Cogburn vs. CIT: The 9/11 Pentagon Debate? Maybe....

[Cogburn]

I've been fucking w/ CIT for close to a year now ever since I stumbled across their nonsense on ATS.

Initially I started out as a skeptical supporter until, in typical CT fashion, I asked a question that wasn't easily answered and suddenly I'm a disinfo plant and a JRef'er.

I've posted all this before.

Now it seems they've got a new video out which is being billed as a "nail in the coffin" for the Pentagon event conspiracy.

I've watched their new stuff and it's still the same old shit. Parsing of eye witness testimony to the point where it becomes meaningless and pliable and generally under-researched poorly supported poppycock.

Well I called them on it when they posted on GLP this time and it set them right the fuck off.

Here's a link to the thread if you're interested. Called me everything but a white boy. The video that kicked off this round is in the OP of the URL.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message816355/pg1

Regardless, I challenged them to an in-person video taped debate some time ago and they flat refused. They're a big and tough crew on the internet and on the phone but don't seem to do that well in live interactions. I wanted to see just how well they are able to present and defend their information in real-time, in person.

It's gotten to the point now where we're at the same crossroads. The CIT chuckleheads live not 100 miles from me in LA so it's not like it's that big a deal to meet up in a bar w/ a video camera but it's always gas money or some shit standing in the way.

I just wanted to start this thread as just one more time where it appears on the internet that CIT are a bunch of wannabe's that have manufactured their own conspiracy in the hopes of cashing in themselves.

We'll see if they accept my debate challenge this time.

[pack3tg0st]

generally under-researched poorly supported poppycock.

Whoa! such foul language lol

j/k

What douchebags... wonder if there's a way to set them up so that if they DON'T talk with you... they'll look like assholes...

[Cogburn]

They are assholes if they agree or not.

They declined my offer for a live debate. How shocking.

[offsite:1jv6pq7h]Cogburn,

Sorry but I am not compelled to spend a half a day of my life to meet an anonymous internet troll who is unable to formulate a coherent argument online.

My prior offer to debate you over the phone is off the table unless and until you draft a written argument against the evidence we present with counter-evidence and sources provided and sign your real name to it that we can verify.

Craig Ranke
CIT[/offsite:1jv6pq7h]

We won't mention that I offered to come down there so they wouldn't have to travel.

I also like how everything has to be formalized in triplicate before they'll debate their information. I'm surprised they didn't ask for it to be notarized as well.

I'd be wary providing these folks with any sort of real personal information. They've created an enemies list and have been caught trolling and harassing folks that didn't agree with them in the past.

They just can't stand anyone with a brain disagreeing with their half-baked, unsupported theories. It just burns them that they can't figure out who I am.

Ah well... I thought it might get exciting for a minute. Bunch of opportunisitic douchebags.

[theeindiee]

9/11 was a blowjob for the masochistic majority! Remain helpless. It's okay. Plenty of orchestrated and non-orchestrated fake real anti-trauma trauma to keep you hypnotized with self waste and reverse ego stroking. Shut up and hate yourself because it feels comfortable. Beat yourself over the head trying to find the culprit. Don't look in the mirror, America. Oh GOD, don't do THAT!!!!

[pack3tg0st]

sources provided and sign your real name to it that we can verify.

your response:

Enter whatever arguments hereXXX

Signed-

Mark Allin

[Lexion]

sources provided and sign your real name to it that we can verify.

your response:

Enter whatever arguments hereXXX

Signed-

Mark Allin

Fucking SMITE !!!!

[Cogburn]

sources provided and sign your real name to it that we can verify.

your response:

Enter whatever arguments hereXXX

Signed-

Mark Allin

Fucking SMITE !!!!
ROFL Seriously.

[skunk]

What exactly is wrong with their argument? I remember running into Craig Ranke a few times at that other site, but I didn't pay much attention to what he was saying. It is mighty suspicious surveillance tapes just happened to go missing right before the missile hit the pentagon though.

:smokin:

[Cogburn]

Except that they didn't. CIT never requested them like I did.

CIT lied about a VADOT FOIA request to prove or disprove that the lightpoles were staged. No such FOIA was filed and CIT refuses to provide the documentation that it was.

Repeatedly no attempt is made to directly reconcile witness testimony with measurable pitch, yaw, and altitude. There are ways to do so without complex calculations and only the simplest of materials. This has never been done regardless of the number of times a witness was interviewed. All "facts" were taken on face value.

CIT refuses to reconcile contradictory witness statements, such as the ever-morphing testimony of Sgt. Lagasse or the testimony of Robert Truillo which directly refutes the "no plane" scenario.

CIT simply refuses to admit to themselves that Lloyde England is just some bored old taxi driver hoping to gain 15 minutes of fame from the 9/11 attacks. He doesn't care one way or another about how he is perceived on the internet and that is blatantly obvious from his numerous videotaped interviews. CIT still clings to the fact that he is some TPTB pawn.

"Fly off" mathematics as presented by CIT/P4T are inconsistent with their own out-of-context witness testimony, placing the plane at least 100 feet above the Pentagon and well within the view of the Doubletree Security cameras.

Repeated analysis of the security hut video clearly shows a plane. CIT has not once refuted my analysis of the security hut video and yet ignores this evidence completely.

The list goes on and on and on....