No matter your race, gender, religon, creed....

[Alessandra]

We're all human.

this has to be one of the most touching images I've seen.

Taken from the protests in Tehran:

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4931_99627677889_18297877889_2546798_3408852_n.jpg

The protester is helping his 'enemy'. We all need to consider the fact we're all people. We're all Human. If one of us gets wounded, why would you let them suffer, they are just like you?

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Yes it is.

For real or not? I'm not sure.

Yesterday there were clips on the news of a PC that had come off of his bike, the bike was on fire. The PC was walked to the side, I'm sure it was a different incident, and nobody lay a finger on him.

The Persians are a proud people that have done more for civilization than most will ever know.

Sad it is that the world is the way it is. I would love someday to visit Iran.

Fox

[Foxtrot Oscar]

This just in from the BBC...


Iranian state radio says seven people were killed during Monday's protests in Tehran over the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The reports said the deaths came after "thugs" attacked a military post.

The BBC's Jon Leyne says that in light of what he saw of the vast and largely peaceful protests this seems an unlikely version of events.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8102224.stm

Oh dear! It really could go down hill now. I had the feeling that the police were being left alone because no one had been really hurt.

Fox

[MBF]

I hope the Iranian people can get a change of government. The world would be a better place. I've heard for a lot of years that the Iranian government would implode on its own one day. Maybe that time is here. You can oppress the people for just so long before something happens.

[Alessandra]

a friend of mine also made a comment, in chat tonight

"its a lesson to us complacent americans, that if we truly believe in something... we have to fight for it"

Maybe us Americans will learn something (ha! yeah right).

[skunk]

Viva la revolucion...Amerikan idols back on see ya later.

[Alessandra]

*facepalm*

[Cogburn]

We're all human.

this has to be one of the most touching images I've seen.

Taken from the protests in Tehran:

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4931_99627677889_18297877889_2546798_3408852_n.jpg

The protester is helping his 'enemy'. We all need to consider the fact we're all people. We're all Human. If one of us gets wounded, why would you let them suffer, they are just like you?
Were not there images like this one might be inclined to believe that there really was no true strife in Iran.

Long live the agitator!

[WarlordZeroOne]

We are all Human,could it be these same people of today unhappy with the rigged Election ( and i hate that bastard Dinnerjad ) may turn out also when unhappy be some more SUICIDE BOMBERS, i hope not but don't forget that crazy religion of theirs makes nutcases by the million what a melting pot. :projectile:

[theeindiee]

gay.

[Alessandra]

We are all Human,could it be these same people of today unhappy with the rigged Election ( and i hate that bastard Dinnerjad ) may turn out also when unhappy be some more SUICIDE BOMBERS, i hope not but don't forget that crazy religion of theirs makes nutcases by the million what a melting pot. :projectile:


Muslim suicide bombers are not going to Paradise, mind you. They turned their back on their religion when they decided to become aggressive. Islam is supposed to be one of the more peaceful religions. Morons who misread and then do a piss poor job on interpreting the Qur'an give them a bad name.

Unfortunately, all religions are like this. I just wish people would stop generalizing the fact that several "muslims" ruin the whole religion. I could say a fuck ton of "Christians" ruin that faith too. Fucking crazy Christians.

Anyhow.

Stop downing Islam. Seriously. We need to start picking on something else, if that's the problem (needing something to discriminate against). How about smokers?

[pack3tg0st]

Using a blanket statement linking all of the muslim world to suicide bombers is alot like me saying all christians bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors...

it just doesn't work...

Extremists are everywhere, of all religions.

[skunk]

If people didn't believe that bullshit propaganda, Chi wouldn't have to say it. Our own kacen the fascist hates muslims for no apparent reason.

[pack3tg0st]

Hate is "in" skunk...

tolerance is sooo 1990's.

[Alessandra]

>.< Tolerance should never be passé.
Sigh.

edit: Yay 800 posts XD

[skunk]

Hatred is for the weak.

[pack3tg0st]

yah, but you have to admit...

in the last decade... hate has become fashionable...

makes ya go WTF doesn't it?

[skunk]

In an increasingly globalized society, it is to be expected. Different cultures clash with each other, as does religion, "race", creed, and so forth. I would hope to see more compassion and understanding in the future, but I'd suspect decades of violence is on the horizon.

[Ima Nasshole]

And to think that for the last 20 to 30 years it is the "free love" hippie generation that has wielded this power, so much for anything free, and so much for love.

[Alessandra]

just because they came from the same generation, doesn't mean the hippies themselves are responsible.

edit: oh shit, I see Kacen.

[pack3tg0st]

Hippies were the minority...

They just created a ton of "noise".

The majority still followed right along with the brainwashing.

[boycotteverything]

Hippies were the minority...

They just created a ton of "noise".

The majority still followed right along with the brainwashing.very true. we were a tiny minority- and still are.

[skunk]

And to think that for the last 20 to 30 years it is the "free love" hippie generation that has wielded this power, so much for anything free, and so much for love.

I don't know why you blame the "hippies" for all of the world's problems. The world was fucked up before the late sixties/early seventies, was fucked up during their "revolution", and is still fucked up. I think you just have a personal problem with them, which is fine. I don't like hypocrites either.

But to blame them for everything that's wrong with this world is lunacy. And no, they do not have power now nor did they have power the last 20-30 years. As the two posters above me mentioned, they were a vocal minority. The majority was still a bunch of square pieces of dog shit.

[boycotteverything]

so much for anything freeEverything truly worthwhile having is free. And its name is Love.

[pack3tg0st]

Everything truly worthwhile having is free. And its name is Love.

http://www.pouet.net/screenshots/29416.png

[boycotteverything]

sappy, but also true.

[mojo]

The Persians are a proud people that have done more for civilization than most will ever know.

Sad it is that the world is the way it is. I would love someday to visit Iran.

Fox

true...i would love to visit some archaeological sites in Iran, saw a wonderful doco as well some months ago about the generosity Iranians show towards visitors.



see...fox...i didnt once mention the sumerians. :P

[Snow Crash]

gay.

Your resume?

[boycotteverything]

Indie's resume':

"I run a band in my mum's garage. We're not very good. I hate my drummer because she's bold. Oh wait- I also hate Jews."

[Snow Crash]

I hate my drummer because she's bold."

I thought is cos she told him to fuck off when he asked her to ram a cucumber up his anal passage?

[boycotteverything]

gotta admit--- that pretty bold.

[Snow Crash]

It is rather.... forward, of him

[WarlordZeroOne]

I agree with the Majority i am not Blanket Blaming, all religions have two sides just like a coin,BUT i never said ALL muslims are Terrorists,BUT the terrorists just happen to be of the Muslin faith, to go a step further when you look at the so called CHRISTIAN faith god help us,its the politicians who are at fault not me not you,we all stand up or try, for our FREEDOM and yes its shit when the line gets walked over DEAD civilians in the name of Democracy are sprawled in different countrys streets,I will also say this that if a powerfull government has to kill a few thousand people in the name of the wests freedom they would not hesitate,and also for that freedom would blow our planet to bits before let Muslims or communists take control,and if anybody thinks that the west would allow,Muslims or Commy's to take control they have their heads in the sand.or up their arses.

[Snow Crash]

BUT the terrorists just happen to be of the Muslin faith

Army of God
FARC
Action Directe
The Real IRA
Combat 18
November 17
Red Brigade PCC
Japanese Red Army

Yep, whole lot of Muslim Terrorists right there...

[Ima Nasshole]

just because they came from the same generation, doesn't mean the hippies themselves are responsible.

edit: oh shit, I see Kacen.
Show me a photo of a crooked politician from 2009, and I'll show you a 40 year old photo of that same guy with an afro, bell bottum pants, wearing a pair of Elton John sunglasses.

[pack3tg0st]

i never said ALL muslims are Terrorists,BUT the terrorists just happen to be of the Muslin faith

"Terrorist" is a label tossed around by both sides...

What we call U.S. Special Forces... the world calls "terrorists".

What Jihadists call "freedom fighters", we call "terrorists.."

Its all about perspective.

Thus, it stands to reason that all the "terrorists" you hear about, are naturally enemies of the United States... which, currently, the majority happens to be Islamic Extremists.

Instead of Invading countries... we now "liberate" them... When someone else we don't like charges into another country... THEN its convenient to call it an "invasion"

In fact, our government and news media has done a good job re-defining words to suit their needs...

Democracy is now synonymous with the American way of life...

Domestic Terrorism now includes revolutionaries who want to change how things run in the U.S.

Linguistics plays a big role in effective propaganda.

[pack3tg0st]

Here is a great chapter from Normand Baillargeon called "Treacherous Words" from his book "A Short Course in Intellectual Self Defense".

It might be a lengthy read, but it shows how propaganda uses certain linguistic "tricks" to muddy the waters...

Enjoy (http://books.google.com/books?id=S2nh2Ffds7gC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=Normand+Baillargeon+treacherous+words&source=bl&ots=6ggp9cMrkz&sig=ByjDJejD3yqSmQ-SDA1ByZycpbo&hl=en&ei=_es3SoWgEIiIswPd3MWCDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA24,M1)

[WarlordZeroOne]

Its all like Elections Winners Losers,when i read some articles i get a strong feeling at times some folks seem to have a low opinion of the U.S.A soldiers, on AmKon and the U.S.A. NONE of us on AmKon are stupid we need soldiers,we give the politicians the power,and when a particular side of society gets angry enough we get Demonstrations,just like whats taking place in IRAN,and as it happens the people who are Demonstrating Deserve Medals in a country like IRAN,it might just lead to getting rid of Dinnerjad,and these young people of IRAN want Democracy and when they think they have been robbed by this Dictater Dinnerjad,its obvious change is coming,the only thing i am concerned about is how far will diinerjad go to keep office. I wish these young people all the LUCK in the world to win through.

[boycotteverything]

just because they came from the same generation, doesn't mean the hippies themselves are responsible.

edit: oh shit, I see Kacen.
Show me a photo of a crooked politician from 2009, and I'll show you a 40 year old photo of that same guy with an afro, bell bottum pants, wearing a pair of Elton John sunglasses.John McCain? George Bush? Dick Cheney? Don Rumsfeld? Let's see the photos. And kindly don't confuse 'style' with politics- if you have the brains to avoid it...

[pack3tg0st]

The president isn't where the power is...

In Iran, the power resides with the Supreme Leader... Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/Ayatollah-Ali-Khamenei.jpg

[offsite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran:3irf8b44]The Supreme Leader of Iran is responsible for delineation and supervision of the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran.[107] The Supreme Leader is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, controls the military intelligence and security operations; and has sole power to declare war or peace.

...

After the Supreme Leader, the Constitution defines the President of Iran as the highest state authority. The President is elected by universal suffrage for a term of four years and can only be re-elected for one term. Presidential candidates must be approved by the Council of Guardians prior to running in order to ensure their allegiance to the ideals of the Islamic revolution. The President is responsible for the implementation of the Constitution and for the exercise of executive powers, except for matters directly related to the Supreme Leader, who has the final say in all matters[/offsite:3irf8b44]

On a side note... I do not have a low opinion of U.S. soldiers... I was one for six years. I have a low opinion of the rich guys in suits who tell them what to do...

The soldiery itself is just doing its job.

[boycotteverything]

The President is elected by universal suffrage for a term of four years and can only be re-elected for one term.Better correct you source. This is term 2.

[pack3tg0st]

yah, but doesn't that make it his first re-election?

[boycotteverything]

yes. but he beat Khatami in 2005. so this is his second term. oh!!! i see your point! hahahah what a dummy!

[pack3tg0st]

He was elected in 2005... and this is his first re-election...

[offsite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad:r0u3xuw2]He became president after winning the 2005 presidential election and was ostensibly re-elected to a second term in 2009[/offsite:r0u3xuw2]

[WarlordZeroOne]

C'Mon Pack we all know who the supreme leader is,i remember the original coming from France and stuffed his penis into the Shah,at the end of the day its a Dictatorship.we have had enough of those,would you agree with that. please don't take offense.

[pack3tg0st]

Its not a dictatorship... Its a theocracy...

[boycotteverything]

He was elected in 2005... and this is his first re-election...

[offsite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad:36dacjxw]He became president after winning the 2005 presidential election and was ostensibly re-elected to a second term in 2009[/offsite:36dacjxw]yeah. sorry- premature ejaculation on that one!

[WarlordZeroOne]

You are great Pack, let me put it this way i would not want him as my Primeminister or the U.S. President.

[pack3tg0st]

Oh I wouldn't either lol He's kind of an asshole...

But he's pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things...

He's limited in what he can do by having to ask permission fromt he Supreme Leader all the time...

We'll see if my "Theory" on Iran is correct in a year or so...

Watch Pakistan... thats how we'll know :P

[Ima Nasshole]

The President is elected by universal suffrage for a term of four years and can only be re-elected for one term.Better correct you source. This is term 2.
And you call ME a fucking moron? Pfft!

[boycotteverything]

I have to agree, Packer. The guy is simply tool of the mullahs, a ridiculous instrument of foreign policy. The State of Iran is indeed harmless. A little noisy, perhaps- but no threat.

[pack3tg0st]

Its the same thing as the 60's...

Substitute Islam for "Communism" and viola.

Pakistan is the next battle ground...

dangerous thing though... being at war with a religion.

[Lexion]

He's a tool of the Guardian Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Guardians).

I know it's Wiki, but it's
fairly accurate.

Regards,
Lex

[Ima Nasshole]

Iranian sabre rattling = a toddler banging a spork on the table.

[boycotteverything]

He's a tool of the Guardian Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Guardians).

I know it's Wiki, but it's
fairly accurate.

Regards,
LexTrue enough. It's the constitutional method of governance in the Islamic Republic. A fitting compromise between east and west.

[skunk]

BUT the terrorists just happen to be of the Muslin faith

Army of God
FARC
Action Directe
The Real IRA
Combat 18
November 17
Red Brigade PCC
Japanese Red Army

Yep, whole lot of Muslim Terrorists right there...

Every religion has "terrorist" groups.

[Cogburn]

Ever religion is a terrorist group.

[boycotteverything]

nah

[skunk]

Yah.

[Alessandra]

nuh uh

[pack3tg0st]

http://www.plognark.com/Art/Sketches/Blogsketches/2008/thestupiditburns.jpg

[Snow Crash]

Its all like Elections Winners Losers,when i read some articles i get a strong feeling at times some folks seem to have a low opinion of the U.S.A soldiers, on AmKon and the U.S.A. NONE of us on AmKon are stupid we need soldiers,we give the politicians the power,and when a particular side of society gets angry enough we get Demonstrations,just like whats taking place in IRAN,and as it happens the people who are Demonstrating Deserve Medals in a country like IRAN,it might just lead to getting rid of Dinnerjad,and these young people of IRAN want Democracy and when they think they have been robbed by this Dictater Dinnerjad,its obvious change is coming,the only thing i am concerned about is how far will diinerjad go to keep office. I wish these young people all the LUCK in the world to win through.

You seriously need to do some homework man. Seriously.

[pack3tg0st]

edit: oops, wrong thread.

[guinnessford]

"its a lesson to us complacent americans, that if we truly believe in something... we have to fight for it"


I really like that, and thank you for the reminder in the O.P., Allesandra.

Every once in a while me thinks we all need that head shake, and realize we all have nerve endings and emotions.

But I especially like the anti-complacency message, though.
I may borrow it, but I promise a foot note

[Alessandra]

"its a lesson to us complacent americans, that if we truly believe in something... we have to fight for it"


I really like that, and thank you for the reminder in the O.P., Allesandra.

Every once in a while me thinks we all need that head shake, and realize we all have nerve endings and emotions.

But I especially like the anti-complacency message, though.
I may borrow it, but I promise a foot note


thanks guinness. At least someone here hasn't been infected by intolerance and hatred toward people in general. Its sad to see that. However, you're right. We all need to take a step back and try to NOT de-personalize shit like this. Yes, it may be in a different country, but they're our brothers and sisters. Why would we ignore our brothers and sisters?

my friend KT said that (the anti complacency message), so all credit should be to her. :)

[boycotteverything]

but they're our brothers and sisters. Why would we ignore our brothers and sisters? Actually it's good to see that that spirit has suffused this thread. Because that's the essential truth of it.

[Alessandra]

“Human beings are members of a whole,
In creation of one essence and soul.
If one member is afflicted with pain,
Other members uneasy will remain.
If you have no sympathy for human pain,
The name of human you cannot retain.”

- Saadi

This week Iranians turned out in record numbers not seen since the beginning of the Iranian revolution to change their current President Mahmood Ahmadinejad.

Their willingness to exercise their democratic right was both historic and uncommon in the Middle East. Iranians longed for change the same way people in the United States, and indeed worldwide, longed for a new beginning after the Bush years. They were tired of an increasingly delusional President who has thrown their country into economic turmoil and portrayed their country as a conflict seeking entity in the Middle East.

But today the same Iranian regime that has denied a dialogue with the world, denied human rights, denied democracy, denied the Holocaust, is blatantly denying the will of its people by committing massive election fraud to reelect Mahmood Ahmadinejad, and arresting journalists and opposition leaders in broad daylight.

Accepting this deception will be costly not only for the people of Iran but also for the people of the Middle East, with far reaching consequences worldwide.

As you read these words, the people in Iran have taken to the streets in nationwide protests. Despite brutal government suppression tactics the Iranian people are courageously fighting for their rights. As antiriot police batons crush the bones of demonstrators whose only protest is election fraud, Iranians are screaming for the world to hear them: WE DENOUNCE MAHMOOD AHMADINEJAD!

The people of Iran now ask for your support!

We do not expect you to fight our struggle but to help us fight it. We expect people worldwide to put pressure on their governments and politicians not to accept the legitimacy of the Iranian elections and the fraudulent presidency of Mahmood Ahmadinejad. Democratic societies worldwide must not leave the Iranian people alone now that they have risen to the challenge. Instead they need to align their policies with the will of the Iranian people.

Friends, we ask you not to let 70 million people in Iran be taken hostage. Any government that accepts Mahmood Ahmadinejad as the new president of Iran has betrayed the Iranian people, endangered world peace, and has no sympathy for human pain.

Iranian Artists in Exile

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=97649010806&ref=nf (not sure if you can click that w/o registering)

[boycotteverything]

Yes. All true. Support our Persian brothers and sisters!

[Alessandra]

Yes. All true. Support our Persian brothers and sisters!


amen. I do. :D

[mojo]

fuck em all...if they don't have dicks send em to the salt mines.

[Alessandra]

fuck em all...if they don't have dicks send em to the salt mines.

Oh shush. Go beat your dick like it owes you money.

[boycotteverything]

fuck em all...if they don't have dicks send em to the salt mines.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/hanging_iran_1.jpg

[Alessandra]

is that for Imadinnerjacket?

[boycotteverything]

it's ahmadinejad's methods.

[Alessandra]

well the protesters are shouting out "Death to Dictator"

[pack3tg0st]

I think you misunderstood...

They are saying "Death to Dick Tator"...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/365766582_dca92807b5.jpg?v=0

[Alessandra]

lol

[WarlordZeroOne]

the crowd shouting Death to the Dictator,some one told me Iran was not a Dictatorship for get who that was, must be my old age and 10 inches. :)

[boycotteverything]

Technically it is not a dictatorship. It's an Islamic Republic. The rigging of the election moves them closer to that point.

[pack3tg0st]

Warlord:

People shout Dictator all the time... all it takes is some discontentment toward their current leader...

Remember bush?

http://watchmojo.com/blogs/images/bush_dictator.jpg

People called him a tyrant and dictator...

Yet, we are still a Republic.

[boycotteverything]

People called him a tyrant and dictator... Not me. I just called him a fucking Nazi son of a whore piece of dogshit. hahahaha

[Cogburn]

Buried 5 pages deep in a thread on another forum.

You, sir, are an internet badass.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Steady on Pack, only teasing,remember freedom of speech.LOL

[skunk]

Buried 5 pages deep in a thread on another forum.

You, sir, are an internet badass.

Que?