ever see that programme about a 747 flying through a volcanic dust cloud, it lost all four engines, then they restarted,a bit further on all engines failed again,Pilot managed to glide the 747, then the engines where restarted,the pilot managed to land but could only see via a small area in the corner of the cockpit,all the windscreens where scratched because of the debri from the Volcano,and i think thats when they called that situation with an electric field around the plane as well. St Elmoe's Fire. also when the 747 was on the ground, they stripped an engine to find loads of shit that bunged up all engines which caused failure,as well as NEW rules in avoiding Volcano Plumes when flying.
Governments cannot control science because science is the exploration of the universe in which we find ourselves. Governments do not control the behavior of the universe, therefore governments do not control science. Period.
but they do control the release of the information....
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 05:47 AM
What the hell is a "Geometric of Time and Speed of Light"?
if they are connected , the percieved passage of time, and the speed of light, then there must be a geometric component to describe the association ?
Is that a geometric progression (a statistical function) or a geometrical representation of the relationship between Time and Speed?
If the latter then I'm still confused as the only way to relate "time" and "speed" is as a change of speed over time or a change in time over speed (General Relativity!).
Which axis in that graph represents "time" and which represents "speed"?
I wouldn't have to ask if he would have provided the equation used to derive that graph...
Governments cannot control science because science is the exploration of the universe in which we find ourselves. Governments do not control the behavior of the universe, therefore governments do not control science. Period.
but they do control the release of the information....
Negative. Not sure how it is in NZ, but the U.S. Government has absolutely zero say over what gets published in scientific peer review journals.
Such journals are private enterprises administrated by the professional associations to which practitioners of those disciplines belong. It has more to do with the politics of the individual association than the politics any federal government.
KIWI a lot of great homework there mate well done and interesting,did you ever see that programme about a 747 flying through a volcanic dust cloud, it lost all four engines, then they restarted,a bit further on all engines failed again,Pilot managed to glide the 747, then the engines where restarted,the pilot managed to land but could only see via a small area in the corner of the cockpit,all the windscreens where scratched because of the debri from the Volcano,and i think thats when they called that situation with an electric field around the plane as well. St Elmoe's Fire. also when the 747 was on the ground, they stripped an engine to find loads of shit that bunged up all engines which caused failure,as well as NEW rules in avoiding Volcano Plumes when flying.
wouldnt that have been scary shit!!! think itwas Pinartubo? Phillipines.Some of the places you end up at when trying to understand the nuts and bolts of the physics involved,( with the Harmonics/ resonances) soon show the shortcomings of lay-men like me, although Cog has pointed out some seemingly large deficiences with BC's work, BC must be in the ball-park with his ideas, as witnessed by his Atomic blast predictions of which he arrived at using aspects of his theories . I have a few more I will post and look forward to Cog "shaking the nuts" out of it :)
If the latter then I'm still confused as the only way to relate "time" and "speed" is as a change of speed over time or a change in time over speed (General Relativity!).
increase in voltage , decrease in current? and vice versa......... there will always be an observsble predictable pattern in referance to the two movements?...same thing ?
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 06:17 AM
If the latter then I'm still confused as the only way to relate "time" and "speed" is as a change of speed over time or a change in time over speed (General Relativity!).
increase in voltage , decrease in current? and vice versa......... there will always be an observsble predictable pattern in referance to the two movements?...same thing ?
No... you're correct. Don't overthink it. That's not what the problem is as the problem is his presentation.
You are forced to assume what he means as opposed to him explaining it with correct labeling and provision of the equations. You are simply left to guess at what everything means and hope you guess it correctly.
There's a reason your primary school math teacher was always such a bitch about having you showing your work. When explaining new and complex theories one must take extra care to provide all sources and proofs for your theories in an ordered rigorous fashion.
Understand that I'm not bashing him for not following the style guide... I'm bashing him because the requisite information required to support his theory is simply missing.
That's no more science than Miss Cleo.
Understand that I'm not bashing him for not following the style guide... I'm bashing him because the requisite information required to support his theory is simply missing.
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I agree Cog , not for the reason I understand fully your explanations regards this all, but rather that I trust that you are competant enough to be pointing out the things you have, and the fact that you have said you consider some of BC's line s of investigation similar to your own, it is encouraging that there is the possibility of getting to some acceptable level of confirmation with the overall theory.
boycotteverything
06-24-2009, 01:01 PM
Disingenuous fantasy aside- here's an instructive look at a volcano. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195215/Stunning-pictures-hole-clouds-astronauts-witness-volcano-eruption-International-Space-Station.html It was witnessed aboard the ISS as the crew was crisping up from Van Allen radiation. Compliments of the satanic NASA-
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/24/article-0-0575A7AC000005DC-176_634x422.jpg
:shock: .......awesome pic BE, was there an accompanying text describing the gas/vapour ball ? on top of the plume?
can we give half smites ?, if it possible I would like to award you 2
Cogburn
06-24-2009, 09:14 PM
I'm just gonna take a wild guess and say that the white ball at the top of the plume is water vapor.
skunk
06-24-2009, 10:07 PM
Me thinks it was a cloud.
Bitchkoma
06-25-2009, 01:13 AM
It looks like one of those special effects you see in manga when the heroes do some shit like Thousand Flaming Hands of Buddha or something.
been checking back through his books..........
I subsequently discovered that the grid lattice could be further divided. It is now evident that the grid lines in the main system are placed at intervals of 7.5 minutes of arc north-south, and east-west. There are 21,600 minutes of arc in a circle, when this is divided by 7.5, we get a value of 2880. The grid lattice therefore is harmonically tuned to twice the speed of light, as will be shown shown in other sections.
Cogburn
06-27-2009, 11:23 PM
been checking back through his books..........
I subsequently discovered that the grid lattice could be further divided. It is now evident that the grid lines in the main system are placed at intervals of 7.5 minutes of arc north-south, and east-west. There are 21,600 minutes of arc in a circle, when this is divided by 7.5, we get a value of 2880. The grid lattice therefore is harmonically tuned to twice the speed of light, as will be shown shown in other sections.
Getting closer.
Mathematical synchronisity is not something to be lightly dismissed when studying physical phenomena.
Which book is that in? Home boy really needs to republish his works in a highly edited and condensed form.
been checking back through his books..........
I subsequently discovered that the grid lattice could be further divided. It is now evident that the grid lines in the main system are placed at intervals of 7.5 minutes of arc north-south, and east-west. There are 21,600 minutes of arc in a circle, when this is divided by 7.5, we get a value of 2880. The grid lattice therefore is harmonically tuned to twice the speed of light, as will be shown shown in other sections.
Getting closer.
Mathematical synchronisity is not something to be lightly dismissed when studying physical phenomena.
Which book is that in? Home boy really needs to republish his works in a highly edited and condensed form.
more my fault on that point,......I am as lazy as you, :roll: ........he takes care to explain his reasoning in a well ordered manner through the course of his work, he also has altered and retracted aspects in his theories as he has worked his way through , he proffers more than once the fact he has always struggled and found himself constantly on the limits of his understanding and grasp of what he considers he has found...........any hoo.....my bad for not quoting my source
THE PULSE OF THE UNIVERSE
HARMONIC 288-B.L Cathie.... Mathematics of the world grid-CH 1........page 11 paragraph 6
I'm just gonna take a wild guess and say that the white ball at the top of the plume is water vapor.
this pick was published in a news paper here yesterday with the caption , scientists think it is water vapour formed with the cooler air-mass warming on contact with the cloud, quite possibly some other comments around , maybe with a more definitive statement..... personally I would wonder how the cool air permeated the ash and dust as it appears to have, what of the cool air sitting atop the plume at the moment of the photo?.....would a "cap" of vapour seem more likely?
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 06:06 AM
Okay... WTF KIWI... check this out....
Here's the thread
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message712822/pg1
WTF am I posting this here for, right?
OP posts this on page 34...
[offsite:1tak07ml]dc monument= 38°53'22" N 77°02'07" W
approx grid harmonics / portal times [2009]=
7/15 11:18:00 UTC
8/21 15:35:00 UTC
8/25 09:25:00 UTC
9/11 04:48:00 UTC [10/28/2011 remaining kin=777]
10/6 01:35:00 UTC
10/8 10:35:00 UTC
10/29 03:29:00 UTC
One must understand this"AS OUR GREAT EARTH ROTATES"
AS OUR GREAT UNIVERSE ALIGNS
So will the son of man.
yes AS OUR GREAT EARTH ROTATES ... AS OUR GREAT UNIVERSE ALIGNS
every location on the 144000 grid has its own set of unique geometric harmonics in harmony with the sun, solar system, and universe
peace
kls
As the days of solomon,a great high tech round up i see is in order.Making all bar frequency's tuning in to the highest frequencys=man mountain.High frequency's.Humm new Jerusalem.
now...when will the GREAT 144000 GRID TUNING occur??
as in the days of the NEPHILIM
peace =)
kls
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 719263
Who ever controll's that light,and that ain't me.I call that GOD as in 'o'o my 'o' my god light.God of total creation of the universe and earth.
Me eye am just a speck of dust to this program.[/offsite:1tak07ml]
Instantly thought of this thread. Any of that babel mean anything to you as our resident Cathie expert?
Thats my prob Cog , Im a bit short on hard core math abillity, but long on the casual links that I see crop up in different places, what happens when you read a lot,
couple of examples, Ivan Sanderson deduced the Bermuda Triangle, (which he did not refer to it as ...not being tri-angular at all)
was one of four? such areas around our planet- displaced from each other 72 degrees, half 144
and this from a Chinese Mythology yarn
….” Long ago, when the goddess N?-wa was repairing the sky, she melted down a great quantity of rock and, on the Incredible Crags of the Great Fable Mountains, moulded the amalgam into thirty-six thousand, five hundred and one large building blocks, each measuring seventy-two feet by a hundred and forty-four feet square. She used thirty-six thousand five hundred of these blocks in the course of her building operations, leaving a single odd block unused, which lay, all on its own, at the foot of Greensickness Peak in the aforementioned mountains. Now this block of stone, having undergone the melting and moulding of a goddess, possessed magic powers. It could move about at will and could grow or shrink to any size it wanted….”
72 by 144 :twisted:
and around here somewhere I have a recent science journal, not a alternative type publication, where testing of a laser device ,( cant remember specifics) was abandoned as the thing refused to play properly beyond 144 ft
I have dozens of similar references where these figures keep popping up........cheers for the link, I'll go have a nose.BC has a lot of math I know you would find interesting, I will get some ready and post it, his research into the Harmonics of the Laser, and the structure of water, and he also applies his theory to temperature scales, as I said , Im not up on the maths, and an oberservation of certain numbers appearing as they do to repeat in different fields of research, is not a solid ground to be presenting this from, but It keeps me amused, it intriques me :)
Foxtrot Oscar
07-08-2009, 06:47 AM
Jezizzz Christ.
4 pages of that, I'm off for a lie down.
Fox
Heres something to sleep on :)
Aircrew members are, on the whole, a conservative breed, and they jealously guard their image as a sane and level-headed group, dedicated only to the task of flying in a "safe and expeditious manner", as it is termed in the code of regulations. So far I have been one of the few foolish people in commercial flying to stick my neck out and make public what I have seen, theorised and heard. Perhaps in the near future others in my profession will come forward give support to my statements; there are many who believe, as I do, that the truth is more important than most of the artificial criteria with which we burden ourselves in this so-called civilised society of ours. Nuclear tests are still with us, and provide a perfect check on the harmonic calculations which I described previously. The French were active at Mururoa Island again in 1968, and gave me a further opportunity to make some predictions on the possible dates on which a nuclear device could be exploded. Mostly for my own satisfaction I spent one evening calculating all| the possible combinations in harmonic values necessary for the detonation of a nuclear bomb, to cover the whole of the testing period. I was quite aware that I had not yet discovered all of the harmonics involved, but by carrying out constant checks on the activities of the scientists involved, I hoped that in time most of the secrets would eventually be revealed. I doubt if many of the boffins will welcome my constant snooping; but I believe that if the public is under a constant threat of annihilation they at least have the right to know how the mechanics of the operation will be carried out. The more knowledge we have, the better our chances of stopping these idiots from blasting our planet into eternity. A few weeks after I tucked away my calculations, I was invited to present a lecture on UFOs to the Royal Aeronautical Society in Auckland. Just before the lecture I was taken out to dinner by the president and the secretary of the society. Over the meal
conversation turned to my theories regarding the nuclear bomb tests. Not altogether unnaturally, the president was inclined to be skeptical of my methods of calculation, and he asked me quite casually when the next French bomb would be detonated. I told him that the 25th of the month, about a fortnight away, was my bet; the talk then switched to more mundane matters. The lecture, presented to a capacity audience, was well received, and the bomb discussion forgotten. On the 25th of the month the peace of Mururoa Island was shattered, and the echoes of the French nuclear explosion rippled around the world. It was another personal victory for me to chalk up. That afternoon my telephone rang. It was the president of the Royal Aeronautical Society. Could I come into the city for a chat, and could I give further test dates to cover the rest of the current French series? This I did. The dates I supplied proved to be correct, culminating in the explosion of France's hydrogen bomb. Further tests were cancelled when President de Gaulle found that the French bankers were having a lean year. It was a choice between bread and bombs, and bread won. I had proved my point that the dates of nuclear tests could be accurately predicted on the basis of harmonic calculations. The president of the Society, who is also the head of a government department, gave me a copy of notes he had made on some of my predictions. He told me that these had been passed on to the heads of other government departments. This memo is shown in photocopy No. 1. It shows that my prediction for the hydrogen bomb test was very close. For the moment I was quite satisfied with this very small error. I would have been satisfied had I been several hours out.
Newsweek magazine reported: "Drilling for future nuclear tests — Last week's underground test of an 'advanced nuclear weapon' at Pahute Mesa, north of Las Vegas, foreshadows even bigger blasts. The atomic energy commission has drilled several cased holes a mile deep in Central Nevada 100 miles north of the present test site. It has let further contracts for construction of four test holes to a depth of 6000 feet on Amchitka, the fourth island from the end of the Aleutian chain.
These holes take a year and a half to drill and mine out at the bottom. In essence the AEC is stockpiling holes in the ground against future test requirements." 46Recent computer lists of the geometric positions of many atomic tests carried out at the Nevada test site show that a great number of them have been detonated on positions which straddle a latitude of 37.1195° north. This would create a reciprocal harmonic of 2694, an average value related to the unified equations discovered in my research.
In my earlier publications I indicated that a mass value was possibly utilized for the Aleutian Island tests. Now that I have computers to work with I believe that a more accurate set of values can be demonstrated which would allow the geometric harmonics, required for successful detonation, to be fulfilled. A position of 51° 25' 10.85" north/ 179° 24' 00" east, on the south east end of the island would be ideal as a test site.
The great circle distance from this point to longitude 180°, at the same latitude is: 1347 seconds of arc; which is a half harmonic of 2694; the average value derived from the unified equations. The circumference of the parallel of latitude at 51° 25' 10.85" is: 13470 minutes of arc, or nautical miles, relative to the Equator. This again is a half harmonic of 2694 (unified equation). Other harmonics which are associated with this position and grid pole "B" in the north have connections with gravitation. This will be explained more fully in later works. For interest, the test site of Bikini Island and Eniwetok are 11° 35' north latitude, which equals 695 minutes of arc. This figure, 695, is the harmonic of the speed of light reciprocal, or 1/1439. Johnson Island is 169.5° west longitude.
In 1635 the author of Sea-Man's Practice, Richard Norwood, using a sextant of more than five feet in radius, made observations of the sun at two points which were 9149 chains apart and found a value of 69.5 statute miles for one degree of latitude. In 1671 the French astronomer Jean Picard, by means of trigonometry, was able to obtain a fairly accurate value of 69.1 statute miles. Newton made use of this value to complete his general theory of gravitation. The figure generally taken for the circumference of the earth as the equator is 25,000 statute miles. If we divide this by 360 to find the number of miles in one degree the answer is 69.444. Taking everything else into consideration I'm sure this is not just coincidence. The value of 69444 is obviously the reciprocal of the speed of light harmonic. A serious study of the origins of British standards of measure ments could be of extreme interest and possibly many of our history books would have to be rewritten as a result. The measure of one geodetic foot, equal to one six-thousandth part of a terrestrial minute of arc, which is equal to one grid foot, was proposed in early 1700 by Cassini. If this had been the standard accepted it would have been equal to the ancient Greek foot, which was five-sixth of a remen. The Parthenon was laid out to this unit The French metre could be taken as a fairly close scientific method of measuring. The standard was taken as one ten-millionth part of the length of a quadrant of the meridian measured through Paris This was established reasonably accurately in 1798 and is the equivalent of 39.37 British inches. As British measurement itself appears to be based on a geodetic equivalent, this value of 39.37 could be close to a harmonic equivalent of the resultant earth magnetic field Some work in this direction might prove to be worth while. The 74
75 British and metric systems could probably be complementary to each other. Another ancient measurement of interest is the megalithic yard of 2.72 British feet, discovered by A. Thorn. The unit is considered to be of Egyptian origin as it is found in the geometrical canon of Egyptian measures. John Mitchell in his book The City of Revelation brings out another point in connection with this unit: "All over the world the traditional units of length, area, weight and capacity are related to each other and derive from ONE ORIGINAL CANON OF COSMOLOGY. Two such are the English mile and the unit which now only survives in the East as the "pu" of Indo-China, its value given on page 358 of L. D'A. Jackson's Modern Metrology as 2.72727 miles, the fraction recurring. Without previous knowledge of this unit its former existence in Britain was deduced by Mr. J. F. Neal from his analysis of the intervals between ancient sacred sites, who called it the 'megalithic mile' on account of its ratio to the mile being virtually the same as that of the megalithic yard to the foot. There are 14,400 feet in one megalithic mile. He points out also that the ratio between the dimensions of the earth and the moon is 10:2.72727. The key point here is that one megalithic mile is equal to 14,400 British feet. Again we have the hamonic of the speed of light, 1440, connected with British measure. There are also mathematical indications that the unit could be connected in some way with the exponential function "e" which is taken as 2.7182818. The mathematicians could delve into this area with possibly interesting results. If it can be proved that English measure was the only form of calculation that was harmonically associated with the structure of the universe and geodetic measure, then a crime of great magnitude would be committed if this system were lost to the world. Right now the pressure is on to force the metric system on all countries and if this is finally accomplished the true system of measure will be hidden away, and only be made use of by the initiates.
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 07:29 AM
Here we go...
[offsite=http://www.astrosciences.info/Matrix3.htm:hwp1msk9]New Zealand pilot Bruce Cathie wrote:
“My life changed dramatically in 1952. This was the year that I saw my first UFO. The object was hovering over the Manukau Harbour, Auckland City, New Zealand, in the early evening twilight, and carried out manoeuvres that no known man-made vehicle could accomplish at that time. The thing, whatever it was, had an intensely brilliant white light, with a smaller glowing red light some distance from it, and for about twenty minutes held myself and other witnesses spellbound as it went through a series of right-angle turns, then disappeared straight up into a clear evening sky.
Ever since that time I have collected every bit of information available on the UFO phenomena. During my thousands of hours of flying I have searched the skies constantly and been rewarded with many other sightings. As time went on, I was informed by many other airline pilots in New Zealand that they, too, were sighting objects for which they could find no explanation. It became obvious that either we were being observed by some sort of advanced vehicles coming in from outer space, or that some scientific group on Earth had discovered a principle of physics unknown to the rest of us and that secret research was being carried out.”1
Cathie produced several books reporting his discoveries of the world grid and how the harmonics of the world grid are related to the physics of the universe.
He reports,
“The only way to traverse the vast distances of space is to possess the means of manipulating, or altering, the very structure of space itself—altering the space-time geometric matrix which, to us, provides the illusion of form and distance. The method of achieving this lies in the alteration of the frequencies controlling the matter-antimatter cycles that govern our awareness or perception of position in the space-time structure. Time itself is a geometric, just as Einstein postulated it. If time can be altered, the whole Universe is accessible to us. We are now on the threshold of exploring deep space.
Geometric and mathematical analysis of the polar sections of the world energy system indicated that the harmonic value for mass was
....
Speed of Light Harmonic What/Where Energy Harmonic
143791.214355761 gravity 2693567886
143791.3643831903 gravity 26935706
143860.9095887935 in air 2694867949
143891.3649196305 in vacuum 26954363
143909.0655 electromagnetic 26957666
144000 maximum 2697463486[/offsite:hwp1msk9]
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 07:33 AM
Bingo.
[offsite=http://www.whale.to/m/cathie.html:pcadp13u]The following extracts are from my published works. Complete mathematical explosions of the harmonic theory will be found in my latest publication, The Harmonic Conquest of Space, currently being published by NEXUS Magazine.
The theoretical positions for Grid Poles "A", "B" and "C" in the northern hemisphere are as follows:
Grid Pole A = Latitude: 72° 25’ 44.6812" North
Longitude: 89° 58’ 59.4336" West
Grid Pole B = Latitude: 78° 25’ 07.0046" North
Longitude: 104° 59’ 24" West
Grid Pole C = Latitude: 75° 32’ 18.7692" North
Longitude: 95° 58’ 07.1695" West
http://www.whale.to/m/images/cathie.jpg[/offsite:pcadp13u]
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 07:44 AM
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LOL?
Either the diagram is wrong or the positions are wrong.
as the length of our day is not quite right, the program above makes the allowances for lat and long at whatever position you are checking out, naturally you would need a belief that hes on to some thing before youd go that far and shell out the loooooot.......I was gonna get one and asked Apeci if he would check it out and maybe have it linked to the forum somehow so anyone interested could have a play,.....he didnt mind to look into it should i EVER GET AROUND TO DOING IT!........he got a laugh out of the " R" trademark though so all was not lost :batman:
AFTER PUBLISHING MY DISCOVERY OF THE WORLD grid system I soon came up against opposition from the academic world of the universities. Much derisive comment was made at various meetings, and the main objection appeared to be that I had used angular measurement of degrees and minutes of arc upon which to base my values of universal measurement. It was also argued that a harmonic value to base 10 was not valid as a universal multiple, as any other number, such as 12, could be employed just as effectively if my theories were correct.
At the time I could only counter these attacks on my work by pointing out the fact that I had endeavoured to make use of other values in my calculations for this very reason. I had found through trial and error that only angular measure in degrees and minutes of arc, in multiples to base 10, could be utilised to set up a system of universal harmonics. I found that this method was the only possible way to measure the harmonic relationship between light and matter regardless of the size of the body in question, be it an atom or a mass the size of Jupiter.
I also suggested that the critics should set up a system such as mine by using other basic values and harmonic equivalents if they were so sure of their ground, and to my knowledge this has never been accomplished with any success. The academics maintained that the division of a circle into degrees and minutes of arc was a random decision made by mathematicians in historical times and was therefore a purely arbitrary method of measure. The division, according to them, could just as well have been into any number of equal parts, depending on the whim of the mathematical body which set the standard.
This naturally would make all my work comletely valueless. I continued to maintain that the division of the circle must have been made due to considerations of a geometric nature, coupled with that of natural law. All the work I had done to date indicated to me that the mathematicians of old had a knowledge of the universe which we are only once again beginning to understand. The final solution to this argument could be overcome only by the discovery of a geometric connection between the harmonics of
light and the harmonics inherent in the division of a circle. As I had based my light values on minute of arc measure there must be some type of geometric arrangement which would tie them together. This was always in the back of my mind during the reading of many research books and finally I came across something which believe will answer the critics. The friend who came to my rescue was none other than Pythagoras himself, a man of great stature and forceful personality who lived in the sixth century BC.
He traveled extensively to enlarge his mathematical knowledge and was said to have gained much information from the priests of Zoroaster, who had in their possession the mathematical lore of the Mesopotamians. He founded a semi-religious, or mystical, cult based on mathematics, round about 540 BC in the township of Crotona, in southern Italy. He taught his disciples to worship numbers, the main idea being that number is the essence of all things, and is the metaphysical principle of rational order in the universe. He discovered the mathematical relationships of the musical scale and the connection of musical harmony and whole numbers. He firmly believed that all harmony and things of nature can be expressed in whole-number relationships.
Even the planets in theit orbits, according to him, moved in harmonious relationship, one to the other, producing the so-called "music of the spheres". The Pythagoreans explained the elements as built up of geometrical figures. One of the most interesting of these was the dodecahedron. That particular figure has locked within it a great deal of information on the geometrical nature of the universe. My first introduction to Pythagoras however was in the discovery that the humble right-angled triangle, with sides to the ratio of 3, 4 and 5, was the key to the relationship of the speed of light to the circle.
The clue to this was found on page 62 in John Mitchell's book The City of Revelation. He was discussing sacred numbers and referring to the problem of squaring the circle. The suggestion was that the relative dimensions of the earth and the moon indicated as answer and that the same source provided the sacred numbers of the canon. He demonstrated that if the circles of the earth and the moon and placed tangentially to each other and produced in their correct proportions, then each framed within a square, the geometric figure thus produced successfully squares the circle. With an earth
diameter of 7920 miles and that of the moon 2160 miles, the perimeters of the two squares are respectively 31680 miles and 8640 miles. The radii of the earth (3690) and the moon (1080) in combination amount to 5040 miles. This, according to Plato, is a mystical number. it turns out that the circumference of a circle struck from the centre of the earth and passing through the centre of the moon would very closely measure 31,680 miles which is also equivalent to the perimeter of the square containing the earth. Mitchell then went on to state that if the outer corner of the square containing the moon is joined to the corresponding corner of the square containing the earth, the triangle thus formed has sides of 2160, 2880, and 3600 miles.
If divided by their highest common factor, 720, these numbers become 3, 4 and 5. He follows on to say that "confronted with facts such as these, it is scarcely possible to avoid the conclusion, orthodox in every age but the present, that the cosmic canon, inherent in the solar system as in every other department of nature, was revealed to men not invented by them." It was obvious to me that from these facts another extremely interesting conclusion could be arrived at. The various geometric relationships of the 3, 4, 5 triangle are many and varied, as can be seen by a glance through any standard geometry book. But the most important of all cannot be found in any ordinary publication.
As demonstrated in other sections of my work, the pure harmonic of the speed of light is 144. If we divide this by two, to find the harmonic of one half-cycle, or half-wave, the answer is 72. If we now apply this to the Pythagoras right-angled 3,4,5 triangle and extend each side in this ratio, then the figure will now have sides of 216, 288, and 360 units. The harmonic proportions thus derived are equal to: 216 = 21600 = minutes of arc in a circle 360 = 360 = degrees in a circle 288 = 144 X 2 = 2C, where C = speed of light. It pears from this that the harmonic of light has a very definite relationship with the geometry of a circle, and that the early mathematicians were fully aware of the fact. If a triangle in this proportion is laid out in minutes of arc upon the surface of a sphere, then the combined angles formed by the corners of the triangle and the centre of the sphere are:
216 360 } minutes 288 864 minutes = 14.4 degrees This again creates a harmonic in sympathetic resonance with the light factor of 144. Can the critics still deny that the geometry of matter is directly related to the harmonic interweaving of light itself? There is no substance, in the absolute sense. We live in a reality of un-reality all is an illusion and the stuff that dreams are made of. Our physical world is nothing more than a resonating ball of light and shade.
KIWI:
I'm curious why the Moon doesn't figure into the equation... Earth / Sun relationship, okay... Earth / Moon relationship???
all I have to go on is what you've posted here... I don't read books... unless they have lots of colorful pictures in them.
ha ha , fair enough Torb, I shall move heaven, earth, and if necessary the Moon, to get you an answer
I would think the Moon's position would be an influence also, maybe its effect is negligible regards this ?
farkin good question mate 8)
after a e-mail a while back, where I mentioned the copy of his H288 book on scribd, and said I passed the link on at every op, I got a reply stating from Mr Cathie that his work was on there as an illegal doc, pirated in other words, ........I have not heard back since, in that e-mail were a few questions I put to him, one which relates to the above also, did not mention it as I still held out hope he would reply at some stage, dont look like it, anyway, here it is ....
20-3-2009
I have a few questions to ask Bruce , if you don’t mind,…..these are things I have wondered about for a long time since reading your work’s
1 : Did you ever check out the Lat / Lon of the aluminium smelter at Ti-Wai point ?.......if so, was your hunch verified regards the smelting process ?
2 : While reading a book ,titled, “TEN YEARS ON – IN THE SHADOW OF THE MUSHROOM CLOUD – An Expedition to the Atomic Testing area of Emu/Maralinga in South Australia 1967.” (Dennis K Scholes) I read that one detonation was held at night-time !!,….I did not think it was possible to detonate the device without the sun in the sky?........it did say that there was a full-moon on the date of the blast, would that be a factor that allowed this to happen?
3 : I cannot find reference anywhere to the paitings you describe showing the “Rocket” in the tomb situated on the Palatine in Rome?
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 09:33 AM
I cannot find reference anywhere to the paitings you describe showing the “Rocket” in the tomb situated on the Palatine in RomeJohn Lear has the sketch.
I cannot find reference anywhere to the paitings you describe showing the “Rocket” in the tomb situated on the Palatine in RomeJohn Lear has the sketch.
tell John my advice is to apply a generous blob of calomine lotion, lay back with legs elevated, and for fuck sake dont skratch it :rock:
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 08:57 PM
that's sound reasoning, kiwi, but john doesn't listen to me because he thinks i'm 'a lying, fucked-up piece of dogshit with the brain of an earth worm and balls the size of peas'- or something like that.
skunk
07-08-2009, 08:59 PM
Sounds about right.
that's sound reasoning, kiwi, but john doesn't listen to me because he thinks i'm 'a lying, fucked-up piece of dogshit with the brain of an earth worm and balls the size of peas'- or something like that.
everyone displays their love in a dfferent way grass-hopper, John is no exception....................relax
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 09:13 PM
hahahahahah ok. in that case i'll let the lying cocksucking piece of catshit know.
oh jesus- look what i started-
Sounds about right.
pack3tg0st
07-08-2009, 09:15 PM
You guys could swap ass pictures!
nothing brings people together like naked ass pictures!
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 09:16 PM
he's already got my best ones. it hasn't helped!
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 09:19 PM
sorry for derailing your thread, kiwi. carry on. please post everything you've got from Bruce Cathie so we have in our hard drives- and then we all can burn our computers and complete the process.
sorry for derailing your thread, kiwi. carry on. please post everything you've got from Bruce Cathie so we have in our hard drives- and then we all can burn our computers and complete the process.
on the contrary,.......if ya give it ya better be able to take it :twisted: I put my share of rocks on the tracks
and to be fair, read it before you burn it :ban:
there by maximising the energy within, the effect will be two-fold, 1: to stir the stagnant grey sludge that resides (in a state of myopic slumber) between your audio wave guides, and 2:..........warm your worthless carcass to a temp that will allow it to transit the space between you and the fridge, where upon you set about enjoying your second can of dog food for the year
Bon apettit...........
boycotteverything
07-08-2009, 10:11 PM
OK. I've changed my mind. That last Cathie burning caused too much collateral damage.
http://www.minresco.com/jpg/ablast.jpg
woof...
Cogburn
07-08-2009, 10:13 PM
there by maximising the energy within, the effect will be two-fold, 1: to stir the stagnant grey sludge that resides (in a state of myopic slumber) between your audio wave guides, and 2:..........warm your worthless carcass to a temp that will allow it to transit the space between you and the fridge, where upon you set about enjoying your second can of dog food for the year
Bon apettit...........
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would of been back sooner but couldnt stop :lol: :lol:
double smite
I e-mail Bruce about his book banning and this was all he had to say . . . . :D
Wednesday 15 July 09
Hi Jo
Yes. About 10/12,000 of my first three books, in paperback, were destroyed by the publishers in New Zealand. No explanation given.
I was told by an agent that my books would be banned at the time. They are still not sold in great numbers.
Kind Regards
Bruce Cathie.
century
12-25-2011, 03:56 PM
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anarch
12-25-2011, 04:17 PM
Is that really worth watching. An hour seems a bit long. Does homeboy have a 5 minute or less summation video?
RedneckR0nin
12-25-2011, 06:26 PM
was having a chat with WZ0 about volcanoes recently, Bruce Cathie has spent time studying them and I will post his theory here when Ive typed it out, ....I was looking about on you-tube and found this short clip from an observation camera that happened to catch an eruption, cant admit to having seen many from a vantage point like this, but quite a suprise to see the way it blew............. :shock:
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If your legitimately asking how they work....then someone never paid attention in grade three science...
WynHawks
12-25-2011, 06:58 PM
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century
12-25-2011, 11:31 PM
Is that really worth watching. An hour seems a bit long. Does homeboy have a 5 minute or less summation video?
Probably not worth your time,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlBXVewibHo&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL963096C56D6EA5C1
Keith Hunter Website: http://www.ancient-world-mysteries.com/
How nuclear weapons work. Classified secrets of the nuclear bomb revealed. How they are based upon the Music of the Spheres and how the Sun in particular is used as a trigger to engineer a nuclear explosion through Celestial Resonance. A detailed evaluation of the Hiroshima bomb, and 4 major nuclear tests of great historical significance, including Mike (1952), King (1952), Bravo (1954), and Grapple Y (1958).
A brief history of the pioneering work of Bruce Cathie is also revealed, noting his successful prediction of certain French Nuclear Tests in the Pacific in 1968, and also his work on the Earth Energy Grid Matrix. In addition to this the work of Walter Russell is itself mentioned, and his waveform periodic table of elements is detailed, as allows one to understand how celestial resonance links in to elemental resonance to trigger a nuclear explosion.