View Full Version : To Spank or Not to Spank: Who's Right?
Ducky
06-18-2009, 08:22 PM
Let the Community Debate Begin!
Here's a little somethin somethin to get the juices flowing:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=14045990&ch=222562
Lexion
06-18-2009, 08:23 PM
Beat the fucker.
Kate needs to get a good
beating.
Regards,
Lex
pack3tg0st
06-18-2009, 08:26 PM
Spank... for sure...
http://www.neonjesus.com/image/anim/spank300.gif
Ducky
06-18-2009, 08:33 PM
Spank... for sure...
http://www.neonjesus.com/image/anim/spank300.gif
Is THAT your child YOU PERVY?
lolololololololol
Sick mutha.
You didn't answer the question right.
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-18-2009, 08:36 PM
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/633595080813249931-violence.jpg
I think you should be able to smack them . . . some time a quick clip is all thats needed to let them know you mean it, and to be used only after every other option. But not bashing or slapping the face . . . but a smack on the bum never hurt anyone. . . . But I do think if it is done where they are raised with continual fear that a different story. I was raised terrified of my father, we used to beg mum not to tell dad. . . I got thrash so bad once that after 3 days mum dragged me out from under my bed as I wouldn't come out . . . missed school for 3 days . . . I don't really have many memory of my child hood and anything I do remember not nice, but that was the way and there were kids that got alot worse than we did . . . It was the old saying children were to be seen but not heard, and I'm sure the old man beleived that, but we didn't have as hard as they would of as children. . .
Ducky
06-18-2009, 08:43 PM
Hmmmmmmmm....
What would be an acceptable amount of spanking folks?
Ducky
06-18-2009, 08:55 PM
I think you should be able to smack them . . . some time a quick clip is all thats needed to let them know you mean it, and to be used only after every other option. But not bashing or slapping the face . . . but a smack on the bum never hurt anyone. . . . But I do think if it is done where they are raised with continual fear that a different story. I was raised terrified of my father, we used to beg mum not to tell dad. . . I got thrash so bad once that after 3 days mum dragged me out from under my bed as I wouldn't come out . . . missed school for 3 days . . . I don't really have many memory of my child hood and anything I do remember not nice, but that was the way and there were kids that got alot worse than we did . . . It was the old saying children were to be seen but not heard, and I'm sure the old man beleived that, but we didn't have as hard as they would of as children. . .
My biological father was a real treat.
Back in the days when when he was still married to Ma. He had a 'penality system', whereby if you crossed the line with him (not doing chores on time etc) he would penalize us with so-many cracks across the hands (on boths sides). These 'cracks' consisted of either using his bare hand, or if he didn't feel the need and was too lazy, it consistied of using a 'hard-surfaced device'; i.e. 2x4 board.
Mind you, the callouses built up after awhile (can't fault kids for being kids) and the bastard eventually in the end resorted to a 2x4 with a nail posted in the end of the board. He thought by hanging it on the wall -for all to see- would deter any future bad actions. He also got into the habit of tieing kids to the bedposts and leaving them there for the better part of the day. All in the name of 'punishment'.
Needless to say, he was a sick fuck, and what I went through is just the tip of the iceberg. 'Fear' was definately the name-of-the-game at the time, and sad to say, I was a part of it.
Getting back to my OP...
Should a certain amount of spanking be permitted, and HOW so?
Cogburn
06-18-2009, 08:59 PM
After a certain age it's an embarrassment tool.
What 12 year old wants to be seen in public being spanked by their parents.
I've studied one form of martial arts or another since I was 13. If there's one thing it's taught me is that there is real value to negative reinforcement.
i]21mzWdfHnwgi]
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Leave it to the robots...
[attachment=0:2os85e5q]spanking.jpg[/attachment:2os85e5q]
Ducky
06-18-2009, 09:08 PM
After a certain age it's an embarrassment tool.
What 12 year old wants to be seen in public being spanked by their parents.
I've studied one form of martial arts or another since I was 13. If there's one thing it's taught me is that there is real value to negative reinforcement.
f]21mzWdfHnwgf]
EMBARRASSMENT?
At what age should we stop spanking our kids?
f]YnfFTVjRpLIf]
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 09:27 PM
violence is wrong. especially against children and small animals.
pack3tg0st
06-18-2009, 09:28 PM
I dunno ducks...
I'm kinda playing this parenting thing by ear :P
My kids will be 4 and 2 this year... only mild swats to the butt so far...
Ducky
06-18-2009, 09:43 PM
violence is wrong. especially against children and small animals.
What is 'violence' and what is 'loving chastisement'...a.k.a. 'spanking'?
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 09:44 PM
spanking with love is like fucking with hate. both are rape.
Ducky
06-18-2009, 09:46 PM
spanking with love is like fucking with hate. both are rape.
Ever spanked your kids at any time?
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 09:47 PM
not once
Ducky
06-18-2009, 09:48 PM
Really....
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 09:52 PM
really. nor was i ever spanked as a child. not once.
Cogburn
06-18-2009, 10:08 PM
You should stop spanking your kids when it ceases to be effective.
Perhaps in BE's case it was judged as to never be effective.
Lexion
06-18-2009, 10:12 PM
You should stop spanking your kids when it ceases to be effective.
Perhaps in BE's case it was judged as to never be effective.
Too high to spank.
Next Reality Show.
Enjoy,
Lex
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 10:20 PM
Perhaps in BE's case it was judged as to never be effective.It was never considered. We were taught, and we teach, that violence and love are mutually exclusive.
Cogburn
06-18-2009, 10:25 PM
Perhaps in BE's case it was judged as to never be effective.It was never considered. We were taught, and we teach, that violence and love are mutually exclusive.
Love and hate, perhaps, but not love and violence.
Violence with the most heartfelt of love is repeated over and over.
Who are you to diminish the emotions of others as to say that because one is violent it must not be real love?
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 10:28 PM
Who are you to diminish the emotions of others as to say that because one is violent it must not be real love?just me. do as you please.
torbjon
06-18-2009, 10:38 PM
I feel that reinforcing your physical superiority over your offspring is a simple fact of nature. I've seen too many mamas swat their cubs... there was no 'hatred' or 'malice' or even 'anger' present, just 'you are not paying attention, this is IMPORTANT, *swat* now pay attention'.
If the parents are abusive with their (short lived) physical superiority, chances are their offspring will (someday) kill their parents....
It's a fine line... kinda like nukes... use 'em or lose 'em, but don't abuse 'em, ya know?
Nola has been swatted. Considering how stubborn and pig headed she is, she will most likely be swatted again someday...
conversely, I've also taught her various ways to defend herself AND how to inflict some Serious injuries (even kill) any animals (including humans, which includes me) that may try to harm her or enforce their will over her.
somebody asked When do you Stop spanking your kids... at what age... that kind of depends upon what you teach them, yes? In Nola's case, that will be about another year or so, say Seven years old, as she will be large enough and (hopefully) posses sufficient skills to seriously fuck you up should you attack her...
If you deny your children the knowledge and skills to 'fight back', then chances are you (and others) will be able to bully them for the rest of their lives.
Thread titles....I thought this would be about spouses...
Thats the thing Ducky where is the line !!! My boys are 10 and 12 I haven't smacked them for years I find reward system to work better as they get older .With my eldest as he a little shit, I tend to threaten to smack but never do, in response to him hitting his brother . . . but I feel he is to old now to take that course of action and best to work out by talking to him and to get him to take responsibility for his actions . . . . but I do feel once they are old enough to talk to and understand what your saying there is no need. But to me a smack is a tap on the bum or tap on the hand not using any tool, strap or such like, or close fists . . . .
Ducky
06-18-2009, 11:12 PM
Torb brought up a great response.
Even if it is shown in nature, do we have to do what nature does?
If my 2 yr old cannot respond to something that an adult wishes him/her to adhere to, and that same said child only responds to *QUICK, DECISIVE, INTRINSIC AND INSTINCTIVE instincts (nurturing) Though my kids are in their late teens now...does that make the parent a volitile person, not worthy of parenting?
Same COULD be said of a parent taking 'decisive' actions amongst teenagers?
A child will respond sooner and will act accordingly to a parent's swift RESPONSE......FASTER than 'emotional or linguistic logistics'.
It's a known fact.
Ducky
06-18-2009, 11:13 PM
Thats the thing Ducky where is the line !!! My boys are 10 and 12 I haven't smacked them for years I find reward system to work better as they get older .With my eldest as he a little shit, I tend to threaten to smack but never do, in response to him hitting his brother . . . but I feel he is to old now to take that course of action and best to work out by talking to him and to get him to take responsibility for his actions . . . . but I do feel once they are old enough to talk to and understand what your saying there is no need. But to me a smack is a tap on the bum or tap on the hand not using any tool, strap or such like, or close fists . . . .
Also, a great answer babes!
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 11:19 PM
It's a known fact.source?
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 11:22 PM
in that poll above there are two 'no' votes. who's the other one?
FancyFree
06-18-2009, 11:28 PM
well said lala :)
my kids have gotten spankings and i see no harm in them when done within reason. spanking is a last resort for me and depends also on the severity of the situation. i think i have spanked a total of 3 times. With young children sometimes thats the only thing that clicks and gets the message across. You cant reason with a 2 yr old.....my one daughter was 2 and we were at an elderly ladies house and she had some very rare collectibles which i had told my daughter not to touch, well she touched it, and promptly got a swat on her hand for it, she didnt try and touch it again and in minutes was playing happily. My girls are happy and well adjusted, i dont think the times they got spanked or swatted on the hand has traumatized them any. Im a firm believer in discipline, as i believe when boundries are crystal clear and discipline is doled out accordingly and in a fair and appropriate manner, kids are happier. But discipline should never outweigh an abundance of love, love and more love...discipline them qiuckly and fairly and get back to loving and supporting and guiding them. My dad spanked my brother and I, but i could not have ever had a better dad...he was strict when he needed to be (and we were shit scared of him when we did somrthing bad lol) and he expected us to do our best constantly but he was also (and still is) the most loving, gentle, honest and supportive and honorable man i've ever known. I am a total daddys girl but thru it all he's my hero even though he was strict and did spank.
FancyFree
06-18-2009, 11:29 PM
fucking helllll typing with one hand sucks! lol
skunk
06-18-2009, 11:30 PM
Spanking is fine ducky, everybody does it.
:pound:
Ducky
06-18-2009, 11:31 PM
in that poll above there are two 'no' votes. who's the other one?
Did you vote yet?
boycotteverything
06-18-2009, 11:32 PM
hahahah wasn't that implied?
Eyeforalie
06-19-2009, 05:41 AM
To each their own.
I got hit as a kid. I deserved it most of the time, but it still sucks. I learned the difference between right and wrong but I dont believe that me being hit or spanked played a major role in that. I didnt really give a fuck about it after a while. It never hurt anymore than a skinned knee or broken bone and I didnt learn from those mistakes. Fun is fun. Sometimes its fun to be bad. Adults do it. Kids do also. So why hit them? I make mistakes all the time. It would be a major bummer if every time I fucked up a big man came up to me and gave me a Charlie-horse. Id probably kill him come to think of it.
I personally think its important to teach children the reasons something shouldn't be done opposed to teaching the punishment an unruly action.
Be proactive.
WarlordZeroOne
06-19-2009, 07:09 AM
This is a Topic friends you cannot Bottom,he,s right, she's wrong, then she's right, he's wrong,its all a useless conversation, NO OFFENSE to THE STARTER of this Topic, and just for the RECORD i beleive in SPANKING and not the sexual kind.
Cogburn
06-19-2009, 04:39 PM
fucking helllll typing with one hand sucks! lol
Uh huh....
:pound:
Over here there debating how to enforce the law for no smacking . . . it came out last year, lots are getting done and big debates over where the line is . . . . Do any of you have no smacking law's in your country? We had quite a few cases were little kids were killed by parents or care givers, and the islanders beleive in bashing there kids quite harshly and the gang family rule by fist so I think that is partly why they made this lawer up . . . they don't just do them, they send them to be educated in parenting skills . . . :)
boycotteverything
06-19-2009, 07:23 PM
hugs- good. smacks- bad. but we already know that, no?
boycotteverything
06-19-2009, 07:31 PM
I've studied one form of martial arts or another since I was 13.Well!! Aren't you speshullll! A regular Jackie What's-his -face! My Gramma had the exact words for you- Sich arum vie a fortz in russell. Wear it proudly- It's a great fit.
Cogburn
06-19-2009, 08:04 PM
... and as grandpa used to say "Ayin kafin yan, kvetch."
I've done more, seen more and been more and I'm half your age. I'm simply better than you. Get over it. I have.
GeneralStriker
06-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Ever saved a Muslim family from Tehran by bringing them to Istanbul? I have- in 2001. Ever drop acid with Abbie Hoffman? I have. Ever schmooze with Martin Luther King in the wee hours of the morning? I have. Ever been to Cuba and met with Fidel? I have. And what have you done exactly? Bullshitted on a fucking forum? 'Fart in a barrel' fits you well.
Cogburn
06-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Sometimes.... it's just too easy.
skunk
06-19-2009, 08:31 PM
Ever have delusions of grandeur?
Cogburn
06-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Ever successfully bait a troll?
skunk
06-19-2009, 08:34 PM
I think you did. *golf clap*
GeneralStriker
06-19-2009, 08:37 PM
you are self-satisfied mediocrities. there's no grandeur here. just the way it is.
skunk
06-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Here, let me help you out a bit :pound: .
Cogburn
06-19-2009, 08:43 PM
If you search for grandeur within internet forums the problem is hardly the medium.
GeneralStriker
06-19-2009, 08:45 PM
there's no grandeur here. just the way it is.
skunk
06-19-2009, 08:48 PM
God complex. Google it, give in to the borg.