Holy fuck, a Phoenix

[Alessandra]

I dont give a fuck if you think this is man made or not, I just wanted to show this. Its absolutely amazing, Whoever (or whatever) did it...is fucking amazing!

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/yatesbury2/yatesbury2009b.html

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/yatesbury2/Yatesbury2LS_01.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/yatesbury2/P1030416b.jpg

[WarlordZeroOne]

We had a Jellyfish last week in the UK and you are right AmAAAZING. Alessandra.

[Alessandra]

Jellyfish, Dragonfly, Fish, now a Phoenix? Whats up? The first three were actual creatures, the Phoenix is a mythological bird, focusing on death and resurrection...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/gir_the_hobbit/Phoenixcopy.jpg

[Cheezit]

Not bad, but what is that little patch of design beside it?
More flames would have been nice.

[Alessandra]

you know, I have no idea. I also wonder what the small circles around the large circle mean too.

[Ducky]

WOW :shock:

Simply amazing!

Though I wonder what's up with this recent slew of animal pics lately?

First thing that comes to mind is what I mentioned before concerning our orbitting satelites. If a lot of them are programmed to view objects (even as close as car licence plate) shouldn't be too hard to find out who is making these designs rights?

Just 'rewind' to a time index, zoom in to area in question and fast forward to when the crop circle started? You get my drift. Anyways...just a thought.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Its also a great shame the tractor wheels spoil the artwork.

[mojo]

the small disturbed area next to it was probably the staging area for their tools/equipment and planning etc.

it's nose is out of proportion, unless it has a tumour.

[Alessandra]

Beak, Mojo. Beak. :P

[Cheezit]

Alessandra

My guess is that the circles are their/its signature; maybe something more.?.

[mojo]

Beak, Mojo. Beak. :P

exactly...it looks like a nose, it should look like a beak. :P

[Alessandra]

it's nose is out of proportion, unless it has a tumour.

I can't say its too out of proportion, it looks almost like a native american type of design.

[Alessandra]

Alessandra

My guess is that the circles are their/its signature; maybe something more.?.


One thing I'm not seeing here, that was on the other circles, is the 7 circles.

[hp]

The satellite folks will keep quiet as they want people to stay distracted believing aliens are arriving nearly every night to communicate trough drawings even though mankind now has many languages and writing. Guess some ETs didn't get the memo that came out a 1000 years ago.

I suppose it could be galactic graffiti or tagging. A construction zone being marked, the earth will be bulldozed.

[Ducky]

I wonder if there's a pattern to this at all.

I mean there's only 2 logical ways that these crop circles can be created:

1. Manmade
2. Other

Anyhoo...back to the 'alternating' pattern I was just thinking.

Jellyfish - WATER
Dragonfly - AIR
Fish - WATER
Pheonix - AIR

If and when the next design comes up, will it pertain to WATER?

Also has anybody checked on the duration of time between these crop circles. For example, if it took approximately 'such and such time' between each crop circle, then when would we likely expect another one to appear?

[Alessandra]

so if you were an alien, how would you communicate with us? (Don't answer with "I wouldn't", this is theoretical)

and Ducky: I'm not sure if Phoenix is aligned with Air, because the Phoenix is consumed by fire, to renew itself.

[hp]

If the jelly fish were something else pertaining to earth then

maybe

earth
air
water
fire

[Ducky]

Or the stages of earth's history

Cretaceous - jellyfish
Jurasic - dragonfly
etc
etc.

OR...going by what HP said, the earth, air, water, and fire represent the Mayan stages.

We are now in the period of FIRE. Where something is/will be destroyed and rebuilt out of the ashes.

[hp]

I suspect the aliens would be advanced enough to figure out a level higher than pictures.

If not and this is the work of aliens I suspect we are in trouble someday. Trouble with communication has led to a disaster or two in this world.

[hp]

I means some one is coming to scrap the planet. New parking lot for galaxy sector D23R14.

[Alessandra]

I suspect the aliens would be advanced enough to figure out a level higher than pictures.

If not and this is the work of aliens I suspect we are in trouble someday. Trouble with communication has led to a disaster or two in this world.

lol, but maybe we're not advanced enough. :lol:

[Cheezit]

There appear to be 12 feathers to each wing and either 8 feathers (if you count them as pairs) or 16 (if you do not) to make up the tail.

So..

12+12+16 = 40
or
12+12+8= 32

32, that could mean something...maybe..if numbers meaning anything in this picture.

[Alessandra]

32, reverse is the number 23. XD

Also, 32 in i-ching...
Hexagram Number 32
Keyword(s): Continuity
Symbolic of: constancy

The General Meaning

H?ng indicates successful progress and no error (in what it denotes). But the advantage will come from being firm and correct; and movement in any direction whatever will be advantageous.


Explanation of the separate lines

1. The first SIX, divided, shows its subject deeply (desirous) of long continuance. Even with firm correctness there will be evil; there will be no advantage in any way.

2. The second NINE, undivided, shows all occasion for repentance disappearing.

3. The third NINE, undivided, shows one who does not continuously maintain his virtue. There are those who will impute this to him as a disgrace. However firm he may be, there will be ground for regret.

4. The fourth NINE, undivided, shows a field where there is no game.

5. The fifth SIX, divided, shows its subject continuously maintaining the virtue indicated by it. In a wife this will be fortunate; in a husband, evil.

6. The topmost SIX, divided, shows its subject exciting himself to long continuance. There will be evil.

Can see the images here: http://www.paranormality.com/iching_32.shtml

[Alessandra]

Also, there are... I think it was, 12 circles in total.

[Cheezit]

Also, there are... I think it was, 12 circles in total.
I counted 15.

[Ducky]

It's one of two things like I said: Manmade or Other.

If it's manmade, what are the possible reasons for people to create it?

1. Joke
2. Advertisement (like a billboard)
3. Message
4. Just for the hell of it
5. Artist recognition

We might be reading more into this than it's worth, or there is something of importance being conveyed.

Crop circles (like the nasca plains) are meant to be properly viewed from above. I wonder when the earliest recorded sighting of a crop circle began, and did this coincide with the beginning of man's aviation history? The nasca plains are supposedly thousands of years old. We don't know who exactly created the lines but they are meaningless, until someone views them from the air.

Same can be said for these circles. Now, they're not just elaborately designed mathematical configurations (to which people were having a hard time trying to decifer), but more recognizable objects that pretty much anyone on earth has seen at one time or another.

Except for the Phoenix. They're mythical creatures. We haven't seen them...yet? Could the phoenix represent our future; something we haven't seen yet? If that's the case, then what is it representing?

The phoenix is engulfed in fire. Fire...being the keyword here.

Is this a warning?

[Alessandra]

Also, there are... I think it was, 12 circles in total.
I counted 15.
Yeah I counted that, sorry, I just forgot the number. Its been a bad morning. XD

[Alessandra]

I would look into the mythological meanings of the phoenix.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)


A phoenix is a mythical bird with a colourful plumage and a tail of gold and scarlet (or purple and blue, according to some sources [1]). It has a 500 to 1,000 year life-cycle, near the end of which it builds itself a nest of myrrh twigs that then ignites; both nest and bird burn fiercely and are reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix or phoenix egg arises, reborn anew to live again. The new phoenix is destined to live as long as its old self. In some stories, the new phoenix embalms the ashes of its old self in an egg made of myrrh and deposits it in the Egyptian city of Heliopolis (sun city in Greek). The bird was also said to regenerate when hurt or wounded by a foe, thus being immortal and invincible — it is also said that it can heal a person with a tear from its eyes and make them temporarily immune to death. The phoenix is a symbol of fire and divinity.[2]

[boycotteverything]

this oldy but goody is better

http://www.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nasca-lines-3.jpg
Nasca, Peru

[Alessandra]

ah, the hummingbird in Nazca! :D

[rasobasi420]

All you alien people are fucking idiots. It's a piece of man-made art. Claiming 'aliens' did it is not only retarded, it insults the artist (anonymous or not). We know people can do this, so why assume aliens did it?

My dog escaped from his crate last night. I know he can do it, but does that mean that I assume aliens came down from space and unlatched his fuckin' cage? No, it means the fucking dog did it!

Ducky, your stupid-ass logic of:
Who did this?
1: Humans
2: Other
Is pretty dumb.

How about:
1: Humans 99.999999999%
2: Other 0.000000001%
And yes, we can discount that very small percent. Although it's not zero, so are the chances that you're physically standing next to me right now (but we discount that don't we?)

BRAINS PEOPLE! USE THEM OR LOSE THEM!

[Ducky]

Here comes our resident buzz kill :P

Right on cue.

[boycotteverything]

the circle makers haven't improved much in 1500 years

[Ducky]

I've noticed in many phoenix pics, that it's usually depicted with eyes.

The one in the OP doesn't have any.

[Alessandra]

I dont beleive ANY of us said it was fucking aliens, you cock smoking bastard. Go cry in your corner, and leave the thread alone. We're just speculating 'why'.

[boycotteverything]

I dont beleive ANY of us said it was fucking aliens, you cock smoking bastard. Go cry in your corner, and leave the thread alone. We're just speculating 'why'.it sucks and it has a big nose and no eyes.

[Alessandra]

I still think it looks rather neat.

[boycotteverything]

My dog escaped from his crate last night. I know he can do it, but does that mean that I assume aliens came down from space and unlatched his fuckin' cage? No, it means the fucking dog did it!well i wouldn't be so sure about that. and besides i thought you had a dag.

[rasobasi420]

I dont beleive ANY of us said it was fucking aliens, you cock smoking bastard. Go cry in your corner, and leave the thread alone. We're just speculating 'why'.

The duck-fuck said

I mean there's only 2 logical ways that these crop circles can be created:

1. Manmade
2. Other

If she meant, snow leopards, chinchillas or bottle nosed dolphins, then excuse me. otherwise, fuck off.

Speculating 'why'?

Let me bring back my old buddy Oscar Wilde:
All art is quite useless.
Meaning, don't fucking bother asking why.

[boycotteverything]

BE NEWS SPECIAL

This just in...

Alien responsible for the bignose Phoenix captured by English farmer!

http://images.elfwood.com/art/p/r/pringles/alien.jpg

...developing

[rasobasi420]

Sorry people. I sometimes forget that people come here to stop thinking rationally and blow useless shit out of their ass. This is a sort of 'fantasy land' for adults who can't cope with reality, or are bored with their own lives. Unfortunately, this happens to Canadians sometimes. Aside from moose-tracking, there's not much going on in the great white north.

[Ducky]

Sorry people. I sometimes forget that people come here to stop thinking rationally and blow useless shit out of their ass. This is a sort of 'fantasy land' for adults who can't cope with reality, or are bored with their own lives. Unfortunately, this happens to Canadians sometimes. Aside from moose-tracking, there's not much going on in the great white north.

So you and I get under each others skin. So fuckin what man. Gotta beef with me...Take it to PM

We were having a good time with this thread until you showed up acting all whiney and stuffs.

I know you're not always a dickwad. You've shown pretty much everyone here that you have an intelligent voice. WTF happened lately? Fuckin hell, you've gone downhill lately. This isn't like you.

Now stop behaving like a brat and contribute some goodies. :D

[mojo]

I sometimes forget that people come here to stop thinking rationally and blow useless shit out of their ass.

some do...however some come here for the decor, and others come here just to be meanies, i even know of one member who comes here because he likes deaman.
i think there's one or two who only show up to dump shit on people, there's a few who like to discuss "weird and strange" shit.....fucking nutcases...i mean really, fancy thinking up some of this shit, life was sooo much better when we believed the earth was flat.

[rasobasi420]

I like to come here to read about strange shit. I also will notice when 'weird shit' is a crock of shit, and let it be known what I think. I'll usually only chime in when shit is over the top stupid.

And duck-chucker, you don't get under my skin. I actually enjoy pointing out your silliness.

[Alessandra]

I like to come here to read about strange shit. I also will notice when 'weird shit' is a crock of shit, and let it be known what I think. I'll usually only chime in when shit is over the top stupid.

And duck-chucker, you don't get under my skin. I actually enjoy pointing out your silliness.


And then you call the people who are interested in the subject, regardless if its a crock or not, names! fuckin' brilliant.

[rasobasi420]

If it walks like an idiot, and quacks like an idiot.....

[Ducky]

Hey Rasputin?

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/CanuckyDucky/finger.jpg

When you put yer arse on the middle tip, please make sure to include a bit of "OHHHHHNNNN!!!!" Make it sound like you have a nasally french accent, and you're liking it a bit?

Anyways...moving on.

[Alessandra]

Oi Oi! :lol:

also, [google:2yvnp9ii]3615029897397109374[/google:2yvnp9ii]

Not saying this is the case, thought it'd be interesting to see tho

[rasobasi420]

Moving on!
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle

Considering this is the first thing that pops up in google, I'm hoping you don't take these things seriously.

[Ducky]

I remember seeing that particular vid wayyyyyyyyyy back.

[Alessandra]

ya me too, duck, never ceases to amaze.

[Ducky]

ya me too, duck, never ceases to amaze.

Let's get back to our original discussion. Seemed everyone was doing pretty good until some peoples showed up

[rasobasi420]

Yeah, it was all fun until logic showed up. Too bad!

[Alessandra]

yeah. These could be naturally occuring, which is amazing in and of itself. I wonder what will be next (If any)

[rasobasi420]

yeah. These could be naturally occuring, which is amazing in and of itself. I wonder what will be next (If any)

How could they be naturally occurring?

[Ducky]

IF there's a pattern to this.

Then again, hard to say.

And IF, tecnology is getting more and more diverse, we could expect more intricate patterns in the future. There's only so much anyone can do with wheat/barley/whatever crops.

I'm thinking IF it's man's hand in the mix, I'd like to see what kind of STENCIL drawing that we have on our puters in order to perform this stuff. As well as the time factor involved, in physically creating it?

The vid with the two lights hovering above the crop field. Has this been debunked yet?

[rasobasi420]

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle

[Alessandra]

I'm not sure it has yet, ducky.

[Ducky]

I'm not sure it has yet, ducky.

I'm checkin on it as we speek.

[rasobasi420]

yes it has. Stop motion + simple video editing = something that stupefies idiots.

[rasobasi420]

I also love how the devoutly stupid ignore the voice of (abusive) reason.

[Cheezit]

CC 2009- works of art
k]Nfcw7ohkuOUk]
lights/ufo/?
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[Alessandra]

thats where i was going with the natural phenomena. It could have been some kind of energy ball, or some other kind of phenomena we have yet to catalogue. Thanks for the videos!

[Ducky]

I also love how the devoutly stupid ignore the voice of (abusive) reason.

Where's my fuckin fly swatter?

[rasobasi420]

thats where i was going with the natural phenomena. It could have been some kind of energy ball, or some other kind of phenomena we have yet to catalogue. Thanks for the videos!

What type of 'energy' are you talking about? Fairies maybe? There is no evidence of any of this. Of course your fanciful shit is fun for the time being.

[Ducky]

thats where i was going with the natural phenomena. It could have been some kind of energy ball, or some other kind of phenomena we have yet to catalogue. Thanks for the videos!

What type of 'energy' are you talking about? Fairies maybe? There is no evidence of any of this. Of course your fanciful shit is fun for the time being.

And you keep replying to this thread over and over and over and over. Ad nauseum.

[rasobasi420]

Yep. Bored at work and you guys are spouting the most useless crap. Most often, if someone makes a point, there is supporting evidence. I see none here. I'll keep posting until I see some.

[Ducky]

Yep. Bored at work and you guys are spouting the most useless crap. Most often, if someone makes a point, there is supporting evidence. I see none here. I'll keep posting until I see some.

Stop being such a shit head when you post your replies.

If you keep this up, people are going to look at you in a negative light.

[rasobasi420]

I don't give a fuck in what light people look at me. They can look at me in the light of a lit fart for all I care. I'm just begging people to THINK BEFORE THEY POST! Say to yourself "Is this retarded?" "Do I have any evidence?" "What's that shiny thing?"

[Ducky]

I don't give a fuck in what light people look at me. They can look at me in the light of a lit fart for all I care. I'm just begging people to THINK BEFORE THEY POST! Say to yourself "Is this retarded?" "Do I have any evidence?" "What's that shiny thing?"

Then be a good little boy and post some intelligent stuff to the contrary, instead of ripping apart certain members posts because you can't stand their face.

That would make more sense.

[rasobasi420]

I don't think I've ever seen your face.

BTW, did you notice the multiple posts on 'how to make a fucking crop circle'? Before retards decide to go and assume that they're fairies or aliens, why not see how people make them and get a fuckin' clue.

[Ducky]

I don't think I've ever seen your face.

BTW, did you notice the multiple posts on 'how to make a fucking crop circle'? Before retards decide to go and assume that they're fairies or aliens, why not see how people make them and get a fuckin' clue.

Then what was stopping you from making a 'counter thread' about this?

For the record, I didn't think it was 'faries or aliens' that made this.

[rasobasi420]

Ok, then what was the 'other' that you described? Was it something in any way plausible or that had any supporting evidence?

[Ducky]

If the two logical explanations of making crop circles are:

1. Human
2. Other

This stands to reason that it MUST be one of the two.

If someone takes # 2 and says otherwise, then this same person must back it up. Period.

Obviously, there isn't a valid source for this one yet.

So we must look at # 1.

HENCE all the questions and statements i voiced around this.

[rasobasi420]

1. midget giving handjobs
2. other

1. BBW with facial hair
2. other

useless statements.

[Ducky]

1. midget giving handjobs
2. other

1. BBW with facial hair
2. other

useless statements.

What particular evidence do you have to go on?

You're making blanket and idiotic statements at this point.

FIND something about this particular topic/thread and SHOW me and others WHY it's stupid to YOU.

[Ducky]

We need to find the truth together....well then LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER!

[Ducky]

If you wanna be a prick and DON'T extend your hand.....so be it.

[Ducky]

Then FUCK YOU man

[Lexion]

Oi Oi! :lol:

also, [google:287y8bbt]3615029897397109374[/google:287y8bbt]

Not saying this is the case, thought it'd be interesting to see tho

Ummm....if I may wade into this
fray.....

This vid has been debunked.

The guy who made it bragged
about it in a pub.

Stop-motion, and photo-shop.

Anyway, I look at the circles as
art. Nothing more, nothing less.

Regards,
Lex

[Ducky]

Oi Oi! :lol:

also, [google:3qoy7bk7]3615029897397109374[/google:3qoy7bk7]

Not saying this is the case, thought it'd be interesting to see tho

Ummm....if I may wade into this
fray.....

This vid has been debunked.

The guy who made it bragged
about it in a pub.

Stop-motion, and photo-shop.

Anyway, I look at the circles as
art. Nothing more, nothing less.

Regards,
Lex

Thank you for being kind enough to tell us.

NOW...where is the EXACT page/forum/thread/forum/something where it stipulates that this is debunked?

[Ducky]

Is this for ALL crop circles or just for the above vid?

Be exact.

[Lexion]

Oh fuck....let me go dig.

Ducks, trust me.

But, I'll try to find it.

I'm still banned from ATS,
but I'll look where I can.

Hunting,
Lex

PS : For the above vid.

[Ducky]

Oh fuck....let me go dig.

Ducks, trust me.

But, I'll try to find it.

I'm still banned from ATS,
but I'll look where I can.

Hunting,
Lex

PS : For the above vid.

Get yer arse into skypes

[Lexion]

v]jMeRd5EdBwEv]

[rasobasi420]

FIND something about this particular topic/thread and SHOW me and others WHY it's stupid to YOU.

Not gonna track it down, but several people mentioned aliens (communicating) energy balls (fairies) warnings of impending doom and such (including you). Blah blah blah.

And despite the many instances where crop circles have been debunked and thrown to pieces, the gullible believe, as if it were a matter of faith and religion. I have no patience for such. It causes people to ignore the truth for their own ego.

Again, you included, duck.

[Ducky]

FIND something about this particular topic/thread and SHOW me and others WHY it's stupid to YOU.

Not gonna track it down, but several people mentioned aliens (communicating) energy balls (fairies) warnings of impending doom and such (including you). Blah blah blah.

And despite the many instances where crop circles have been debunked and thrown to pieces, the gullible believe, as if it were a matter of faith and religion. I have no patience for such. It causes people to ignore the truth for their own ego.

Again, you included, duck.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/CanuckyDucky/finger.jpg

[theeindiee]

Notice at the bottom, it almost looks like it fades out into fractal patterns? They all look fractally. Ever since the actual fractal patterns started appearing....

It looks as though this is made by some sort of electromagnetic fractal energy source based on Chaos Geometry/Mathematics, and they are certainly refining the artform all the time.

So if they have harnessed that sort of an energy source.... how long until they've refined this source into making actual matter out of it, as opposed to simply bending and shaping matter? in this case, cornstalks.

I'd say man-made... but with extremely high alternative tech.

[mojo]

I like to come here to read about strange shit. I also will notice when 'weird shit' is a crock of shit, and let it be known what I think. I'll usually only chime in when shit is over the top stupid.

And duck-chucker, you don't get under my skin. I actually enjoy pointing out your silliness.

i know mate, just pointing out that your original comment was a massive generalization, which isn't something you usually do.

my problem with crop circles being some kind of communicatioon from aliens is this: If these aliens have the technology to travel between the stars, i think it would be safe to assume that they would also have the intelligence to be able to communicate with us with slightly more advanced means than childish pictures made in fields of wheat.

occams razor people.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

What if they just came from next door and they're fucking with us?

A cosmic game of ding dong ditch?

[Alessandra]

yeah but we cant play back *pout*

[boycotteverything]

i throw down with rasta man. none of you has shown an iota of critical thinking. i know chii has a brain- not sure about the rest of you. plus the stoopid bird does have a big nose.

[Alessandra]

So apparently, we're not allowed to talk about crop circles at AMKON. Gotcha.
I'll make a note to never make another thread on this forum ever again.

[boycotteverything]

oh for chrissakes. we love your threads. just admit the damned bird has a big nose and get over it.

[Alessandra]

No, its not that. Every thread I make usually has to have someone coming in it and being the buzzkill. Hence, maybe If I stop making threads, that will stop (for the most part)

[boycotteverything]

No, its not that. Every thread I make usually has to have someone coming in it and being the buzzkill. Hence, maybe If I stop making threads, that will stop (for the most part)Nah. You've killed a few buzzes yourself. Hell- this is Amkon, the breaker of idols. Now carry on and smoke em if ya got em- and just fucking admit that your stoopid bird has a biggg nose.

[Alessandra]

damn it, its a beak :lol:

[lala]

I don't give a fuck in what light people look at me. They can look at me in the light of a lit fart for all I care. I'm just begging people to THINK BEFORE THEY POST! Say to yourself "Is this retarded?" "Do I have any evidence?" "What's that shiny thing?"


Come on Ras what's her name and why won't she sleep with you . . . :serenade:

[Cogburn]

So apparently, we're not allowed to talk about crop circles at AMKON. Gotcha.
I'll make a note to never make another thread on this forum ever again.
There is not and nor has there ever been one iota of evidence in any crop circle indicating extra-terrestrial origin.

Not one.

The entire argument for crop circles is that no one has ever seen anyone make them and most people are too stupid to figure out how to do it themselves.

I've never seen a ball-point pen being made by anyone but I have no illusions that the Bic on my desk was created by an E.T.

I'm just curious how many planting seasons we'll have to suffer through crop circle hysteria before everyone grows up and moves on.

40 years later Billy Meier is still gaining fans so perhaps I've got a bit of a wait ahead of me.

[WarlordZeroOne]

You can't complain Alessandra look how much verbal you have created on AmKon, OBAMA doe's not get that much. Thank Fuck.

[Cogburn]

... and she's been around a while and we've gone through this crop circle crap at least twice since I joined back in February.

They are cool, no doubt, but to say that it's anything other than terrestrial isn't even pseudo-science... It's just nonsense.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Why would anyone think these crop circles are Alien? don't want to bust anyone's bubble, these crop circles are all things on earth,and besides ALIENS have better fucking things to do.

[lala]

Well seem's to me the old plank and rope just haven't cut it . . . . and also now they got this google earth, wouldn't someone see, find it happening !!!! . . . .came across this . . . from 02 . . . . :D



http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc219.htm
SINCE THE RECENT release of the movie Signs, crop circles have been thrust into the limelight. Such major publications as Scientific American and U.S. News and World Report have echoed the common belief that all crop circles are made by stealthy humans flattening plants with boards. This assumption would be fair enough if we had no information suggesting otherwise.

However, intriguing data published in peer-reviewed scientific journals clearly establishes that some of these geometric designs, found in dozens of countries, are not made by "pranks with planks." In fact, a study about to be published by a team of scientists and funded by Laurance Rockefeller concludes "it is possible that we are observing the effects of a new or as yet undiscovered energy source."

In the early 1990s, biophysicist William C. Levengood, of the Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory, in Michigan, examined plants and soils from 250 crop formations, randomly selected from seven countries. Samples and controls were provided by the Massachusetts-based BLT Research Team, directed by Nancy Talbott.

Levengood, who has published over 50 papers in scientific journals, documented numerous changes in the plants from the formations. Most dramatic were grossly elongated plant nodes (the "knuckles" along the stem) and "expulsion cavities" -- holes literally blown open at the nodes -- caused by the heating of internal moisture from exposure to intense bursts of radiation. The steam inside the stems escaped by either stretching the nodes or, in less elastic tissue, exploding out like a potato bursting open in a microwave oven.

Seeds taken from the plants and germinated in the lab showed significant alterations in growth, as compared with controls. Effects varied from an inability to develop seeds to a massive increase in growth rate -- depending on the species, the age of the plants when the circle was created and the intensity of the energy system involved.

These anomalies were also found in tufts of standing plants inside crop circles -- clearly not a result of mechanical flattening -- and in patches of randomly downed crops found near the geometric designs. These facts suggested some kind of natural, but unknown, force at work.

Published in Physiologia Plantarum (1994), the international journal of the European Societies of Plant Physiology, Levengood's data showed that "plants from crop circles display anatomical alterations which cannot be explained by assuming the formations are hoaxes." He defined a "genuine" formation as one "produced by external energy forces independent of human influence."

A strange brown "glaze" covering plants within a British formation was the subject of Levengood and John A. Burke's 1995 paper in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. The material was a pure iron that had been embedded in the plants while the iron was still molten. Tiny iron spheres were also found in the soil.

In 1999, British investigator Ronald Ashby examined the glaze through optical and scanning electron microscopes. He determined that intense heat had been involved -- iron melts at about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit -- administered in millisecond bursts. "After exhaustive inquiry, there is no mundane explanation for the glaze" he concluded.

In another paper for Physiologia Plantarum (1999), Levengood and Talbott suggested that the energy causing crop circles could be an atmospheric plasma vortex -- multiple interacting electrified air masses that emit microwaves as they spiral around the earth's magnetic-field lines.

Some formations, however, contain cubes and straight lines. Astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics, says that such "highly organized, intelligent patterns are not something that could be created by a force of nature."

But Haisch points out that since not all formations are tested, it is unknown how many are genuine. Nor is it likely that such complex designs could evolve so quickly in nature. "Natural phenomena make mountain ranges and form continents -- they don't learn geometry in ten years," says Haisch, who is the science editor for the Astrophysical Journal.

In 1999, philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller made possible the most definitive -- and most revealing -- study to date. The BLT Research Team collected hundreds of plant and soil samples from a seven-circle barley formation in Edmonton, Canada. The plants had both elongated nodes and expulsion cavities, and the soils contained the peculiar iron spheres, indicating a genuine formation. The controls showed none of these changes.

Mineralogist Sampath Iyengar, of the Technology of Materials Laboratory, in California, examined specific heat-sensitive clay minerals in these soils, using X-ray diffraction and a scanning electron microscope. He discovered an increase in the degree of crystallinity (the ordering of atoms) in the circle minerals, which statistician Ravi Raghavan determined was statistically significant at the 95 percent level of confidence.

"I was shocked," says Iyengar, a 30-year specialist in clay mineralogy. "These changes are normally found in sediments buried for thousands and thousands of years under rocks, affected by heat and pressure, and not in surface soils."

Also astounding was the direct correlation between the node-length increases in the plants and the increased crystallization in the soil minerals -- indicating a common energy source for both effects. Yet the scientists could not explain how this would be possible. The temperature required to alter soil crystallinity would be between 1,500 and 1,800 degrees F. This would destroy the plants.

Understanding the possible ramifications of these findings, Talbott sought the expertise of an emeritus professor of geology and mineralogy at Dartmouth College, Robert C. Reynolds Jr., who is former president of the Clay Minerals Society. He is regarded by his colleagues as the "best-known expert in the world" on X-ray diffraction analysis of clay minerals.

Reynolds determined that the BLT Team's data had been "obtained by competent personnel, using current equipment."

The intense heat required for the observed changes in crystallinity "would have incinerated any plant material present," he confirms in a statement for the Rockefeller report. "In short, I believe that our present knowledge provides no explanation."

Meteorologist James W. Deardorff, professor emeritus at the College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences at Oregon State University, and previously a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, states in a 2001 Physiologia Plantarum commentary that the variety, complexity and artistry of crop circles "represent the work of intelligence," and not a plasma vortex. "That is why the hoax hypothesis has been popularly advocated," he says.

However, he points out, the anomalous properties in plant stems thoroughly documented by Levengood and Talbott could not possibly have been implemented by hoaxers. Deardorff describes one 1986 British formation in which upper and lower layers of crop were intricately swirled and bent perpendicular to each other, in a fashion that "defies any explanation."

"People don't want to face up to this, and scientists have to deal with the ridicule factor," he said in a recent interview.

Adding to the puzzle, professional filmmakers have documented bizarre daytime "balls of light" at crop-circle sites. Light phenomena were observed by multiple witnesses at the site of the Canadian circle so meticulously examined under the Rockefeller grant.

Eltjo Hasselhoff, a Dutch experimental physicist, has taken on the study of what he describes as "bright, fluorescent flying light objects,sized somewhere between an egg and a football."

Scientists face real and serious questions in confronting this mystery. Could this be secret laser technology beamed down from satellites? Is it a natural phenomenon? Is there a consciousness or intelligence directing an energy form yet unknown to us?

"To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing," says astrophysicist Haisch. "To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it . . . is another. That is not science." It's not good journalism, either.

Leslie Kean is an investigative reporter and producer with Pacifica Radio based in the San Francisco Bay Area. She can be reached at lkean@ix.netcom.net.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Sorry Lala i think this google earth is not live,also google earth can't be everywhere its a selective thing by the owners of google i presume.like my home is easy seable on google earth and my garden,but the sat image is about 4 years old,i know that because of changes i have made over the 4 years.

[lala]

Sorry Lala i think this google earth is not live,also google earth can't be everywhere its a selective thing by the owners of google i presume.like my home is easy seable on google earth and my garden,but the sat image is about 4 years old,i know that because of changes i have made over the 4 years.


But apart form that the fact that they have found thing in the crop circles that they cannot explain and cannot be man made. . . so its still unknown how or what created them . . . . :D

[WarlordZeroOne]

This crop circle thing has been turned into the same kind of story as the LOCH NESS MONSTER ,for people who know what that is,noboddy has ever really got evidence of it but keep having sitings,these crop cicles appear and the people who are doing it are quite clever,and untill caught will keep everyone guessing,now if a 2000 ton Meteorite was heading for Earth then i would really be having a shit,but crop circles just a reincarnated Salvador Dhali with some help from his dead mates Van Gough, Picasso,etc.

[Cogburn]

Sorry Lala i think this google earth is not live,also google earth can't be everywhere its a selective thing by the owners of google i presume.like my home is easy seable on google earth and my garden,but the sat image is about 4 years old,i know that because of changes i have made over the 4 years.


But apart form that the fact that they have found thing in the crop circles that they cannot explain and cannot be man made. . . so its still unknown how or what created them . . . . :D
Lala... you know what causes bursts of moisture from within vegetable matter?

A microwave oven.

It's not a wooden plank, it's a high-tech "plank".

Never underestimate the ingenuity of a bored geek with a soldering iron.

[lala]

I know it sounds abit wacko . . . but bear with me . . . The Tunguska event about 100 yrs ago . . . Another thing they do not know why how happened . . . .I've just grab abit but if you no nothing about the Tunguska event might be best you read the whole thing. . . . I'd say alot are man made but there is conclusive evidence that some are not man made . . .


So, having now established a connection between ALPs (Anomalous Luminous Phenomena) and the Tunguska event, do we see any similarities between what we know about the Tunguska event and crop circles? Crop circles normally appear in cereal crops, but it is well-known that the same force has created formations in a wide variety of vegetation and physical landscapes. For instance formations have appeared in prairie grass and rice paddies. In Wisconsin and in Ontario, Canada, formations have appeared in trees. Non-plant substances can also be molded by this force, for example, ice and snow, desert sand, and dry lake bed earth. The dozen or more neatly rounded depressions in the ground at the Tunguska site would seem to qualify this event as worthy of consideration by cereologists.

In genuine crop circles the stems of the plant are bent in a characteristic way that still has not been satisfactorily explained by mainstream scientists. There is no known way to emulate this bending process, and yet it occurs in plants with brittle stems that will normally snap, and in crop where the stalks are steadfastly resistant to bending. Freddy Silva tells us “the bend often creates another anomaly. Slide your hand under a section of flattened stems and you will find them stiff and resistant to being raised, as if they’ve been softened like molten glass in a furnace, allowing them to be gently worked and rehardened into this new and very permanent position. But despite this seemingly traumatic experience, the plants remain alive and well." (15)
http://www.spiritualgenome.com/tunguska_crop_circle.htm

[WarlordZeroOne]

Lala for me saying these or some of these crop circles are created by Aliens, is like saying the Bermuda Triangle doe's not exist. and i TRUELY believe that Aliens do exist and they will not waste their time in making patterns in a field.

[boycotteverything]

Said Lala (above)
Well seems to me the old plank and rope just haven't cut it . . . . and also now they got this google earth, wouldn't someone see, find it happening !!!! . . . .came across this . . . from 02 . . . .I have the highest respect for Leslie Kean- and the article you've posted by her is characteristically objective and convincing. While most crop circles seem to be obvious frauds others remain mysterious and worthy of study. The Rockefeller approach to the study is the best available. Some fine scientists have managed to hold judgment in abeyance and we need to take instruction from that. All is not as it appears to be. Consider everything/ believe nothing. I think it's also a bit disingenuous to ascribe possible motives in consideration of a possible ETH in regards to crop circles, i.e. "they will not waste their time in making patterns in a field." If high strangeness applies here then mundane dismissals do not.

Thanks for the post.

This recent discussion at HM might be germane to the argument- http://www.hoaxmasters.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=97


Re: New Wilstshire Cropcircle

Postby boycotteverything » Sat May 30, 2009 7:44 am

Wired has an interesting story on the crop circles.http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/crop-circle-pra/ But what I found most instructive were the comments- especially this one by someone called 'Shrewsbury.'

[quote:hx52peyq] Posted by: Shrewsbury | 06/22/08 | 12:35 pm

In these cases, Occam’s razor suggests not one but two opposing conclusions: 1) Since we know of no aliens visiting earth, the circles must be created by humans; and 2) since we know of no way that humans could achieve such precise and complex works, especially while remaining unobserved, the circles must have some non-human agency. It does seem clear that they have been caused by some sort of directed energy from above. Could humans achieve this? Possibly. In any case, arguing that aliens would have no motive to do so is no more dispositive than arguing that humans would have no motive to do so. Somebody is doing it. Since we have no evidence either way, we are compelled to keep open minds (whether our brains fall out or not). I’ll insist only that this work was not done by sniggering college students with plywood and string in a completely dark field. Come on.



This point of Shrewsbury's in particular goes the the heart of the matter given the nature of the most common arguments against ET involvement- i.e. the supposed 'motives' of the aliens.


arguing that aliens would have no motive to do so is no more dispositive than arguing that humans would have no motive to do so.

That is undeniably true. The proposition overcomes skeptical arguments concerning 'base 10' or the 'rounding of PI' or idle speculation on 'why would they do this or that...' Who knows why?

I also find the usual dismissal: 'drunken college students with planks and strings' argument to be neither instructive nor intellectually satisfying. Two questions bear considering- Why is there never any physical evidence of the means and methods of the construction of these circles discovered on site? And why has no-one ever witnessed the board and string gangs in the process of creating of any of them?

I'm siding with Shrewsbury-


Since we have no evidence either way, we are compelled to keep open minds (whether our brains fall out or not).[/quote:hx52peyq]

[Cogburn]

More lessons in how not to apply Occam properly.


2) since we know of no way that humans could achieve such precise and complex works, especially while remaining unobserved, the circles must have some non-human agency.

Why is everyone so convinced that the circle makers should have been observed? Even within our CCTV security culture major crimes still occur unwitnessed on a daily basis, yet the random pattern appearing in a field when no one is watching is alleged as impossible for humans. Every time Banksy creates another one of his artworks, on city streets, over night, completely unobserved, the "unobserved creation" argument for crop circles looks sillier and sillier.

Why is everyone so convinced humans are not capable of making such patterns? We, as humans, have created works of art, music and science that are beyond comparison with crop circles. To attribute crop circles to alien origin is to completely discount the past 2,000 years of human ingenuity. Just because you're not clever or imaginative enough to figure out how it was done does not mean in any way, shape or form that the logical leap that such features are of extra-terrestrial origin may be made.

Other than the fact that Linda Moulton Howe started humping crop circles on the Art Bell Show back in 1995, there is absolutely no evidence of crop circles being anything other than man made except for the wild fantasies and ill-applied logic of the fanbase.

There's a fine line between remaining open-minded and causing your own blindness.

http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/landscapes/cansbuffer.jpg

[boycotteverything]

Why is everyone so convinced humans are not capable of making such patterns? The ultimate disingenuous straw dog. No-one here is so convinced.

[Cogburn]

Ok.... I'll rephrase it so it's acceptable to you.

Why do people still continue to maintain that such things are beyond the ability of humans to create such patterns?

[Cheezit]

What, no love for the aliens? :lol:

If all of it is just human creation than why no info on the groups doing this. The "pros", the artists.
I've never seen a big investigation or showing of the people doing this.
Any sites? vid?
Why not get this alien nonsense out of the way?

Reminds me of cattle mutilations. Is it aliens or humans?
I would think that there would be some sort of group or groups associated; well associated, with these incidents?
If it's people who are they? Or is it to be Artist unknown.

[Cogburn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-527404/Banish-bags-Now-Debenhams-joins-fight-bag-blight--Banksy-gives-verdict.html

Ever hear of a crop circle selling for £200,000 (~$450,000 USD)?

... and yet the identity of Banksy continues to be mere rumor.

Imagine the money the artist could make if they came forward.

Perhaps those who create crop circles do not seek fame or money and simply consider it their art.

Why is it that the level of complexity of crop circles continues to evolve year after year?

[boycotteverything]

Sorry, Bwana. We missed that point.

[Cheezit]

Imagine the money the artist could make if they came forward.
I imagine it would be a lot.


Perhaps those who create crop circles do not seek fame or money and simply consider it their art.
I'd say that some must feel that they have a higher purpose for creating these unique works of art.

[lala]

Well do the maths on someone designing and putting one down on the ground in the dark even with help . . . .a they are not going to have enought time . . . b, if they have a lot of helpers there would be evidence of them arriving and walking to it . . . c, the chemical difference and the stem damage . . .d, the soil samples with radiation . . . . then we move on to the crop circle that were made in Queensland in 66 . . . at the same time Albert Pennisi was having dreams, which are recorded by the Sun news paper . . . a researcher Bill Chalker has study this story and interviewed alot of people that were around at the time, ufo created the sighting . . . . Albert passed away at the begining of the year but put his photo on with his find . . .



A very compelling case of physical evidence is generally referred to as the Tulley saucer nest, which occurred in Queensland, Australia on January 19,1966. The case began on a warm sunny day as a twenty-eight-year-old banana farmer George Pedley was working on his tractor on the land of Albert Pennisi, near the town of Tully. As he neared a lagoon area about 9:00 AM, he heard a loud hissing sound.

Object Rise from Swamp:

Looking toward the direction of the sound, he suddenly saw an unknown object rising up from the swamp. Pedley stated:
"When I glanced at it, it was already 30 feet above the ground, and at about tree-top level. It was a large, grey, saucer-shaped object, convex on the top and bottom and measured some 25 feet across and 9 feet high. While I watched, it rose another 30 feet, spinning very fast, then it made a shallow dive and took off with tremendous speed. Climbing at an angle of 45 degrees it disappeared within seconds in a south-westerly direction."

Large Circular Area:

After the UFO was gone, Pedley proceeded around the road that lead the spot where the object had obviously sat. Very clearly seen in the lagoon was a large, round area that had mashed down vegetation. The water was circling around the area as if it had been recently disturbed. Pedley had passed this very area about three hours ago, and there had been no sign of the depressed area.
Mass of 30 Feet in Diameter:

Going on about his work, he decided about noon to go back and visit the lagoon again. Things were different this time, as there was now a floating mass of reeds, which were in a clockwise pattern. The reed configuration was about 30 feet in diameter. Pedley was excited to go and tell Mr. Pennisi about his sighting and the circular area. When Pennisi heard Pedley's story it reminded him that earlier that day, his dogs were acting oddly, and had tried to run to the lagoon.

Pedley and another worker headed back to the lagoon, and waded in. As they approached the ciruclar mass, they discovered that they could swim underneath the mass, and that the lagoon floor was smooth beneath it. Pennisi went and secured his camera and took photographs of the circular mass of reeds. By this time, the top of the mass was turning from green to brown.

Investigators Soon Swarm Area:

Later in the evening, Pedley made a report of his experience to the Tully police department. The next morning they arrived, did a search of the lagoon area, and confirmed Pedley's findings. Tully police reported their findings to the RAAF on January 20. In a matter of days the lagoon was swamped with reporters and other interested investigators. Many theories were offered in addition to the landing of a UFO. Some that were mentioned in the media were helicopters, crocodiles, whirlwinds, birds, and more.

Other Nests Discovered:

There was so much attention given to trying to understand what the circular mass was, that Pedley's UFO sighting was almost forgotten. Soon, the entire farm was searched, and suprisingly enough, five other similar "nests" were found, though none as large as Pedley's. Some of the reeds in the circles were clockwise, others counter-clockwise. Some had centers that had been burned.

RAAF Offers Theory:

There was an analysis done of the original nest, but nothing other-wordly was discovered. The RAAF, after their investigation did not have a definite answer as to what caused the strange, circular mass, but did offer a theory. Their best guess was a "wily-wily" or dust devil, which was common in the area. No reference was made to Pedley's sighting of the UFO.



[attachment=0:365sc8xd]Tully & Albert.JPG[/attachment:365sc8xd]

[Cheezit]

lala
You may want to check this site out.
Crop circles front page and lots of them.
http://www.earthfiles.com/

[Cogburn]

Well do the maths on someone designing and putting one down on the ground in the dark even with help . . . .a they are not going to have enought time . . . b, if they have a lot of helpers there would be evidence of them arriving and walking to it . . . c, the chemical difference and the stem damage . . .d, the soil samples with radiation . . . . then we move on to the crop circle that were made in Queensland in 66 . . . at the same time Albert Pennisi was having dreams, which are recorded by the Sun news paper . . . a researcher Bill Chalker has study this story and interviewed alot of people that were around at the time, ufo created the sighting . . . . Albert passed away at the begining of the year but put his photo on with his find . . .

A & B - You make assumptions on the methodology of how the circles were created that is not supported in evidence.

C & D - If physical evidence differs from incident to incident then the incidents have a greater likelihood of being unrelated as being related.

Crop circles are real. There are a rare number of crop circles with additional physical evidence, but lacking the overall complexity of the large majority of recorded appearances.

It is in the grouping of these events together through only the most superficial of connections that investigations into the truth of the phenomena becomes fruitless.

Is it not equally if not more likely that crop circles that do not have such attendant physical evidence were copy-cats?

That doesn't mean we have to take soil samples of each and every crop circle to be certain. For instance, the crop circle evidence in your post (which I omitted in my quotation) was accompanied by an eye witness statement of a UFO in the area. The "crop circle" matched the physical description of the dimensions of the UFO to within 5 meters. Other physical evidence was recorded.

Why would one automatically equate a story of a UFO landing in a corn field to the appearance of the pictographs that we know and love?

Hey Cheezit... Linda Moulton Howe is the grandmother of crop circle conspiracy theory. Read what I wrote a few posts above. Keeping crop circle CT alive is how she pays the bills.

[Cheezit]

Hey Cheezit... Linda Moulton Howe is the grandmother of crop circle conspiracy theory. Read what I wrote a few posts above. Keeping crop circle CT alive is how she pays the bills.
You may be right but she reports on some interesting stuff.

This is for those who are interested.
more links parts 1 2 3
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1553&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1554&category=Environment
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1562&category=Environment

[lala]

Thanks Cheezit :D . . . . this is one crop circle that interest me . . . will put pic on and link as quite large . . . . .they say the planet distance is to scale . . . .
www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/1999Paper.html (http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/1999Paper.html)

[attachment=0:1uavqybm]fig2a.jpg[/attachment:1uavqybm]

[Alessandra]

There is not and nor has there ever been one iota of evidence in any crop circle indicating extra-terrestrial origin.

Not one.

The entire argument for crop circles is that no one has ever seen anyone make them and most people are too stupid to figure out how to do it themselves.

I've never seen a ball-point pen being made by anyone but I have no illusions that the Bic on my desk was created by an E.T.

I'm just curious how many planting seasons we'll have to suffer through crop circle hysteria before everyone grows up and moves on.

40 years later Billy Meier is still gaining fans so perhaps I've got a bit of a wait ahead of me.

I didnt say it was extra-fucking-terrestrial. I fucking thought the circle was actually rather neat looking, and either way, I just wanted to comment on how nice it looked (regardless of the beak).

This is what I get for just posting stuff that I thought would be interesting. This is why Im not making any more threads.

[lala]

And I also do not beleive that the one posted is not man made, but I do beleive that there are crop circles that are unexplained and that they have evidence to prove that they were not and could not be made by man . . . . and the queensland event was just someone SEEING the evidence of what was left behind . . . a crop circle!!!! :mrgreen: . . . .and chi you disappoint me debate debate come on . . . .your'll have to listen to chopper . . . chopper reid. :wink:

[Cogburn]

Those actually have some nice images in there for some further debate.

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/U/UKMorgansTriangleStemsDown.jpg

Here's the text that accompanies that image.

[offsite=http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1554&category=Environment:x7axuuqm]And when I got to the formation, right away I could practically find no broken stems. It was amazing! In oilseed rape, I've never seen a formation that looked so perfect. It looked like a carpet of flowers. Everything was perfect! I'd say at least 95% of the flattened plants that I looked at had a perfect bend just above the ground and the plants are growing horizontal. It was pretty much consistent all over the formation.[/offsite:x7axuuqm]

Huh? I count no less than 6 bent or broken stems, all occurring at the soil line. That also happens to be over 70% of the stems that have a visible penetration into the soil line.

I suppose we're simply expected to read the text and look at the images and go "ooooooo" without actually validating one with the other.

There's also some clues in the text that gives some indication as to how these were generated.

[offsite=http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1554&category=Environment:x7axuuqm]CHARLES, WE'RE TALKING OILSEED RAPE, WHICH IS SO THICK AND FULL OF POLLEN AND IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AS BIG AS THIS IS, YOU WERE SEEING SO MANY STEMS THAT WERE LAID DOWN ON THE GROUND WITHOUT A CRUNCH OR A BREAK OR A CREASE.

That's right. I'd say about two-thirds of the plants in the formation that we looked at did not have breaking, crunching, creasing, crushing, snapping or ripped off flowers, which comes when people drag pieces of wood boards over those types of plants.[/offsite:x7axuuqm]

Now in this, the first documented incident, those plants are laying down, but their stalks are less developed than the stalks in the previous image. You can see the difference in stem damage if you compare the image above from the 2nd field with the image below with the 1st field.

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/U/UKSunburstMallett4lo.jpg

Now this formation is in a less substantial field of oilseed rape so the physical deformation of the stems is different. This would indicate that those who created the two patterns made no adjustments in their methodology between the fields.

I'm starting to wonder if, to borrow a phrase from anime, this isn't a "stand-alone complex". Individuals all inspired to create such artistic designs with the ingenuity and tools they have available. Even from browsing Howe's site you can see there are differences in the generation of the crop circles from crop-type to crop-type. This would indicate an knowledge of the physical characteristics of the crop and a methodology that best accommodates it.

Hey chii, you started a thread that lasted for 7 pages. Mission accomplished.

[Ducky]

I'm gonna tell you all something here.

Allesandra started up a GREAT thread.

A lot of folks have added their comments. Mine included.

I don't give a rat's arse if you liked what I had to say or not.

There's a LOT of intelligent AND superficial speculations going on. So be it.

What bothers me, is that NOBODY can give a VALID appraisal of what REALLY is. That's the whole bottom line in a nutshell.

I claimed that the crop circles are either manmade or otherwise. What the fuck is wrong in saying those words? It's JUST A STATEMENT. Is all. We KNOW that mankind can make wonderful sculptures, paintings, artwork, and otherwise. We KNOW that a crop circle can be made with human hands and certain materials.

Have these particular crop circles been made by human hands? Very distinct possibility. I'm not discluding that factor.

Let's not run our good members through the run of the mill over it. Why bother?

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Some are more educated than others. So be it. Have a little patience friends.

NOT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS YOU ARE.

For those who DO THINK THEY KNOW what and how these configurations came about, and for what purpose - present your info in the best way that you know how.

That's all I'm saying. Leave this precious info up to the discerning thoughts of others who may or may not have caught up with your intellect. Just DON'T BELITTLE people. That fuckin get's my goat.

Lord knows I'm on the chopping block with the stuff I bring up, but what fucking right do ANY of you have to degrade me or others for our opinions.

If all you think is that we're living in 'fantasy lands' then good fuckin grades for you. We're trying the best that we can to tell you a story too.

Where's your fuckin compasion and patience? Have you gotten so jaded?

Perhaps YOU were in the same boat as us.

There's a LOT of people in this world that won't even get the chance to type their thoughts and feelings about this subject.

CROP CIRCLES.

If they have any meaning, if they're really meant for the mathematically inclined, if they're just a manmade artistic form of conveyance, then they've made their mark; even if they have put solace in our hearts and minds.

They've made an impact with YOU and ME.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

You tell 'em Ducky! http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons%20pngs/okej.png

[boycotteverything]

(regardless of the beak).nose

[Alessandra]

LOL BE, Tomato, tomahto. :P

[boycotteverything]

You say either and I say eyether,
You say neither and I say nyther;
Either, eyether, neether, nyther,
Let's call the whole thing off!

You like potato and I like potaeto,
You like tomato and I like tomaeto;
Potato, potaeto, tomato, tomaeto!
Let's call the whole thing off!

But that crap aside- it's still a fucking nose.

[Alessandra]

lol.

[boycotteverything]

you can laugh now, Chii- but you started this big kerfuffle when you posted that damned picture of the big nosed pigeon and now we've all had a fucking nervous breakdown. i hope you're proud of yourself. byatch.

[Alessandra]

I am the pigeon herald. Bow before the pigeons. I witness them fight over territory at my workplace. It's actually kind of funny. Asshole Pigeons.

[boycotteverything]

And also- I notice you failed to mention this artifact found in the crop circle last week by my own investigators.

http://www.centurynovelty.com/catImages/116-093_large.jpg

[Alessandra]

those would look really good on you, BE.

[boycotteverything]

yeah, well they didn't look so hot on your pigeon.

[mojo]

This is why Im not making any more threads.

at least your threads get replies. :(

[Alessandra]

<3 mojo.

BE. The pigeon isnt that comical. Unlike yourself. Need a Cigar, Groucho?

[Ducky]

<3 mojo.

BE. The pigeon isnt that comical. Unlike yourself. Need a Cigar, Groucho?

Probably from the movie: "Day at the Races"

[WarlordZeroOne]

No " Duck-y Soup" :lol:

[Ducky]

No " Duck-y Soup" :lol:

Soup?

Surely you jest my good man.

[WarlordZeroOne]

Sure do,i think Alessandra should get a Badge for this crop circle posting,just look at all the replys. :)

[Ducky]

Sure do,i think Alessandra should get a Badge for this crop circle posting,just look at all the replys. :)

Smites are in progress!

[Ducky]

Did you read what I said on the previous page to this?

[Ducky]

And on that note....I'lll send you alll off to bed (in the western hemisphere)

With this favorite of mine:

"I'm just beginning to see...now I'm on my way"

f]bPLWBhNW3FMf]

[Alessandra]

I could post the 3 more recent circles, But I'm afraid I'd get boo'd off the forum

[Ducky]

I could post the 3 more recent circles, But I'm afraid I'd get boo'd off the forum

Perish the thought babes.

It's YOUR thread.

Go with it HOW you will honey bear. lololol

[Alessandra]

lol

[Alessandra]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/southfield/SouthField03_OH.jpg

[Alessandra]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/waylandsmithy2/Outlook1.jpg They suspect this is a hoax.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/milkhill2/stanton2LS05OH.jpg This looks horribly done. Gotta give this to some horribad 'artists'. Man, cant even get their lines straight.

[Ducky]

"It doesn't matter to me...chasing the clouds away."

I'm heading to La La land.....

Have a great nite...to all concerned.

Sleepies for Ducky.

BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.....

(Hope I have a 1/2 decent REM.)

I leave you with this song:

b]ddmJzwm6NYIb]

[rasobasi420]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/waylandsmithy2/Outlook1.jpg They suspect this is a hoax.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/milkhill2/stanton2LS05OH.jpg This looks horribly done. Gotta give this to some horribad 'artists'. Man, cant even get their lines straight.



Boooo-urns!

[skunk]

They were all created by the greys, why are we even debating the facts?

[Alessandra]

good god, here we go again :lol:

[boycotteverything]

oh shit. here comes my heartburn.

[Cheezit]

How to make a crop circle.

g]L7iOf5-D3zkg]
g]pEAQ-d07HlEg]

[Cheezit]

The phoenix has made it to youtube.

New, upclose pics at 2:40 in the video.
v]bwUBx8MLq-Mv]

[Alessandra]

if thats a rickroll..

[Cheezit]

if thats a rickroll..
:lol: no, not really

[Lexion]

Bump for the big-nosed pigeon.